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The 27th Amendment: Dictatorship Codified

Are the main items in 27th Amendment, the final nail in the coffin of Pakistan’s democracy?


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Has the Eunuch Shahid Afridi made any comment against this or does he only bark against India to gain friends in the power circles? One reason why he will never be a true man like Imran Khan.
 
What reason does he have to lie about this? Put away your hate lenses for once.
Do some research you gorm. When AZ requested his Immunity, SS thought he would get on the band wagon, because although the murders were committed by the oath breaker and the elites, contemporary deity, he as the PM would have rubber stamped them. It was all good until someone pointed out that IK would have to be released under the same law 🤣🤣🤣
 
The crooks are now under one cover, with some having extreme powers and others a level below, but Zardari clearly owned FM & N league by getting lifetime immunity
 
Today is yet another sad day in turbulent history of Pakistan. Effective from today:
1. The chief of defense forces command not just the army but navy and airforce too. What is vague right now is that police, FBR and other pillars might be classified as "forces" and be bought under "meri jind meri jaan". Yesterday the air chief marshall and Navy chief admiral were not answerable to any superior authority (on paper its Defense Minister "Khawaja Asif" but let's stay real here) but today onwards they would report to Qoum ka Baap.
2. Supreme Court for the first time in the history of Pakistan will be a subordinate court and its word will no longer remain the "final" word. The final word will come from Government's handpicked Judges. Embarrassing.
3. Immunity - The concept of immunity doesn't exist in Islam but this concept now exists in Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The only question remains is it any longer "Islamic" Republic of Pakistan or should we pass another amendment to change the name to "Kingdom of Pakistan"? The self-proclaimed person who proclaimed himself in comparison to God when giving an example of how Allah didn't forgive Shaitaan upon asking him to surrender impersonating that he cannot forgive IK as he did not bow to him in similar fashion. Bottomline is that this guy is definitely not mentally fit to run a large institution but not only he got powers beyond his institution now, he gets invited on state visits and worst of all now he is immune from literally whatever he plans to do.
 
As the economy crashes and no constitution worthy of the name exists, what will the oath breaker do? Will he carry on killing people or will he look for a safe exit
From my observations he will happily kill and stay in power. I am hoping I am wrong and some sanity returns to PK
 
No politician is blameless when it comes to Uturns but seeing NS vote for this amendment has to be the most humiliating. For a guy that claimed to be the champion of civilian supremacy, and being forced to vote for this( or doing it voluntarily) is a lesson for all PK politicians- dont sell your dignity. He lost the General election and his personal election( Yasmin Rashid) with huge margins. He should have used this as an event to reflect and come back with more than I am victim. What an end to a terrible career
 
Today is yet another sad day in turbulent history of Pakistan. Effective from today:
1. The chief of defense forces command not just the army but navy and airforce too. What is vague right now is that police, FBR and other pillars might be classified as "forces" and be bought under "meri jind meri jaan". Yesterday the air chief marshall and Navy chief admiral were not answerable to any superior authority (on paper its Defense Minister "Khawaja Asif" but let's stay real here) but today onwards they would report to Qoum ka Baap.
2. Supreme Court for the first time in the history of Pakistan will be a subordinate court and its word will no longer remain the "final" word. The final word will come from Government's handpicked Judges. Embarrassing.
3. Immunity - The concept of immunity doesn't exist in Islam but this concept now exists in Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The only question remains is it any longer "Islamic" Republic of Pakistan or should we pass another amendment to change the name to "Kingdom of Pakistan"? The self-proclaimed person who proclaimed himself in comparison to God when giving an example of how Allah didn't forgive Shaitaan upon asking him to surrender impersonating that he cannot forgive IK as he did not bow to him in similar fashion. Bottomline is that this guy is definitely not mentally fit to run a large institution but not only he got powers beyond his institution now, he gets invited on state visits and worst of all now he is immune from literally whatever he plans to do.
Indeed. One of the most shameful days in the history of Pakistan.
 
This is not an amendment, this is a clear-cut message for the poor people of Pakistan that you are worth a dirt against us..
 
No politician is blameless when it comes to Uturns but seeing NS vote for this amendment has to be the most humiliating. For a guy that claimed to be the champion of civilian supremacy, and being forced to vote for this( or doing it voluntarily) is a lesson for all PK politicians- dont sell your dignity. He lost the General election and his personal election( Yasmin Rashid) with huge margins. He should have used this as an event to reflect and come back with more than I am victim. What an end to a terrible career
Really, I did not expect this from Nawaz Sharif. All my previous feedback about him now feels completely reversed. I thought he was quiet because he did not want to be part of this hybrid model. But now it is clear that they are all standing together against one man, Imran Khan.

Nawaz Sharif has written his history now. He will be remembered as a military tout, despite giving resistance to them on many occasions, both when he was out of power and even when he was in government.

There is no doubt that the chances of Imran Khan coming out of jail alive are now almost zero. They will not allow it, and the operation against PTI and their ideology will become even stricter and tougher in the coming days.

