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The Australian tour - Time for Pakistan cricketers to give back as good as they get?

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Reading this from Mickey Arthur

PakPassion.net : Are there any generic weaknesses in the players that you would like to work with and iron out?

Mickey Arthur : No, I don’t think so at all. I think they have just got to believe that they are as good as they actually are. One thing that I have noticed is that the Pakistan boys are very humble and soft individuals. I guess, I have come from a pretty tough school where the soft get eaten a lot and I am pretty keen to see them toughen up a little and give back what they get and stand their ground which they are doing now.

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Sledging classes?

Even Akhtar on TV felt that Pakistan bowlers dont talk that much to the batsmen.
 
Good stuff from mickey.
Wahab only does it when wound up.
Amir needs to start showing the passion in that regard. He has had his reintroduction now and should feel xonfident the team isnfully behind him if he was to get into a confrontation
 
Mickey saying all the right things. Lets see if any of this results in improved performances in the next 2 tours where they will need to be on top of their game.
 
Tbh Amir had that anger initially and then SK asked him to not show that attitude.He's been too nice no stares nothing just goes about completing his overs.Tbh he was not showing emotion on dropped catches till the second drop in Sharjah.
 
Tbh Amir had that anger initially and then SK asked him to not show that attitude.He's been too nice no stares nothing just goes about completing his overs.Tbh he was not showing emotion on dropped catches till the second drop in Sharjah.

Naseeb hi kharap hain Amir ka, he showed a lot of anger and disappointment, his catches started dropping ever since BPL, he has given up hope on fielders
 
You need a proper captain to sledge.

Can't see anyone in Pakistan who can take a lead.

Aussies were always tough.

Kohli is an exception in desis. Desis tend to be a bit soft.

But under kohli, you can see Indians testing the limits.

Can Pakistan do it? Only time will tell. But you need someone who has guts to dish it out.
 
You need a proper captain to sledge.

Can't see anyone in Pakistan who can take a lead.

Aussies were always tough.

Kohli is an exception in desis. Desis tend to be a bit soft.

But under kohli, you can see Indians testing the limits.

Can Pakistan do it? Only time will tell. But you need someone who has guts to dish it out.

Azhar Ali is a captain in the Misbah mould. Pakistani bowlers of the past have been aggressive so it would be interesting if their next captain was a bowler. But, currently there are no bowlers who can are settled (or senior) enough to be captains. In the future Amir could become the captain.
 
No point and we don't have anyone to do it either

Don't wanna be like Kohli who tried to sledge and ended up with egg on his face in 2014-15 where India failed to beat Australia in a single game over a 4 month tour
 
In the words of Sir Curtly Ambrose:

"If you're good enough, you don't need to sledge"
 
There is no need to sledge for the sake of it but i want the pacers to atleast glare at the batsmen every once in a while like a Curtly Ambrose.
 
No point and we don't have anyone to do it either

Don't wanna be like Kohli who tried to sledge and ended up with egg on his face in 2014-15 where India failed to beat Australia in a single game over a 4 month tour

Think Mickey's point is for us to respond in kind.
 
There is no need to sledge for the sake of it but i want the pacers to atleast glare at the batsmen every once in a while like a Curtly Ambrose.

If our pacers want to really mess with the Aussie batsmen they should go the opposite direction and be as nice as posible. Encourage them and clap them throughout their innings, go up to them and give them coaching tips and suggest technical improvements whenever they play and miss. Poor guys will be so confused they won't know what hit them.
 
No point and we don't have anyone to do it either

Don't wanna be like Kohli who tried to sledge and ended up with egg on his face in 2014-15 where India failed to beat Australia in a single game over a 4 month tour

Drew 2 Tests out of 4. Not many subcontinent teams did that.
 
Drew 2 Tests out of 4. Not many subcontinent teams did that.

