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The oath breakers are never satisfied and the forthcoming 27th Amendment will give them total control of all PKs political discourse. As the Nooras and the PPP will find out and the PTI has found out, the greed and lust for power of the oath breakers has no limits. Short of declaring himself ***, Munir has made himself the establishment and as the establishment has the guns and will kill anyone that gets in their way, he is affectively President for life.

@Major
@The Bald Eagle
@Patriot
@Kianig89


 
The oath breakers are never satisfied and the forthcoming 27th Amendment will give them total control of all PKs political discourse. As the Nooras and the PPP will find out and the PTI has found out, the greed and lust for power of the oath breakers has no limits. Short of declaring himself God,Munir has made himself the army and as the army has the guns and will kill anyone that gets in their way, he is affectively President for life.

@Major
@The Bald Eagle
@Patriot
@Kianig89


This is dangerous. These goons are colluding for power. Such changes should also require the individual state assemblies to also approve by supermajority and a referendum by the public.

These changes will allow them to remove judges they want, appoint their own judges, reduce state autonomy, have more control over state budgets and have their own fucking court system alongside the Supreme Court.
 
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This is dangerous. These goons are colluding for power. Such changes should also require the individual state assemblies to also approve by supermajority and a referendum by the public.

These changes will allow them to remove judges they want, appoint their own judges, reduce state autonomy, have more control over state budgets and have their own fucking court system alongside the Supreme Court.
The fear of IK and PK people has driven the Junta/dynastic mafia mad, to a point that we are going back 50+ years. Munir and the mafia want to play God and with this amendment, they will get unfettered powers. And the disgusting role of Billo and the Sharifs must be condemned as criminal
 
There is a famous scene in Star Wars where
Padme Amidala (played by Natalie Portman) watches as Palpatine is granted emergency powers, effectively turning the Republic into the Galactic Empire and she says “so this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause.”
 
There is a famous scene in Star Wars where
Padme Amidala (played by Natalie Portman) watches as Palpatine is granted emergency powers, effectively turning the Republic into the Galactic Empire and she says “so this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause.”
NS and Billo had this one opportunity to put PK ahead of their desire for more wealth and power. Because they got smashed in the elections they feared that they are toast forever with this generation. However, politics is never predictable and IK might have totally bombed with the all the challenges,and an election down the line, they would be back in play. In street vernacular they shat the bed too early and killed off any chance of PK developing as mature country with this betrayal. The problem for the Junta is simple one- who, whether home grown or Foreign will invest in a country which has absolutely no law and order.
 
Fear makes any person make incredibly stupid and reckless decisions. For any man who has done wrong in his life will always remain in fear of justice, that particular man will go beyond any means to delay justice in hope of avoiding it. This is when the red line of humanity starts thinning to such an extent that humanity is lost.

I agree with OP that current Field Marshall wants to declare himself short of God who can take literally any decision for anyone with no ramifications. With this being said I still believe in people power. People power at the end of the day won in 70s when Bangladesh was created. Today given the current climate where we have KP and Balochistan enraging with distrust, casualities, inhumane killings and lawlessness. I would say to decision makers fear the time when this slips through your hand and with that your promises of minerals to Western Gods.
 
Fear makes any person make incredibly stupid and reckless decisions. For any man who has done wrong in his life will always remain in fear of justice, that particular man will go beyond any means to delay justice in hope of avoiding it. This is when the red line of humanity starts thinning to such an extent that humanity is lost.

I agree with OP that current Field Marshall wants to declare himself short of God who can take literally any decision for anyone with no ramifications. With this being said I still believe in people power. People power at the end of the day won in 70s when Bangladesh was created. Today given the current climate where we have KP and Balochistan enraging with distrust, casualities, inhumane killings and lawlessness. I would say to decision makers fear the time when this slips through your hand and with that your promises of minerals to Western Gods.
I am not sure he believes he is anything but God. When a man feels he has the power of life and death over innocent people, he feels he is God. He swore an oath and broke with glee and has used to abuse a population without weapons
 
The oath breakers are never satisfied and the forthcoming 27th Amendment will give them total control of all PKs political discourse. As the Nooras and the PPP will find out and the PTI has found out, the greed and lust for power of the oath breakers has no limits. Short of declaring himself God,Munir has made himself the army and as the army has the guns and will kill anyone that gets in their way, he is affectively President for life.

@Major
@The Bald Eagle
@Patriot
@Kianig89


Why don't they just pass a resolution for everyone to just prostrate to Asim Munir but then would it satisfy his ego?
 
