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Full name : Mohammad Abbas

Born : March 10, 1990, Sialkot, Punjab

Current age : 25 years

Major teams : KRL, Pakistan Television, Sialkot, Sialkot Stallions, Sialkot Under-19s

Batting style : Right-hand bat

Bowling style : Right-arm fast


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Getting into Cricket and struggle to earn a living

Like most children, I used to watch cricket on TV and I also started playing cricket in my village using tape ball. I guess it was the same as how Sohail Tanvir started his career but regardless, I started to play in the streets and local fields when I was twelve years old. I did play for my school but I was always afraid that the teachers will not be happy with me taking interest in sports but that thankfully was not the case as they encouraged me to play cricket. Even my parents and other acquaintances were very sceptical about cricket as a career but eventually they came around to my point of view.

However, there are still people in my village who question why I play cricket and get very surprised when I say I have chosen that as my profession. Let me also thank the Almighty as I have never bothered my parents for any financial support; in fact I took on a job on the side to help my parents. It was tough juggling work and my love for the game, where the employers would sometimes ask me why I was late for work as I was playing cricket.


Club Cricket, Under 19 and First-Class cricket

One of my friends suggested to me that because my action was good, I should go to Sialkot city and play club cricket. Everyone seemed very impressed by my bowling and I started playing club cricket from 2006 onwards with various clubs but then ended up with V.i.p Cricket Club which boasts the likes of Shahid Yousuf, Raza Hasan, Mansoor Amjad in their line-up. I then played district Under 19 and had good success at that level. I was the top wicket-taker in Inter-Region Under 19 Tournament 2008/09 with forty-two wickets in the 3 day games.

Unfortunately, I did not find a place in the Pakistan Under 19 team but that did not discourage me to continue working hard. I then progressed to play First-Class cricket for Sialkot (2008/09-2012/13), Pakistan Television (2014/15) and then onto Khan Research Laboratories (KRL) (2015/16). I also played Grade II cricket for Pakistan Television and in PCB Patron's Trophy (Grade II) 2012/13 semi-final and final, I took twenty-one wickets in total which was very satisfying. My current performance in the 2015/2016 Quaid-e-Azam speaks volumes about my progress as in eight matches so far, I have 52 wickets. This puts my total First-Class tally on 146 wickets in just 45 matches.


Mentors and Good Advice received

At the Under 19 level, Shahid Anwar was my coach and he motivated me to perform better and to work harder towards my goals. Mansoor Amjad also played a key role in my development, however, I would like to make a special mention of a good friend of mine, Ali Raza. He came into the picture at a time when I was seriously contemplating leaving the country for a better life in Europe. He looked at my profile and told me to stick it out and pursue the game I love in my own country.

In my current team KRL, I am always receiving great advice from Saeed Anwar Junior as well as from Mohammad Irfan and Rahat Ali. I must say that all the international players I have played with put in the same effort during domestic games that they put in international level which is a real source of inspiration for us junior players.


The step up to First-Class cricket

I found the jump from Under 19 to First-Class to be a huge challenge but one that I really enjoyed. The difference in quality has been significant and the chances of playing against mature top quality players is an amazing opportunity which I have really enjoyed.


Most satisfying performance so far

To me taking wickets is my job and each one is as important as the other as they help my team to a better position in any game. In terms of most memorable spells, I would say that my bowling against FATA in the recent Quaid-e-Azam trophy where we came from behind to beat FATA by ten wickets was most satisfying as I took nine wickets in that game.


Bowling speed and style

I feel that I am bowling close to 135Kph although there is no accurate measurement that has been taken so far. In terms of my style of bowling, this is very similar to Glenn McGrath or to Mohammad Asif; basically it is a mixture of swing and seam. Thankfully, I feel very proficient in bowling both inswing and outswing.


Future Aspirations

Let me start by saying that I have never been afraid of a challenge and in the recent game against WAPDA where Rahat Ali took six wickets in the first innings, I told everyone that I would match his performance in the second innings and I did that too! I feel that my job is to simply put in all the effort and make sure that I present my best performances for the selectors to decide on my inclusion in the national team. I will not give up on trying to prove to them that I am suited for a spot in the national team.
 
Nice interview.

Thanks alot PP.

The things which have struck with me if they are facts (truths) are :

1. Bowling type and style similar to McGrath and Asif.

2. He can seam and Swing the ball. Rarely any bowler has this art. Whose master I would call Asif. Usually either they seam or swing.

3. Taking 21 wickets in semifinal and final of Patrons trophy. Fine it's Grade two cricket. Still semifinal and final are big games and pressure games. 2 back to back Tenfers are no mean feat.