Yea but lost 5-6 times to Aus. Apart from Adelaide test Indja was never even in a position to win these matches. And even Gavaskar agreed that whenever Kohli or Indians tried to sledge they made mistakes and performance dropped
 
You need a proper captain to sledge.

Can't see anyone in Pakistan who can take a lead.

Aussies were always tough.

Kohli is an exception in desis. Desis tend to be a bit soft.

But under kohli, you can see Indians testing the limits.

Can Pakistan do it? Only time will tell. But you need someone who has guts to dish it out.

Current indian players look funny when they sledge. Making weird faces, imitating opposition players injury isn't sledging.

Guys like Kumble, Zaheer, Ganguly were tough. Srinath was a softie. I still remember when he hit ponting's helmet and went to apologise but ponting being ponting asked him to go back to his run up rudely. I saw similar reaction from kohli to rubel hussain few years ago. Sreesanth was a joker. Dhawan and rohit are fake too.
 
No point and we don't have anyone to do it either

Don't wanna be like Kohli who tried to sledge and ended up with egg on his face in 2014-15 where India failed to beat Australia in a single game over a 4 month tour

My boy Shehzad would sledge Mitchell Johnson all day, all night long.
 
I think the idea is quite dangerous.

The last thing you want is the batsmen losing their discipline.

I fully agree that Wahab and Amir need to be aggressive though.

To me, the most important thing is to very publically and blatantly and demonstratively stop the match every single time an Aussie fielder throws his return into the dirt, and to complain to the umpire about ball tampering.

Every single time. I want to see the Pakistan batsman point his bat at the fielder who has just done it, and walk over to the square leg umpire to complain.

Australia will take a few wickets with the new Kookaburra, but the only way this attack can take 20 Pakistan wickets is to doctor the ball and use reverse swing between overs 20 and 80.

Everybody knows this. And we all know that no team has yet challenged whether throwing the ball into the dirt is a breach of ICC playing condition 42 (attached) - and I argue that it is.

http://static.icc-cricket.com/ugc/d...D768E4902737F0ACA2E856B_1352699203813_266.pdf

There is nothing in the rule or the playing condition that exclusively outlaws the use of tools and legalises the deliberate throwing of a ball into the dirt.

And I think that Pakistan can crush Australia if they point out this behaviour EVERY SINGLE TIME IT HAPPENS.
 
pakistanis can definitely take the upper hand if they start sticking it to the aussies. sledging can work and has worked for pakistanis in the recent past. and if u take a backward step against the aussies they will climb all over u.


dilshan's career was over within 2 years of the following incidents.


 
Teams won't challenge the ways teams try and scuff up the ball because they all do it, the most you'll ever see is the batsman pick up the ball like he's examining it and hope that the umpires get the hint. We might see the English players/media whinge in post match conferences if they get destroyed by reverse swing the next time they tour Australia but I can't see anyone else kicking up a stink.
 
pakistanis can definitely take the upper hand if they start sticking it to the aussies. sledging can work and has worked for pakistanis in the recent past. and if u take a backward step against the aussies they will climb all over u.


dilshan's career was over within 2 years of the following incidents.



Are you suggesting that Dilshan retired because he was scared of Shezhad's proselytising?
 
pakistanis can definitely take the upper hand if they start sticking it to the aussies. sledging can work and has worked for pakistanis in the recent past. and if u take a backward step against the aussies they will climb all over u.


dilshan's career was over within 2 years of the following incidents.



I actually think that the ICC should have banned Shehzad for life for that incident. I actually vaguely considered reporting him to Australia's National Security Hotline before the World Cup - I don't think a man like him should be allowed entry to a secular nation like this. I decided against it, of course, and still wonder whether I did the right thing!
 
Thread op is about Australia tour so let's get back to that
 
Teams won't challenge the ways teams try and scuff up the ball because they all do it, the most you'll ever see is the batsman pick up the ball like he's examining it and hope that the umpires get the hint. We might see the English players/media whinge in post match conferences if they get destroyed by reverse swing the next time they tour Australia but I can't see anyone else kicking up a stink.

