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Switzerland is voting on Sunday on whether to ban "full facial coverings" in public places.

The vote comes after years of debate, following similar bans in other European countries, such as France, Belgium and the Netherlands.

Switzerland operates a system of direct democracy that has allowed the vote to go ahead. Any topic can be put to a national vote as long as it gathers 100,000 signatures in the country of 8.6 million people.

Polls indicate a slim majority supports the move.

What the ban would mean

Under the proposal, nobody would be allowed to cover their face completely in public — whether in shops or the open countryside.

There would be exceptions, including places of worship.

The proposal does not specifically mention the burqa or the niqab — which leaves the eyes uncovered — but it is clear that the ban is targeting the Islamic face veils worn by some Muslim women.

Two Swiss regions already have such bans.

Who supports the ban?

The Swiss People's Party — a populist, right-wing party that is the leading faction in parliament — has strongly backed the measure.

One of its campaign posters shows a caricatured image of the scowling eyes of a woman in a niqab above the words: "Stop Islamic Radicalism."

A Swiss national flag flies behind a poster against wearing the burqa. It features a scowling caricatured woman's face with veil and has the text Stop extremism!

Jean-Luc Addor from the party said that "fortunately" there are not many burqa-wearing women in Switzerland. He stressed that "when a problem exists, we deal with it before it gets out of control."

Who is against the ban?

The government and parliament oppose a nationwide ban.

Their counter-proposal would require people to show their faces to the authorities if necessary for identification, for example at borders.

This will be automatically triggered if the initiative is rejected.

Posters against the ban read: "No to an absurd, useless and Islamophobic 'anti-burqa' law."

Most Islamic scholars agree that the hijab, which covers the head and neck, and comes in any number of shapes and colors, must be worn by Muslim women. American teen Hannah Schraim is seen wearing one here while playing with her brother.

"Besides being useless, this text [for the proposal] is racist and sexist," said Ines El-Shikh, spokeswoman for the Purple Headscarves feminist Muslim women's group.

She told news agency AFP that the proposed law created the impression of a problem, but "there are only 30 women in burqas in Switzerland."

A 2019 Federal Statistical Office survey found that 5.5% of the Swiss population were Muslims, mostly with roots in the former Yugoslavia. Most of these would not choose to wear a full-face veil.

Initial results expected soon
Most votes have been cast in advance of the referendum, but polling stations are open for a few hours on Sunday.

Polling will close at midday (1100 UTC), with initial results expected by early afternoon.

To pass, initiatives require support from a majority of voters nationwide, and from a majority of federal Switzerland's 26 cantons, six of which count as half-cantons in votes.

kmm/mm (AP, AFP)

https://www.dw.com/en/switzerland-votes-on-muslim-burqa-ban/a-56797836
 
I think this ruling is probably outdated by now with the onslaught of the cornonavirus. Face covering is now actually encouraged, burqa wearing should probably be recommended behaviour for all in public places.
 
I thought they had already done this around 15 years ago...maybe I'm getting it mixed up with the minaret ban.
 
If it isn't targeting the niqab, then I think it may be targeting the veil/burqa worn typically in Afghanistan, which covers the face with a mesh so the face is completely obscured. As long as they're not banning the hijab (and perhaps even niqab- though it may be banned in certain situations), I have no issue as it doesn't infringe on religious freedom.
 
Yes please ban the niqaab because they is the biggest threat to Europe and Switzerland right now since maybe hitler.
European countries actually want to ban Muslims, but instead opted for this. No viable reason given except them saying it is “opressiom”. Poor nuns of Europe are being oppressed for 2000+ years then.
 
Yes please ban the niqaab because they is the biggest threat to Europe and Switzerland right now since maybe hitler.
European countries actually want to ban Muslims, but instead opted for this. No viable reason given except them saying it is “opressiom”. Poor nuns of Europe are being oppressed for 2000+ years then.

whatever happened to freedom of religion?

but you made a good point: can they wear a burqa as long as the face shows? is that the deal here or what?
 
whatever happened to freedom of religion?

but you made a good point: can they wear a burqa as long as the face shows? is that the deal here or what?

Well, it is not about Burqa, it is about oppression of minority culture, especially that of Muslims.
Switzerland is guilty in stashing billions and billions of laundered money of crooks in the 3rd world countries. Now they go a step further by banning the cultural traditions of their minority who probably were victims of those crooks who have laundered money in their banks.
 
If it isn't targeting the niqab, then I think it may be targeting the veil/burqa worn typically in Afghanistan, which covers the face with a mesh so the face is completely obscured. As long as they're not banning the hijab (and perhaps even niqab- though it may be banned in certain situations), I have no issue as it doesn't infringe on religious freedom.

Its not up to any athiests or anyone for that matter to decide what is important to someones religion.

The law is idiotic at best with face coverings to be around for years to come. So a woman will be stopped ,asked to remove her niqab because she is breaking the law, only to be forced to wear a mask because otherwise she is breaking the law again. Yet both do the same job. Some Europeans have become the clowns of the world.
 
Intriguing how the UK is often the country accused of sleepwalking into socially conservative neofascism, but a law such as this would never get passed here. Whereas some of these mainland European countries such as France, Belgium, Austria and Switzerland, not to mention Poland and Bulgaria, actually are very right wing.
 