The only solution for IK and PTI is to sit with the government and find a way to end all of this, because now it is evident that Asim Munir will be here for a lifetime and is not going anywhere anytime soon.
 
Another plea filed against 27th Amendment

Another petition challenging the 27th Amendment was filed in the Lahore High Court on Wednesday, a day after a similar plea was submitted to the Supreme Court.

The petitioner, Hassan Latif, contended through his counsel that changes were being introduced through the 27th Amendment that contradicted the preamble of the Constitution and attempted to curtail the powers of the Supreme Court.

He argued that by reducing judicial authority, the amendment endangered judicial independence and undermined the constitutional framework, as it was being passed without consultation with the provinces.

He said the amendment sought to restructure the apex judiciary of Pakistan by creating a Federal Constitutional Court (FCC).

He added that the Supreme Court’s original, appellate, and advisory jurisdictions were being transferring to the FCC.

He further contended that the proposed amendment had been passed by the Senate, tabled in the National Assembly and was yet to be assented by the president.

Therefore, the petitioner asked the court to annul the 27th Amendment and declare the transfer of constitutional cases to another court as void.

On Tuesday, former chief justice of Pakistan (CJP) Jawwad S. Khawaja challenged the 27th Amendment, seeking a directive that the SC retain exclusive jurisdiction to determine the lawfulness and constitutionality of the amendment.

Filed through Advocate Khwaja Ahmad Hosain, the petitioner urged the apex court to strike down or suspend any provisions in any Act of Parliament, including the 27th Amendment, that reduce or abolish the constitutional jurisdiction of the SC, or that purport to vest such jurisdiction in any other court or body.

The petition also asked the apex court to set aside the provisions of the 27th Amendment related to the transfer of high court judges and requested that the matter be treated as one of “urgency” until a final decision on the plea was reached.

The former CJP explained that he had filed the petition to save the SC that he claimed was on the verge of being abolished as a constitutional court.

He argued that he had “no personal interest” in this case, adding the relief sought was for the benefit of all citizens of Pakistan.

 
Another plea filed against 27th Amendment

Another petition challenging the 27th Amendment was filed in the Lahore High Court on Wednesday, a day after a similar plea was submitted to the Supreme Court.

The petitioner, Hassan Latif, contended through his counsel that changes were being introduced through the 27th Amendment that contradicted the preamble of the Constitution and attempted to curtail the powers of the Supreme Court.

He argued that by reducing judicial authority, the amendment endangered judicial independence and undermined the constitutional framework, as it was being passed without consultation with the provinces.

He said the amendment sought to restructure the apex judiciary of Pakistan by creating a Federal Constitutional Court (FCC).

He added that the Supreme Court’s original, appellate, and advisory jurisdictions were being transferring to the FCC.

He further contended that the proposed amendment had been passed by the Senate, tabled in the National Assembly and was yet to be assented by the president.

Therefore, the petitioner asked the court to annul the 27th Amendment and declare the transfer of constitutional cases to another court as void.

On Tuesday, former chief justice of Pakistan (CJP) Jawwad S. Khawaja challenged the 27th Amendment, seeking a directive that the SC retain exclusive jurisdiction to determine the lawfulness and constitutionality of the amendment.

Filed through Advocate Khwaja Ahmad Hosain, the petitioner urged the apex court to strike down or suspend any provisions in any Act of Parliament, including the 27th Amendment, that reduce or abolish the constitutional jurisdiction of the SC, or that purport to vest such jurisdiction in any other court or body.

The petition also asked the apex court to set aside the provisions of the 27th Amendment related to the transfer of high court judges and requested that the matter be treated as one of “urgency” until a final decision on the plea was reached.

The former CJP explained that he had filed the petition to save the SC that he claimed was on the verge of being abolished as a constitutional court.

He argued that he had “no personal interest” in this case, adding the relief sought was for the benefit of all citizens of Pakistan.

Afridi will keep his role as part of the deal and just like the illegal 26th, this 27th will also not be allowed to be challenged.
 
So the crux of 1973 constitution was, legislature judiciary and executive, 1st they negated judiciary and now the legislature and executive also get rubber stamp. So what is the country now a rogue nation ?
 
I have given up on Pakistan and no longer care about what goes on in the Country but I’m traveling to Karachi end of this month and will be there for a whole month with my friends and relatives. I will operate within the framework of the government and stay out of any political discussions. Fingers crossed all goes well
 
So Mansoor Ali Shah , Athar Minallah render resignation due to 27th amendment, will be this the catapult the country requires @Bewal Express
Thess losers helped Bajwa and became Inqalaabi after the horse has bolted. Athar Minullah opened the IHC late at night just in case IK sacked Bajwa and obviously he would have blocked the sacking and Mansoor undermined and plotted against the equally coward Bandial. And when he realised the **** had hit the fan he too became inqalaabi. Neither was as bad beghairat Qazi or Afridi or the other crooks but we had SC working for the Junta. Now its all codified
 
Thess losers helped Bajwa and became Inqalaabi after the horse has bolted. Athar Minullah opened the IHC late at night just in case IK sacked Bajwa and obviously he would have blocked the sacking and Mansoor undermined and plotted against the equally coward Bandial. And when he realised the **** had hit the fan he too became inqalaabi. Neither was as bad beghairat Qazi or Afridi or the other crooks but we had SC working for the Junta. Now its all codified

If we are looking at things constitutionally without any parties viewpoint I found that both of them did the right thing. Minallah opening IHC on Sunday to stop any particular sacking only holds weight if something was actually actioned upon. There was no sacking and there was no involvement of IHC during this debacle.

