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he tells you that he reads PakPassion regularly. Reads threads and all the interviews. In fact he referred to interviews with players over the years that PakPassion has done, where even I had forgotten we had done those interviews :)

Lovely to interview Mickey yesterday and then chat with him at length about many things cricket related.

Really passionate guy, very friendly, wants Pakistan cricket to succeed, he wants to encourage professionalism, he wants to weed out the trash and wants to be remembered as a successful coach and not someone who got paid well and did nothing.
 
He's been a better coach than others in the recent past. You see change, albeit slow, but there's change. Hope he does stay until WC 2019 at least.
 
Good to see that he reads the posts here. Like the person above said, he has been a better coach than anyone we've had in the recent past. What do people expect him to do when inzi the revolutionay gives him rubbish like Azhar and shehzad
 
Mickey if you are reading this, please don't open with Azhar and Shehzad. That is a one-way ticket to destination defeat.
 
Keep up the hard work Mickey, forget the professional critics and 24/7 detractors who've nothing better to do.

The sending home of Umar Akmal sends a strong message to the slackers - fitness and discipline is non-negotiable under this new regime. On the WI tour our fielding was noticeably much improved so the hard work behind the scenes is paying off.

Arthur needs to be more ruthless with the non-performers now. I understand after the Australia debacle he doesn't want to make radical changes too soon - but there is a lot of deadwood in this ODI team.

Hopefully with a break from international cricket this summer he'll be able to more closely assess the younger, domestic talents who can replace some of the current bunch, which he hasn't had a chance to do since joining with so many international commitments.
 
Mickey, please open with hafeez and shehzad/ fakhar, with babar coming at 3 and Haris at 4 (Haris is an awesome batsman mashallah, watch some of his batting videos).
 
PP posters have some great suggestions on how to make Pakistan a better team

A hope Mickey learns something from this forum
 
Well to be honest mickey suffered from loss of Sharjeel ... had that saga not happened today our ODI team would have been at different level .
Yet even only Azhar , Hafeez are liabilities in ODI team except that its fine.
Ahmed is there because we are lacking opener in form of sharjeel. Ahmed can play at 90 SR.
CT would be Azhar's last tournament from ODI as he is bound to fail.
Hafeez may even be serves with same fate but that looks impossible yet ... it will depend upon how he bats.
Otherwise our team is fine.
Basically above mentioned 2 plyers are in our top 4 while other teams have best possible batsman playing at those positions so it makes things look worse
 
Mickey has done a good job since taking over. Our fielding has improved and the younger players have shown good progress.

It's not easy being the coach of Pakistan, taking charge of a volatile team with a lot of politics in play.
 
Brilliant to hear that Arthur reads our posts and follows the forum.

He is one of the better coaches we have had recently. Hopefully he is given the freedom to succeed.
 
[MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] what are his views on
1. Sadaf hussain
2. Aamir yamin
3. Usama Mir
 
I just hope after reading on pp he will be convinced to drop azhar ali, ahmed shezad and hafeez. Those 3 are a disaster.

Azhar should stick to tests.
 
idrizzy said:
He's been a better coach than others in the recent past. You see change, albeit slow, but there's change. Hope he does stay until WC 2019 at least.
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not really. no. what is this habit of posters if someone mentions this forum all of a sudden a brigade of defending performance all of a sudden. No. The performance has NOT been up to par.
 
PennOne said:
not really. no. what is this habit of posters if someone mentions this forum all of a sudden a brigade of defending performance all of a sudden. No. The performance has NOT been up to par.
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I agree with you, but what you must understand is that we've seen a lot more debutants and younger players during the past year than other coaches. After Misbah, Tests will be tough but that's a new challenge. In ODIs our dynamic was better up until Sharjeel got himself in a debacle. T20s we've been good.

We can't be world beaters after just one year, but if MA is giving a chance to younger players, and they're reaping the rewards, you can't say that's a bad investment.

My main goal now is to have a team ready for WC19 which can compete vs England/Australia. So far I'd say we'd win 1 every 5 matches against these teams, but with some changes we can become a better side. I think after CT, MA will have a better view of the team and time to not only assess the squad, but other options too.
 
PennOne said:
not really. no. what is this habit of posters if someone mentions this forum all of a sudden a brigade of defending performance all of a sudden. No. The performance has NOT been up to par.
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performance is in the hands of players not coach.

The only way a coach could influence performance from player and team is keeping strict rules regarding fitness.

Arthur has taken a stance on fitness that no one in the past has dared to do so.