Yes, I understand that that is the received logic.

But Australia and India are the two teams which have been "working" the ball the most in Tests this last 18 months.

And with Pattinson and Cummins unfit, and Harris and Johnson newly retired, there are real potential benefits to Pakistan making a fuss about it.

Mitchell Marsh's only threat with the ball is after it has been roughed up on one side, and the same is true of Peter Siddle. My suggestion is that Pakistan make such a song and dance about it that the umpires have to look into it and Warner - who is the main culprit - has to cut it out.
 
There's been a lot of hand wringing about whether the current Australian team should be sledging. So, could be a quiet series .
 
The bowlers need to be aggressive , you should mind when you get hit for a 4 and you should definitely when someone drops a dolly of your bowling. I dont want to see our bowlers smiling all the time even when they are taken to cleaners.
 
Its not like the Australians will have enough material to sledge with now is it.
 
Smith,starc,Hazelwood,and Warner other than that there is no one to fear in this Aussie team. No need to sledge just answer with ball and bat. Be aggressive when possible in a controlled fashion. Don't just go for big shots unnescerliy and keep bowling bouncers with no plan and for no reason.

Think we have a good chance in Australia,don't care wwhat pp experts say we have a chance of upsetting the Aussies.
 
Good stuff by Mickey but other than Amir or Wahab,and(maybe) Sohail,no one in the current team can sledge the opposition properly.
 
A player needs to be able to speak proper English to even sledge Aus players. Sledging looks clownish if the player speaks broken English.

I still remember Rohit Sharma sledging in Hindi and Warner told him to speak English :)))
 
A bad Aussie team will always beat even a good PK team at home. We have won only 3 test matches in Aust in the last 40 years. Both batsman and bowlers freeze under pressure.
 
I don't think waiting until you've lost the game is good timing.

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true. but check out the first clip of shezad i posted where he was holding on to dilshan's bat. dilshan had no idea how to counter that :))). and pakistan smashed sri lanka in that game iirc
 
I'm sure the QF 2015 will be haunting the Aussies, if it wasn't for that one man whose name I don't even want to mention dropping that catch Pak would have rolled through them.
 
I'm sure the QF 2015 will be haunting the Aussies, if it wasn't for that one man whose name I don't even want to mention dropping that catch Pak would have rolled through them.

Teams generally don't feel haunted by games they won.
 
Doesn't change the fact that we would have rolled through them, that is quite haunting tbh no matter what the end result was.

Seems to me like you're the one haunted by that game.
 
Sledging is not equal to quality. Tendulkar, Dravid, Sanga, etc never sledged.

Sachin has sledged as has Sanga. Obviously they weren't shouting at a player's face, but there's more than one way to sledge.

Sachin went up to McGrath and said "I'm going to smash you all over this place".

Sledging is a part of sport.
 
I actually think that the ICC should have banned Shehzad for life for that incident. I actually vaguely considered reporting him to Australia's National Security Hotline before the World Cup - I don't think a man like him should be allowed entry to a secular nation like this. I decided against it, of course, and still wonder whether I did the right thing!

:))) Junaids bhaijaan taking matters into his own hands.

I think you should have. Would've played a proper opener instead then.

On topic I think we have bigger technical issues to fix then looking tough and giving it back or whatever.
 
No point and we don't have anyone to do it either

Don't wanna be like Kohli who tried to sledge and ended up with egg on his face in 2014-15 where India failed to beat Australia in a single game over a 4 month tour

Lol wut..

Firstly, it was the Aussies who sledged Kohli in that series with the spoilt brat comment, with Kohli's character, he would've appeared a bit of a wuss had he not replied to the sledging. Secondly, sledging isn't just about the end result, it's about the one on one on-field player battles that makes the match interesting and captivating to watch.