The fear of IK and PK people has driven the Junta/dynastic mafia mad, to a point that we are going back 50+ years. Munir and the mafia want to play God and with this amendment, they will get unfettered powers. And the disgusting role of Billo and the Sharifs must be condemned as criminal


They are the real problem in my eyes. They are effectively a rubber stamp for the military junta. Personally I would rather just have direct martial law. At least there would be no imbeguity.
 
They are the real problem in my eyes. They are effectively a rubber stamp for the military junta. Personally I would rather just have direct martial law. At least there would be no imbeguity.
The whole PPP and Noora Democracy narrative was a total scam. Both were family businesses and will always remain so.Vote ki Izzat do and Democracy is the best revenge ring worse than hollow when you sit in the lap of dictator and twerk him. And the reason- fear of PK public and IK.
@Major
Where are you bro?
 
Why don't they just pass a resolution for everyone to just prostrate to Asim Munir but then would it satisfy his ego?
Dont worry that will come. Look at the Munafiq TLP, look at the Munafiq Ji and JUI-F, look at the Munafiq media and lawyers, do you think they would say no if he asked.
 
Apparently they will throw the beghairat Billo a bone by "backing down" on the NFC and make this loser look like he fought hard. Such a Munafiq elite. What did we do to deserve these haraaamis
 
No ‘external hand’ behind latest amendment: Dar

As the opposition in the Senate raised alarm over the proposed 27th constitutional amendment, Deputy Prime Minister Ishaq Dar on Tuesday confirmed the bill would be brought before parliament “soon” but insisted it would not be rushed and denied “external hand” in the amendment.

“We will try to present it in accordance with the Constitution. I assure this will not be put to a vote in a flash,” he told the upper house while responding to PTI parliamentary leader Barrister Syed Ali Zafar.

Mr Dar’s remarks came amid a sustained protest by opposition senators over the delay in appointing the leader of the opposition. He said that after the PPP, the government would take all allies on board, including the MQM, ANP, IPP and BAP. “A standard process is being followed,” he said.

The deputy prime minister noted that such amendments typically originate in the National Assembly, but added that if senators wished to see the draft first, he could request that the bill be moved in the Senate.

Brushing aside suggestions that the amendment was coming from “somewhere else”, he said it was being brought by the government. He also supported the opposition’s demand for the immediate appointment of the opposition leader, but said the Senate chairman was supposed to satisfy himself on who commanded a majority.

‘Conspiracy against Constitution’

Earlier, PTI’s Ali Zafar termed the forthcoming 27th Amendment a “conspiracy against the Constitution”.

He said key ministers in television appearances he had taken part in had claimed there was no such amendment in the works.

“This only means either they were telling a lie or were unaware of it. In both cases, it means that someone else is drafting the 27th Amendment for them,” he said, warning that an imminent constitutional crisis had effectively been announced and must be taken up by the Senate.

“Constitutions are not murdered by bullets, but by mala fide amendments made under the guise of reform,” Mr Zafar said.

Calling the Constitution a sacred document, he recalled that on April 10, 1973, when the Constitution was adopted, the then prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto declared that it was “the Constitution of the people of Pakistan, not of one man or one party”.

He said dictators had distorted the 1973 document over the next 37 years, until parliament passed the 18th Amendment in April 2010, restoring the democratic spirit of the Constitution, reviving the parliamentary form of government, strengthening provincial autonomy and safeguarding the independence of the judiciary and the Election Commission.

However, he warned that the proposed 27th Amendment threatened to undo those gains.

The senator alleged it would undermine judicial independence through the creation of constitutional courts, tamper with presidential powers and appointments relating to the armed forces under Article 243, alter the provincial share in the NFC Award by removing the constitutional minimum, and give devolved functions such as education, health and population planning back under federal control.

“All these proposals, as suggested in PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari’s own tweet, strike at the very foundations of our constitutional order, reversing the principles of provincial autonomy, parliamentary supremacy and judicial independence.”

He expressed surprise that, instead of rejecting such proposals, Mr Bhutto-Zardari had outlined them, arguing they contradicted the spirit and legacy of the PPP, whose founders had given Pakistan the 1973 Constitution.

“The question before us is not merely legal, it is moral,” he said. “Will the Peoples Party honour the word it gave to the people in 1973, or once again erase it in the name of expedience?”