The judgement Mansoor Ali Shah passed over reversing the decision taken by Qasim Suri to reverse the vote of no confidence was the "right" decision as per constitution. Yes I agree the fallout of that decision has been nothing short of nightmare but we cannot say the decision wasn't right. Bandial was a weak CJ, he couldn't do anything once his orders were not acted upon. Mansoor might have played the internal political game against Bandial but that doesn't discredit him as a Judge. Same goes for Minallah.
 
If we are looking at things constitutionally without any parties viewpoint I found that both of them did the right thing. Minallah opening IHC on Sunday to stop any particular sacking only holds weight if something was actually actioned upon. There was no sacking and there was no involvement of IHC during this debacle.

The judgement Mansoor Ali Shah passed over reversing the decision taken by Qasim Suri to reverse the vote of no confidence was the "right" decision as per constitution. Yes I agree the fallout of that decision has been nothing short of nightmare but we cannot say the decision wasn't right. Bandial was a weak CJ, he couldn't do anything once his orders were not acted upon. Mansoor might have played the internal political game against Bandial but that doesn't discredit him as a Judge. Same goes for Minallah.
As I said they weren't as bad as ********* Qazi and the even bigger *********- Afridi. However, Minullah opened the IHC for Bajwa to give a stay order on the possible sacking, which would have been perfectly legal then and as subsequent events have shown, a moral responsibility on IK.
Mansoor undermined the cowardly Bandial and backed the treacherous Qazi. By the time he changed Qazi the rat had done the damage and here we are today under Martial Law under "Deity" Munir no one asked for and ever wanted except the haraamkhor elite
 
So what is next for the country , being governed by a sacred king devoid of any accountability , his cronies the bootleggers like vulture pouncing on the meat, terrorism getting back the provinces having rift and no cohesion
 

National Assembly approves key military amendments​


The National Assembly approved amendments to the Pakistan Army Act, 1952, Pakistan Air Force Act, 1953, and Pakistan Navy Ordinance, 1961, with a majority vote to bring the laws governing the armed forces in line with the 27th Constitutional Amendment.

The session saw Defence Minister Khawaja Asif present the amendment bills, which were approved by the House following voting. The lawmakers also passed the Supreme Court Practice and Procedure (Amendment) Bill during the same sitting.

Explaining the amendments, Law Minister Azam Nazeer Tarar said the legislative changes were introduced to harmonise existing laws with the new constitutional framework.

He stated that the Chief of Defence Forces (CDF) will serve a five-year term from the date of appointment, while certain adjustments have been made to the structures of the Air Force and Navy. He added that amendments concerning appointments to the newly established Constitutional Court had also been approved, with the Chief Justice to be the first appointee.

The law minister further said that going forward, the Chief of Army Staff (COAS) will also serve as the Chief of Defence Forces. Tarar said Article 243 of the Constitution had also been amended to formally recognise the rank of Field Marshal. He confirmed that the Ministry of Defence had submitted three summaries, which were approved by the cabinet.

Later, Khawaja Asif introduced the Pakistan Army (Amendment) Bill 2025, Pakistan Air Force (Amendment) Bill 2025, and Pakistan Navy (Amendment) Bill 2025, all of which were passed by the House.

New powers defined for CDF

The new amendment provides that the CDF’s tenure will begin from the date of notification. The COAS will simultaneously serve as the CDF. In case a General is promoted to the rank of Field Marshal, he will perform duties as outlined under the amended clause.

The amendment further stipulates that the federal government will appoint the Vice Chief of Army Staff or Deputy Chief on the recommendation of the CDF. The Vice Chief will exercise powers and perform duties under the directions of the army chief.

The amendment also introduces changes in Section B, replacing the term “government” and providing that appointments will now be made based on the recommendation of the army chief.

Under Clause 8G of the amended Act, the position of Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee will be abolished effective November 27, 2025. In its place, the prime minister, on the recommendation of the army chief and CDF, will appoint a Commander of the National Strategic Command for a three-year term.

The prime minister will determine the service conditions and tenure of the Commander, who may be reappointed for another three-year term upon the recommendation of the CDF. The appointment, reappointment, or extension of the Commander will not be subject to judicial review.

The bill also stipulates that the retirement age, service tenure, or removal clauses under the Army Act will not apply to the Commander National Strategic Command, who will continue to serve as a General in the Pakistan Army while performing his duties in the role.

Earlier in the day, the federal cabinet, chaired by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, approved a series of legislative amendments to align national laws with the 27th Constitutional Amendment.