4. He hasn't calibrated his speeds yet at any level and here on PP we have mentioned it to be 140 or 145 even. Mind you players do visit PP and are also told by colleagues etc. Yet he is saying 135kph , where you know in pakistan players exaggerate their speeds to impress selectors etc that hey I am bowling quick to tempt them to pick them.

I am sure he will be picked for Pakistan A four day next assignment and let's see how he performs there with kookaburra ball and against other national A team batsman (Cream).

Best wishes and prayers for him. Now he has 54 wickets may cross 60 even.

Thanks alot [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] bhai and [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] bhai.
 
Nice interview.

Thanks alot PP.

The things which have struck with me if they are facts (truths) are :

1. Bowling type and style similar to McGrath and Asif.

2. He can seam and Swing the ball. Rarely any bowler has this art. Whose master I would call Asif. Usually either they seam or swing.

3. Taking 21 wickets in semifinal and final of Patrons trophy. Fine it's Grade two cricket. Still semifinal and final are big games and pressure games. 2 back to back Tenfers are no mean feat.

4. He hasn't calibrated his speeds yet at any level and here on PP we have mentioned it to be 140 or 145 even. Mind you players do visit PP and are also told by colleagues etc. Yet he is saying 135kph , where you know in pakistan players exaggerate their speeds to impress selectors etc that hey I am bowling quick to tempt them to pick them.

I am sure he will be picked for Pakistan A four day next assignment and let's see how he performs there with kookaburra ball and against other national A team batsman (Cream).

Best wishes and prayers for him. Now he has 54 wickets may cross 60 even.

Thanks alot [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] bhai and [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] bhai.

He's not 145, more likely to be 135-140 with the effort ball into 140+.
 
He has outclassed every one in current season, highest wicket of Quaid and he is highest wicket taker by a big big margin.
 
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In the 3 months of the Quaid-e-Azam trophy including qualifying rounds, Mohammad Abbas has taken 80 wickets in total!
 
Decent to great prospect, depending on how many years of age he had bunked. Officially, he'll be 26 next March - now, if that's 26 or 27, I think quite a decent prospect - make it 29-30, he is a spent force.

Imran knew this "fact" & he factored that in his scouting - almost every series Khan 'll pick 1/2 "youngster" - 16-18 years old "kids" & I can't name a single "youngster" debuting under him at 22 or higher as "youngstar" (None claimed Younis Ahmed or Iqbal Sikander as "PAK Youngsta beauty"). Aaquib was 16 (thus he looked like 35 when retired at 29), Mushi 18, Waquar 17, Ijaz 17, Moin 18, Inzi 20, Sohail 21, Anwar 21, Zahid Fazal 18, Ataur Rehman 17, Shahid Saeed 20, Maqsood Rana 18, Saleem Jafar 20, Asif Muztaba 19 .........

At current context - Imad Wasim would have played 100 matches under Khan by now, or would have never played (however, I do think Imad & Shaan are genuine 26/25 - born in UK/Kuwait - there is an unnecessary obligation - birth certificate, issued by the Hospital or the community nurse, if you are to enter any school). I got excited with the prospect & then almost dropped from my couch, when came to know that Iftekhar is 24 .........
 
Decent to great prospect, depending on how many years of age he had bunked. Officially, he'll be 26 next March - now, if that's 26 or 27, I think quite a decent prospect - make it 29-30, he is a spent force.

Imran knew this "fact" & he factored that in his scouting - almost every series Khan 'll pick 1/2 "youngster" - 16-18 years old "kids" & I can't name a single "youngster" debuting under him at 22 or higher as "youngstar" (None claimed Younis Ahmed or Iqbal Sikander as "PAK Youngsta beauty"). Aaquib was 16 (thus he looked like 35 when retired at 29), Mushi 18, Waquar 17, Ijaz 17, Moin 18, Inzi 20, Sohail 21, Anwar 21, Zahid Fazal 18, Ataur Rehman 17, Shahid Saeed 20, Maqsood Rana 18, Saleem Jafar 20, Asif Muztaba 19 .........

At current context - Imad Wasim would have played 100 matches under Khan by now, or would have never played (however, I do think Imad & Shaan are genuine 26/25 - born in UK/Kuwait - there is an unnecessary obligation - birth certificate, issued by the Hospital or the community nurse, if you are to enter any school). I got excited with the prospect & then almost dropped from my couch, when came to know that Iftekhar is 24 .........

Lets assume he is 29 years old.

