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Talent Spotter : Mohammad Abbas

3 more wickets for Abbas today in the QEA Trophy.
 
New Yorker said:
If domestic bowlers are averaging 20 for fun you pick the bowler averaging 17.

It's not really complicated.

Numbers don't mean anything, relative performance does.

Everyone bowls on the same pitches, whether they are good or bad.

So you pick the bowlers who perform the best under identical trial conditions.

This method is not foolproof. But there is no evidence whatsoever that a *better* method exists.

The only domestic performer who has recently gotten a look in with the
national team is the trundler Sohail Khan. Who is currently the best fast
bowler in the national team.
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If a guy who averages a beastly 123 in the second innings of a test is our best fast bowler, then may the Lord have His mercy on us.
 
He have been top wicket taker for two consequetive seasons in QeA. There must be something in him.
What is that? Please share, I have never seen him play.
 
Syed1 said:
If a guy who averages a beastly 123 in the second innings of a test is our best fast bowler, then may the Lord have His mercy on us.
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Yes. Because there is no if. This year he has been our best fast bowler.
 
Are the selectors going to pick these guys when they get old and dusted? I'm fed up seeing these mediocre rahats and wahabs for the last four years. They've ruined our fast bowling. Pick Asif and the new lot of top performers from domestic.
 
Tall, upright and smooth action. Highest Wicket Taker

Kids deserves a go
 
Can't do much worse than the no-hopers we have at the moment.
 
Asif in his latest interview was asked whether He saw any budding fast bowler who is the real deal ?

Asif said that He did not see any Shoaib Akhtar and neither he saw any fast bowler who could swing the new ball both ways at will with control. Asif kept on saying that there is quantity but not quality.


But Asif repeated twice that Abass has been highest wicket taker for two consecutive seasons and he deserves a chance. Asif said top performers need to be given a go since those in the team aren't delivering as per expectations and at the end of the day its about performance.

Asif said that you cannot afford to play 3 left arm fast bowlers in a Test and we made that mistake. He said that since we have only two right arm bowlers ie Sohail and Imran so one of them can make way for Abass and give him a go.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Asif in his latest interview was asked whether He saw any budding fast bowler who is the real deal ?

Asif said that He did not see any Shoaib Akhtar and neither he saw any fast bowler who could swing the new ball both ways at will with control. Asif kept on saying that there is quantity but not quality.


But Asif repeated twice that Abass has been highest wicket taker for two consecutive seasons and he deserves a chance. Asif said top performers need to be given a go since those in the team aren't delivering as per expectations and at the end of the day its about performance.

Asif said that you cannot afford to play 3 left arm fast bowlers in a Test and we made that mistake. He said that since we have only two right arm bowlers ie Sohail and Imran so one of them can make way for Abass and give him a go.
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The key thing here is that he is not impressed with any bowler. This should be enough for the stats obsessed posters to observe a player before mindlessly backing him on the basis of his domestic numbers.
 
M.Abbas is fairly mediocre and on the wrong side of the 20s I think we have atleast dozen younger bowlers with better potential than him.
 
Ellipsism said:
The key thing here is that he is not impressed with any bowler. This should be enough for the stats obsessed posters to observe a player before mindlessly backing him on the basis of his domestic numbers.
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Well I don't disagree with Asif on the whole but I won't say that we do not have 3 better bowlers than Imran, Sohail & Rahat in our setup. We do not have any pacer in FC who can even be compared with peak of Fazal, Sarfraz, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Asif, Sami & Amir of start but we certainly have better bowlers than current failing ones.


It's been 11 years since Grace Ball is in operation and pitches conditions have remained the same. In these 11 years No fast bowler has ever become highest wicket taker in 2 consecutive seasons barring Abass and only Sadaf, Shehzad and Abass are the ones who have taken more than 50 wickets in two consecutive seasons.

Rahat, Imran & Sohail haven't managed it.


Skillwise Sohail is the best amongst these three but age & poor fitness means he is downhill clearly.


I backed Abass & Atif when they both were averaging 40 plus with the ball in FC Cricket. Why did I back them ? Because I saw something in them.


The Same Abass who averaged 43 in his first 5 seasons with only 3 fivefers and 1 tenfer now averages 22 with the ball with 17 fivefers and 6 tenfers in last 3 seasons and has averaged 16 with a SR under 30 in last 3 seasons.


Similarly Atif was averaging 43 in his first 3 Fc seasons in 7 matches with no fivefer or tenfer. Now this season he took 4 fivefers and 2 tenfers and averaged 22 with the ball.


