Taskin Ahmed vs Mustafizur Rahman

[ExpressPacer]

I'm a strong supporter of Taskin Ahmed. He has a very good build, good action and pace. Can seam it and swings the ball in helpful conditions too. He burst onto the scene with a 5fer, held his nerves and spearheaded the bowling attack when the Fizz went missing but I think he never get the appreciation he deserves because he always plays under the shadow of Mustafizur. Mustafi is always the one we look out for. I personally think Taskin is better because of his exceptional fitness and good pace compared to Fizz.

I don't think Fizz can play in alien conditions while Taskin can.

What do you guys think? Who is better? Who will be more instrumental for Bangladesh in the CT? Discuss.

 

[Executioner]

Taskin is a quality bowler but he bowls short far too often. Someone useful for Australian conditions.

Fizz will always be better than most bowlers in the SC even without the cutter. However anywhere in the world he will be a useful death bowler.

He still hasn't regained full fitness but I am sure we will see him in full flownin the CT.

For now it's Fizz

 

[Slog]

Where's rubel

 

[aloo paratha]

Both are equal imo, Taskin can be expensive sometimes but has pace, mustafiz is good in Asian conditions, untested outside Asia, but he is a good death bowler anywhere in the world.

 

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Who do you guys think is currently the better bowler? I personally rate Taskin very highly because of the pace and bounce he creates. He's also found more success in the only match the two have played together. While the Fizz is great for BD cricket, I think Taskin will be instrumental if Bangladesh are to win vs India.

 

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[King Kong]

Both are pretty average. But at least Fizz has brain. He will survive for the next 5 years at least. Taskin will get smashed to all continents in the semis. His bowling reminds me of how Hardik used to bowl at the start of his career. Just bowl a short ball, have hands together at the sky praying and hoping for a wicket. Hardik seems to have come out of that whereas Taskin is still stuck with it. Basically Poor man's Pandya.

 

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Who do you guys think is currently the better bowler? I personally rate Taskin very highly because of the pace and bounce he creates. He's also found more success in the only match the two have played together. While the Fizz is great for BD cricket, I think Taskin will be instrumental if Bangladesh are to win vs India.

Mustafiz is a different type of bowler - if few things go in his favour (like wicket, captain handling him, field setting etc..) he has the capability to run through sides. But, he isn't a complete pacer - lacks pace, lacks conventional skills, lacks the intimidation. Besides, his biggest weakness is use of new ball, without which no pacer can be great Test bowler. Still, if he is fit & healthy, he'll dominate LO cricket, because batsmen 'll need to play forcing shots against him. He is quite intelligent at exposing batsmen when they are forced to go after; but not sure how good he is to crack through a solid defence. In Test, on typical BD Test wickets, he'll still be effective, but not much outside Asia.

Taskin has every ingredient to become a good strike bowler, if he can polish few glitches in his game. His run-up, action, delivery stride are not perfect; and he is almost like cramped while bowling. If he can smoothen these & strengthen his body, can be an all-condition strike bowler, because he has the potential to reach 150km with effort ball. Also, great fast bowlers are menacing when they are in rhythm, other time they do know how to get away from beating (every aggressive fast bowler gets beating, even in 70s, DK Lillee had economy of close to 3, when 2.5 was standard for pacer). This guy is horrible when he is out of rhythm, often goes for double digit economy.

Taskin has a better prospect as Test pacer, but in LO, Mustafiz is far better, will remain so as long as he is healthy, because he far, far intelligent bowler; can operate at lower pace as well. Taskin's career will be short, but his peak should be the best 5 years of anything that we have seen so far from BD pacers.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Mustafiz is a different type of bowler - if few things go in his favour (like wicket, captain handling him, field setting etc..) he has the capability to run through sides. But, he isn't a complete pacer - lacks pace, lacks conventional skills, lacks the intimidation. Besides, his biggest weakness is use of new ball, without which no pacer can be great Test bowler. Still, if he is fit & healthy, he'll dominate LO cricket, because batsmen 'll need to play forcing shots against him. He is quite intelligent at exposing batsmen when they are forced to go after; but not sure how good he is to crack through a solid defence. In Test, on typical BD Test wickets, he'll still be effective, but not much outside Asia.