He should only be considered for test matches if he impresses in four day list A matches. So he can play 3 or years of international cricket and that's it. In test cricket there is no worldcup etc. Harris had a short impressive career and so did kasprowich and Shane bond. If he I good enough and can win even 5 test matches for us than why not ?
 
Lets assume he is 29 years old.

He should only be considered for test matches if he impresses in four day list A matches. So he can play 3 or years of international cricket and that's it. In test cricket there is no worldcup etc. Harris had a short impressive career and so did kasprowich and Shane bond. If he I good enough and can win even 5 test matches for us than why not ?

Theoretically yes, practically NO. Why, let me explain.

There are many ENG, AUS or SAF players who made debut in late 20s, early 30s & they settled into Internationals within few months - served the team for almost a decade. Add Hussey & many English players who actually debuted after 29. For them, the transition from County or Shefield Shield was just about 10% higher - similar strategy, intensity, competitiveness, pressure - may be at slightly higher lever, that too not always, because half of the International sides during that era of cricket, won't have competed at Shield or even County or Castle Cup level. For Abbas (or PAK players), who are entirely groomed in PCB Domestic Style, it's a transition from say Central Lancashire League, Division 2 to Test cricket - for those whom it's a bit difficult to comprehend, let me give an equivalence - it's like putting a class 8 pass boy into 1st Year of Electrical Engineering - even for the National 1st Boy of class 8, it's a bit too much.

I say it again - Imarn knew it, therefore he would take couple of "U19 boys" in every tour, give them exposure of what it's like International Cricket - those who could realize how far the shore was, could swim across the channel, like the Akrams & Waquars & Aaquibs & Mushis; those who couldn't, ended like Zahid Fazal or Main Ul Atiq or Rizwan Uzzaman.
 
Good that Abbas knows where he stands with respect to pace and has focus on developing other skills

From Video that I saw I guessed same, he is around 135 kph on peak pace. Hype Machine on PP had made him a 140-145 kph bowler which he clearly isnt

Should tour England with Pak A
 
Decent to great prospect, depending on how many years of age he had bunked. Officially, he'll be 26 next March - now, if that's 26 or 27, I think quite a decent prospect - make it 29-30, he is a spent force.

Imran knew this "fact" & he factored that in his scouting - almost every series Khan 'll pick 1/2 "youngster" - 16-18 years old "kids" & I can't name a single "youngster" debuting under him at 22 or higher as "youngstar" (None claimed Younis Ahmed or Iqbal Sikander as "PAK Youngsta beauty"). Aaquib was 16 (thus he looked like 35 when retired at 29), Mushi 18, Waquar 17, Ijaz 17, Moin 18, Inzi 20, Sohail 21, Anwar 21, Zahid Fazal 18, Ataur Rehman 17, Shahid Saeed 20, Maqsood Rana 18, Saleem Jafar 20, Asif Muztaba 19 .........

At current context - Imad Wasim would have played 100 matches under Khan by now, or would have never played (however, I do think Imad & Shaan are genuine 26/25 - born in UK/Kuwait - there is an unnecessary obligation - birth certificate, issued by the Hospital or the community nurse, if you are to enter any school). I got excited with the prospect & then almost dropped from my couch, when came to know that Iftekhar is 24 .........


looking at his face, you think he is in his late 20s right? No offence talentspotter but these guys look older man. There is a reason our bowlers get way too average in late 20s or early 30s.
Rao iftikhar was taking wickets regularly in 1996-1999 but he came into pakistani team at about 2003 when he was a spent force, same is the case with aizaz cheema, he was way better in early too 2000, was even faster. Abdur Rauf, never heard about him much but his debut age was 29 which in reality was like 33-34.

This is the problem with Muhammad Abbas, to me it looks that he is almost at his peak and within 1-3 years he will regress
 
Never been fan of inducting pace bowlers from domestic cricket

It's time u19 bowlers are invested in through u19 tours and Pakistan A team any deficiencies in terms and fitness issues ironed out in the budding stage and then a natural progression into the senior team
 
Same thing goes for any batsmen ,no point investing in journeymen cricket because most of these players fail at the big stage eventually
 
Never been fan of inducting pace bowlers from domestic cricket

It's time u19 bowlers are invested in through u19 tours and Pakistan A team any deficiencies in terms and fitness issues ironed out in the budding stage and then a natural progression into the senior team

that would be too extereme. Haris Sohail was an exceptional batter from pakistani standards.

We cannot just say no to all domestic players. Fast bowlers are easy to judge in domestic by speed swing yorker potential with kookabura bowl
 
57 wickets in 9 matches now with 1 inning remaining of opposition side. Another fifer today.
 
