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Talent Spotter : Hasan Ali

Much better bowling option then the likes of Umar Gul, who's past it for ages now. Hopefully is given time/games to settle into the the squad + his a decent fielder as well. Just needs to work on his variations and his batting needs improvement from what I saw today.
 
Highly skilled. Right handed Amir basically. He's a bit slower because the front leg doesn't brace, but that's a problem that can be corrected.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Highly skilled. Right handed Amir basically. He's a bit slower because the front leg doesn't brace, but that's a problem that can be corrected.
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Brother, he was consistently bowling in the 86-88mph range which translates to about 140 kph. He only needs to add 5 kph and he will be in the "express" range.
 
Syed1 said:
Brother, he was consistently bowling in the 86-88mph range which translates to about 140 kph. He only needs to add 5 kph and he will be in the "express" range.
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Brother, I know fully well what pace he bowled at and what he's capable of. I don't need speed guns to judge.
 
Needs to work on his death bowling, I've noticed since the LOI leg of the A tour he bowls his first 5 economically- normally with figures of 1-20 and ends with figures of 1-60. Otherwise a gem of a bowler.
 
Amazing prospect. Should be a permanent member of our ODI 11. Needs to add some muscle mass though he looks like a borderline anorexic
 
I was impressed with him overall. He may not swing the ball but he does get purchase off the wicket.

He looks a skiddy type bowler but has good control and his speed was decent.

He deserves a long run in the team now and should be backed. Def already better than the finished Gul.
 
Ellipsism said:
Needs to work on his death bowling, I've noticed since the LOI leg of the A tour he bowls his first 5 economically- normally with figures of 1-20 and ends with figures of 1-60. Otherwise a gem of a bowler.
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Than he needs to b e given a 6 over spell and probably a 2-3 over spell in the middle overs... And max 1-2 over for the last 10. Amir n Wahab are our first priority death bowlers anyway...
 
highly impressive today

hopefully he's here to stay- maybe the most promising pacer to debut since Amir. Hopefully he doesn't go down the trundler route
 
Syed1 said:
Brother, he was consistently bowling in the 86-88mph range which translates to about 140 kph. He only needs to add 5 kph and he will be in the "express" range.
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Chief Destroyer said:
Brother, I know fully well what pace he bowled at and what he's capable of. I don't need speed guns to judge.
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Great part is that he's young. If he's guided properly wrt nutrition, weight training and other technical aspects like you pointed out he can definitely add another 5 kph.
 
Looked very good to me. And good attitude. Kept coming back. He's a keeper.
 
Mashaallah very impressive. Don't worry Bout the figures. This guy has got some tools and there was no swing today and he can do that too
 
90MPH said:
I was impressed with him overall. He may not swing the ball but he does get purchase off the wicket.

He looks a skiddy type bowler but has good control and his speed was decent.

He deserves a long run in the team now and should be backed. Def already better than the finished Gul.
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He swings the ball both ways. The white kooka doesn't swing much in England.
 
He bowled very well today. I had high expectation from him, but they are dialed down after seeing him in person, he is too short for a world class fast bowler. That's not his fault but a harsh reality. He is already grown up, it's not like that he can add few inches.

But he can be developed into a good allrounder, has very good attitude, keep coming after them, squared up Root couple of time.


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It's a cultural problem that all you Pakistanis want a Dale Steyn and not a bowling all-rounder like Ben Stokes or even Vern Philander.

But Hasan Ali is even shorter than Dale Steyn. There is no reliable length for such a short bowler to bowl with an old ball or on a flat wicket, no matter how fast you are or skilled you are.

That's why 5 foot 9 quick bowlers NEVER make it. It's impossible - and someone should have told Hasan Ali years ago.

But he could make it as a skilled but handicapped - by shortness - fourth quick (or third in Asia) who can reliably bat at Number 7 and average 40.

At his height, it's his only hope.
 
A Test or ODI team can only carry two players (at 10 and 11) who are in the team for their bowling alone. For the next few years they are Mohammad Amir and Yasir Shah.

But between the keeper and bowlers they need:

A number 6 averaging 45 with the bat.

A number 7 averaging 40.

