That over by Sarfaraz Ahmed!

[ask_analyse_act]

Nothing wrong with rejoicing, but only in Pakistan will a thread be created for a batsman hitting a part-timer for 21 runs in an over.

Let him enjoy that over... Yes why not because pakistan's score in first 15 overs in this tournament was not more than 50 runs and not less than 3 wickets so far...But some ppl here in pp have stomach burning because they either cant swallow or cant digest the fact that their predictions and judgement with sarfraz has gone bad and hit very low.. And sarfraz silenced those critics and they are now stomach burning, dont know where to keep their faces to..Hope u r not that "someone"...

 

[waleed88]

Shot yaaaaar! - Shane Pollock

 

[Yassar7khalil]

I made a valid point and no one replied back to that.

Why are few posters taking this thread in the wrong way. No one is saying safaraz is a saviour, no one said he played an amazing innings, then where does we accept mediocrity come from?. OP said he enjoyed that over, few sixes you know, normal for other teams but not for us, I was surprised and excited and yes even if it was a part timer. But please just because somebody enjoys a few sixes
It doesn't mean that our standard is low.

 

[Uzair Gooner]

Sarfraz Ahmad! Its the mindset that matters!!!!

Title said it all, its not his batting but his mindset & intent that matters!!

He is easily the smartest batsman we have & it shows in the way he handles himself
Just have a look at how he was batting out of his crease to cover up the seam & swing of Styne & Abbot but as soon as Morkel came inro the attack he moved back into the crease to cover his pace & bounce.

He is probably the only modern day batsman we have, may not be as talented as Umer or Shehzad but the way he attacked the weakest link in South African is refreshing to see.

Hope to see more of this, we can only hope that some of our mare "Talented" batsmen pick up to what he is doing...

 

[www787]

Mamoon! your posts are becoming Nuisance on a cricket forum where people discuss cricket related topics, and Yes! 16th over was a turning point of the match with the help of Sarfraz Ahmed. But if you are just tolling....enjoy.

 

[bones]

I'm struggling to understand the bitterness of Mamoon. He hasn't read the OP and he hasn't bothered to argue any of the points made.

I agree with most, it's refreshing to see someone target the opposition and execute. Sometimes you end up looking stupid if you fail. But this was an occasion where the assault was calculated and to the benefit of the team.

I don't class running urgently as throwing your wicket away. Urgent running and strike rotation is one of the biggest deficiencies in Pakistan's game right now so I'm glad finally someone is doing something about it at the top.

It is only one match and with the low standards set by Nasir Jamshed it's easy to get carried away, but this is a pleasant start. Hopefully he kicks on in the next game and hopefully in the knockout stages.

As for Mamoon, you need to stop being a miserable snob and trying to bash everyone for having an opinion.

 

[Mamoon]

Once again you need to go back and learn how the game of cricket is played. Granted Sarfraz made a mistake and ran hismelf out but the batting doesn't end there. Sarfraz already did a really good job after being sidelined for 4 matches and then the management made him open against the attack of likes of Steyn and Morkel. 49 is not bad. The piling of runs continues. It's a team effort. Umar should chip in with contribution and Maqsood should chip in with his contribution. Why should Sarfraz be solely accountable for the team's total? It's a collective effort. You can't play a one team army innings all the time.

Load of rubbish.

Umar and Maqsood's failures have nothing to do with Sarfraz throwing his wicket away, for which there is no justification. He was unconvincing early on but did well to stamp his authority on part-timers, but then failed to do anything with it. 49 is a nothing score when you are well set against Duminy and de Villiers.

The problem is that Jamshed has set the bar so low for Sarfraz that his 49 looks like 149 now.

 

[Frank Underwood]

What escalated quickly is falling into the same trap again.

Been hearing for 6 years that Umar will learn, but he is still an idiot.

Maqsood keeps getting worse.

But no, Sarfraz will learn with time.

I have no reason to believe so, and since he's a Pakistani, there is everyone reason to believe that he'll regress with time, given our track-record with young batsmen.

One match of getting run out, whereas the other two get out by simply slogging for boundaries and swinging away at every ball, and they are exactly the same.

I think you should stop posting. If you are simply going to be negative and give no context whatsoever, then what is the point? You are trying to educate the masses on what?

We all know Pakistan doesn't have world class talent. We all know that those who could have been world class, such as Umar, are now just sloggers at best. We all know our bowling attack is nothing to take home about and Mo Amir coming back, as long as he is fit, it still probably our best bowler. We all know this team isn't winning the WC. We all know this team has no real special talent coming up.

We know all of these things.

What we don't know, is how X or Y player will do by Pakistani standards based on, in this case, one match.