So they are definitely doing something right.


Since Imran has still got a decent Test record so I am not willing to drop him for West Indies tour. That would be injustice given his 2nd last Test resulted in him taking 6 wickets probably highest from Pak side.


Rahat needs to be dropped. Even in conditions helpful for pace bowling He has failed to average under 25 despite being touted as someone who can swing it. To add to it no fivefer and overall miserable Test numbers. So out you go man.

Sohail ? Out you go too. Fitness not good enough for Test Cricket.


Wahab ? Out you go. Australia was your last hope. Time to seal your Test Career there and than. A bowler who cannot swing or seam new ball is not acceptable in Test Cricket unless he can consistently bowl 147 kph plus which he cannot. Add to it his poor control and no ball issue.


Amir ? Take a fourfer or fivefer in 2nd innings and be retained. Else time to rest you for West Indies tour. Go build up physique for fast bowling, work on your technical issues of ball release and come back stronger with revived old skills. Irrespective of dropped catches your average and strike rate are not poor but very poor given 2 of your last 3 tours were in England and Australia. At the end of the day after 3 tours we weight performance and numbers not your name or reputation.


In comes Asif, Atif & Abass with Imran/Tabish as 4th pacer on bench.


Sadaf isn't in best of form. Majid is in very poor form. Junaid has Averaged 45 in last 3 Fc seasons and the exciting Ghulam needs two seasons to build up body for Test Cricket plus the control.

Mohammad Irfan juniors numbers in FC and List A have dipped this season and though Waqas has only played 2 or 3 Fc matches in this season with a tenfer in his Last match but he hasn't got enough Fc bowling at his back recently to be given a go in Test Cricket.


Any near 6 or above 6 fee pacer who bowls closer to the stump with good control over line and length, can seam or swing new ball, bowls between 128 to 137 kph and has fitness required for Test Cricket will be able to average under 27-30 in Tests in West Indies which is acceptable. Atif will provide the option for one fast medium pacer. Slower Tabish should be preferred incase Atif's fitness is not upto international standards.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Asif in his latest interview was asked whether He saw any budding fast bowler who is the real deal ?

Asif said that He did not see any Shoaib Akhtar and neither he saw any fast bowler who could swing the new ball both ways at will with control. Asif kept on saying that there is quantity but not quality.


But Asif repeated twice that Abass has been highest wicket taker for two consecutive seasons and he deserves a chance. Asif said top performers need to be given a go since those in the team aren't delivering as per expectations and at the end of the day its about performance.

Asif said that you cannot afford to play 3 left arm fast bowlers in a Test and we made that mistake. He said that since we have only two right arm bowlers ie Sohail and Imran so one of them can make way for Abass and give him a go.
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Slight Correction!

Asif didn't recommend Abbas. In answer to a question he said "Top Performers should be given chances to prove themselves"

When the question was asked again (in a roundabout way) he said, "Abbas should be given a chance because he is the Top performer"

It would have been different if Asif would have said "Abbas is a fantastic prospect and should be given a chance"

In the whole Interview Asif clearly rated himself to be the best and also articulated why he thinks he is the best.

I also think that Asif is the best new Ball prospect Pakistan has. In fact I think Asif should Coach young Pakistani pacers after a few years when he is no longer playing.
 
LordJames said:
Slight Correction!

Asif didn't recommend Abbas. In answer to a question he said "Top Performers should be given chances to prove themselves"

When the question was asked again (in a roundabout way) he said, "Abbas should be given a chance because he is the Top performer"

It would have been different if Asif would have said "Abbas is a fantastic prospect and should be given a chance"

In the whole Interview Asif clearly rated himself to be the best and also articulated why he thinks he is the best.

I also think that Asif is the best new Ball prospect Pakistan has. In fact I think Asif should Coach young Pakistani pacers after a few years when he is no longer playing.
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I agree with you but I did not say that Asif recommended Abass but he definitely backed him to replace current lot. That's what I inferred.

Yes Asif did not mention any domestic pacer as fantastic prospect.


Asif has played 5 matches so in remaining 5 he might not have been with the team in some of the matches so he wouldn't have seen all.

Also as a professional looking to make a comeback I doubt even if Asif saw couple of fantsstic prospects He would have recommended them and called them fantastic prospects either because this hurts his own chances.


Ghulam can be a great pick after a year or two provided He is coached well, is taken care of and works hard on his fitness and training.