He reminded the Senate that JUI-F had previously opposed the creation of any constitutional court and said he hoped both JUI-F and Jamaat-i-Islami would stand with the PTI in opposing the 27th Amendment.

The row over the opposition leader’s appointment surfaced at the outset of proceedings when PTI-backed Senator Azam Swati raised the matter.

The protest over the issue later escalated as PTI senators gathered before the chair’s podium and tore up copies of the agenda. The house echoed with chants of “Go PM go.”

Presiding officer Manzoor Kakar of BAP said the issue did not fall within his jurisdiction. He asked members to return to their seats and assured them of time to speak.

Asaan Karobar Bill

Separately, the House passed the Asaan Karobar Bill, 2025, which aims to streamline the regulatory framework for business, trade and investment by removing cumbersome procedures and outdated requirements.

Already cleared by the National Assembly, the legislation provides for the establishment of a Pakistan Regulatory Registry and a Pakistan Business Portal to serve as a national one-window for government registrations, licences, certifications, and permits.

The bill was moved by MNA Qaiser Ahmed Sheikh, chairman of the Board of Investment.

According to the statement of objects and reasons of the bill, “The modernised regulatory requirements will be integrated through a Pakistan Business Portal, which will serve as a National One-Window facility for the identification and issuance of all government registrations, licences, certifications, and permits.”

The implementation of this initiative “will have several benefits for the economy, including increased investment, job creation and economic growth,” the statement said. “It will also help improve Pakistan’s competitiveness in the global market and attract foreign investors seeking a stable and predictable regulatory environment.”

The Senate also extended the Virtual Assets Ordinance, 2025, for another 120 days. The ordinance, in force since July 8, 2025, establishes a legal framework for regulating cryptocurrencies and other digital assets, including the creation of the Pakistan Virtual Asset Regulatory Authority (PVARA).

The authority’s mandate includes licensing crypto-related entities, issuing and implementing regulations, investigating suspicious transactions, ensuring consumer protection and imposing penalties, suspensions or legal action against non-compliant companies.

DAWN NEWS
 

No vote count issue for 27th Amendment: Vawda​


Senator Faisal Vawda has said that the proposed 27th Constitutional Amendment has sufficient parliamentary support for approval, dismissing concerns over coalition numbers. He also said the 18th Amendment would not be repealed, while adding that discussions had already begun on proposals for a 28th Amendment.

Vawda met Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman at his residence in Islamabad on Wednesday as consultations continued among political parties over the amendment draft.

Speaking to reporters after the meeting, he said, “There is no issue of numbers” for the passage of the 27th Amendment and that Rehman would review and understand the clauses. “Maulana Sahib is very important for Pakistan’s survival and security,” he said, calling the JUI-F chief “a strong politician” playing a major role in the national mainstream.

Vawda said consultations on the amendment were ongoing across political parties, adding that he had already begun work on the next phase. “As the country progresses, amendments will continue to come,” he said.

He stated that measures required for Pakistan’s security and administrative efficiency would be included in the amendment. He mentioned changes related to transfers, postings, and age-related provisions, but stressed that the 18th Amendment was not being rolled back. He said the government was providing Rs2 trillion to the provinces and that consensual adjustments would not be harmful.

Referring to Article 243, Vawda argued that it did not relate only to armed conflict on land. “It also includes economic and cyber fronts,” he said. “If we need to empower all three services, we will do so — we will strengthen them so that defence is secure.”

Read: 27th Amendment — What we know so far

He said the 27th Amendment was likely to pass without difficulty. “If there is any ambiguity, ‘flight on board’ is available,” he remarked. He added that Rehman would make his own decision and described the meeting as part of routine political discussion.

Commenting on party positions, Vawda said the Pakistan Peoples Party was the guarantor of the system and would not allow a rollback. He suggested that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) should be taken into confidence, but said it would be PTI’s choice whether to join consultations.

He also remarked on political alliances, saying the 27th Amendment 'has taken off' and described Asif Ali Zardari as 'a major political player' with a strong political dynamic alongside Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. He welcomed Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Chief Minister Sohail Afridi for 'rising from the grassroots,' and said PTI should engage in 'positive politics' if it wished to be part of the amendment process.

Source: The Express Tribune
 

No vote count issue for 27th Amendment: Vawda​


Senator Faisal Vawda has said that the proposed 27th Constitutional Amendment has sufficient parliamentary support for approval, dismissing concerns over coalition numbers. He also said the 18th Amendment would not be repealed, while adding that discussions had already begun on proposals for a 28th Amendment.