The meeting, held at the Parliament House, also endorsed the creation of the post of CDF and the abolition of the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee upon the retirement of the incumbent.

The revised legislation introduces three new honorary military ranks — Field Marshal, Marshal of the Air Force, and Admiral of the Fleet — to reflect modern military structures and contemporary defence needs.

The cabinet also approved the draft of the Federal Constitutional Court (Procedure and Practice) Act, 2025, establishing a Constitutional Court under the 27th Amendment, and ratified the decisions of the Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) meeting held on November 7.

Planning Minister Ahsan Iqbal said the amendments were part of the legislative process following the constitutional change. “A new position has been created under the amendment, and corresponding ranks have been established for the Navy and Air Force as well,” he said.

Asif noted that the constitutional amendment had already become part of the law and that the new measures were necessary to give it full legal effect. Information Minister Attaullah Tarar said it was essential to make corresponding changes to the relevant laws after the constitutional amendment.

Following the approvals, the National Assembly session was adjourned until 11am on Friday.

Source: The Express Tribune
 
I have given up on Pakistan and no longer care about what goes on in the Country but I’m traveling to Karachi end of this month and will be there for a whole month with my friends and relatives. I will operate within the framework of the government and stay out of any political discussions. Fingers crossed all goes well
Ground reality is usually always chill unless its a civil war.
I have friends that go to Libya , Syria which are in bad shapes and still very fun with family.
 
@Rana @Major

Muneer is undisputed king of this country now. He is officially Head of Armed forces til 2030 and can be extended further since he cant retire till death

Ab to Pakistan ma doodh ki nehrain niklay gi hena?
 
@Rana @Major

Muneer is undisputed king of this country now. He is officially Head of Armed forces til 2030 and can be extended further since he cant retire till death

Ab to Pakistan ma doodh ki nehrain niklay gi hena?
Pakistan ka tou pata nahi, but thats the end of Imrans political career. lol
 
Well, Imran will serve out at least 5 more of his 1000 years incarceration

thr way you criticize PTI supporters for putting their leader above country , how is that different? Person specific ammendment to keep the guy Muneer fears most in Jail. The hypocrisy is glaring

اب ملک میں سرمایہ کاری، معدنیات، سونے چاندی کی کانیں پھوٹ پڑیں گی اور پاکستان کشمیر بھی فتح کر لے گا
 
thr way you criticize PTI supporters for putting their leader above country , how is that different? Person specific ammendment to keep the guy Muneer fears most in Jail. The hypocrisy is glaring

اب ملک میں سرمایہ کاری، معدنیات، سونے چاندی کی کانیں پھوٹ پڑیں گی اور پاکستان کشمیر بھی فتح کر لے گا
Pakistan in this time and era needs Munir more than it needs Imran Khan.
 
Pakistan ka tou pata nahi, but thats the end of Imrans political career. lol
Amazing response. The country has been totally destroyed with no constitution or any semblance of any law and order and all you can worry about is your perceived victory over IK. He lives in your head free
 
And some people are shamelessly cheering this disastrous act.

One cannot get worst then such people.
people who are cheering this act are three kinds

1. Beneficiaries of This system ( Elite , Politicians , Sold out lifafas and paid social media employees for propoganda )

2. People having personal hatred for Imran Khan ( Bugz )

3. Outright Brainwashed Jahil tola
 
Pakistan ka tou pata nahi, but thats the end of Imrans political career. lol
With all due respect and don't take this the wrong way. I'm the most disappointed in your posting on this forum off late. I have been following you and generally liked to follow your posts as you didn't shifted goalposts and most importantly you always stood with the Constitution and Law. That's the irony you can dig your own posts from yesteryears and by far you were the champion or torchbearer on Constitution / Law discussion.

Just sad now how far things have fallen. To destroy one individual another one is being powered to reign like God.
 
Has the Eunuch Shahid Afridi made any comment against this or does he only bark against India to gain friends in the power circles? One reason why he will never be a true man like Imran Khan.
That’s probably the smallest reason Afridi could never be like IK. I can give you ten more. In fact, no one after Imran Khan will ever be Imran Khan.
 
Fear mongering brigade strikes again. This amendment has no effect on the life of the average Pakistani. In normal circumstances I would not support it but desperate times call for desperate measures. We have 2 very hostile and bloodthirsty neighbours and FM is the only lion capable of handling the dual threat. Zindabad FM! Paindabad FM!
 
That’s probably the smallest reason Afridi could never be like IK. I can give you ten more. In fact, no one after Imran Khan will ever be Imran Khan.
Disgusting as usual. He is insulting patriots and you cozy up to pajeet because he is supporting IK. How low will you stoop?
 
With all due respect and don't take this the wrong way. I'm the most disappointed in your posting on this forum off late. I have been following you and generally liked to follow your posts as you didn't shifted goalposts and most importantly you always stood with the Constitution and Law. That's the irony you can dig your own posts from yesteryears and by far you were the champion or torchbearer on Constitution / Law discussion.