As for now I think Atif, Abass & Tabish are better than Wahab, Rahat, Sohail & current Amir. So just being better than them currently and being top performers merits selection.

In the 2nd and 3rd last List A season Sadaf played with Rahat in 6-7 List A matches and outperformed him in 5 matches all played at different grounds yet Sadaf's fitness was questioned and Rahat was termed far superior bowler and was persisted with. Which is baffling.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
I agree with you but I did not say that Asif recommended Abass but he definitely backed him to replace current lot. That's what I inferred.

Yes Asif did not mention any domestic pacer as fantastic prospect.


Asif has played 5 matches so in remaining 5 he might not have been with the team in some of the matches so he wouldn't have seen all.

Also as a professional looking to make a comeback I doubt even if Asif saw couple of fantsstic prospects He would have recommended them and called them fantastic prospects either because this hurts his own chances.


Ghulam can be a great pick after a year or two provided He is coached well, is taken care of and works hard on his fitness and training.


As for now I think Atif, Abass & Tabish are better than Wahab, Rahat, Sohail & current Amir. So just being better than them currently and being top performers merits selection.

In the 2nd and 3rd last List A season Sadaf played with Rahat in 6-7 List A matches and outperformed him in 5 matches all played at different grounds yet Sadaf's fitness was questioned and Rahat was termed far superior bowler and was persisted with. Which is baffling.
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Isn't Tabish considerably older? Should we not invest in someone younger? Are there any extended clips of Sadaf actually bowling?
 
LordJames said:
Isn't Tabish considerably older? Should we not invest in someone younger? Are there any extended clips of Sadaf actually bowling?
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Yes he is 31 I guess but very fit. Unfortunately Ehsan's fitness is very very poor otherwise I would have preffered him or Waqas Ahmed if he would have played more Fc matches this season. Similarly Irfanullah is too inexperienced and doesn't have Test built and Sameen is too young aswell.

So Tabish incase Atif's fitness is not of Test level in next 3 months.

I am not willing to kick out Imran given his Test record but I don't rate him much. But he should be given West Indies tour.


No there is no current spell of Sadaf available. Since he isn't in best of his form so he should not be picked. He bowls closer to the stumps and is 6'4 so him being 128 to 137kph shouldn't be a concern given his control and ability to swing the ball and get decent lift from good length area.


Whenever He can have best chance to be picked either he picks wrong Fc tournament (2012-2013) or he gets injured or he loses form. Very Unlucky fellow.


Now Sohail, Rahat, Wahab & Amir are struggling so badly and this could have been Sadaf's best chance to replace atleast one of them surely but He lost his form. Alas :-(
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Well I don't disagree with Asif on the whole but I won't say that we do not have 3 better bowlers than Imran, Sohail & Rahat in our setup. We do not have any pacer in FC who can even be compared with peak of Fazal, Sarfraz, Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Asif, Sami & Amir of start but we certainly have better bowlers than current failing ones.


It's been 11 years since Grace Ball is in operation and pitches conditions have remained the same. In these 11 years No fast bowler has ever become highest wicket taker in 2 consecutive seasons barring Abass and only Sadaf, Shehzad and Abass are the ones who have taken more than 50 wickets in two consecutive seasons.

Rahat, Imran & Sohail haven't managed it.


Skillwise Sohail is the best amongst these three but age & poor fitness means he is downhill clearly.


I backed Abass & Atif when they both were averaging 40 plus with the ball in FC Cricket. Why did I back them ? Because I saw something in them.


The Same Abass who averaged 43 in his first 5 seasons with only 3 fivefers and 1 tenfer now averages 22 with the ball with 17 fivefers and 6 tenfers in last 3 seasons and has averaged 16 with a SR under 30 in last 3 seasons.


Similarly Atif was averaging 43 in his first 3 Fc seasons in 7 matches with no fivefer or tenfer. Now this season he took 4 fivefers and 2 tenfers and averaged 22 with the ball.


So they are definitely doing something right.


Since Imran has still got a decent Test record so I am not willing to drop him for West Indies tour. That would be injustice given his 2nd last Test resulted in him taking 6 wickets probably highest from Pak side.


Rahat needs to be dropped. Even in conditions helpful for pace bowling He has failed to average under 25 despite being touted as someone who can swing it. To add to it no fivefer and overall miserable Test numbers. So out you go man.

Sohail ? Out you go too. Fitness not good enough for Test Cricket.