60 wickets now for Mohammad Abbass in 9 matches.

I think in last 10 , 15 years most wickets in an Fc season by fast bowler have been taken by Sohail Khan last season where he took 64 wickets in 11 matches.

Abbass has chance to go past 64 mark.

Interestingly there hasn't been this much gap between number 1 and 2 in QEA trophy in last many many years. Where Abbass has 60 wickets and number 2 Ehsan Adil has 41 wickets.
 
60 wickets now for Mohammad Abbass in 9 matches.

I think in last 10 , 15 years most wickets in an Fc season by fast bowler have been taken by Sohail Khan last season where he took 64 wickets in 11 matches.

Abbass has chance to go past 64 mark.

Interestingly there hasn't been this much gap between number 1 and 2 in QEA trophy in last many many years. Where Abbass has 60 wickets and number 2 Ehsan Adil has 41 wickets.

PAK domestics changes it's style every year, therefore can't tell the exact number of matches; but I am sure in his debut or 2nd season Sohail Khan took close to 100 wickets - he was sansationsl - taking 7+ wickets/match @ 17/18 & probably had 11 or 12, 5 wicket innings, including a 16 wicket match. He was officially 23 then, so PCB allowed him to "mature" for few years in domestics & now he is trying to make a come back at tender age of 33-34.
 
PAK domestics changes it's style every year, therefore can't tell the exact number of matches; but I am sure in his debut or 2nd season Sohail Khan took close to 100 wickets - he was sansationsl - taking 7+ wickets/match @ 17/18 & probably had 11 or 12, 5 wicket innings, including a 16 wicket match. He was officially 23 then, so PCB allowed him to "mature" for few years in domestics & now he is trying to make a come back at tender age of 33-34.

65 wickets in 2007-2008

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...t_wickets_career.html?id=3521;type=tournament

50 wickets in 2010-2011

http://www.pcb.com.pk/averages-repo...g_averages&tournament_id=867&match_type_id=10

He was very quick in his first season. 90 plus mph on average than he got back issues. He got 95 wickets that season but in two divisions not one tournament. In QEA he got 65 wickets.

I am just thinking that he may have got injured due to bowling so much that season like definitely he would have played 15 four day games to take 95 wickets without much rest in between and got back trouble. So wasn't managed properly and lost pace.

Still Abass can pass 65 wickets this season.
 
65 wickets in 2007-2008

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...t_wickets_career.html?id=3521;type=tournament

50 wickets in 2010-2011

http://www.pcb.com.pk/averages-repo...g_averages&tournament_id=867&match_type_id=10

He was very quick in his first season. 90 plus mph on average than he got back issues. He got 95 wickets that season but in two divisions not one tournament. In QEA he got 65 wickets.

I am just thinking that he may have got injured due to bowling so much that season like definitely he would have played 15 four day games to take 95 wickets without much rest in between and got back trouble. So wasn't managed properly and lost pace.

Still Abass can pass 65 wickets this season.


95 wickets from 14 FC matches & he was deceptively quick. Unfortunately, he debuted Test on a Wicket, if I were in charge, not only I would sacked the entire ground staff, but PCB's grounds committee as well & would have made sure that they never come close to a cricket wicket. No wonder, before that Series, Intekhab threatened SRL team with "Fast & Bouncy" wickets ..............
 
95 wickets from 14 FC matches & he was deceptively quick. Unfortunately, he debuted Test on a Wicket, if I were in charge, not only I would sacked the entire ground staff, but PCB's grounds committee as well & would have made sure that they never come close to a cricket wicket. No wonder, before that Series, Intekhab threatened SRL team with "Fast & Bouncy" wickets ..............

And then his next test was a few years later on another road.... in Zim IIRC
 
Kuffar toota khuda khuda ker k.

I don't know whether he will perform in list A games or not ?

Whether it's just a reward for his 60 wickets in Fc cricket just for one A tour ?

I wish and pray he takes lots of wickets in odis against England lions but as [MENTION=34564]asfandyar[/MENTION] pointed out few days ago his favourable format is four day format. Also I guess 90 out of his last 100 domestic wickets have come in four day cricket.

No methodology in selection. No hindsight.

Where is the best bowler of last domestic president cup gold list A tournament ? Where is number 2 and number 3 ? Have they been selected ? If four day was the only criteria for one dayers selection than I am fine with Abbass's selection but where is shehzad and Hassan? If 30 plus is fine than where is Asad Ali and Aizaz Cheema ?