I honestly believe Sarfraz could have reached a century yesterday and you would have had something negative to say, because you are so upset that he actually did pretty well for his first match in the WC when you said he would only be marginally better than Jamshed.

You think everyone thinks and lives in this fallacy that Pakistan has great players, and you are the saviour to educate us all because we are not smart enough to see what is there.

Of course some individuals will be blinded, but we don't need you to tell the majority who see it for what it is, what is already there. Thank you for this service which you think you provide, but you are educating no one.

You yourself have been wrong numerous times, so don't act infallible. It is not a great situation by any means, but it isn't let us be a hyperbole on one end to try and be devils advocate either.

Simply being negative, and not actually giving an analysis isn't educating anyone, it is simply picking the side no one is on to stand out on a forum.

 

[Mamoon]

Sarfraz has made a habit of throwing his wicket away. I don't see what makes him different to Umar and Maqsood.

He's better at playing spin but much worse at playing pace. That's about it.

 

[bones]

Yes, 49 runs followed by a brain-**** to end your innings is equivalent to silencing your critics.

Then we wonder why Pakistan cricket continues to regress. Taking a look at the standards we have established for ourselves will certainly help.

It was an ordinary effort by Sarfraz, because he failed to convert a decent start into something big and got dismissed in imbecile fashion, which seems to have become a norm for him.

It was an ordinary effort, but it was better than the shyte we've had to deal with recently. It's a step in the right direction and that is what most people are happy about. Finally someone at the top giving us a start and at a good strike rate. I like many was starting to get fed up with the ultra negative go slow approach without any intent to move the scoreboard along.

You see it as brainless, but I hope he and the others continue to try and push the fielders hard.

 

[osee_bhai]

I'm struggling to understand the bitterness of Mamoon. He hasn't read the OP and he hasn't bothered to argue any of the points made.

I agree with most, it's refreshing to see someone target the opposition and execute. Sometimes you end up looking stupid if you fail. But this was an occasion where the assault was calculated and to the benefit of the team.

I don't class running urgently as throwing your wicket away. Urgent running and strike rotation is one of the biggest deficiencies in Pakistan's game right now so I'm glad finally someone is doing something about it at the top.

It is only one match and with the low standards set by Nasir Jamshed it's easy to get carried away, but this is a pleasant start. Hopefully he kicks on in the next game and hopefully in the knockout stages.

As for Mamoon, you need to stop being a miserable snob and trying to bash everyone for having an opinion.

Agreed, the calculated assault often ends up with a bad shot or throwing a wicket away, good to see one of our batsman execute successfully.

 

[Mamoon]

One match of getting run out, whereas the other two get out by simply slogging for boundaries and swinging away at every ball, and they are exactly the same.

I think you should stop posting. If you are simply going to be negative and give no context whatsoever, then what is the point? You are trying to educate the masses on what?

We all know Pakistan doesn't have world class talent. We all know that those who could have been world class, such as Umar, are now just sloggers at best. We all know our bowling attack is nothing to take home about and Mo Amir coming back, as long as he is fit, it still probably our best bowler. We all know this team isn't winning the WC. We all know this team has no real special talent coming up.

We know all of these things.

What we don't know, is how X or Y player will do by Pakistani standards based on, in this case, one match.

I honestly believe Sarfraz could have reached a century yesterday and you would have had something negative to say, because you are so upset that he actually did pretty well for his first match in the WC when you said he would only be marginally better than Jamshed.

You think everyone thinks and lives in this fallacy that Pakistan has great players, and you are the saviour to educate us all because we are not smart enough to see what is there.

Of course some individuals will be blinded, but we don't need you to tell the majority who see it for what it is, what is already there. Thank you for this service which you think you provide, but you are educating no one.

You yourself have been wrong numerous times, so don't act infallible. It is not a great situation by any means, but it isn't let us be a hyperbole on one end to try and be devils advocate either.

Simply being negative, and not actually giving an analysis isn't educating anyone, it is simply picking the side no one is on to stand out on a forum.

Again, gobbledygook and patronizing tone to put your point across, when you don't really have a point.

You once again failed to address the issue and I will ask you again:

Why should we expect different results from Sarfraz?

Who said throw him out of the team? My point is that he needs to held accountable for throwing it away, but the praise that he's receiving suggests that he couldn't have done better today.

That's exactly the sort of attitude that makes our players get worse with time - the overrating of their performances which in turn results in the players overrating themselves.

Do you think Sarfraz at the moment would be miffed about the way he threw it away OR would he be basking in the glory of winning the MOM award?

If its the former, there is still hope for him, but if it is the latter, than there is only one way his career will go from here.