Just sad now how far things have fallen. To destroy one individual another one is being powered to reign like God.
apologies, and u r right
 

Justice Aminuddin appointed first chief justice of Federal Constitutional Court​

Justice Aminuddin Khan was on Thursday appointed the inaugural Chief Justice of the Federal Constitutional Court (FCC).

The development comes hours after the 27th Constitutional Amendment was signed into law by President Asif Ali Zardari and shortly after Supreme Court Justices Mansoor Ali Shah and Athar Minallah resigned from their offices in protest.

A notification from the law ministry said President Zardari made the appointment under clause (3) of Article 175A read with Article 175C of the Constitution, adding that it would come into effect from the date that Justice Khan took his oath.

The judge will take the oath at the Presidency tomorrow at 10am. The chief justices and judges of superior courts, high-ranking officials have been invited to participate in the oath-taking ceremony

Justice Khan was born in Multan in 1960. A second-generation lawyer, he earned his LL.B from University Law College, Multan, in 1984 and began practice under his father, Khan Sadiq Muhammad Ahsan.

He became an advocate of the Lahore High Court (LHC) in 1987 and of the Supreme Court in 2001. He joined Zafar Law Chambers in Multan in 2001 and worked with the legal firm until he was elevated to the position of a judge in 2011, where he decided civil cases on the Multan and Bahawalpur benches.

He was sworn in as a Supreme Court justice in 2019, taking his oath of office from then-chief justice Asif Saeed Khosa.

He was made the head of the Supreme Court’s Constitutional Bench in November 2024, while ranking fourth in seniority among Supreme Court judges.

Justice Khan has decided thousands of cases pertaining to civil matters and most of his judgments have been upheld by the Supreme Court. During his career, he assisted renowned lawyers like Mian Nisar Ahmed and Umar Ata Bandial.

Sources had told Dawn the FCC would initially comprise six other judges — four from the Supreme Court and two from the high courts — besides the chief justice. The names being discussed for the inaugural composition included Justice Hasan Azhar Rizvi, Justice Musarrat Hilali, Justice Aamer Farooq, and Justice Baqar Najafi from the SC, while Justice KK Agha of the Sindh High Court and Justice Rozi Khan Barrech, the incumbent Chief Justice of Balochistan High Court, were being considered from the high courts.

The sources had also said that the initial strength of the FCC would be determined through a Presidential Order, while any subsequent increase in the number of judges would require approval through an Act of Parliament.

Officials at the law ministry confirmed that the President, acting on the advice of the prime minister, would issue the formal appointment orders. They added that under the provisions of the amendment, the President would be constitutionally empowered to make such appointments to the newly-constituted court.

The proposal to establish the Federal Constitutional Court was revived as part of the judicial reforms package incorporated in the 27th Constitutional Amendment Act.

The amendment aimed to rationalise the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court and introduce greater efficiency in the adjudication of constitutional questions.

According to government officials, the creation of the FCC is intended to reduce the Supreme Court’s workload, ensure timely adjudication of constitutional cases, and strengthen the independence and credibility of the judicial system. The concept of a separate constitutional court is not new.

It was first introduced in the Charter of Democracy (CoD) signed by the PPP and the PML-N in 2006.

The CoD envisaged the establishment of a specialised court dedicated solely to constitutional matters, allowing the Supreme Court to focus primarily on its appellate jurisdiction.

The idea resurfaced during discussions on the 26th Constitutional Amendment, but was shelved at the time following resistance from the Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-Fazl and certain other political factions.

Under the current proposal, judges serving in the FCC will retire at the age of 68 years — three years higher than the retirement age for Supreme Court judges, who retire at 65.

The new court will not be housed within the Supreme Court premises. Officials indicated that it is likely to be established in the Federal Shariat Court (FSC) building in Islamabad. In turn, the FSC is expected to be relocated to the third floor of the Islamabad High Court building.

However, sources within the FSC revealed that its judges are unhappy with their abrupt relocation and have raised their concerns before the chief justice of Pakistan.

Source: DAWN
 
This amendment has no effect on the life of the average Pakistani.

Thats the problem. These Ammendments Supposed to have effects on average Pakistani , of course better ones and the fact that these ammendments dnt as admitted by you is itself ironic proves the point the constitution has been Hijacked to benefit few Individuals


How will lifetime immunity help Pakistan fight our Enemies ? and you also admit that there is no one capable enough in Armed forces that can handle the duties , it has to be one specific person then its a matter of Shame for the institute

Bajwa wanted another extension , and IK wanted 10 years in power supposedly and both could nt act on it. Your FM went one step ahead actually managed to achieve same thing critics of IK feared and criticized day in day out and now they cheer him lol this country is filled with clowns
 
With all due respect and don't take this the wrong way. I'm the most disappointed in your posting on this forum off late. I have been following you and generally liked to follow your posts as you didn't shifted goalposts and most importantly you always stood with the Constitution and Law. That's the irony you can dig your own posts from yesteryears and by far you were the champion or torchbearer on Constitution / Law discussion.

