T20 World Cup India - win the toss and chase?

[Amjid Javed]

It seems like batting 2nd is a huge advantage in T20s played in india in the last 2 years. A total of 16 games have been played with team chasing winning on 12 occasions, 3 wins for team batting 1st and 1 NR.

15 out of the 16 tosses the team winning toss has decided to chase.

The average batting 1st inns score has been:- 165

Why are teams batting 1st struggling to put runs on the board?
why are teams chasing finding it so easy to reach targets?

Weve even recently seen domestically in PSL teams are chasing totals down with ease all the time in asia conditions.

So come the world cup in india is the toss and chasing going to be a huge advantage?

 

[JaDed]

Similar to most odi wc? I think in LOI generally it has become the norm..

 

[Hasan123]

Seems as though dew is a big factor. Maybe to take it out of the game the best thing is to play during the day.

 

[Indiafan]

This is not just in india, chasing gives a huge advantage in t20 anywhere. Also india and Pakistan are not good at setting scores in t20

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

This is not just in india, chasing gives a huge advantage in t20 anywhere. Also india and Pakistan are not good at setting scores in t20

Surprised to see India only averaging 161. I would have expected them to be at least 175+.

Not surprised with Pakistan's 1st innings score. But we do successfully defend anything above 160 with ease.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Seems as though dew is a big factor. Maybe to take it out of the game the best thing is to play during the day.

Dew and wet ball is then difficult for spinners and no reverse swing for pacers.

 

[ChTab]

I know it would look odd but we should play all the matches in the WC's(T20 & 50 overs) during the daytime to eliminate the dew factor, you can play normal T20's during the night but never have the WC games as D/N.

 

[Hasan123]

Dew and wet ball is then difficult for spinners and no reverse swing for pacers.

Yes very unfair. Games should be day if possible to remove dew factor.

 

[JattMaula]

This is not just in india, chasing gives a huge advantage in t20 anywhere. Also india and Pakistan are not good at setting scores in t20

India have been guilty of 'lack of intent'. Our top three have played ODI game in t20 clothes for far too long.

 

[King_Kohli]

India have been guilty of 'lack of intent'. Our top three have played ODI game in t20 clothes for far too long.

That's why we need different jersey in T20 format.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Dew remains a major factor, and it will throughout the T20 World Cup.

However, it will be interesting to see what ICC does. They are supposed to market this world cup, and we know how greedy for money they are, so it wouldn't be a surprise to see them play games in the day time.

 

[WengerOut]

India have been guilty of 'lack of intent'. Our top three have played ODI game in t20 clothes for far too long.

Lack of intent was because of the longer tail. 2 wrist spinners and 2 fast bowlers with batting ability of zilch.

 

[JattMaula]

Lack of intent was because of the longer tail. 2 wrist spinners and 2 fast bowlers with batting ability of zilch.

That's fine to a point. But we regularly finished 180-2 type scores on flat pitches. When it became apparent the type of pitch and par score we still used to push accelerater too late.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

A team like Pakistan would certainly need to win the toss to win matches against the bigger sides. I cant see the likes of Haris Rauf defend any total in these conditions against top international sides at full strength.

 

[Babeikh]

Haris Rauf probably wouldn't on his own but Shaheen, Hasan, Qadir etc could.

Anyway this is clearly an issue. What are the solutions?

1. The most obvious solution is to play day games and not day-night games when the dew will come in. This is probably the best solution but I imagine the TV companies, advertisers etc will moan about not getting prime time viewing so ICC will not do this. They will have day-night games at the World Cup.

2. I remember in the Mohali SF in 2011 they put something on the grass to mitigate the dew? I may be imagining this but I am pretty sure they did something and there was no dew in the second innings. Does anyone remember?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Interesting to see if teams start being reluctant to pick to many spin bowlers in team in these D/N games as they seem to struggle most with the wet ball.

 

[Justcrazy]

Teams are not playing their best bowlers , they want depth in batting. I personally feel you need bowling capable of bowling 20 overs , pick good bowlers , it is usually bowlers who can win games.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Teams are not playing their best bowlers , they want depth in batting. I personally feel you need bowling capable of bowling 20 overs , pick good bowlers , it is usually bowlers who can win games.

The teams with the most competent bowlers tend to be the most consitant ones in T20 world cups. You need to pick up wickets in PP and also now in between overs 6-15. Teams cant just go through the motions.

I think packing side with loads of batsmen and just thinking that will win you games will also cost a side eventually.

 

[Justcrazy]

The teams with the most competent bowlers tend to be the most consitant ones in T20 world cups. You need to pick up wickets in PP and also now in between overs 6-15. Teams cant just go through the motions.

I think packing side with loads of batsmen and just thinking that will win you games will also cost a side eventually.

Specialist bowlers are key to win 20 20 . Even a slogger can slog a few runs towards the end. Moreover if you have six batsman ( including keeper ) , that is enough to bat at least 100 balls . Tail can hit some lusty blows in last 20 balls .

If one batsman sets he can alone play 25 - 30 balls.

The key is not to give super big overs like 20 - 25 off one over by bowling part time all rounders . That can hurt in the game. A couple of such overs and you are chasing 200 instead of 170 - 175 , that makes huge difference

 

[Amjid Javed]

Specialist bowlers are key to win 20 20 . Even a slogger can slog a few runs towards the end. Moreover if you have six batsman ( including keeper ) , that is enough to bat at least 100 balls . Tail can hit some lusty blows in last 20 balls .

If one batsman sets he can alone play 25 - 30 balls.

The key is not to give super big overs like 20 - 25 off one over by bowling part time all rounders . That can hurt in the game. A couple of such overs and you are chasing 200 instead of 170 - 175 , that makes huge difference

Agreed that 6 batsmen including keeper should be enough to get you runs. Usually a late order all rounder can do your power hitting.

I think in indian conditions any team which doesnt have 5 decent bowlers in team will struggle. Indeed part time lolly pop overs are likely to cost you a game.

 

[Varun]

I heard chasing teams won nearly every game in the PSL this year.

I'm starting to fear the worst for the India v Pakistan game if you guys win the toss now.

 

[rhony]

Surprised to see India only averaging 161. I would have expected them to be at least 175+.

Not surprised with Pakistan's 1st innings score. But we do successfully defend anything above 160 with ease.

Most surprising is West Indies, a gun team setting an avg score of 138 batting first.

 

[Buffet]

Batting second is mostly easier and it gets even better if dew is present.

 

[Buffet]

Now, Eng may not be able to chase such a huge total, but average scores are much easier to chase when batting second with dew present.

 

[Rajdeep]

India won the last 2 game batting 1st. Though I agree chasing is easier under lights but it does not gurantee a win.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Looks like pretty much if you get 180+ then its a total that can be defended. Once again spinners under lights are struggling with a wet ball.