Khuda ka naam lou yaar.

Koi Sir payr nai selection ka. But still pray that Abbass succeeds although it would be very difficult for him because of the format.


Last domestic silver and gold cups (odis) plus latest QEA (form & fitness) as 50 % + 50 % should have been the criteria of selection for these 5 imp odis.
 
Kuffar toota khuda khuda ker k.

I don't know whether he will perform in list A games or not ?

Whether it's just a reward for his 60 wickets in Fc cricket just for one A tour ?

I wish and pray he takes lots of wickets in odis against England lions but as [MENTION=34564]asfandyar[/MENTION] pointed out few days ago his favourable format is four day format. Also I guess 90 out of his last 100 domestic wickets have come in four day cricket.

No methodology in selection. No hindsight.

Where is the best bowler of last domestic president cup gold list A tournament ? Where is number 2 and number 3 ? Have they been selected ? If four day was the only criteria for one dayers selection than I am fine with Abbass's selection but where is shehzad and Hassan? If 30 plus is fine than where is Asad Ali and Aizaz Cheema ?

Khuda ka naam lou yaar.

Koi Sir payr nai selection ka. But still pray that Abbass succeeds although it would be very difficult for him because of the format.


Last domestic silver and gold cups (odis) plus latest QEA (form & fitness) as 50 % + 50 % should have been the criteria of selection for these 5 imp odis.

Dude, you wanted him in the PSL and T20 team now you are saying it isn't a good selection in the ODI team.

I mean, maintain some consistency, no?
 
Dude, you wanted him in the PSL and T20 team now you are saying it isn't a good selection in the ODI team.

I mean, maintain some consistency, no?

For financial incentive and grooming. I would never recommend a name for a format of national side fir somebody whose strong format isn't that.

And for me it's upto the franchises to pick players like sadaf , Shehzad Azam and Mohammad Abbass. As consistent performers they should all have been in draft. Rest is totally upto franchises whether to pick them or not. Even if franchises feel they won't be good in T20 format I have no issues than.

Wrt Sadaf I raised an issue that he has got brilliant list A record wrt all attributes so it is injustice to him by PCB selectors and his region by not giving him T20 debut 3 , 4 years ago even if he is medium fast in pace. Because there are many medium and medium fast pacers who have played more than 30 domestic T20 matches.
 
For financial incentive and grooming. I would never recommend a name for a format of national side fir somebody whose strong format isn't that.

And for me it's upto the franchises to pick players like sadaf , Shehzad Azam and Mohammad Abbass. As consistent performers they should all have been in draft. Rest is totally upto franchises whether to pick them or not. Even if franchises feel they won't be good in T20 format I have no issues than.

Wrt Sadaf I raised an issue that he has got brilliant list A record wrt all attributes so it is injustice to him by PCB selectors and his region by not giving him T20 debut 3 , 4 years ago even if he is medium fast in pace. Because there are many medium and medium fast pacers who have played more than 30 domestic T20 matches.

Yes but if he gets selected in the A team, won't he be groomed and everything as well??
 
Dude, you wanted him in the PSL and T20 team now you are saying it isn't a good selection in the ODI team.

I mean, maintain some consistency, no?
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] is not implying that Mohammad Abbas doesn't merit selection. By selecting Abbas in his worst format, PCB is playing with his career, and any failure here might see him being discarded from all formats for the foreseeable future.
 
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] is not implying that Mohammad Abbas doesn't merit selection. By selecting Abbas in his worst format, PCB is playing with his career, and any failure here might see him being discarded from all formats for the foreseeable future.

I absolutely and totally disagree with this line of reasoning.

He needs to be in the major pool and show that he is worth his salt. This series will help him compete against better players and see how things are being done outside his little bubble.

People need to rise to challenges and adapt according to situations.

That said, I do understand now what he was saying.
 
I absolutely and totally disagree with this line of reasoning.

He needs to be in the major pool and show that he is worth his salt. This series will help him compete against better players and see how things are being done outside his little bubble.

People need to rise to challenges and adapt according to situations.

That said, I do understand now what he was saying.

There should be a step wise approach to selection. Remember what happened to Shinwari? If a player has not performed after 20 List-A games, what makes you think he is ready for the next level? At this point of time Hasan Ali, Taj Wali, Mohammad Ali, Sadaf Hussain, Sohail Khan, Asad Ali deserved the selection more.
 
Mohammad Abbas the highest wicket taker of QEA got 4 wickets today. Hope he will perform better with A team.
 