Because Arthur is a foreigner, he is listened to, thus he has taken full advantage of his position, someting which whatmore and others never did bother to.
 
sarmadsl said:
Well to be honest mickey suffered from loss of Sharjeel ... had that saga not happened today our ODI team would have been at different level .
Yet even only Azhar , Hafeez are liabilities in ODI team except that its fine.
Ahmed is there because we are lacking opener in form of sharjeel. Ahmed can play at 90 SR.
CT would be Azhar's last tournament from ODI as he is bound to fail.
Hafeez may even be serves with same fate but that looks impossible yet ... it will depend upon how he bats.
Otherwise our team is fine.
Basically above mentioned 2 plyers are in our top 4 while other teams have best possible batsman playing at those positions so it makes things look worse
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not necessary.


plz stop this drmamybazi of that oh if the player wasnt banned we would had done this and that.

What if Nasir Jamshed got banned in 2012?
 
This guy is going to be the opposite of Bob Woolmer. Will not hessitate to not give a big stick up the players behinds if they slack
 
Good to know MA reads and follows pakpassion...

He is surely one of the better coach that pak had in the recent past.. If you are reading this..

Right now for the champions trophy as the pitches are too flat these days and it is everyday a 300+ run chase in england.. Everything depends on the selection 11 and the batting order u choose.. Pak can still win the trophy with this team if the choice of players and played wisely..

Against india: India is a batting heavy team and they dont like facing pacers, they will milk the spinners example is the match against them in CWC2015 please check the scorecard, so i would even play only one of Shadab or Imad.. Use Wahab as a trump card in the middle overs which is 16-30 and not as a first change bowler..

hafeez, shehzad, Babar, Sarfraz , Malik, Imad, Shadab, hasan ali, amir, wahab, juniad


Stick with young players and in the near future give a long rope to Umar Amin as opener in ODIs, he was tried before once by whatmore in SA against Philander, Tsotsobe and if Shehzad does well in this tournament keep continuing with him... need to push seniors like Hafeez out slowly as he is already 37...
 
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Mickey bhai please invest in Haris. He will be world class in tests. Just see him thoroughly in nets and I know you are good enough to spot the exceptional ability Haris has.
 
If Mickey reads this forum, he'll use the genius idea of opening with Sarfraz and Fakhar, while playing Imad at 6. This way, we don't have Hafeez, Shehzad or Azhar in the lineup.

(Please do it Mickey...!) :bm
 
Mickey please...get some hitters in. You know, I know, everyone here knows we need a few hitters, have - a - go - type of players in our top six.
Please try a few in one of those meaningless T20 internationals and gradually phase 'em into Odis...
Hey, you're a Kings coach, hell u can surely find some in a metropolis that is Karachi.
 
Major said:
not necessary.


plz stop this drmamybazi of that oh if the player wasnt banned we would had done this and that.

What if Nasir Jamshed got banned in 2012?
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Sharjeel khans reputation has skyrocketed. You would think he was a 100 average player winning us games singlehandedly

In any case getting players banned or missing is part and parcel of being Pakistan coach
 
That means Mickey has read my thread already - on how CT is a big test for him. :najam

Well, I have one advice - stop supporting and selecting players like Shehzad, Azhar, Malik, Hafeez etc!
 
Sarfarazian92 said:
Aren't you pro-hafeez?
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Not really, he's just a lesser evil among the seniors - better bat and a bowler, so very utility player.

The fans of other seniors :malik mistake me pointing out a 'lesser evil' fact as 'supporting' him. The seniors have to be booted out.
 
Not praising Mickey Arthur cause he reads the threads here, :P
But i have always been of the opinion that he's been the guy whose methodology is something Pakistan need to get used to for succeeding or to start getting better.
Once he has set the system of fitness, player roles, attacking cricket and the players have come to show it, I feel like it will be the the point Pakistan Cricket (LOI esp) will start peaking after 2-3 decades.

His methodology may have failed in Aus cause they already had a system and structure in place and weren't accustomed to Arthur's disciplinary approach. But for Pakistan he could be the guy who could turn over our fortunes.
 
Hawkeye said:
Not really, he's just a lesser evil among the seniors - better bat and a bowler, so very utility player.

The fans of other seniors :malik mistake me pointing out a 'lesser evil' fact as 'supporting' him. The seniors have to be booted out.
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I think seniors that perform should be kept, and yes that includes :malik if we look at performances in the past couple years. But yes, we should invest in the future for sure.
 
Mickey is a good coach.

It's the first time you see someone stick to his guns with regards to fitness.

I mean he's fighting a real uphill battle when someone actually thought it was appropriate to select Umar Akmal.
 