Wahab ? Out you go. Australia was your last hope. Time to seal your Test Career there and than. A bowler who cannot swing or seam new ball is not acceptable in Test Cricket unless he can consistently bowl 147 kph plus which he cannot. Add to it his poor control and no ball issue.


Amir ? Take a fourfer or fivefer in 2nd innings and be retained. Else time to rest you for West Indies tour. Go build up physique for fast bowling, work on your technical issues of ball release and come back stronger with revived old skills. Irrespective of dropped catches your average and strike rate are not poor but very poor given 2 of your last 3 tours were in England and Australia. At the end of the day after 3 tours we weight performance and numbers not your name or reputation.


In comes Asif, Atif & Abass with Imran/Tabish as 4th pacer on bench.


Sadaf isn't in best of form. Majid is in very poor form. Junaid has Averaged 45 in last 3 Fc seasons and the exciting Ghulam needs two seasons to build up body for Test Cricket plus the control.

Mohammad Irfan juniors numbers in FC and List A have dipped this season and though Waqas has only played 2 or 3 Fc matches in this season with a tenfer in his Last match but he hasn't got enough Fc bowling at his back recently to be given a go in Test Cricket.


Any near 6 or above 6 fee pacer who bowls closer to the stump with good control over line and length, can seam or swing new ball, bowls between 128 to 137 kph and has fitness required for Test Cricket will be able to average under 27-30 in Tests in West Indies which is acceptable. Atif will provide the option for one fast medium pacer. Slower Tabish should be preferred incase Atif's fitness is not upto international standards.
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Wahab has been our best bowler in Australia, why should he be dropped?
 
If numbet of wickets is not the perimeter of selection than what is??
He was top wicket taker in two consequetive QeA. His performance in recent Departmental Odi is good as well.
He is under 30. Whats left?

I see many ppl criticize him in favor of Sadaf or Tabish. I AM INTERESTED TO KNOW THEIR OPINION AS I HAVE NOT SEEN HIM LIVE UNFORTUNATELY.
 
Ellipsism said:
Wahab has been our best bowler in Australia, why should he be dropped?
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Best of the worst lot! Mohammad Asif said in his Interview that new ball always swings, there is no doubt about that.

Wahab after years of Playing cannot move the Ball an inch and cannot land on seam and is plauged with No Ball issues.

Rahat and Sohail need to go. Wahab needs a kick up the backside to sort his issues out and fast.

Amir needs rest and then a season of County Cricket .
 
Can someone tell me why guys like Mohammad Abbas doesn't get a call up?

Mohammad Abbas was highest wicket taker of the last 2 Quaid-e-Azam Trophies, he wasn't even given a central contract. There are many other bowlers who have been performing in the domestic circuit but selectors are ignoring them continuously. Tabish Khan, Mir Hamza, Sameen Gul, Atif Jabbar etc.
 
Because he's not good enough. Have you watched him bowl? Not saying performance doesn't matter but you have to look at the ability of the player as well and what he can provide at the international level. Hassan Ali for example doesn't have the same first class stats as this guy but he is a much much better bowler. Abbas is a line and length trundler and such bowlers tend to do well in our domestic cricket. Inzi has been a poor selector overall so I agree with the general message behind your thread.
 
Don't you think some new guys deserve a chance especially in the test squad, after the mediocre performances by fast bowlers in the recent matches? Even Asif was a medium pacer but he wreaked havoc with his tight line and length same as Philander nowadays.
 
Look lets be honest, this guy is an inferior version of Anwar Ali. Have you seen him bowl? I'm not taking anything away from him but his performances have come on extremely poor batting pitches with wonderful bowling conditions because of moisture in the air. To top it off, the ball is not the one used in international cricket. And for all we know, he could perhaps even be tampering the ball considering their is no tight security in domestic games but even if you let that go, he's had great situations to bowl.

If he does make his debut (which he should given his performances), it would be unfair to Tabish and Sadaf who have been topping the charts for almost a decade now. But even if he does, I wouldn't see him doing any damage to Warner's, Root's and Williamson's. He isn't even good enough for Tamim Iqbal. 120-125 KPH trundler, a true number 11 in batting and most probably pathetic in the field because it looks like he has a weak frame.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Look lets be honest, this guy is an inferior version of Anwar Ali. Have you seen him bowl? I'm not taking anything away from him but his performances have come on extremely poor batting pitches with wonderful bowling conditions because of moisture in the air. To top it off, the ball is not the one used in international cricket. And for all we know, he could perhaps even be tampering the ball considering their is no tight security in domestic games but even if you let that go, he's had great situations to bowl.