Vawda met Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman at his residence in Islamabad on Wednesday as consultations continued among political parties over the amendment draft.

Speaking to reporters after the meeting, he said, “There is no issue of numbers” for the passage of the 27th Amendment and that Rehman would review and understand the clauses. “Maulana Sahib is very important for Pakistan’s survival and security,” he said, calling the JUI-F chief “a strong politician” playing a major role in the national mainstream.

Vawda said consultations on the amendment were ongoing across political parties, adding that he had already begun work on the next phase. “As the country progresses, amendments will continue to come,” he said.

He stated that measures required for Pakistan’s security and administrative efficiency would be included in the amendment. He mentioned changes related to transfers, postings, and age-related provisions, but stressed that the 18th Amendment was not being rolled back. He said the government was providing Rs2 trillion to the provinces and that consensual adjustments would not be harmful.

Referring to Article 243, Vawda argued that it did not relate only to armed conflict on land. “It also includes economic and cyber fronts,” he said. “If we need to empower all three services, we will do so — we will strengthen them so that defence is secure.”

Read: 27th Amendment — What we know so far

He said the 27th Amendment was likely to pass without difficulty. “If there is any ambiguity, ‘flight on board’ is available,” he remarked. He added that Rehman would make his own decision and described the meeting as part of routine political discussion.

Commenting on party positions, Vawda said the Pakistan Peoples Party was the guarantor of the system and would not allow a rollback. He suggested that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) should be taken into confidence, but said it would be PTI’s choice whether to join consultations.

He also remarked on political alliances, saying the 27th Amendment 'has taken off' and described Asif Ali Zardari as 'a major political player' with a strong political dynamic alongside Bilawal Bhutto Zardari. He welcomed Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Chief Minister Sohail Afridi for 'rising from the grassroots,' and said PTI should engage in 'positive politics' if it wished to be part of the amendment process.

Source: The Express Tribune
There isnt a problem because criminals and the oath breaking criminals stole the mandate of PK people. The total seats of the PPP and Nooras was less than 50 seats. According to the PPP, the Nooras only won 7 seats
 
The whole PPP and Noora Democracy narrative was a total scam. Both were family businesses and will always remain so.Vote ki Izzat do and Democracy is the best revenge ring worse than hollow when you sit in the lap of dictator and twerk him. And the reason- fear of PK public and IK.
@Major
Where are you bro?
i think IK needs to be blamed too for this. He is too rigid and inflexible regarding N League and PPP that it has created oppurtunity for fascits like Munir to ride the wave of fear among politicians that IK will finish them if he is ever given any more chance

This perception although not IK's fault entirely but his rigidness plays a role
 
I think regardless of what IK would have done, the Army does what it wants and can’t be stopped.
 
i think IK needs to be blamed too for this. He is too rigid and inflexible regarding N League and PPP that it has created oppurtunity for fascits like Munir to ride the wave of fear among politicians that IK will finish them if he is ever given any more chance

This perception although not IK's fault entirely but his rigidness plays a role
Not really. These are criminals and you can't trust them at all. You dont have take my word for it, look at their actions since 2022. They know they didnt win any votes but such is their loser and criminal mindset, they have passed 2 constitutional amendments.
 
Not really. These are criminals and you can't trust them at all. You dont have take my word for it, look at their actions since 2022. They know they didnt win any votes but such is their loser and criminal mindset, they have passed 2 constitutional amendments.

well actually politics is not just about Justice and Ethics. you have courts for that. Even our Prophet talked with infidels in Makkah knowing they were not sincere

So yeah IK is not all Saint. His Rigidness has played the role in making this whole mess. He wants to be remembered as one who stood in face of Fascim but at same time also enabling it by not talking to political stake holders or at very least exploring the option
 
I think regardless of what IK would have done, the Army does what it wants and can’t be stopped.
No, it can but no one wants to bar IK. No doubt the oath breakers will never give up up their occupation and control without a fight. These are remnants of the East Ind company and wont go without a fight
 
26th amendment destroyed judiciary and this seems to be it's upgraded version of disaster.

Since 2022, when IK was ousted through the vote of no confidence, he gained massive public sympathy and understandably so. But instead of channeling that momentum into building alliances or widening his base, he went on a spree of demonizing his political opponents. That rhetoric fired up his supporters, but it also pushed all his rivals to unite for political survival, creating the very front that now stands against him.
And while we stay busy fighting among ourselves, it’s the outside forces that are quietly taking advantage of the chaos influencing policies, exploiting divisions, and tightening their grip wherever power looks vulnerable. IK’s stand against corruption deserves credit, but his rigidity and refusal to engage politically have left the field open for both domestic opportunists and foreign interests. You can’t win the game if you refuse to play it and in politics, isolation is just another kind of defeat.
 