Aamer Sohail wouldn't have appeared stupid in that sledging incident if he had hit a century, yet Pakistan lost the QF in 96 like they did in that tournament. But he appeared stupid because he got his stumps clattered all over the place just after he sledged Prasad in the previous delivery. If you aren't supposed when your team is losing, then we won't see too many sledging incidents at all.
 
KARACHI: After their gallant defeat in the opening Test of the three-match series against Australia earlier this week in Brisbane, a Pakistan-born sports psychologist has urged Misbah-ul-Haq’s men to be more aggressive and give ***-for-tat to the Aussies in the remaining two games.

Taimoor Ali Khan, a former first-class player who played for Islamabad in the 1990s, has been based in the UK since 1999 and did his MBA and MSc in Elite Performance Sport Psychology from the School of Sport, Health and Exercise Science at the Bangor University, Gwyned in Wales.

Commenting on Pakistan’s 39-run loss in the day-night match at the Gabba, Taimoor observed the touring team’s bowlers were ‘soft’ toward the Australian batsmen and allowed the home side dominate for most of the game.

“The biggest problem the Pakistan team facing is the soft image of their fast bowlers. Even though they have got pace and skill of fast bowlers, they lack the personality to unsettle the batsmen,” Taimoor told Dawn from England on Thursday. “I have failed to understand that who has advised Wahab Riaz and Yasir Shah to keep smiling at the opposing batsmen? Because psychologically, smile gives comfort to person you are playing against.

“I have noticed when Wahab gets hit for a six, he smiles whereas he should adopt a serious look and express anger at the batsmen. Sadly our bowlers don’t even say anything to the batsmen to break their concentration.

“Batsmen psychologically want comfort at the crease and bowlers and fielders need to make sure that they [batsmen] do not settle and find comfort while batting. But by smiling Wahab and Yasir are making opposing batsmen comfortable in the middle.”

Taimoor pointed out that the Pakistan bowlers of the past era were more mean that the current lot now at Misbah’s disposal.

“Did we ever see Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Saqlain Mushtaq and Shoaib Akhtar smiling at the batsmen after getting hit for a boundary? Never, if memory serves me correct. They were always at the batsman’s face, gave a mean stare or said something and unsettled them by putting doubt in their mind,” Taimoor reminded. “Now Wahab, Yasir and other bowlers in the team are too soft at the opposition; probably making efforts hard enough to get the badge of a ‘Good Guy’ for some reason. Smiling is not sportsmanship and you do not smile after being hit for a boundary or when opponents have amassed 400-plus totals.

“I strongly believe that the only part lacking in the Pakistan team is aggression from the bowling unit. They must stop smiling when they walk onto the field and need to show controlled aggression and anger as if to say that they mean business and there are playing to compete on equal terms.

Taimoor also advised the Pakistan team to score psychological points by learning the art of doing it.

“I think in modern day cricket, it is a very important factor that we tend to overlook. If you hear or read whatever they say at the media conferences, it’s more like bland stuff.

“To challenge the opponents, it is imperative to be aggressive from onset. Whenever Pakistan tour Australia, England or even New Zealand, they approach the series with a mindset of winning a game or two at the most if the home side had experienced a bad day or someone had performed a miracle,” he explained. “In modern day cricket pre-match and post-match media conferences have become a norm. This is a brilliant opportunity for players and coaches who are nominated to speak at the briefings. They should go there well prepared with an agenda and wordings that can create doubt in the opposition players.

“Highlighting their weakness publicly will put doubt in conscious or subconscious mind of your opponents. Players who are performing well are normally made target of such approach. The purpose of planting seed of doubt in your opponents’ mind is to hinder their performance and make their mind focus on that problem.

“This results in attentional control system of mind to disturb the focus. Such doubts also have an impact on neural transmission where signals from mind to body are interrupted which in the sport science term, have a negative effect on muscle memory, body movement or motor skills.