If he does make his debut (which he should given his performances), it would be unfair to Tabish and Sadaf who have been topping the charts for almost a decade now. But even if he does, I wouldn't see him doing any damage to Warner's, Root's and Williamson's. He isn't even good enough for Tamim Iqbal. 120-125 KPH trundler, a true number 11 in batting and most probably pathetic in the field because it looks like he has a weak frame.
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You were going right and I thought going to make a logical conclusion.

But then you ended up recommending Sadaf and Tabish. :)))

All his negatives that you mentioned, trundling etc, Sadaf is worse there!! And weak frame etc :danish

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Hawkeye said:
You were going right and I thought going to make a logical conclusion.

But then you ended up recommending Sadaf and Tabish. :)))

All his negatives that you mentioned, trundling etc, Sadaf is worse there!! And weak frame etc :danish

[MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION]
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Haha, bro, I don't want either of Tabish or Sadaf. But what I mean to say is Abbas has been topping the charts for 2 years while they have been doing it for decades so it would be unfair to them - not that they deserve a spot in the team. At least not now, for sure. The time has passed.
 
too late..looks unfit and not fit enough for test cricket..a question to [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] who are our youngest performers in first class cricket? I'm thinking near U21. what about spinners?

we really need to eat humble pie and embrace the age of India. Get some good spinners, some spin alrounders one or two good pacers and a dibbly dobbler. The rest is batting!! we live in the age of flat picthes and the indian way of playing ODI cricket..inzi's team understood and thats why we competed with them then. Go back to that..flat pitches, spinners pacers up front and near end, and dibbly dobblers and spinners..
 
ExpressPacer said:
Haha, bro, I don't want either of Tabish or Sadaf. But what I mean to say is Abbas has been topping the charts for 2 years while they have been doing it for decades so it would be unfair to them - not that they deserve a spot in the team. At least not now, for sure. The time has passed.
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Fine then. :najam

I'd go on ability and potential. I haven't seen this guy bowl, but if he's better than Sadaf etc, should be drafted in.

I don't think it's the right argument that since Sadaf was the highest wicket taker x number of times more than Abbas, so Sadaf should be selected. That's a wrong and flawed analogy.

With that analogy none of the world's best fast bowlers would've been selected, it's not based on pure stats and who was the highest wicket taker most no. Of times.
 
Hawkeye said:
Fine then. :najam

I'd go on ability and potential. I haven't seen this guy bowl, but if he's better than Sadaf etc, should be drafted in.

I don't think it's the right argument that since Sadaf was the highest wicket taker x number of times more than Abbas, so Sadaf should be selected. That's a wrong and flawed analogy.

With that analogy none of the world's best fast bowlers would've been selected, it's not based on pure stats and who was the highest wicket taker most no. Of times.
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Would agree. I've seen Abbas and to be honest, I still don't understand how he gets so many wickets. It is beyond me. For Sadaf, maybe his height gives him the extra bounce that troubles the batsmen. Tabish has that extra bit of pace compared to his rivals but Abbas has nothing to offer but keeps piling them up.
 
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Would agree. I've seen Abbas and to be honest, I still don't understand how he gets so many wickets. It is beyond me. For Sadaf, maybe his height gives him the extra bounce that troubles the batsmen. Tabish has that extra bit of pace compared to his rivals but Abbas has nothing to offer but keeps piling them up.
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Could be yet another hyped domestic bully. Would wait and see and reserve my judgment.
 
Mohammad Abbas has been called up to the LOI training camp for the WI tour.
 
Doesn't look like a LOI bowler.

Wouldn't select him for LOIs but I really wouldn't mind seeing his name in the Test squad.
 
I request Inzamam and other selectors, if they are reading this

Please select Abbas for tests at least.

thank you.
 
He is no longer Right Arm Fast (age) but Test Call is around the Corner. He needs few voters to jump the ship. There isn't a consensus amongst those who matter.
 
KARACHI: Pakistan may soon have a new face in their pace-bowling armoury for next month’s three-match Test series against the West Indies with Mohammad Abbas being hotly tipped to make the 16-member squad, which is likely to be announced in the middle of next week.

The national selection committee — headed by Inzamam-ul-Haq with Tauseef Ahmed, Wajahatullah Wasti and Wasim Haider as members — is scheduled to assemble in Lahore on Monday to discuss the make-up of the Test party.

Abbas, a 27-year-old from village in the Sialkot district, has been the star bowler over the past two first-class seasons in which he had 132 wickets, including a rich haul of 71 in the Quaid-i-Azam Trophy National Cricket Championship.