Taskin has every ingredient to become a good strike bowler, if he can polish few glitches in his game. His run-up, action, delivery stride are not perfect; and he is almost like cramped while bowling. If he can smoothen these & strengthen his body, can be an all-condition strike bowler, because he has the potential to reach 150km with effort ball. Also, great fast bowlers are menacing when they are in rhythm, other time they do know how to get away from beating (every aggressive fast bowler gets beating, even in 70s, DK Lillee had economy of close to 3, when 2.5 was standard for pacer). This guy is horrible when he is out of rhythm, often goes for double digit economy.

Taskin has a better prospect as Test pacer, but in LO, Mustafiz is far better, will remain so as long as he is healthy, because he far, far intelligent bowler; can operate at lower pace as well. Taskin's career will be short, but his peak should be the best 5 years of anything that we have seen so far from BD pacers.

A very good post. Thanks for making it thorough and detailed.

I agree on the fact that Taskin needs to change his action. While it is no longer dubious, I personally feel it is very demanding, very strenuous and the opposite of a free flowing one. If he can make it more smooth, I see him finding a lot more success than he already has.

And while Mustafizur is certainly the better LOI bowler because of his variations, I think Taskin will always have a bigger impact but remain under the shadow of Mustafi.

 

[Imran Hasan]

Both bowlers are the exciting prospect for the Bangladesh team. From the beginning of Taskin's career I am an ardent fan of his bowling. After the Mashrafee We have not found any pace bowler like him. I believe Taskin would carry the legacy of Mash. The main problem of Taskin is his line and length. He can be expensive time to time but he is a wicket taking bowler. And in odi we needs wicket.

On the other hand Mustafuizur is a special talent bowler. He is struggling after the injury and subsequent operation. But he needs to be nurture very carefully by the team management. He is the player we can not afford to fade away. In english condition I know he can't be lethal with his cutter but whats bother me is that his inability of bowling in accurate line and length. He used to famous for that. Before the injury he could bowl good yorker but he has not bowled that many in lately. Though he got his first wicket in CT by a glorious yorker delivery. I am sure he will be back again raring to unleash his venomous bowling.

 

[bujhee kom]

Taskin is gifted but Fizz is a wizard. He is like Akram but a little slower. Plus he has a cutter Akram cant compete with.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Taskin is gifted but Fizz is a wizard. He is like Akram but a little slower. Plus he has a cutter Akram cant compete with.

Talk about overrating someone.. Mustafizur is a very good bowler but isn't even worth the dirt on Wasim Akrams 30 year old shoes.

 

[Mainul]

A very good post. Thanks for making it thorough and detailed.

I agree on the fact that Taskin needs to change his action. While it is no longer dubious, I personally feel it is very demanding, very strenuous and the opposite of a free flowing one. If he can make it more smooth, I see him finding a lot more success than he already has.

And while Mustafizur is certainly the better LOI bowler because of his variations, I think Taskin will always have a bigger impact but remain under the shadow of Mustafi.

Preinjury and post injury Mustafizur is a different bowler.Before being injured,Mustafizur was bowling 138 cage, even occasionally 140 plus.He looks a bit down after the post operation rehab.His pace has gone down,his rhythm is not up to his best.But slowly he is getting his mojo back,still a long way to go.It is a very important lesson for him,for any pacer,how to come back postinjury. If he can make himself again the Fizz we know,he will be a more complete bowler.Otherwise,for now batsmen seems to have picked his slower cutter better and playing him better.Pre injury Mustafizur was better than Taskin.But now they are at par.Taskin sometimes get hammered by batsmen,which you will see rarely in case of Mustafizur.Taskin is getting more wickets than Mustafizur now.But still i get more confidence on Mustafizur than Taskin. It is very important for the Bangladeshi team management to use these two golden boys of Bangladesh cricket in a proper way,to look after them carefully.