26th amendment destroyed judiciary and this seems to be it's upgraded version of disaster.
Rana Sanaullah is claiming that they plan to rule for the next 10-15 years. As the World progresses we have are going back a 100 years with a criminal elite looting with both hands. The army isnt a PK army, its become an occupying force like the British were and Inds hope to be.
 
Since 2022, when IK was ousted through the vote of no confidence, he gained massive public sympathy and understandably so. But instead of channeling that momentum into building alliances or widening his base, he went on a spree of demonizing his political opponents. That rhetoric fired up his supporters, but it also pushed all his rivals to unite for political survival, creating the very front that now stands against him.
And while we stay busy fighting among ourselves, it’s the outside forces that are quietly taking advantage of the chaos influencing policies, exploiting divisions, and tightening their grip wherever power looks vulnerable. IK’s stand against corruption deserves credit, but his rigidity and refusal to engage politically have left the field open for both domestic opportunists and foreign interests. You can’t win the game if you refuse to play it and in politics, isolation is just another kind of defeat.
Yeah IK made a mess, he should have hit the nail when iron was hot. He should have used the mass support to undo the wrongs done in 2022 but instead called masses to go back to their barracks.

Unfortunately, the boy who cried wolf scenario.
 
Yeah IK made a mess, he should have hit the nail when iron was hot. He should have used the mass support to undo the wrongs done in 2022 but instead called masses to go back to their barracks.

Unfortunately, the boy who cried wolf scenario.
Imran closed all the door of negotiations by attacking all the apposition party/ leaders . This is now how a leader behaved even though he is honestly care about Pakistan. You never closed the door for negotiation.

:kp
 
Yeah IK made a mess, he should have hit the nail when iron was hot. He should have used the mass support to undo the wrongs done in 2022 but instead called masses to go back to their barracks.

Unfortunately, the boy who cried wolf scenario.

Even as of today he would be ready to talk to Munir if he went to meet him , but he would nt talk to any other political force.

So the demonized political elite is doing whatever it can to survive and People of Pakistan will pay
 
Imran closed all the door of negotiations by attacking all the apposition party/ leaders . This is now how a leader behaved even though he is honestly care about Pakistan. You never closed the door for negotiation.

:kp
Hahaha... enjoy it as much as you can....but remember RaGa is coming. Your true leader and a great option for South Asia too.
 
Even as of today he would be ready to talk to Munir if he went to meet him , but he would nt talk to any other political force.

So the demonized political elite is doing whatever it can to survive and People of Pakistan will pay
Because is the one with the power. Talking to the PPP and Nooras is akin to Talking to me. The PPP and the Nooras are illegitimate children of the over active Loins of the Generals. They dont have a democratic bone in their har** fed bodies
 
In any respectable country a constitutional amendment takes many months, if not years. But in PK form 47 guys will vote for an amendment which they dont anything about. Many journalists are being told that Nooras and the PPP have no idea, in any detail what's in the amendment. 🤣🤣🤣
 
Because is the one with the power. Talking to the PPP and Nooras is akin to Talking to me. The PPP and the Nooras are illegitimate children of the over active Loins of the Generals. They dont have a democratic bone in their haram fed bodies

you miss the point Entirely.

we have seen dictators in Pak before , and never it has been that bad in our lifetimes , why is that? Because IK thinks he is all good and rest are corrupt. Talking with power is not prudence , its easy , working to dismantle that power with right alliances is what this nation needed. Sadly IK's poltiics is just self image
 
you miss the point Entirely.

we have seen dictators in Pak before , and never it has been that bad in our lifetimes , why is that? Because IK thinks he is all good and rest are corrupt. Talking with power is not prudence , its easy , working to dismantle that power with right alliances is what this nation needed. Sadly IK's poltiics is just self image
But they are corrupt. They didn't need IK to stop this evil. They may have actually got respect if they faced down the Generals. AZ and NS will not be jailed, except on paper as they would claim to be ill and they would be released by some judge. Billo and Maryam would have faced humiliation but people have short memories and any IK govt would have faced opposition because of the desperate situation he would have faced in making tough decisions. Politics is fluid, they would have legitimately got a chance down the line
 
you miss the point Entirely.

we have seen dictators in Pak before , and never it has been that bad in our lifetimes , why is that? Because IK thinks he is all good and rest are corrupt. Talking with power is not prudence , its easy , working to dismantle that power with right alliances is what this nation needed. Sadly IK's poltiics is just self image
Why is Imran Khan being blamed for purely this. He should take some blame for being a poor opposition leader.