Unassuming and shy in character, Abbas is quite passionate about cricket and the facet of pace bowling. For a man who idolizes the retired Australian legend Glenn McGrath and Mohammad Asif, the veteran seamer who served a long ban for his involvement in the spot-fixing scandal that rocked Pakistan during the 2010 Lord’s Test against England, Abbas believes he is ready for international cricket.

“By grace of Allah, I have been performing exceptionally over the past few seasons. The efforts of working hard are reaping the desired rewards. I have come through the past few seasons with performances to show,” Abbas said while exclusively talking to Dawn on Saturday. “Obviously, there was no turning back after taking 61 wickets in the previous [2015-16] first-class season. Having set the bench mark, I wanted to do better this season and the incentive I got was 71 wickets and a second straight award of being declared the best bowler of the championship.”

Abbas considers himself extremely lucky to have Asif playing alongside him. “I am very fortunate that Asif also plays for Sialkot. In my view, he is the best seamer I have come across in my life. Being primarily a seam bowler, I have learnt a lot from him.

“In fact, most people don’t know that Asif and I hold the ball in the same position at the time of delivery. You can see visible marks of wear and tear on the index and middle fingers of our bowling hands. This is because to bowl seam up, one has got to hold the ball in a conventional way to generate the swerve off the pitch.

“I also get the ball to swing when the conditions are ideal but most of the time, I rely on seam movement. One cannot succeed if you are not able to read the pitch.”

Abbas revealed that it was dream come true for him to be playing for the first time against Pakistan Test captain Misbah-ul-Haq when the duo played against each other in the semi-final of the Quaid-i-Azam Trophy Grade-II Cricket Tournament here at the National Stadium earlier in the week. And although Misbah-led Faisalabad defeated Sialkot by 32 runs to qualify for the final against Multan, Abbas has a cause to remember the fixture, even though it was not classified first-class.

“I still think as if I was bowling to Misbah bhai in a trance. On day one, the pitch aided seam bowling and I got seven wickets, including that of Misbah bhai when I trapped him LBW. But the icing on the cake was to get Misbah bhai in the second innings when I managed to get one delivery zipped through from outside the off stump to bowl him,” Abbas said.

Abbas further said the experience of training alongside some of the stars was worth when he was among 31 probables invited for the national camp for the T20 and ODI segments of the West Indies tour.

“It was simply wonderful. Mickey Arthur [Pakistan head coach] offered words of encouragement when he saw him at the camp and told me to keep working hard. The fitness tests were great and I came through them well,” Abbas revealed. “The senior players were very supportive as well with good advice. Sarfraz, Shoaib Malik, Hafeez, Kamran Akmal all were very, very good to me. They made me feel at home throughout the duration of the camp.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1324273/young-pacer-abbas-eyes-berth-on-wi-test-tour
 
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Him getting a 7 fer infront of Misbah while dismissing him in both innings will definitely help his chances.


One of Sohail, Imran & Rahat will be dropped most probably Sohail (test fitness) and Abbas will be picked.
 
very heavy rumours coming in that Abbas will be selected for WI test series, along with another new fast bowler from first class. Might be the end for Rahat, Imran and maybe Sohail too.
 
Any idea whether Sami Aslam will be dropped? Hopefully not but he was picked in Pakistan cup suggesting he may not be picked to play vs WI
 
Citizen4 said:
very heavy rumours coming in that Abbas will be selected for WI test series, along with another new fast bowler from first class. Might be the end for Rahat, Imran and maybe Sohail too.
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Abbas is selected for test team training camp
 
hadi123 said:
Any idea whether Sami Aslam will be dropped? Hopefully not but he was picked in Pakistan cup suggesting he may not be picked to play vs WI
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If Sami is dropped then they will select Shan or worse Hafeez in his place, so for the sake of Pakistan I hope to God Sami gets picked.
 
I don't understand what is wrong with Hasan Ali, why he cannot be trusted with test? - He has done a good job in LOIs, has good seam up deliveries and swing white ball, has increased his pace, can bowl yorkers at 145 clicks now. He is young and in international circuit for 18 months now...Why not invest in him for test, he can only grow by bowling in test?

Is that Misbah's rule that test bowler has to be either Old(26/27) or really Old(31/35)? - What has happen to us and test cricket, why we are settled in mediocre Old trundlers who cannot hold the spot even in Pakistani LOI teams. I am sure Hasan can do better than Rahat, Imran and even Sohail (who struggles to bowl second spell)...These guys were rubbish in last year overseas test, except first spell of Sohail...