Good that Abbas knows where he stands with respect to pace and has focus on developing other skills

From Video that I saw I guessed same, he is around 135 kph on peak pace. Hype Machine on PP had made him a 140-145 kph bowler which he clearly isnt

Should tour England with Pak A

What do you mean by peak pace?

He's a 135k bowler with the effort ball into 140s. So around 140 would be his peak pace.
 
what a great spell he is bowling , going for 3 and half run per over
clearly shows difference between him ehsan and junaid
 
9.5 overs 2-46

Wins it for Pakistan A by taking 2 wickets in the penultimate over of the innings.
 
We saw Amir bowling around 135-140 K mark and with proper line and movement was handful.

Best of luck Abbas we need good bowlers.


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Good to see him Pakistan A list for camp
 
Career Best Match figures for Mohammad Abass. Outbowled Sadaf Hussain.

14-93.


Now He has 16 fivefers and 5 tenfers in 50 Fc matches with 80 % of those in last 4 seasons.
 
had high hopes from him after last season, but apparently he was awful for Pakistan A against England
 
Mohammad Abbas - Why does no one talk about him?

Leading wicket taker in the QEA trophy last year, already 20 odd wickets in 2 games with 14 wickets in his most recent match, yet no one seems to even know him.

He must have something in him which is the reason he's doing so well, shocking that he wasn't even chosen for the A team vs Zimbabwe.

If he keeps performing like this, do you think he'll be in the reckoning for a spot vs New Zealand or Australia?
 
we already have a 4-5 bowlers lined up in the pecking order. unless this guy is unique from rahat ali, imran khan, wahab riaz, amir or sohail, he cant be added to the order as too much of a mess
 
Seen him live and looked ordinary but he has been good for few seasons. Needs more time.
 
we already have a 4-5 bowlers lined up in the pecking order. unless this guy is unique from rahat ali, imran khan, wahab riaz, amir or sohail, he cant be added to the order as too much of a mess

Rahat Ali isn't that great tbh and Sohail is 32 already and will only last a couple of years. Abbas is 26 so we'll see where he's at in 2 or 3 years.
 
Because he was played in the limited-over games instead of the four-day FC games. :facepalm:

Typical PCB. He's been a monster in recent years. Let's give these performers a chance rather than having Rahat Ali carry drinks for another year.
 
A certain group of people never tired of talking about Sadaf, what about Abbas, the guy has been taking 5-fers for breakfast, tons of wickets each season and already 29 in 3 matches this years QA trophy, got to have something special, but I have not seen him, can't say more than that.
 
The guy might not be super fast, but who has pace othe than Wahab and Amir ?
 
Sadaf hussain has a far superior record ..an average of 18 and a strike rate of 37 vs average of 23 and sr of 49.

But the performing guys must get a chance at some level. These two guys should get chances at A level at least.
 
That's the thing, we need someone fast b/c Wahab will retire soon. I don't want a team full of trundlers.

If you have any tearaway bowler and is accurate, you can talk about him but if you don;t, you can only pick ones you have available. I don't know whether Abbas is fast, fast medium or medium fast but deserves some chance just for taking so many wickets.
 
A certain group of people never tired of talking about Sadaf, what about Abbas, the guy has been taking 5-fers for breakfast, tons of wickets each season and already 29 in 3 matches this years QA trophy, got to have something special, but I have not seen him, can't say more than that.
We don't need trundles with non existent skill.
 
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] Abbas Is fast making me a believer. I would still want him to bring his average in List-As down to <28 before selecting him in any format.

FC bowling stats are a little unpredictable as many bowlers (even trundlers) average superbly there.

Similarly, I would want any batsman who has Bradmanesque stats in List-A to average 40+ in FC before selecting him in any format as even guys like Khurram Manzoor average 45+ in List-As. (All this pertains to Pakistani domestic cricket)
 
50+ wickets in consecutive seasons of QeATrophy

1. Mohammad Nazir
2. Nadeem Ghauri
3. Masood Anwar
4. Shehzad Azam (active)
5. Sadaf Hussain (active)
6. M Abbass (active)
 
Top wicket-taker with 61 wickets in the 2015/16 Quaid-e-Azam Trophy.

Top wicket-taker so far in the 2016/17 Quaid-e-Azam Trophy with 53 wickets.
 
Those are some very nice numbers. I saw him live and wasn't impressed AT ALL. Maybe he has improved a great deal or maybe these conditions are conducive to dibbly-dobbly medium pacers.
 