But blame your governance processes that allow collusion to take power. There should have been better checks and balances, such as referendums for constitutional changes along with other controls.

This is what happens when you have shitty processes in place.
 
But they are corrupt. They didn't need IK to stop this evil. They may have actually got respect if they faced down the Generals. AZ and NS will not be jailed, except on paper as they would claim to be ill and they would be released by some judge. Billo and Maryam would have faced humiliation but people have short memories and any IK govt would have faced opposition because of the desperate situation he would have faced in making tough decisions. Politics is fluid, they would have legitimately got a chance down the line
there would be no VONC if IK had not floated the idea of appointing Faiz as army chief and Spooking the Nooras and Bhuttos.

Nooras and Bhuttos are vile and they will do anything to Survive

But even after all the defiance IK showed , whats the end game? We are staring down the barrel of 27th ammendment giving unchecked power to same people he is fighting against. that makes you question the viability of his politics
 
Why is Imran Khan being blamed for this. He is nowhere in the picture.

Blame your governance processes that allow collusion to take power. There should have been better checks and balances, such as referendums for constitutional changes along with other controls.

This is what happens when you have shitty processes in place.
i blame him because IK holds the power to unite pilitical forces , However corrupt they are. If you are leaving the ground , Fascists will make the Ground
 
While he should be blamed as the country needs a strong opposition, the lack of controls is insane and whose fault is that?
 
While he should be blamed as the country needs a strong opposition, the lack of controls is insane and whose fault is that?
people of this country , Especially Punjab who cannot protest even if their existence was on line.

How many protests have happened since news breakout of 27th ammendment?

In the end real power comes from people united in Same idealogy , but we are not people or nation , Just a herd being shepered
 
there would be no VONC if IK had not floated the idea of appointing Faiz as army chief and Spooking the Nooras and Bhuttos.

Nooras and Bhuttos are vile and they will do anything to Survive

But even after all the defiance IK showed , whats the end game? We are staring down the barrel of 27th ammendment giving unchecked power to same people he is fighting against. that makes you question the viability of his politics
Rubbish. Bajwa had been determined to overthrow IK from the 1st few months of IKs govt. He was stopped by 2 things- covid and the Ind conflict. He took the 1st opportunity and Faiz was fully on board. Faiz was criminal and he deserved his punishment
PK people have to stand up and be counted on the street but as we Know, we Punjabis and our Sindhi brethren dont have the balls. We cant rely on the pathans to save PK.
 
Rubbish. Bajwa had been determined to overthrow IK from the 1st few months of IKs govt. He was stopped by 2 things- covid and the Ind conflict. He took the 1st opportunity and Faiz was fully on board. Faiz was criminal and he deserved his punishment
PK people have to stand up and be counted on the street but as we Know, we Punjabis and our Sindhi brethren dont have the balls. We cant rely on the pathans to save PK.
i just said that above. i agree with you on last part
 
you miss the point Entirely.

we have seen dictators in Pak before , and never it has been that bad in our lifetimes , why is that? Because IK thinks he is all good and rest are corrupt. Talking with power is not prudence , its easy , working to dismantle that power with right alliances is what this nation needed. Sadly IK's poltiics is just self image
Imran khan thought he was sultan rahi type of badmash with his speeches 🤣🤣
 
i think IK needs to be blamed too for this. He is too rigid and inflexible regarding N League and PPP that it has created oppurtunity for fascits like Munir to ride the wave of fear among politicians that IK will finish them if he is ever given any more chance

This perception although not IK's fault entirely but his rigidness plays a role
Why is Imran Khan being blamed for purely this. He should take some blame for being a poor opposition leader.

But blame your governance processes that allow collusion to take power. There should have been better checks and balances, such as referendums for constitutional changes along with other controls.

This is what happens when you have shitty processes in place.
Rubbish. Bajwa had been determined to overthrow IK from the 1st few months of IKs govt. He was stopped by 2 things- covid and the Ind conflict. He took the 1st opportunity and Faiz was fully on board. Faiz was criminal and he deserved his punishment
PK people have to stand up and be counted on the street but as we Know, we Punjabis and our Sindhi brethren dont have the balls. We cant rely on the pathans to save PK.
@Wasim Ghulam has made this point before and I think we do need to consider his point and have a discussion.