Slog said:
Sharjeel khans reputation has skyrocketed. You would think he was a 100 average player winning us games singlehandedly

In any case getting players banned or missing is part and parcel of being Pakistan coach
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While I agree Sharjeel wouldn't have made us a world-beating team in any universe, yet he was becoming a mighty fine opener for Pakistan. And consistent too even with his unorthodox technique. Losing Sharjeel has a massive effect on an already struggling team. We have had to go back to nobodies like Azhar Ali for instance.

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Mickey Arthur should rid of Hafeez, Azhar and Shehzad in limited overs. These guys are shame to modern one day cricket which he talks about.
 
Like I said, he needs to be there till the 2019 world cup...

Funny is the thing; how people have changed there views.
 
Major said:
not necessary.


plz stop this drmamybazi of that oh if the player wasnt banned we would had done this and that.

What if Nasir Jamshed got banned in 2012?
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Wellevery one has a point how dare u call dramy bazi ??? You can disagree but not the way you are doing
 
Mr. Arthur, select this 11 for the series against Sri lanka

Sahibzada Farhan
Shrajeel
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Imad
Yamin
Fahim
Shadab
Amir
Hassan

Yamin and Fahim to bowl 10 overs
 
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Mickeys next target after umar akmal should be shehzad.. either score runs at fast pace or just go away..
 
Hawkeye said:
By that logic, it only includes one senior who has been good against all the sides consistently. Guess what, it's not who you emoji'd!

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...minnow-bashers-from-the-others-Shocking-stats!

Like I said - lesser evil!
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Hm his average of 36, SR 86 is still good. He's been more of a vital role, due to his ability to score runs even against minnows, so he'll be in the team. He's made more match winning knocks than any other player, regardless if it's minnows (as surely other players should be able to the same as what Malik did).

Form has been good to both Hafeez and Malik, so it's a good sign for us heading into CT. They both have no excuses.

Like I said we're all on the same boat when it comes to wanting the best for Pak cricket. I don't think we'll see the end of seniors even if they fail, we'll see the end of them if they fail in a series after CT.
 
@Saj
I'm a bit surprised that you are surprised!

When Bob Woolmer was the coach I'd send him a short email and he'd reply with a long one!

These guys are very limited in terms of their sounding boards with respect to Pakistan cricket. Mickey can trust Steve Rixon but everybody beyond that - Inzamam or Mushtaq Ahmed or Wasim Bari or Azhar Mahmood - has their own complex chain of affiliations and loyalties.

I think Mickey has done an amazing job. Without any disloyalty or disrespect he has now reduced the average age of the Test team by 5 years. He is getting rid of the dead wood.

And he's playing a very smart game with Umar Akmal. He knows that he is bone idle but potentially the only world class Batsman apart from Babar Azam. But he also knows that the indulgence of Inzamam got him back in the squad. So he has sent him a message by way of his ejection, but totally unaccompanied by threats or menaces. No discussion at all. Just "the fitness threshold is set at this level, either you're in or you're out".
 
Mickey Arthur has been a good coach for the Pakistan team, however he needs some shaking up to do, especially the bowlers and batsmen who think they are irreplaceable need to be told their place in the team is not always a 100% definite..
 
Micky is a drama queen for media to show the frustration. Why can't he direct say no to some of the TTFs in our squad (Hafeez, Shehzad, Azhar. Wahab).
 
I will not be surprised if Micky will get sacked after CT failure. He can't go far with too many dead woods
 
Mickey hasn't had any respite since taking over

England Series

West Indies Series

NZ series

Aus series

West Indies series again

now Champions Trophy

The only respite he has had our the WI tours but even then he hasn't had the opportunity to hold a full fledged training camp, off season camp where everyone has time to assess the missing weak links, work on technical things.

He needs a respite of 3-4 months atleast where all the tough tours are over
 
Micky for the love of everything that you hold Holy mate.....Please don't open with Azhar....
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Micky for the love of everything that you hold Holy mate.....Please don't open with Azhar....
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My understanding is that Azhar was bought in under the assumption that negotiating the new ball in swinging, seaming conditions for the first 10-15 overs would be tricky. But i believe because this is the champions trophy, the wickets are going to be super flat.
 
Junaids said:
@Saj
I'm a bit surprised that you are surprised!

When Bob Woolmer was the coach I'd send him a short email and he'd reply with a long one!

These guys are very limited in terms of their sounding boards with respect to Pakistan cricket. Mickey can trust Steve Rixon but everybody beyond that - Inzamam or Mushtaq Ahmed or Wasim Bari or Azhar Mahmood - has their own complex chain of affiliations and loyalties.