He is a good medium fast bowler but not as good as these numbers suggest



Mohammad Abass last two Fc Seasons:

112 wickets at an Ave of 14.24 and a SR of 32.5
 
Muhammad Abbas
The boy from Jethikay: The toss that gave Pakistan its finest domestic bowler



KARACHI: Just 10 years ago, Muhammad Abbas was running in to bowl on the dusty streets of Sialkot district. Now he is comfortably topping the wicket-taking charts in the domestic Quaid-e-Azam Trophy for the second year in a row. It has been a long and awe-inspiring journey, yet it may all have been so different but for one lucky coin toss.

Unlike other children in Pakistan, it wasn’t until he was 12 that Abbas started dabbling in cricket. “They would only make me field, refusing to give me a chance with either bat or ball when I did start playing.”


Helping his father at his humble grocery store in the village of Jethikay, Abbas would ask his father every day to let him play cricket with the other boys on the street.

Eventually, his father relented.

“Even fielding used to give me so much happiness,” he said. “I began playing tape-ball cricket on the streets and fields of my village. With time I realised I enjoy bowling more than batting.”

Off to the city

In four years, the boy who was used just as a fielder had outgrown his small village and his friends advised him to go try his luck playing club cricket in Sialkot city.

“I was worried about how my parents would react when I tell them that this is what I want to do but they were very supportive.”

And so in 2006 began Abbas’s journey into proper cricket. “I gave several trials in Sialkot and was selected for most clubs but I chose to turn out for VIP Cricket Club,” he said.

Along with that came a call-up to the district U19 side, where he was the top wicket-taker in 2008-09 with 42 victims to his name.

To make ends meet, Abbas worked at a local property office and his office timings meant he would often show up late for the U19 training camp.

“The coaches told me I could not train if I turned up late but I told them about my job issues so they relented,” he said.


Tossed into the team

Training was one thing but being chosen for the first eleven was another. Abbas remained on the peripheries of the team despite impressing his captain Khurram Shahzad.

Shahzad argued Abbas’s case to the coaches, who still weren’t convinced. In the end they decided to toss a coin to decide the youngster’s fate — a 50:50 chance on his career. Shahzad won. Abbas was in the side.

“That toss changed my life — it gave me the chance I needed and I took five wickets in the very first match,” he recalled. “From there I was selected for the regional academy; topping the U19 bowling charts and claiming the man-of-the-match in one of the finals.”

Despite his performances, Abbas was overlooked for the Pakistan U19 team. A call to the Sialkot first-team came nonetheless, and from 2008 to 2013, the young pacer from Jethikay wore the colours of his district.

He then left for PTV and has now been playing for KRL since 2015.

Abbas has gone from strength to strength since joining one of the country’s biggest departmental sides.

Last year he was the top wicket-taker with 61 wickets in 10 matches. This time around he has bettered himself; having already taken 61 wickets in nine matches.

But his strong domestic performances haven’t been noticed by the national selectors. “This has not demotivated me — I am still confident of taking wickets with my style of bowling,” said the fast-bowler who relies primarily on accuracy and seam movement.

Like every other cricketer in the country, Abbas hopes to one day don on that famous Pakistan green. “I have proven myself in the domestic circuit by being the top-scorer two years in a row,” he said. “I am optimistic my chance will come.”

Abbas is confident of enjoying a long and storied international career. But for now, that young wide-eyed villager is eternally grateful that Shahzad called correctly on that fateful toss all those years ago.

Published in The Express Tribune, December 3rd, 2016.



http://tribune.com.pk/story/1251637/boy-jethikay-toss-gave-pakistan-finest-domestic-bowler/
 
Sadaf Hussein, Khoso, Atif Jabbar, Tabish Khan, Mir Hamza, Zahid Jnr, Ghulam Mudassar, Zia ul Haq, Taj Ali, Ali imran Pasha, and now Muhammad Abbas .... long list of bowlers languishing in domestics despite good performances selectors turn a blind eye. This is so unfair.
 
Sadaf Hussein, Khoso, Atif Jabbar, Tabish Khan, Mir Hamza, Zahid Jnr, Ghulam Mudassar, Zia ul Haq, Taj Ali, Ali imran Pasha, and now Muhammad Abbas .... long list of bowlers languishing in domestics despite good performances selectors turn a blind eye. This is so unfair.
Sadaf, Mir, Tabish and Abbas have been feasting off ill prepared tracks.

Zahid Jr is yet to play a FC game I believe.

Ghulam Mudassar is a part of the A-team, he's still far away from making his debut, far to erratic currently.

Taj has lost it.

Zia is erratic.

That is why they haven't been picked.
 