In a state like Pakistan, corruption is rife from top to bottom and endemic and Imran Khan is a politician and not a Military General so politics is the name of negotiation and maneuvering. Lets consider two options:
  1. Imran Khan had gone along with the military on their choice of ISI Chief, COAS whatever....
  2. Imran Khan had granted all the crooks NRO
  3. Imran Khan had stayed in power and done the best he can...
Would the damage to Pakistan and Imran Khan be less or more than what has already happened?
 
@Wasim Ghulam has made this point before and I think we do need to consider his point and have a discussion.

In a state like Pakistan, corruption is rife from top to bottom and endemic and Imran Khan is a politician and not a Military General so politics is the name of negotiation and maneuvering. Lets consider two options:
  1. Imran Khan had gone along with the military on their choice of ISI Chief, COAS whatever....
  2. Imran Khan had granted all the crooks NRO
  3. Imran Khan had stayed in power and done the best he can...
Would the damage to Pakistan and Imran Khan be less or more than what has already happened?
If IK did any of this, he wouldnt have a leg to stand on
 
If IK did any of this, he wouldnt have a leg to stand on
I also agree with your point of view, so:
  1. Imran Khan is uncompromising
  2. PTI is uncompromising
As a result, Pakistan and 250 million suffer, when Imran Khan comes back the corruption is so endemic that I am not sure he will be able to do much...

The main issue is unchecked, unregulated, unwarranted power of Asim Munir (or whoever in his place) and I can't see them letting IK or anyone else who wants to address the elephant in the room to power.
 
@Wasim Ghulam has made this point before and I think we do need to consider his point and have a discussion.

In a state like Pakistan, corruption is rife from top to bottom and endemic and Imran Khan is a politician and not a Military General so politics is the name of negotiation and maneuvering. Lets consider two options:
  1. Imran Khan had gone along with the military on their choice of ISI Chief, COAS whatever....
  2. Imran Khan had granted all the crooks NRO
  3. Imran Khan had stayed in power and done the best he can...
Would the damage to Pakistan and Imran Khan be less or more than what has already happened?

only Miscalculation IK did was a thought that peoplr of this country will fight for his cause. That did nt happen after 8th Feb. IK should have changed course if people of this country do not want to

Should have ensured the continuation of the government although illegitimate and offered munir few extra years like Bajwa

he would have been released. and him being out in public would have been detrrence itself against Fascit encroaching the constitution with ammendments
 
I also agree with your point of view, so:
  1. Imran Khan is uncompromising
  2. PTI is uncompromising
As a result, Pakistan and 250 million suffer, when Imran Khan comes back the corruption is so endemic that I am not sure he will be able to do much...

The main issue is unchecked, unregulated, unwarranted power of Asim Munir (or whoever in his place) and I can't see them letting IK or anyone else who wants to address the elephant in the room to power.
I dont think he is coming back. The criminal oath breakers will kill all 250mn PKs before they give up the occupation. Its painful to admit that an army we spent so much time defending has betrayed PKs with its criminal actions. I see no good outcome but then again what I feel today, won't be the same as what I feel tomorrow. As Harold Macmillan said events, dear boy, events
 
I dont think he is coming back. The criminal oath breakers will kill all 250mn PKs before they give up the occupation. Its painful to admit that an army we spent so much time defending has betrayed PKs with its criminal actions. I see no good outcome but then again what I feel today, won't be the same as what I feel tomorrow. As Harold Macmillan said events, dear boy, events

if 1 million oath breakers are controlling 250 M then God Help those 250 million
 
if 1 million oath breakers are controlling 250 M then God Help those 250 million
Well they are. They have guns and PKs dont. Its a terrible betrayal but for what end( besides billions of dollars,plots and unlimited power🤣🤣). On the one hand we have Inds trying to kill us, then we have the TTP trying to kill us to order and then the guys we pay, also hate us. At the same time we eat grass Allah is naraz with us.
 
if 1 million oath breakers are controlling 250 M then God Help those 250 million
We have history of Pakistan Army and British Indian Army to learn our lessons from. The soldiers will open fire on their own population and kill on sight! So thousands want to be willing to die for revolution to occur in Pakistan.

Also history has taught us that people who now reside in geography of Pakistan have never been politically mature or savvy and there has been no political uprising or upheaval from these lands.