Or we worried about Hasan's burn out? - Then say so, these FC bowlers are looking nothing special to be frank. They don't have speed, they don't have control..Imran Khan was highest wicket taker not long time ago and he is rubbish bowler, not international standard. Unless you are Asif quality, you got to have some serious pace, otherwise its waste of time... Inzi and Co need to push these guys to generate pace...

Also, bowlers peak at 26/27, if at that age, all you can generate is 130/135 avg speed, that means you are not a fast bowler, better stick to domestic, no need to pollute the national side with another trundler... These domestic stats are very misleading...PPers were hyping Humza, he was nothing bowler, I am sure Sadaf is another Trundler...I would be very surprise if this Abbas guy is any special, if you are already 27 and never come anywhere close to national side, chances are you are pretty average...
 
yasir said:
I don't understand what is wrong with Hasan Ali, why he cannot be trusted with test? - He has done a good job in LOIs, has good seam up deliveries and swing white ball, has increased his pace, can bowl yorkers at 145 clicks now. He is young and in international circuit for 18 months now...Why not invest in him for test, he can only grow by bowling in test?

Is that Misbah's rule that test bowler has to be either Old(26/27) or really Old(31/35)? - What has happen to us and test cricket, why we are settled in mediocre Old trundlers who cannot hold the spot even in Pakistani LOI teams. I am sure Hasan can do better than Rahat, Imran and even Sohail (who struggles to bowl second spell)...These guys were rubbish in last year overseas test, except first spell of Sohail...

Or we worried about Hasan's burn out? - Then say so, these FC bowlers are looking nothing special to be frank. They don't have speed, they don't have control..Imran Khan was highest wicket taker not long time ago and he is rubbish bowler, not international standard. Unless you are Asif quality, you got to have some serious pace, otherwise its waste of time... Inzi and Co need to push these guys to generate pace...

Also, bowlers peak at 26/27, if at that age, all you can generate is 130/135 avg speed, that means you are not a fast bowler, better stick to domestic, no need to pollute the national side with another trundler... These domestic stats are very misleading...PPers were hyping Humza, he was nothing bowler, I am sure Sadaf is another Trundler...I would be very surprise if this Abbas guy is any special, if you are already 27 and never come anywhere close to national side, chances are you are pretty average...
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Agree with this.

I've seen Abbas and he struggles on flat pitches, relies heavily on seam movement for effectiveness and pace isn't great either 130-135 km/h.
 
abbas isnt fast but he's quick off the pitch and has well earned his place. I would bet though that he will struggle to get a space in the test team because Mickey likes rahat and feels that since they have invested in him, they should persist with him.

I would have abbas in a heartbeat over Rahat, if for no other reason to help wear the pitch for yasir.
 
Abbas and Hasan in the Test squad?

That's fantastic!

Will only get better if Mir Hamza is there too.
 
Citizen4 said:
very heavy rumours coming in that Abbas will be selected for WI test series, along with another new fast bowler from first class. Might be the end for Rahat, Imran and maybe Sohail too.
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Abbas is in the squad for the upcoming Test series against the West Indies. Rahat and Imran dropped.
 
What can you guys tell me about this abbas guy? he seems a decent prospect reading [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] posts but people have criticised his age and potential longevity
 
shaz619 said:
What can you guys tell me about this abbas guy? he seems a decent prospect reading [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] posts but people have criticised his age and potential longevity
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A trundler that relies heavily on seam movement to even look threatening.
 
Ellipsism said:
Asi had skill and in his prime had the ability to touch 140 km/h.

Abbas is just, meh.
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I don't know how did you even come up with that 140k figure? have you ever seen Asif bowl?

His average pace was 128-135kph, Even if he did touch 140ks that would be a rarity, honestly I don't remember Asif bowling 140ks, most people would agree with me.

Abbas's role models are McGrath and Asif, so he follows them, he can seam and swing the ball.

Asif himself said he's the one to look out for.

Now if you still wanna stay as a pessimist It's your choice.
 
Citizen4 said:
I don't know how did you even come up with that 140k figure? have you ever seen Asif bowl?

His average pace was 128-135kph, Even if he did touch 140ks that would be a rarity, honestly I don't remember Asif bowling 140ks, most people would agree with me.

Abbas's role models are McGrath and Asif, so he follows them, he can seam and swing the ball.

Asif himself said he's the one to look out for.