Intriguing how the UK is often the country accused of sleepwalking into socially conservative neofascism, but a law such as this would never get passed here. Whereas some of these mainland European countries such as France, Belgium, Austria and Switzerland, not to mention Poland and Bulgaria, actually are very right wing.

Swiss use a referendum to decide a lot of matters inc this one. It might sound great but is a stupid idea as many may not be educated and most in Europe are brainwashed to a high degree with the War of terror for the last 20 years.

If the UK gave a referendum on the same law, I suspect the law would also pass. But yes I agree overall the UK gives minorities more freedom than any other western nation.
 
Swiss use a referendum to decide a lot of matters inc this one. It might sound great but is a stupid idea as many may not be educated and most in Europe are brainwashed to a high degree with the War of terror for the last 20 years.

If the UK gave a referendum on the same law, I suspect the law would also pass. But yes I agree overall the UK gives minorities more freedom than any other western nation.

Stupid law and a stupid decison. However i wonder what some conservatives have to say about the samne rules in sauidi, iran and to some degree some other muslims countires like pakistan
 
Swiss government must have nothing to do to keep themselves busy, they passed a law when only 30 women are wearing a burka.
 
LEt women be
don't interfere in people's private life, it's not your job

advise for Saudi, Iran, France, Switzerland...
 
Stupid law and a stupid decison. However i wonder what some conservatives have to say about the samne rules in sauidi, iran and to some degree some other muslims countires like pakistan

Good point.
 
Intriguing how the UK is often the country accused of sleepwalking into socially conservative neofascism, but a law such as this would never get passed here. Whereas some of these mainland European countries such as France, Belgium, Austria and Switzerland, not to mention Poland and Bulgaria, actually are very right wing.

Most are more left wing than us. But this move is authoritarian rather than right win, according to the 2D model I favour.
 
less than 1% of the population wears it, seems like a pointless law.
 
The Swiss are world renowned crooks, what did you expect from them.
 
Their country, their laws. I have no issue with it.
Those who live in Switzerland and support/wear full Niqab have a choice to oppose this vote thru legal channels or move out of the country if they don’t wish to follow the law or keep paying fines if they want to.
In Islamic doctrine, a Muslim is obligated to obey law of the land.

Whats ironic is that,
Will they also ask their banks to refuse 100 and billions dollars worth of deposits coming in from counties where females (even a small minority) wears niqab because the Swiss believe that it’s oppression and radicalism?
Are the Swiss also force their banks to return all the money thats sitting in Swiss banks to the Intl account holders that belong to such countries where women wear niqab? lol not in a million years.
 
Its not up to any athiests or anyone for that matter to decide what is important to someones religion.

The law is idiotic at best with face coverings to be around for years to come. So a woman will be stopped ,asked to remove her niqab because she is breaking the law, only to be forced to wear a mask because otherwise she is breaking the law again. Yet both do the same job. Some Europeans have become the clowns of the world.

I mean, it's only justifiable if they don't want the 'mesh' burqa due to security reasons. There are quite a few instances when full-face coverings aren't appropriate, and because covering your face fully isn't necessary, it isn't infringing on religious freedom. I think the niqab shouldn't be banned (but it will need to be removed in certain situations), but the 'mesh' burqa can be.

However if they're banning it just for the sake of it, and not for security reasons, then I don't support it, as it is taking freedom away without justifiable cause.
 
Their country, their laws. I have no issue with it.
Those who live in Switzerland and support/wear full Niqab have a choice to oppose this vote thru legal channels or move out of the country if they don’t wish to follow the law or keep paying fines if they want to.
In Islamic doctrine, a Muslim is obligated to obey law of the land.

Whats ironic is that,
Will they also ask their banks to refuse 100 and billions dollars worth of deposits coming in from counties where females (even a small minority) wears niqab because the Swiss believe that it’s oppression and radicalism?
Are the Swiss also force their banks to return all the money thats sitting in Swiss banks to the Intl account holders that belong to such countries where women wear niqab? lol not in a million years.

Agreed.

Just like blasphemy law in PK.

Our country our law, anyone doesn’t agree can leave.
 
How is this news? Switzerland are by far one of the most racist and facist nations in Europe. They built their economic empire through the Nazis and by keeping secrets.

This isn't news, it's reality, Europe is the most racist and facists continent in the world.

And to think the left would wipe out traces of racism/facism in Europe.
 
Agreed.

Just like blasphemy law in PK.

Our country our law, anyone doesn’t agree can leave.

Blasphemy law in Pakistan is not the topic here and neither do I have a problem with it,

However it does need reforms.
1 - First, there should be extremely hard punishments introduced for those who abuse this law by laying false accusations on anyone.

2 - When you talk about “Anyone who doesn’t agree with law should leave”,
This is an even more sarcastic one. If that actually happened then quite a bit of Pakistan will be empty.

Many of these chest thumping “Aashiqaan” are the ones who don’t agree with the blasphemy law.
When someone is seen committing blasphemy, the law states to report it to the Authorities. But when you see the general public start slapping, kicking and physically attacking the accused then you are breaking the law, and you should either face punishment or move out of the country, if you plan to disobey the law.
 
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