A number 8 averaging 30, who is a quality bowler.

A number 9 averaging 25, who is a very high quality bowler.

For Hasan Ali, the target should be that Number 7 slot. He isn't tall enough to ever be the Number 8 or 9.
 
Junaids said:
A Test or ODI team can only carry two players (at 10 and 11) who are in the team for their bowling alone. For the next few years they are Mohammad Amir and Yasir Shah.

But between the keeper and bowlers they need:

A number 6 averaging 45 with the bat.

A number 7 averaging 40.

A number 8 averaging 30, who is a quality bowler.

A number 9 averaging 25, who is a very high quality bowler.

For Hasan Ali, the target should be that Number 7 slot. He isn't tall enough to ever be the Number 8 or 9.
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In principle you're right.

However, what lineup in the world had such players? :P Or even 'have'...

There are some isolated cases, but even they can't perform in all conditions. Only a few or home.
 
Hawkeye said:
In principle you're right.

However, what lineup in the world had such players? :P Or even 'have'...

There are some isolated cases, but even they can't perform in all conditions. Only a few or home.
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This is how I see England's batting averages these next few years:

6 Bairstow (wk) 45
7 Stokes (4th quick) 45
8 Moeen (spinner) 40
9 Woakes (3rd quick) 35
10 Broad (2nd quick) 20

That's what you are competing against.

And while I think Hasan Ali is too short to be the 1/2/3 quick, if he works really hard on his batting the Stokes / Watson / Mitch Marsh role is a possibility.
 
Junaids said:
This is how I see England's batting averages these next few years:

6 Bairstow (wk) 45
7 Stokes (4th quick) 45
8 Moeen (spinner) 40
9 Woakes (3rd quick) 35
10 Broad (2nd quick) 20

That's what you are competing against.

And while I think Hasan Ali is too short to be the 1/2/3 quick, if he works really hard on his batting the Stokes / Watson / Mitch Marsh role is a possibility.
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At least the lack of logic is consistent. Stokes is as likely to double his current average of 22.48 in ODIs in the next 5 years, as Hasan Ali is to go from a FC average of 16.31 to 40 in international cricket by dint of hard work and practice.

To elaborate, by "as likely" I mean a probability of 0.
 
cricketpatzer said:
At least the lack of logic is consistent. Stokes is as likely to double his current average of 22.48 in ODIs in the next 5 years, as Hasan Ali is to go from a FC average of 16.31 to 40 in international cricket by dint of hard work and practice.

To elaborate, by "as likely" I mean a probability of 0.
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This.

Also:

Lasith Malinga
 
New Yorker said:
This.

Also:

Lasith Malinga
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101 Test wickets @33! Who needs that?

If Hasan Ali is going to be a specialist bowler, he is competing directly against Mohammad Amir for one "fast bowler who can't bat" position.

A battle a 5'9 quick ain't going to win.

Concentrate on your batting son!
 
cricketpatzer said:
At least the lack of logic is consistent. Stokes is as likely to double his current average of 22.48 in ODIs in the next 5 years, as Hasan Ali is to go from a FC average of 16.31 to 40 in international cricket by dint of hard work and practice.

To elaborate, by "as likely" I mean a probability of 0.
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Logic is the last thing you expect from Junaids uncle. Just read and ignore, that is the philosophy I follow.
 
Junaids said:
101 Test wickets @33! Who needs that?

If Hasan Ali is going to be a specialist bowler, he is competing directly against Mohammad Amir for one "fast bowler who can't bat" position.

A battle a 5'9 quick ain't going to win.

Concentrate on your batting son!
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The technique for his slogs looked good though. Management trusts hi to bat at 8. Hopefully he can move up to 7 with a couple of good scores.
 
Damn I failed to realize that this guy is from the Sialkot region as well.

Sialkot really has been producing top notch cricketers off-late. PCB should investigate what the regional association is doing and try to implement that all over the country. But alas, PCB is run more like a ad hoc kasai shop then a well-oiled organization.
 
I do not rate this guy. He is in the same mediocre category as Cheema, Anwar, and Rahat. Off course, anyone is better than Gul.

He is an average bowler at best!
 