Now if you still wanna stay as a pessimist It's your choice.
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Enough with the personal marks.

If you saw my post I said he had the ability to TOUCH 140 km/h.

Abbas doesn't swing the ball on a consistent basis, he may swing the odd ball but he's primarily a seam bowler.

Did you see Abbas bowl in the Pakistan Cup last year? Format aside he didn't even look threatening and I have a theory that this may have to do with the flat pitches.

All his QeA wickets were taken on unprepared tracks, tracks that support seam bowling bowled down at 130-135 km/h.
 
To add on if you read TalentSpotterPk's above, it states that Asif hasn't seen anyone special but agrees that domestic performers should be given a look in.
 
Ellipsism said:
Enough with the personal marks.

If you saw my post I said he had the ability to TOUCH 140 km/h.

Abbas doesn't swing the ball on a consistent basis, he may swing the odd ball but he's primarily a seam bowler.

Did you see Abbas bowl in the Pakistan Cup last year? Format aside he didn't even look threatening and I have a theory that this may have to do with the flat pitches.

All his QeA wickets were taken on unprepared tracks, tracks that support seam bowling bowled down at 130-135 km/h.
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Asif said ona live show that Abbas is really talented ans a cut above the rest. If you're not gonna value Asif's word, I can't help you.

alas you don't know what happened in QeA let me tell you some facts. Yes there were green pitches but that's not true for every match, there were several big totals scored as well. Don't blow everything out of proportions.

Abbas only bowled twice in the 1st innings, that means he didn't get as much help as the opposition seamers except for 2 matches, and he had to bowl when the pitch would wear down slightly.

Even in the matches where KRL posted good totals, Abbas would still take 5fers

take a look at this match, KRL posted a total of 503, Abbas took a 5/30 on that track to bowl out the opposition on 228 on the same pitch. No other seamer took more than a 2fer.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/1047945.html
 
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Citizen4 said:
Asif said ona live show that Abbas is really talented ans a cut above the rest. If you're not gonna value Asif's word, I can't help you.

alas you don't know what happened in QeA let me tell you some facts. Yes there were green pitches but that's not true for every match, there were several big totals scored as well. Don't blow everything out of proportions.

Abbas only bowled twice in the 1st innings, that means he didn't get as much help as the opposition seamers except for 2 matches, and he had to bowl when the pitch would wear down slightly.

Even in the matches where KRL posted good totals, Abbas would still take 5fers

take a look at this match, KRL posted a total of 503, Abbas took a 5/30 on that track to bowl out the opposition on 228 on the same pitch. No other seamer took more than a 2fer.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/1047945.html
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Yes, I'll admit my mistake here that indeed not all his wickets were taken on green pitches.

However, I can only go off what I see and what I saw in the Pakistan Cup was gun barrel straight bowling at modest pace.

I haven't see this interview where apparently Asif states that Abbas is a cut above the rest- do you have a link?

The pitches deteriorating doesn't exactly mean that a pace bowler is going to struggle. See, the low quality pitches mean that the bounce becomes inconsistent and that inconsistent bounce worsens as the game goes on.
 
muhammad saad said:
Imran Khan Jnr Replica ,just change the swing to seam.
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He could be the worse bowler on the face of the planet, but he has been the top wicket taker in your domestics for the last two years. Either disregard domestic performances or reward the top-performers from the system.
 
shaz619 said:
What can you guys tell me about this abbas guy? he seems a decent prospect reading [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] posts but people have criticised his age and potential longevity
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Over the years he has lost pace but his accuracy and wicket taking ability has improved. He will be bowling majority medium fast and some fast medium deliveries. 3-4 years ago he was fast medium who could bowl few in the fast range.

If he is given 10 Tests run than he will have a better Test record than Rahat & Imran Khan. " If He is given 10 Tests Run "
 
I hope he plays. Mohammad Asif speaks highly of him. Don't want to see brainless Rahat and Imran back.
 
Ok Abass Bhaee I did my job.

I highlighted you when you were with PTV and hadn't even played FC season for quite some time.

Than you had quality grade 2 and grade 1 seasons. You might not be fast medium or fast now but you got the oppurtunity to wear Pakistan Cap after dreaming for it more than 15 years.

Here is your oppurtunity. Come On make it count. Prove that you are a mean accurate medium fast bowler.

Best wishes and prayers.
 
A wicket on his second ball in test cricket and a good wicket Kraig Brathwaite
 
Wicket on his second ball in Test cricket, couldn't have asked for a better start.
 
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