Revolt and revolution flows in the blood of Bangali people (Bangladesh and India) and also in Bihar and to some extent UP, the geography which is Pakistan does not give birth to this level of political maturity and revolution.

People of Afghanistan are equally silly and they get paid by or bow down to raw power so Afghanistan will also continue to unstable...
  1. People of Bangladesh stood their ground, got shot and gave their lives
  2. Pushtuns and Punjabi people did not.
Result is for all to see.

Asim Munir needs to be stopped and I am afraid many lives will be lost before he can be forced, there is no other way.

@Bewal Express

  1. Imran Khan is a nice, decent, truthful and honest person
  2. Pakistan needs a nice, decent, truthful and honest politician who is willing to incite people and get shot at!
Imran Khan will die in prison and PTI will make hashtags and them make a shrine for him. Allah will reward him immensely, Pakistan will carry on to be ruled by Asim Munir (and then whoever)...millions will give birth to millions of future slaves.

This Army does not belong to Pakistani people!

The circuit needs to be broken and Imran Khan is not the right guy for it.
 
@Wasim Ghulam, @Bewal Express @Patriot

I don't understand why everyone forgets that:

  1. 25 Soldiers (Gorkha and Sikh) from 9 Gorkha Rifles
  2. 25 Soldiers (Sikh, Punjabi and Pushtun Muslims) from 59 Scinde Rifles
  3. Without hesitation cocked their rifles and shot their own countrymen at the order of a Racist General Reginald Dyer killing 380-1500 people in cold blood, reloaded their rifles and kept on shooting point blank!

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They had brought Machine Guns but due to narrow entrance could not get the armored vehicles to enter Jallianwala Bagh

How come you guys don't know the history and genome of Pakistan Army??? Why are you expecting good things?
 
@Wasim Ghulam, @Bewal Express @Patriot

I don't understand why everyone forgets that:

  1. 25 Soldiers (Gorkha and Sikh) from 9 Gorkha Rifles
  2. 25 Soldiers (Sikh, Punjabi and Pushtun Muslims) from 59 Scinde Rifles
  3. Without hesitation cocked their rifles and shot their own countrymen at the order of a Racist General Reginald Dyer killing 380-1500 people in cold blood, reloaded their rifles and kept on shooting point blank!

images


They had brought Machine Guns but due to narrow entrance could not get the armored vehicles to enter Jallianwala Bagh

How come you guys don't know the history and genome of Pakistan Army??? Why are you expecting good things?

we need to stop deluding ourselves with notion that Road to dismantling establishment Hold over political and power structure of this country goes through peacful route. If you want freedom, Blood has to be spilled.
 
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we need to stop deluding ourselves with notion that Road to dismantling establishment Hold over political and power structure of this country goes through peacful route. If you want freedom, Blood has to be spilled.
Whose blood though? As someone who does not live in Pakistan it’s easy for me to say blood needs to be spilled but I’m perfectly safe. It will be local Pakistanis who will have to make that tough choice. So I have no right to advocate for that.
 
Whose blood though? As someone who does not live in Pakistan it’s easy for me to say blood needs to be spilled but I’m perfectly safe. It will be local Pakistanis who will have to make that tough choice. So I have no right to advocate for that.
Winston Churchill Sacrificed 4000 Men Against Nazi to distract them and evacuate Entire British Army from beaches of Dunkirk. The idea of Sacrificing lives for greater purposes is not alien to this world
 
What the hell is the Achakzai playing at by meeting Diesel. The crooked Maulvi has never been trustworthy or loyal to anything to but his bank account.
 
@Wasim Ghulam, @Bewal Express @Patriot

I don't understand why everyone forgets that:

  1. 25 Soldiers (Gorkha and Sikh) from 9 Gorkha Rifles
  2. 25 Soldiers (Sikh, Punjabi and Pushtun Muslims) from 59 Scinde Rifles
  3. Without hesitation cocked their rifles and shot their own countrymen at the order of a Racist General Reginald Dyer killing 380-1500 people in cold blood, reloaded their rifles and kept on shooting point blank!

images


They had brought Machine Guns but due to narrow entrance could not get the armored vehicles to enter Jallianwala Bagh

How come you guys don't know the history and genome of Pakistan Army??? Why are you expecting good things?
Because I am a PK and I expected our Army to fight for us, not to fight and kill us.
 
The Generals are too stupid and lazy to answer the many questions raised so they used ChatGPT to give a cheat sheet to their idiotic, immoral and lazy touts.
 
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