One of the most dangerous thing to do is to change a bowler's action.Most of the time you will see that the bowler will loose his venom and effectiveness.It will be better to keep Takin's action where it is now.He has already gone through remedial process,once more means he will be in jeopardy.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

A very good post. Thanks for making it thorough and detailed.

I agree on the fact that Taskin needs to change his action. While it is no longer dubious, I personally feel it is very demanding, very strenuous and the opposite of a free flowing one. If he can make it more smooth, I see him finding a lot more success than he already has.

And while Mustafizur is certainly the better LOI bowler because of his variations, I think Taskin will always have a bigger impact but remain under the shadow of Mustafi.

Taskin's action was never dubious. In fact on his debut match, Wasim Akram on commentary said he had a "good action". He was banned most likely due to testing error (either with instrumentation) or on protocol.

He is bowling with virtually the exact same action now, with the same degree of flexure despite spending 6 months on "remedial" work. ICC's diagnostic procedures are likely very poor in both sensitivity and specifity. Brian Vitori failed, passed, and again failed the bowling test in a span of 10 months which proves the test cannot reliably measure what it is supposed to measure.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Taskin's action was never dubious. In fact on his debut match, Wasim Akram on commentary said he had a "good action". He was banned most likely due to testing error (either with instrumentation) or on protocol.

He is bowling with virtually the exact same action now, with the same degree of flexure despite spending 6 months on "remedial" work. ICC's diagnostic procedures are likely very poor in both sensitivity and specifity. Brian Vitori failed, passed, and again failed the bowling test in a span of 10 months which proves the test cannot reliably measure what it is supposed to measure.

Well, that's good. I like him anyway.

 

[BD-fan]

You don't produce Fizz. It is a once in a lifetime deal. After the first IPL that English County cricket did him in. The injury, operation, change of action, trying to get him back before he is ready, recovery has been very slow. MGMT didn't handle him well. Before the injury, the 20 year old could crank up 140+ with ease. Then without changing action would bowl at 120. That is a death sentence for any batsman who can't spot the slower ball from the fast ball.

Now, after the injury, I saw him only handful of times bowling 140s. Just one or two delivery in a match. He still has his cutter. But speed you can't compensate. He would need more time to get back to where he was.
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As for Taskin. You can produce bowlers like that. Train them hard.
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To me, one is naturally gifted (Similar to Messi), the other is a product of hardwork (Ronaldo).

 

[bujhee kom]

You don't produce Fizz. It is a once in a lifetime deal. After the first IPL that English County cricket did him in. The injury, operation, change of action, trying to get him back before he is ready, recovery has been very slow. MGMT didn't handle him well. Before the injury, the 20 year old could crank up 140+ with ease. Then without changing action would bowl at 120. That is a death sentence for any batsman who can't spot the slower ball from the fast ball.

Now, after the injury, I saw him only handful of times bowling 140s. Just one or two delivery in a match. He still has his cutter. But speed you can't compensate. He would need more time to get back to where he was.
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As for Taskin. You can produce bowlers like that. Train them hard.
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To me, one is naturally gifted (Similar to Messi), the other is a product of hardwork (Ronaldo).

Perfect summary.

 

[KamranDestiny]

I honestly think Mustafiz is still way ahead of Taskin, and will become and remain one the best in the world for the next few years.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Well, that's good. I like him anyway.

I know. I just like to repeat that bit about his ridiculous suspension ad infinitum as I am still shocked about the news to this day.

Its like finding out Santa isnt real.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Suleiman]

Always liked Taskin. He has the build of a fast bowler and has the variety and effectiveness. Best BD pacer in recent memory.

 

[sweep_shot]

Taskin all the way.

Mustafiz should be dropped.