This guy looks good. Didn't see much of him with the bat but you can clearly see he has a sound technique of a regular batsmen.
If he bowls +85mph then that alone gets him in the side ahead of Gul and Janaid.
I think this guy can restore some balance missing from the side. The top sides Pak have had have included 2 very good all rounders. Let's give him the rest of the series to show what he can really do
 
Was really impressed by this guy, I think this fast bowling unit should be persisted with, Amir, Hasan, Wahab.
 
Junaids said:
It's a cultural problem that all you Pakistanis want a Dale Steyn and not a bowling all-rounder like Ben Stokes or even Vern Philander.

But Hasan Ali is even shorter than Dale Steyn. There is no reliable length for such a short bowler to bowl with an old ball or on a flat wicket, no matter how fast you are or skilled you are.

That's why 5 foot 9 quick bowlers NEVER make it. It's impossible - and someone should have told Hasan Ali years ago.

But he could make it as a skilled but handicapped - by shortness - fourth quick (or third in Asia) who can reliably bat at Number 7 and average 40.

At his height, it's his only hope.
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Shami and B.Kumar are both 5feet 9
 
He was a lot better than what his stats suggested, he beat the bat a lot of the time and did pick up a wicket. I think he can become a good bowler for us and hopefully adds a bit more muscle to his body, he looks so tiny.
 
Guys thinking he's lik rao anjum...pls guys...did u even see his full spell?

He bowled really well apart from 3 wider deliveries to Root and 2 leg side deliveries to Stokes..


So all together he bowled just 6 bad deliveries at max in 60 balls..

Also let me tel u HE BEAT T BAT MUCH MORE THAN AMIR....And still u say he's mediocre looking at his stats...

As I said he bowled 5 bad balls in tat he gave 20 runs off 5 4's..Still dis s a learning for him...

As soon as he bowled wide to root...he then recovered and bowled some good deleiveris and beat t bat of root..as soon as he bowled on leg side to stokes and gave boundaries he recovered next ball and bowled perfect line, which nipped back and got wicket of stokes...

Am not telling he's next steyn..but jus one match...against worlds best team...opening t bowling...and u say he's mediocre..by looking at his stats...oh c'mon

If u still consider him to be mediocre den ur cricketing knowledge can be judged
 
Unless he is Malcolm Marshall or chaminda vass

There is no other history of short bowlers making it at the top level

U need a good height to be a fast bowler

Another cheema /shahid nazir type in the making
 
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He got 1-52.

That's why short fast bowlers 5'9 and below NEVER make the grade. There's no safe length they can hit to dry up the runs once the ball loses its shine.

Even Steyn is 1.5 inches taller and Harris and Marshall were 2.5 inches taller. And they are the shortest fast bowlers to succeed in the last 75 years.

He's skilful and quick enough. But he's 6 inches too short. His only hope of a career is to be an all-rounder. He can't make it as a pure bowler.
 
Junaids said:
He got 1-52.

That's why short fast bowlers 5'9 and below NEVER make the grade. There's no safe length they can hit to dry up the runs once the ball loses its shine.

Even Steyn is 1.5 inches taller and Harris and Marshall were 2.5 inches taller. And they are the shortest fast bowlers to succeed in the last 75 years.

He's skilful and quick enough. But he's 6 inches too short. His only hope of a career is to be an all-rounder. He can't make it as a pure bowler.
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stats aren't everything. He bowled well. He bowled a beauty to Stokes that went for 4 but Stokes knew nothing about it
 
Will be thoroughly ****** off if this guy doesn't get an 8 game run in the team.
He bowled some good stuff and had the bottle to bowl a great delivery of the free hit.
People's expectations for some1 on debut are stupidlying ridiculous
 
A lot of people are forgetting this guy can bat too. Ok he didn't last long but the signs of a proper batsmen were there.
He also has gas. Did you see the ball that got Ben stokes in trouble. He's slippery and combined with Amir, Riaz and Irfan it makes Pak quick bowling look dangerous
 
savecricket said:
A lot of people are forgetting this guy can bat too. Ok he didn't last long but the signs of a proper batsmen were there.
He also has gas. Did you see the ball that got Ben stokes in trouble. He's slippery and combined with Amir, Riaz and Irfan it makes Pak quick bowling look dangerous
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His batting is crucial and could make him a very fine player indeed.