 

[osee_bhai]

I made a valid point and no one replied back to that.

Why are few posters taking this thread in the wrong way. No one is saying safaraz is a saviour, no one said he played an amazing innings, then where does we accept mediocrity come from?. OP said he enjoyed that over, few sixes you know, normal for other teams but not for us, I was surprised and excited and yes even if it was a part timer. But please just because somebody enjoys a few sixes
It doesn't mean that our standard is low.

He only chooses to respond back to tangent arguments, without actually digesting what most people are saying.

 

[TNA]

Load of rubbish.

Umar and Maqsood's failures have nothing to do with Sarfraz throwing his wicket away, for which there is no justification. He was unconvincing early on but did well to stamp his authority on part-timers, but then failed to do anything with it. 49 is a nothing score when you are well set against Duminy and de Villiers.

The problem is that Jamshed has set the bar so low for Sarfraz that his 49 looks like 149 now.

I never said Umar and Maqsood's failure have anything to with Sarfraz's dismissal. Re-read my post again. I was speaking about team effort. Making your contribution count. Sarfraz played his part it's time for the batsman next to come to play their part. Never have I said one thing caused the other. Stop reading posts with pre-conceived notions.

What Jamshed and Younis couldn't collectively do in 6 matches Sarfraz showed in one match so it's understandable the reaction is going to be positive since no one was expecting Sarfraz to come good. He did come good comparive to Jamshed. Sarfraz ain't world beater but he is definitely better than Jamshed in batting. 49 doesn't look like 149 by the way it looks like 49 to me.

 

[bones]

Everyone agree that Mamoon has gone off topic completely?

Now that more and more people are exposing his horrible and negative attitude he's getting more and more defensive.

The OP praised the intent, the intent to attack, that's the bottomline. But Mamoon seems to have a habit of wanting to argue in every single thread just for the sake of arguing.

Best to ignore such people.

 

[Frank Underwood]

Again, gobbledygook and patronizing tone to put your point across, when you don't really have a point.

You once again failed to address the issue and I will ask you again:

Why should we expect different results from Sarfraz?

Who said throw him out of the team? My point is that he needs to held accountable for throwing it away, but the praise that he's receiving suggests that he couldn't have done better today.

That's exactly the sort of attitude that makes our players get worse with time - the overrating of their performances which in turn results in the players overrating themselves.

Do you think Sarfraz at the moment would be miffed about the way he threw it away OR would he be basking in the glory of winning the MOM award?

If its the former, there is still hope for him, but if it is the latter, than there is only one way his career will go from here.

So, you are the epitome of patronization, and yet, you try to point the finger at me? Interesting. I see how you are very upset that you are wrong, and now, instead of actually responding, you post nonsense, and once again, insinuations that never occurred.

Why should we expect different results from Sarfraz? Oh, well, I didn't realize we should expect the same from every player on our team, especially after one match. What you're trying to say is all Pakistani players fall into the same mould? Got it. So you believe all our players are the same, and in this case based on one run out.

Who is not holding him accountable? It was a stupid run. Obviously wanted his fifty and got carried away, but I won't lump him in with Umar and Maqsood based on one brain ****, whereas the latter (Umar more so) have done it on a consistent basis.

When have I overrated his performance? Or, wait, is this a shot at all of PP or me personally? If it is PP, don't ask me the question, ask PP in general, because I saw it for what it was, a quickfire 49, solid keeping, but an innings he needs to build from and not set himself as a low standard. Lot of work to do but good signs especially against a good attack in his first WC match, in a pressure situation.

As for the miffed or glory of winning MOM.. Do either of us know Sarfraz? I don't. I won't make an insinuation. You talk of gobbledygook, and yet you ask me what Sarfraz is thinking?

I have no idea where his mind is at, and I won't make a finite conclusion based on one run out, in his first WC match. It's an asinine and in fact appalling argument you are making here.

 

[coy0607]

Incredible over- not only changed the match, but also the tune with which Pakistan had been playing in this WC

 

[zulfiqar]

Was a wonderful display of bravery in an otherwise timid mindset of our top order batsmen! Loved it

 

[Mamoon]

I have gone off-topic because my original post hit a nerve, or two perhaps.

So let me restate:

I think its extremely poor to make a thread for one good over against a part-timer and praise the intent and attitude which lead him to throw his wicket away in premature fashion and cost the team a good 30-40 runs. Yes everyone's responsible, but when you are set you have to cash in, not gift your wicket away.

Sarfraz's attitude is nothing new, it is what we have been seeing from glorified sloggers like Umar and Maqsood for a while now. The intent isn't the problem; its the lack of execution.