“Cricket these days demands relentlessness and controlled aggression. Batsmen look to settle down when they arrive at the crease. Methods and tactics need to be adopted to unsettle batsmen early on to give bowlers the opportunity to get them out. There are 15 individuals on the field at any given time, including the two umpires. The 11 players of the fielding side need to create an environment on the field which is unfriendly, neither comfortable nor settling.

“The body language, controlled verbal attack and face expressions have to be such that gives the two batsmen a very unwelcoming environment. Our senses are receptive to environment which has a massive impact on mind.

“On a cricket field environment is created by the fielding team through their energy, approach, aggression, attacking fielding placements and above all fearsome body language,” Taimoor concluded.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1303925/sports-psychologist-urges-pakistan-to-give-aussies-***-for-tat-dose
 
Bar the pointless clapping from Wahab, our bowlers don't have the language skills to sledge .

Unless the Ozzies learn to speak Urdu they won't have the language skills to sledge either.

Every inferiority complex surfaces on tours to Australia.

Compared to the dour, thuggish Aussies, I always think it is beauitful to watch Pakistani and Sri Lankan players laughing and joshing each other during the games.

People confuse performance with attitude.
 
This is one poor psychologist. Unable to differentiate between Yasir and Wahab's smile. The latter's is a sarcastic one when he has a batsman beaten all ends up. Yasir does not smile when he gets hit for boundaries.
 
It all starts with the captain. Our captain is a timid introvert. Under Sarfaraz, every one of our bowler's body language changed. They were quite aggressive.
 
The press conference bit might look a load of nonsense but it actually has its uses too. Especially when the opposition team is struggling to cope up with the conditions and unsure about which game to adopt. Cheeky pre or post match interviews might sow seeds of doubts into the opposition's minds. In the Ind-Eng series, Kohli's post match press conferences were insightful but had a touch of cunning element too.

At Vizag, England decide to do a blockathon and end up getting bowled shortly after lunch on the last day. Kohli comes out and says that he was surprised by the English defensive approach. Goes on to say that you can't survive in India just by blocking and that you need to have an aggressive intent.

Next match at Mohali, England decide to take a more aggressive approach but end up giving their wickets away by playing a lot of loose shots and make a subpar first innings total. India wins the match comfortably as well and Kohli says that England don't have confidence in their defense and that a strong defense is the most important aspect of batting in the subcontinent.

He might have gave his honest views but there seemed a bit of a trollish element to his interviews and it almost appeared like he ended up playing England with his mind games.
 
At Vizag, England decide to do a blockathon and end up getting bowled shortly after lunch on the last day. Kohli comes out and says that he was surprised by the English defensive approach. Goes on to say that you can't survive in India just by blocking and that you need to have an aggressive intent.

Next match at Mohali, England decide to take a more aggressive approach but end up giving their wickets away by playing a lot of loose shots and make a subpar first innings total. India wins the match comfortably as well and Kohli says that England don't have confidence in their defense and that a strong defense is the most important aspect of batting in the subcontinent.

He might have gave his honest views but there seemed a bit of a trollish element to his interviews and it almost appeared like he ended up playing England with his mind games.

Eng showed a good defense in Vizag and then Kohli criticizing them about defense in the next match after egging them to play aggressively was simply about mind games. Yah, balancing attack with defense is common sense, but Kohli was simply playing mind games here.
 
You can be aggressive without opening your mouth, just give the batsman a stare after every ball like Starc does. In a typical Starc over he will stare you down six times and only verbally hurl expletives and sledge you once or twice in the over. Pakistan's bowlers have eyes, and that's all you need for states. Forget about sledging
 
Not sure it's required. There's really been nothing to respond to. But yes pakistan should expect Australia to come hard at them in Melbourne early in to the match. The tail should also expect a barrage
 
The Zenith of our sledging is the pointless clapping by Wahab, if that is all we have, then just concentrate on the cricket.
 
There are two teams who you need to show some verbal intent actually. One is Australia and the other is SA. Show your intent and that you're here to win. Partly through aggression- non verbal and verbal.
 