Hasan Ali's lack of height means that he will average over 40 with the ball in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa unless he gets lots of pink ball Tests.

But he could easily have the career that Azhar Mahmood should have had: batting at Number 7 in Tests for a decade and being the third quick in Asia and the fourth quick outside Asia, as follows........

80 Tests
5 hundreds, 20 fifties, 5000 runs @ 40.00
260 wickets @ 37.00

That would be a very fine career.
 
Junaids said:
101 Test wickets @33! Who needs that?

If Hasan Ali is going to be a specialist bowler, he is competing directly against Mohammad Amir for one "fast bowler who can't bat" position.

A battle a 5'9 quick ain't going to win.

Concentrate on your batting son!
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Hahaha nice try :D So we were only talking about Tests were we? "Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View PostA Test or ODI team can only carry two players...

The world's top ranked ODI bowler for some time if I recall. And certainly good enough to be selected as a bowler alone.
 
Expensive... But then again looks like a road, add to that the amount of runs we give away in the field. Decent start today.
 
If this guy is the next big thing for us then future of Pakistan fast bowling is screwed
 
Don't think hes got a future, hes got heart but hes too short and will always be skiddy and expensive
 
endymion248 said:
Can be a useful support bowler in tests.
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Not test level

Unless he is a 30+ averaging test batsman then only can he be test level.

Bowling is ok but nothing to write home about
 
Slog said:
Not test level

Unless he is a 30+ averaging test batsman then only can he be test level.

Bowling is ok but nothing to write home about
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Not everyone has to be a wicket taker. You also need someone to tie up an end. Hasan Ali can do that.
 
He has genuinely bowled some good stuff and has tried to mix it up.
A good head on his shoulders. I dont care what the figures say but he has bowled about a million times better than wahab today up to now
 
It's a 350 pitch but our clueless pp expert have written him off while he is only fast bowler who is looking threatening.
 
endymion248 said:
Not everyone has to be a wicket taker. You also need someone to tie up an end. Hasan Ali can do that.
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in Tests???

If you do play someone to tie an end it almost always will be a spnner because they can bowl long spells of 20 odd overs allowng you to attack from other end. cant expect a pacer (and ok at best at that) to be playing that role

wish we had someone with the bowling ability of Hasan Ali and batting ability of Imad wasim. they could have a role in the side

in tests the only one i see who can maybe play a/r role in Nawaz.

i feel he is oonly slightly below asghar and on par with Zulfiqar babar (and likely to surpass him) and can also average 25-30 with the bat

but maybe for NZ, Aus tours that may not work
 
Abdullah said:
Bowling decent this over again and keeping new batsman honest
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He should look for another career our pp expert have written him off. While the commentators are impressed buy hey what do they know about cricket.
 
The only quickie today getting reverse swing. I know he's been hit for 6-and-over plus but he's bowled pretty well.
 
Slog said:
in Tests???

If you do play someone to tie an end it almost always will be a spnner because they can bowl long spells of 20 odd overs allowng you to attack from other end. cant expect a pacer (and ok at best at that) to be playing that role

wish we had someone with the bowling ability of Hasan Ali and batting ability of Imad wasim. they could have a role in the side

in tests the only one i see who can maybe play a/r role in Nawaz.

i feel he is oonly slightly below asghar and on par with Zulfiqar babar (and likely to surpass him) and can also average 25-30 with the bat

but maybe for NZ, Aus tours that may not work
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But Hasan is fast medium so he should be able to bowl longer spells and keep it tight with an off-side line.

Agreed on Nawaz.
 
endymion248 said:
But Hasan is fast medium so he should be able to bowl longer spells and keep it tight with an off-side line.

Agreed on Nawaz.
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He's pretty slow in his 2nd and 3rd spells. Anyways agree to disagree.
 
Slog said:
He's pretty slow in his 2nd and 3rd spells. Anyways agree to disagree.
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Yeah that's something worrying. He goes from 85 mph to 80 mph. A bit like Sohail Khan. These guys aren't express yet tire easily.
 
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