I think Mickey has done an amazing job. Without any disloyalty or disrespect he has now reduced the average age of the Test team by 5 years. He is getting rid of the dead wood.

And he's playing a very smart game with Umar Akmal. He knows that he is bone idle but potentially the only world class Batsman apart from Babar Azam. But he also knows that the indulgence of Inzamam got him back in the squad. So he has sent him a message by way of his ejection, but totally unaccompanied by threats or menaces. No discussion at all. Just "the fitness threshold is set at this level, either you're in or you're out".
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You tend to get a fair amount of stick around here but your insight needs to be respected, I can confirm your assessment that Mickey Arther wants to get rid of the dead wood. A friend met him in Birmingham recently and he said "I'm trying to push the youth forward within the team" was all smiles, took pictures and some jokes were shared, he also had bought some M and M chocolates ! I presume for stress eating :afridi
 
Savak said:
My understanding is that Azhar was bought in under the assumption that negotiating the new ball in swinging, seaming conditions for the first 10-15 overs would be tricky. But i believe because this is the champions trophy, the wickets are going to be super flat.
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The ineptness of PCB is beyond me. Arguably, England possess the fattest pitches of the world and any Tom, Dick and Harry should be able to negotiate the new ball without too much problem.
 
shaz619 said:
You tend to get a fair amount of stick around here but your insight needs to be respected, I can confirm your assessment that Mickey Arther wants to get rid of the dead wood. A friend met him in Birmingham recently and he said "I'm trying to push the youth forward within the team" was all smiles, took pictures and some jokes were shared, he also had bought some M and M chocolates ! I presume for stress eating :afridi
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Here's the picture [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] ! [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

He was asked about Fahim and Mickey said he was impressed with him and that he was trying to push youth in the team. My friend joked that about time we chased a score above 320, Mickey laughed and said it was about time you're right. Then my friend asked him about our tournament prospects and he sought of laughed a little awkwardly so my friend said going past the group stages would be great and Mickey was like yeah it would be a great tournament if we can make it to the knock out stage. Top top coach and amazing bloke, we're lucky to have him; I have faith he will take Pakistan cricket forward!

Then my friend also met Steve Rixon, didn't manage to get a photo with him but they spoke shortly and Rixon said the team is in good shape! and my mate said as he walked off he was sure Rixon said to me Salamalaikum !! :))
 

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Mickey looks like an angel when he smiles and when he's angry the devil [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] :))) [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] Love his passion and like [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] said he's not here just for a pay check or free loading
 
shaz619 said:
He was asked about Fahim and Mickey said he was impressed with him and that he was trying to push youth in the team. My friend joked that about time we chased a score above 320, Mickey laughed and said it was about time you're right. Then my friend asked him about our tournament prospects and he sought of laughed a little awkwardly so my friend said going past the group stages would be great and Mickey was like yeah it would be a great tournament if we can make it to the knock out stage. Top top coach and amazing bloke, we're lucky to have him; I have faith he will take Pakistan cricket forward!

Then my friend also met Steve Rixon, didn't manage to get a photo with him but they spoke shortly and Rixon said the team is in good shape! and my mate said as he walked off he was sure Rixon said to me Salamalaikum !! :))
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Brilliant stuff ! It was quite a coup, given Pakistan's situation, to attract a coach of the calibre of Arthur. He is the man to take Pakistan cricket forward.
 
Slog said:
Sharjeel khans reputation has skyrocketed. You would think he was a 100 average player winning us games singlehandedly

In any case getting players banned or missing is part and parcel of being Pakistan coach
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Exactly.

In pakistan cricket you are better off doing corruptpion and getting banned . Atleast you end being remembered as a great player :))
 
Absolutely amazing that the Pakistan Head Coach finds PP as a good source of info! Should make other news sources hang their heads in shame!
 
Savak said:
My understanding is that Azhar was bought in under the assumption that negotiating the new ball in swinging, seaming conditions for the first 10-15 overs would be tricky. But i believe because this is the champions trophy, the wickets are going to be super flat.
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Judging by how the pitches are doing in this tournament, I don't think all will be super flat, you can see in the warmups team getting bowled out for low scores trying to go after the bowlers... it won't be sunshine and rainbows, I think some attritional cricket can work in favor of Pakistan if pitches are swinging
 
MenInG said:
Absolutely amazing that the Pakistan Head Coach finds PP as a good source of info! Should make other news sources hang their heads in shame!
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Whats the point of reading good information when you don't act on it.
 
ask him to bring in ASIF immediately then



Saj said:
he tells you that he reads PakPassion regularly. Reads threads and all the interviews. In fact he referred to interviews with players over the years that PakPassion has done, where even I had forgotten we had done those interviews :)

Lovely to interview Mickey yesterday and then chat with him at length about many things cricket related.