The time is now: snarl, prowl and use adrenaline when in the field

Australia will not be defeated by just simple disciplined cricket in the field. That will take us a long way, but we need the good old fashioned fuller length deliveries to get them coming forward and some swing aimed at the stumps at times too.

Show them that we mean business!

Come on!!!

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!! 😄🇵🇰💚😄🇵🇰💚
 
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Australia will not be defeated by just simple disciplined cricket in the field. It needs good old fashioned fuller length deliveries!

Show them that we mean business!

Come on!!!

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!! 😄🇵🇰💚😄🇵🇰💚

As I had said earlier in the day!

It won't be anything quiet like what they have experienced before but they have been training their whole lives for this moment, one of the grandest stages of them all and a showcase of legends; it's an opportunity at cricketing immortality just like it was for those who came before them in 1992. Genius will flourish, this Pakistani cricket team in recent time embody a special fighting spirit and "it" quality which can't be explained, cricket for them isn't just a sport it's a way of life, it's a metaphor for life and fighting without fighting; when all is said and done, Australia won't know what hit them. Much like most fans who will be in awe of what they"ll call magic when Misbah and his men would have known the one thing which others didn't all along!

Join us brothers! in our circle of controlled positive aggression, let our energy shake the foundations of the MCG as the fighting spirit within the men in green brings down the juggernaut that is Australia! [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

Allah hu! Pakistan Zindabad!

:AR15firin:bash::2gunsfiri:comeandge:Torch_ani:AAG:AAG:pkflag:pkflag:pakflag2:pakflag2:pakflag2
 
As I had said earlier in the day!

It won't be anything quiet like what they have experienced before but they have been training their whole lives for this moment, one of the grandest stages of them all and a showcase of legends; it's an opportunity at cricketing immortality just like it was for those who came before them in 1992. Genius will flourish, this Pakistani cricket team in recent time embody a special fighting spirit and "it" quality which can't be explained, cricket for them isn't just a sport it's a way of life, it's a metaphor for life and fighting without fighting; when all is said and done, Australia won't know what hit them. Much like most fans who will be in awe of what they"ll call magic when Misbah and his men would have known the one thing which others didn't all along!

Join us brothers! in our circle of controlled positive aggression, let our energy shake the foundations of the MCG as the fighting spirit within the men in green brings down the juggernaut that is Australia! [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

Allah hu! Pakistan Zindabad!

:AR15firin:bash::2gunsfiri:comeandge:Torch_ani:AAG:AAG:pkflag:pkflag:pakflag2:pakflag2:pakflag2

THAT'S THE SPIRIT!!!

Jeetega bha jeetega...Pakistan jeetega!!!

Pakistan ka Matlab Kya?! La ilaha illalah!!

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!!!! 😄🇵🇰💚😄🇵🇰💚😄🇵🇰💚😄🇵🇰💚
 
Always something to reflect on!!

"If" by Rudyard Kipling

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
 
THAT'S THE SPIRIT!!!

Jeetega bha jeetega...Pakistan jeetega!!!

Pakistan ka Matlab Kya?! La ilaha illalah!!


PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!!!! ��������������������������������

:)))

Mate you've made me feel like am at Edgbaston cricket ground during a Pakistan game, would be one hell of a holiday gift on Boxing day am also glad that the game will be starting around 11:30pm to midnight here in the UK
 
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Mate you've made me feel like am at Edgbaston cricket ground during a Pakistan game, would be one hell of a holiday gift on Boxing day am also glad that the game will be starting around 11:30pm to midnight here in the UK

I'm from Birmingham.

This is me in Manchester. Was at all four tests this summer!



I want to see us play with passion, aggression and adrenaline like I saw this summer!! 💚🇵🇰💚🇵🇰💚🇵🇰
 
Hahaha, it is more important to play Cricket in the right spirit than to actually win games under Misbah ul haq.
 
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