Just sad now how far things have fallen. To destroy one individual another one is being powered to reign like God.
@Major stood for nothing because if he did, he would have condemned this total destruction of the PK constitution any law that governs it. His post start with a celebration that IK will never come back and end the same back. He supports person specific laws like the current Junta.
 
Thats the problem. These Ammendments Supposed to have effects on average Pakistani , of course better ones and the fact that these ammendments dnt as admitted by you is itself ironic proves the point the constitution has been Hijacked to benefit few Individuals


How will lifetime immunity help Pakistan fight our Enemies ? and you also admit that there is no one capable enough in Armed forces that can handle the duties , it has to be one specific person then its a matter of Shame for the institute

Bajwa wanted another extension , and IK wanted 10 years in power supposedly and both could nt act on it. Your FM went one step ahead actually managed to achieve same thing critics of IK feared and criticized day in day out and now they cheer him lol this country is filled with clowns
IK wanted 10 years but with the support of the Public, Bajwa and Munir took power at the point of a gun. There is a big difference
 
PMLN and PPP agreed to such changes in constitution only because of fear of Imran Khan ? These things won't be reversed easily in future and do they not realise there will still be Pakistan after Imran Khan is gone or likely these parties are just level 1 opportunists and don't care about people and system one bit
 
IK wanted 10 years but with the support of the Public, Bajwa and Munir took power at the point of a gun. There is a big difference
Im talking about hypocrisy of IK critics who accused him of consipracy to remain in power with help of Then Army chief and ISI chief. The same critics and champions of Democracy are now fine with FM taking unprecdented and unchecked seat at high table
 
@Major stood for nothing because if he did, he would have condemned this total destruction of the PK constitution any law that governs it. His post start with a celebration that IK will never come back and end the same back. He supports person specific laws like the current Junta.

@Major stance reminds me of noonie Javaid Latif who comically blames Establishment for faciltating Imran khan because Punishment of IK raised stature of IK in public eyes something that evaded his leader NS. Basically he made no sense and so does @Major
 
Thats the problem. These Ammendments Supposed to have effects on average Pakistani , of course better ones and the fact that these ammendments dnt as admitted by you is itself ironic proves the point the constitution has been Hijacked to benefit few Individuals


How will lifetime immunity help Pakistan fight our Enemies ? and you also admit that there is no one capable enough in Armed forces that can handle the duties , it has to be one specific person then its a matter of Shame for the institute

Bajwa wanted another extension , and IK wanted 10 years in power supposedly and both could nt act on it. Your FM went one step ahead actually managed to achieve same thing critics of IK feared and criticized day in day out and now they cheer him lol this country is filled with clowns
Brother time is very powerful. I repeat we have 2 very hostile neighbors to our east and west. This necessitates the need for drastic measures. When the threat subsides this can be reversed.

IK is responsible for the mess coming in from the west so I won't even talk about him.
 
PMLN and PPP agreed to such changes in constitution only because of fear of Imran Khan ? These things won't be reversed easily in future and do they not realise there will still be Pakistan after Imran Khan is gone or likely these parties are just level 1 opportunists and don't care about people and system one bit

26th was not Enough to Curtail IK fears
27th will not Be enough either

IK fear will remain as long as he is alive. How many ammendments this regime will need? they are worth a $ now
 
Im talking about hypocrisy of IK critics who accused him of consipracy to remain in power with help of Then Army chief and ISI chief. The same critics and champions of Democracy are now fine with FM taking unprecdented and unchecked seat at high table
You will have noticed that every accusation from these criminals against IK was an admission of what they planned to do. From recognising Israel to totally destroying any constitution and not having any opposition were allegedly plans of IK and look at what has happened.
@Mamoon accused IK of trying to kill NS, well who tried to kill who?
@Major claimed that the army was neutral in the VONC in 22, however dozens of people including Zubair and Diesel have confessed that Bajwa was behind the vote.

The problem is that while criminals illegally usurp power the economy has collapsed. We are borrowing like a drunken sailor, with exports dropping and no investment..we have gone back decades
 
Yes by killing PKs and selling it to the Zionists. Every accusation from the oath breakers was a confession.
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You keep posting the same picture. It changes nothing. Is it a crime to have friendly relations with the most powerful country in the world and have them as your ally?

People who hate honorable FM are:

Hindvata ideology
IK fans
Other enemies of the country like Afg

I'll let you decide which one you are.
 
You will have noticed that every accusation from these criminals against IK was an admission of what they planned to do. From recognising Israel to totally destroying any constitution and not having any opposition were allegedly plans of IK and look at what has happened.
@Mamoon accused IK of trying to kill NS, well who tried to kill who?
@Major claimed that the army was neutral in the VONC in 22, however dozens of people including Zubair and Diesel have confessed that Bajwa was behind the vote.

The problem is that while criminals illegally usurp power the economy has collapsed. We are borrowing like a drunken sailor, with exports dropping and no investment..we have gone back decades
Where have they recognized Israel? Shocking lies even by your standards Bewala.
 