Really passionate guy, very friendly, wants Pakistan cricket to succeed, he wants to encourage professionalism, he wants to weed out the trash and wants to be remembered as a successful coach and not someone who got paid well and did nothing.
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I'm a big admirer of CMA and have said so in other threads. I also don't think his work will show up in results on the field immediately.

CMA can change the culture, but eventually the players themselves have to want it. If the players care about winning, they will win. If they care about fixing, or personal glory or stats, then that is what they will get.

Cricket is unusual as a team sport in that it focuses so much on the individual as much as the team, and every individual is important on their own rather than in the role they play. This isn't American football where you can get by with one player slacking off and taking plays off-his threat level might be enough for the other team to worry about him regardless. In cricket, every player must focus and do their best.

As others have said, CMA's hard line on fitness is a big key to the puzzle. You've seen the waistlines and bellies on this Pakistan team get smaller over time, and that will lead to better fielding. Once you see that our 4-1 series will start being 3-2 series as the team has less runs to chase, and once the batting culture changes, then you will see us return to the Pakistani teams of old (albeit without idiots who claim to gain weight simply from a bottle of Nestle and who actually prioritize their fitness).

CMA, if you are reading this, keep doing what you're doing and I look forward to you continuing to make bold decisions to advance Pakistani cricket forward. Here's one I would love from you-please sign on Ian Pont as a bowling coach so you can get Amir/Ali/Ashraf's pace up. Having a trio of fast to fast-medium bowlers who can swing at pace will win a lot of matches seeing as no one seems to be able to handle swing these days. It's embarrassing that India has the pace attack we've been growing on trees for the past forty years through hard work, stats analysis, and a strong focus on fitness.
 
shaz619 said:
Here's the picture

He was asked about Fahim and Mickey said he was impressed with him and that he was trying to push youth in the team. My friend joked that about time we chased a score above 320, Mickey laughed and said it was about time you're right. Then my friend asked him about our tournament prospects and he sought of laughed a little awkwardly so my friend said going past the group stages would be great and Mickey was like yeah it would be a great tournament if we can make it to the knock out stage. Top top coach and amazing bloke, we're lucky to have him; I have faith he will take Pakistan cricket forward!

Then my friend also met Steve Rixon, didn't manage to get a photo with him but they spoke shortly and Rixon said the team is in good shape! and my mate said as he walked off he was sure Rixon said to me Salamalaikum !! :))
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[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION] See post 52
 
Micky has done reasonably well. Champions trophy though is the acid test.
Azhar at Open and Hafeez at 4 is not going to get Pakistan the strike rates we need to compete. Fakhar and harris should replace those two. Pakistan won the 5th one day in england with Malik at 4 and Sarfaraz at 5, those two must bat 4 and 5. You could put harris at 6 and Fakahr to open with Ahmed. This probably will not happen but at the least its time to give fakhar a go. I hope Micky is reading. Good luck Pakistan.
 
i hope u have dodged team india by announcing the 12 member squad and will play Haris and Junaid in place of Azhar and Wahab tomorrow.

If you are going to sit haris fakhar junaid then even an amir or babar individual brilliance couldnt get you a win...which is what i think.... Mickey seems to be very knowledgeable in cricket but his actions are exactly the opposite.
 
With Azhar Shehzad Hafeez and wahab in you are playing a handicapped match 7 vs 11... as the runs scored, SR, catches dropped, runs given by these 4 will benefit the opponents and gift them the match on a platter... eventually selection of these 4 will be the major difference....
 
Major said:
not necessary.


plz stop this drmamybazi of that oh if the player wasnt banned we would had done this and that.

What if Nasir Jamshed got banned in 2012?
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Its unfair to say we have not suffered from the loss of Sharjeel. He was the only modern opener fit for ODIs so definitely Mickey has suffered. Sharjeel was one of the few batsmen you could count on to atleast give a decent start and ensure the pressure was not on the middle order because of 15 (35) which is something which an Azhar Ali or Shehzad are likely to do.
 
junaid has been the bowler who gets the early breakthrough ever since his comeback from the Aus series... why u drop him when you dont have another seamer to pair with amir in england..... ur team selections are baffling...

do u still see imad as a wicket taking bowler... opening the bowling with him in overcast conditions...
 
continue to keep selecting azhar, shehzad and hafeez ... you will fail as a team and you will add one more failure to your CV of coaching career... soon will be sacked by PCB too...
 
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