Unfortunately, Sarfraz is going along the same lines as Umar and Maqsood. Nothing the first time has thrown it away in ODI cricket and at this rate, won't be the last time.

We would be better off on focusing on that rather than the all-time great 49 he scored today. If he's going to bat like Umar 2.0, there is little reason to be happy about.

We love focusing on the 'positives', and that yields no results in the long-run.

Anyhow, this would be my last post in this thread. No point in being a party crasher.

I'd like a Blu-ray copy of this over so that I can show my grandchildren one day so that they can be in awe of the glory of Sarfraz's positive intent and aggressive attitude.

 

[osee_bhai]

Bye bye Mr. Grinch

 

[Yassar7khalil]

Jeeez, this guys takes everything up the wrong ally.

 

[ramizq1]

That over speaks volumes about Sarfraz's ability in himself. Something you cant say for more members of the squad.

 

[yadunoe]

he is a mentally tough guy he works really hard major respect to the guy

 

[Mamoon]

Romantic thread, but I find him throwing his wicket away at an alarming rate in ODIs.

His brave intent is the stupidity of Umar and Maqsood. How the narrative changes depending on who is involved.

We have seen a few billion threads today to glorify his legendary 49, but I'm yet to see a thread that would pose a question to his restlessness at the crease and his suicidal running, which is a consequence of his over excitement and this is not the first time.

Only in Pakistan would a 49 be celebrated like a double hundred.

Very fine line between bravery and recklessness, which he violated today. Overall a pretty average innings because he failed to make it count.

Waqar being blasted, humble pies being served, haters being proved wrong because he scored 49 runs and then threw his wicket away in imbecile fashion.

Really don't know what to say. Its baffling.

 

[CalculatedRisk]

Of course it was enjoyable, but I find the thought-process here disturbing.

I mean a thread for this? Right up there with a thread for Sarfraz's regulation catch.

Our standards are rock-bottom, and then we get annoyed at the idea that we are slowly becoming minnows of cricket.

You know what thought process I find disturbing? It is the thought process of prowling on each thread finding any comment which has a hint of positivity or joy and replying to it with some negative or depressed comment. I mean how negative does one need to be to have the energy to do this every 15 minutes of the day.

 

[fahadshah]

Hit a regular bowler and call him over rated , hit a part timer and call that nothing special ! Pakistani fan logic !


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[fahadshah]

Romantic thread, but I find him throwing his wicket away at an alarming rate in ODIs.

His brave intent is the stupidity of Umar and Maqsood. How the narrative changes depending on who is involved.

We have seen a few billion threads today to glorify his legendary 49, but I'm yet to see a thread that would pose a question to his restlessness at the crease and his suicidal running, which is a consequence of his over excitement and this is not the first time.

Only in Pakistan would a 49 be celebrated like a double hundred.

Very fine line between bravery and recklessness, which he violated today. Overall a pretty average innings because he failed to make it count.

Waqar being blasted, humble pies being served, haters being proved wrong because he scored 49 runs and then threw his wicket away in imbecile fashion.

Really don't know what to say. Its baffling.

Utter nonsense and idiotic answer as usual from you ! The problem lies in your mindset that you want players from certain places and works on an agenda for akmals and maliks !


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[MenInG]

Dont get personal with each other.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Load of rubbish.

Umar and Maqsood's failures have nothing to do with Sarfraz throwing his wicket away, for which there is no justification.

He was unconvincing early on

but did well to stamp his authority on part-timers, but then failed to do anything with it. 49 is a nothing score when you are well set against Duminy and de Villiers.

The problem is that Jamshed has set the bar so low

for Sarfraz that his 49 looks like 149 now.

ok he is unconvincing only, but what has shehzad done so far... they both played in the same game and against same bowlers... yet his good score against a half decent bowling is just 47 in this CWC, leave his 92 against UAE and that too with some drop chances here and there... even the proper regular opener couldnt get it going because they dont have that form and confidence behind them as sarfraz had...technique without temperament hardwork and application is equals to zero talent...dhoni also doesnt have much technique , but he is a player of his own style and yet he is biggest match winner in ODIs ,, having perfect technique doesnt matter when you play well under pressure confidently and applying urselves matters the most..

 

[PowerPlay]

This guy mamoon don't have a real life i think every time i open a thread i see it full of negative post and BS posted by Mamoon i think nobody give him any attention in real life so he seek that attention over internet remaining active 24/7

get a life outside internet dude that will help your brain

 

[Chokli]

Sarfraz dhoka nahi dega

 

[CadPakFan]

Sarfraz dhoka nahi dega

How Sarfraz has changed. A radical opener with many out of the box shots to a poor lower order batsman who always finds a way to get out.