Sadaf, Mir, Tabish and Abbas have been feasting off ill prepared tracks.

Mir Hamza performed in the A team tour in England was those pitches "ill prepared" as well? Wasim, Waqar, Asif and Amir all came after performing on these tracks. Until and unless you give these guys a chance in the national side it's totally unfair to write them off.
 
Mir Hamza performed in the A team tour in England was those pitches "ill prepared" as well? Wasim, Waqar, Asif and Amir all came after performing on these tracks. Until and unless you give these guys a chance in the national side it's totally unfair to write them off.
The pitches have changed in the last three-four years, am I the only person saying the pitches are not up to standard?

Mir Hamza doesn't have the pace to survive on flat tracks. He would be a feasible option in places like NZ, England and South Africa, and that's just about it.
 
Pitches are the same since the debut of Sami.

The last " Hit the Deck " bowler to play for Pakistan was Rana Naveed. He was designed to bowl like that because of the Flat batting surfaces.


Since than the Pitches are same.


Just look at the bowling Average and Strike Rates of Sami ullah Niazi, Asad Ali, Imran Ali, Waqar Khan, Khalil Ahmad, Abdul Rauf, Tabish Khan, Aizaz Cheema, Tanveer Ahmed, Bilawal Bhatti, Shehzad Azam Rana, Sadaf Hussain, Ehsan Adil, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan, Mohammad Abbass, Ali Imran Pasha, Mir Hamza, Nasir Malik and Zohaib Shera of Last 12 years when they were in Top 5 wicket takers of Season. Than take the Mean.


I bet the bowling average will be under 18 and strike rate will be under 40.




Ellipsism this isn't a last 4 years thing.
 
Shahzad argued Abbas’s case to the coaches, who still weren’t convinced. In the end they decided to toss a coin to decide the youngster’s fate — a 50:50 chance on his career. Shahzad won. Abbas was in the side.

From the article. So this is how domestic coaches assess talent ? Selecting players on the toss of a coin ?!
 
From the article. So this is how domestic coaches assess talent ? Selecting players on the toss of a coin ?!

There is height of Unprofessionalism. Personal likes and dislikes, Egos etc.


The Coach wasn't ready to give him a chance but atleast he agreed for a toss :) :)

Lucky that Abass's captain won the Toss.


There is a Left Arm pacer Afraz Khoso. I fail to understand why he hasn't played last two domestic T20 and last 3 domestic List A tournaments. He was identified in LG sponsored Wasim Akram camp. Impressed with his Pace & yorkers on live matches while playing for Larkana.

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Than there is a very good Fast medium bowler Waqas Ahmed. I guess he is from same Sialkot region and he has only played 28 Fc matches in last 7 years despite being better than many who have played 60 Fc matches in the same time span.
 
There is a Left Arm pacer Afraz Khoso. I fail to understand why he hasn't played last two domestic T20 and last 3 domestic List A tournaments. He was identified in LG sponsored Wasim Akram camp. Impressed with his Pace & yorkers on live matches while playing for Larkana.

Just mentioned his name in my post above. Is he playing the on going QAE trophy ? There's hardly any news about him he doesn't even seem to be on the selectors radar.
 
Just mentioned his name in my post above. Is he playing the on going QAE trophy ? There's hardly any news about him he doesn't even seem to be on the selectors radar.


Even if he is not playing Fc Cricket doesn't bother me much because he is a limited overs specialist bowler. Let's see if he plays any List A and T20 matches this season or not.
 
If teams are piling on 500 runs every other match and you have bowler taking 61 wickets on those wickets you will really rate that bowler without even watching the matches. But the pitches are so poor that the trundlers are averaging 20 for fun. And when selected for Pak teams they get smashed.

How difficult is to prepare belters like the Multan wicket where test teams have feasted on?
 
If teams are piling on 500 runs every other match and you have bowler taking 61 wickets on those wickets you will really rate that bowler without even watching the matches. But the pitches are so poor that the trundlers are averaging 20 for fun. And when selected for Pak teams they get smashed.

How difficult is to prepare belters like the Multan wicket where test teams have feasted on?

If domestic bowlers are averaging 20 for fun you pick the bowler averaging 17.

It's not really complicated.

Numbers don't mean anything, relative performance does.

Everyone bowls on the same pitches, whether they are good or bad.

So you pick the bowlers who perform the best under identical trial conditions.

This method is not foolproof. But there is no evidence whatsoever that a *better* method exists.

The only domestic performer who has recently gotten a look in with the
national team is the trundler Sohail Khan. Who is currently the best fast
bowler in the national team.
 
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