Thats the problem. These Ammendments Supposed to have effects on average Pakistani , of course better ones and the fact that these ammendments dnt as admitted by you is itself ironic proves the point the constitution has been Hijacked to benefit few Individuals


How will lifetime immunity help Pakistan fight our Enemies ? and you also admit that there is no one capable enough in Armed forces that can handle the duties , it has to be one specific person then its a matter of Shame for the institute

Bajwa wanted another extension , and IK wanted 10 years in power supposedly and both could nt act on it. Your FM went one step ahead actually managed to achieve same thing critics of IK feared and criticized day in day out and now they cheer him lol this country is filled with clowns
"Your FM" who is yours? Some Afghan naanmaker or Indian tea seller?
 
Brother time is very powerful. I repeat we have 2 very hostile neighbors to our east and west. This necessitates the need for drastic measures. When the threat subsides this can be reversed.

IK is responsible for the mess coming in from the west so I won't even talk about him.
This is the classic playbook of authoritarian rulers who want unchecked and timeless power: exaggerate threats, manufacture a sense of siege, and then claim that only “extraordinary measures” can save the nation.The idea that a country with 240 million people, institutions, an army, and decades of statecraft will collapse without one specific individual is simply fear mongering. Nations are not personality cults , they survive through systems, not saviours. Every dictator in history has used the same justification “dangerous neighbours”, “security crisis”, “temporary measures” and those “temporary” measures always magically become permanent.
Strong democracies handle threats without suspending rights, silencing dissent, or concentrating power in one seat. If external pressure automatically justified authoritarianism, half the world would be living under dictatorships.
So no we don’t need a dictator to survive. We need functioning institutions, rule of law, and accountability. The idea that only one man can save the country is not patriotism; it’s political manipulation.
 
This is the classic playbook of authoritarian rulers who want unchecked and timeless power: exaggerate threats, manufacture a sense of siege, and then claim that only “extraordinary measures” can save the nation.The idea that a country with 240 million people, institutions, an army, and decades of statecraft will collapse without one specific individual is simply fear mongering. Nations are not personality cults , they survive through systems, not saviours. Every dictator in history has used the same justification “dangerous neighbours”, “security crisis”, “temporary measures” and those “temporary” measures always magically become permanent.
Strong democracies handle threats without suspending rights, silencing dissent, or concentrating power in one seat. If external pressure automatically justified authoritarianism, half the world would be living under dictatorships.
So no we don’t need a dictator to survive. We need functioning institutions, rule of law, and accountability. The idea that only one man can save the country is not patriotism; it’s political manipulation.
Afghanistan and Ind were never our friends but they were never this brazen and war mongering. Add an unpredictable Iran in the mix with some sensitive situations internally and you are looking at a very dangerous situation for us if right people are not in power.
 
even if IK’s election was rigged, that doesn’t automatically justify rigging the next one. One wrong doesn’t validate another. That’s not a logical argument that’s just deflection
It is not deflecting - if you didnt open your mouth then you have no moral ground to do it now. In any case there is no proof that elections were rigged.
 
Afghanistan and Ind were never our friends but they were never this brazen and war mongering. Add an unpredictable Iran in the mix with some sensitive situations internally and you are looking at a very dangerous situation for us if right people are not in power.

You mean to Say that 240 Million people of this country arw incapable of choosing right people in power? you repeated same thing in response Fear mongering to Justify authority

You cant Create a problem ( Lack of civil leadership through years of Dictatorship ) and then act as Messiah
 
It is not deflecting - if you didnt open your mouth then you have no moral ground to do it now. In any case there is no proof that elections were rigged.

who said that? Our Relegion does nt say if you Sinned then you need to shut your mouth indefinitely. it teaches us to be better. did you invent this morality in your head?

Yes there will never be a proof because you say so
 
You mean to Say that 240 Million people of this country arw incapable of choosing right people in power? you repeated same thing in response Fear mongering to Justify authority

You cant Create a problem ( Lack of civil leadership through years of Dictatorship ) and then act as Messiah
No one denies our forces role in politics is not ideal in a true democratic ideal world but we are not a perfect society. This is the need of the hour till we become a more developed nation. See China they are better than other so called democracies. That said, I was watching KA's interview with Mehdi Hasan and he confirmed that civilian and military leadership are always on the same page on big issues and that as Defense Minister he has his authority.
 
No one denies our forces role in politics is not ideal in a true democratic ideal world but we are not a perfect society. This is the need of the hour till we become a more developed nation. See China they are better than other so called democracies. That said, I was watching KA's interview with Mehdi Hasan and he confirmed that civilian and military leadership are always on the same page on big issues and that as Defense Minister he has his authority.
This is the oath they voluntarily signed up. Can a guy that isnt loyal to Allah be loyal to PK? No chance and his behaviour proves it. He was appointed by The CIA and thats why he was invited to the WH.


Pakistan Army Oath

“I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to Pakistan and uphold the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan which embodies the will of the people.

That I will not engage myself in any political activities whatsoever.

That I will honestly and faithfully serve Pakistan in the Pakistan Army (or Navy/Air Force as applicable) as required by law and always uphold the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and serve my country without fear or favour, affection or ill-will.”
 
No one denies our forces role in politics is not ideal in a true democratic ideal world but we are not a perfect society. This is the need of the hour till we become a more developed nation. See China they are better than other so called democracies. That said, I was watching KA's interview with Mehdi Hasan and he confirmed that civilian and military leadership are always on the same page on big issues and that as Defense Minister he has his authority.

You’re arguing from a contradiction.
On one hand you agree that military involvement in politics is “not ideal,” but then you justify it as a “need of the hour.” That’s exactly the problem: the situation never improves because the exception is treated as the norm.No society is perfect. Democracies improve because institutions are allowed to evolve. If you keep civilian leadership weak and then say “civil leadership is weak, so we need intervention,” that cycle will never break.
China’s governance model works for China, but it is not a democracy and isn’t comparable to Pakistan’s constitutional framework. Using China to justify military dominance in a democratic system is like comparing apples and oranges.
If civilian and military leadership were truly on the same page, we wouldn’t see repeated cycles where:
elected PMs are removed,
parties are engineered,policies swing with institutional clashes.
A defense minister “having authority” on TV doesn’t automatically translate into actual authority in decision-making.
 
No one denies our forces role in politics is not ideal in a true democratic ideal world but we are not a perfect society. This is the need of the hour till we become a more developed nation. See China they are better than other so called democracies. That said, I was watching KA's interview with Mehdi Hasan and he confirmed that civilian and military leadership are always on the same page on big issues and that as Defense Minister he has his authority.
No one denies the army role in politics to there is no evidence of their role. Are you OK?
 
So according to @RizwanT20Champ Munir has not interfered in Politcs and what's more there is no evidence. Apparently we have all imagined the destruction of the SC and the constitution, we have just imagined the lifetime of immunity, we have imagined the stealing of the Feb 8th election, we have imagined the murder of protesters, we have imagined the complaints of SC judges being threatened and other judges having cameras in bedrooms. We have imagined the elections not being held in 90 days in Punjab and KP as per SC orders or General Elections being held on time


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@Mamoon
 
I have reviewed the amendments in detail and found that they may actually be beneficial for democracy in the long run, although there are certain points (e.g., immunity for the Field Marshal and the CDF role) that are not democratically ideal. However, when we try to resolve major structural problems, the solutions sometimes create smaller issues as side effects, this is normal in any reform process.

I believe the main purpose of PML-N and PPP (and the reason Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari pushed strongly for this amendment despite heavy criticism) is to strengthen the parliament and the office of the Prime Minister. Historically, we have seen prime ministers become weak whenever the establishment withdraws its support, and pressure is created on the sitting government through the Supreme Court and certain judges. With these amendments, the role and influence of top judges and the Supreme Court have been reduced, meaning they will no longer be able to interfere in parliamentary decisions, nor will there be a high likelihood of a PM being disqualified. The FCC will handle all constitutional matters arising from parliament, and its judges will be appointed by the PM and the President. As a result, future decisions made by parliament will have supremacy over supreme court and will not be easily overturned as in the past.

For the first time, I can see Shehbaz Sharif completing a full term as Prime Minister, which is a positive sign. The parliamentary structure may stabilize. Additionally, creating the Chief of Defence Forces (CDF) role will unify military command and reduce internal friction between the Army, Navy, and Air Force.

So,
Stable institutions will results in Stable democracy.


On the other hand, granting immunity to the CDF position can be detrimental, as it may prevent accountability and could, in the worst case, allow unchecked power or the possibility of influencing parliament through non-democratic means.
 
Basically Pakistan is being managed and controlled from outside by USA annd its proxies Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar. The UK and Turkey are also part of this wider international establishment. They use Pak military for their vested interests in the region. Trump apparently is deeply interested in getting hold of minerals in Pakistan etc. They do not want to see an honest, popular and upright government in Pakistan. They want corrupt, incompetent politicians who they can easily influence and control with greed of money and power.

Makes one wonder if at least some of these terror attacks inside Pakistan were false flag operations or an inside job in order to divert people’s attention and to deter protests against this rushed through diabolical and farcical 27th consituational amendment by a fake unelected Form 47 Parliament.

Not a single bill has been passed by these clowns for the betterment of the common man!

Every bill and amendment passes by this corrupt self-serving ruling mafia has to do with protecting their own corruption/ looted wealth (+ ensuring no future court cases against them), facilitating or appeasing the military and army chief and weakening the judiciary. The Supreme Court that was already weakened after the 26th amendment has now been reduced to handling civilian and criminal cases. The newly created Federal constitutional court, with (hand-picked) judges nominated by the executive, will now be the most powerful court and operate above the current Supreme Court.

Our military that is a beneficiary of US dollars and weapons is only too willing to oblige the latter and will help change governments in Pakistan that are seemingly not complying with US interests in the region.
 
This is just a tamasha by N and PP to protect their already ruined legacy , they have no future if a free election is done tomorrow
 
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