The Babar Azam versus Virat Kohli captaincy comparison

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Isn’t Kohli the most foul mouthed individual. I’ll Never forget the barrage of abuse I received in 2012 when the swearing &#55358;&#56620; stunned me to the point that he did himself a serious disservice. It highlights what a level headed and grounded man Root, Tendulkar, Williamson et al are</p>— Nick Compton (@thecompdog) <a href="https://twitter.com/thecompdog/status/1427973637865361408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Isn’t Kohli the most foul mouthed individual. I’ll Never forget the barrage of abuse I received in 2012 when the swearing �� stunned me to the point that he did himself a serious disservice. It highlights what a level headed and grounded man Root, Tendulkar, Williamson et al are</p>— Nick Compton (@thecompdog) <a href="https://twitter.com/thecompdog/status/1427973637865361408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not like the England players are angels themselves. Buttler was caught swearing on the stump mic not too long ago, Stokes was swearing at a fan not too long ago either. The way I see it, in the heat of the battle its fair game. And the only thing that matters is whether or not you can back up the big talk with your performances.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Virat Kohli in the team huddle before England's chase:

"Koi aisa haste huwe dikha na mere ko, un ke players ke samne, toh dekh lena. Theek Hai?"

Then concludes: "60 overs should feel like hell out there"

This is what a captain sounds like.

 

[BreadPakoda]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Isn’t Kohli the most foul mouthed individual. I’ll Never forget the barrage of abuse I received in 2012 when the swearing �� stunned me to the point that he did himself a serious disservice. It highlights what a level headed and grounded man Root, Tendulkar, Williamson et al are</p>— Nick Compton (@thecompdog) <a href="https://twitter.com/thecompdog/status/1427973637865361408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Expect England to always find something to sook about. Too much spin, too many straight balls, not the ideal weather, now poor on field behavior, anything.

 

[MP2011]

Expect England to always find something to sook about. Too much spin, too many straight balls, not the ideal weather, now poor on field behavior, anything.

lol, I still remember the almighty sook English had about getting dismissed on straight balls in Ahmedabad test!

You won't find bigger sooks than these guys, will sook about anything and everything!

 

[pillionrider]

English level

I clearly stated only 5 test wins when removing lesser teams, so that means I am counting England, SA, NA and Australia only.

Your Maths was torn to shreds earlier. I suggest you don't embarass yourself further, trying to pull up others on their English, or I'll be happy to dissect your blunders for you

So you don't think much of Kohli's captaincy. That much is established. What's your view on the OP? If Kohli is bad, what is Babar?

 

[Proactive_]

"if I see someone laughing, then see! This 60 overs you should field like hell".

I don't think this is a representation of anything to be honest. The same captain pretty much waved the white flag in the WTC Final 2 hours before the match was completed. Where was all this "aggression" and "intensity" then when everything was on the line with India defending 140 runs?

All thanks to the Indian bowlers (for their bowling & batting) setting up a target beyond England's reach allowing Kohli to go on autopilot and relentlessly attack for 60 overs, and even then he almost cost the match with his Buttler drop. The bigger news should be how he let this abomination of a batting line up get to almost 400 runs in the first innings.

 

[AMSS]

I don't think this is a representation of anything to be honest. The same captain pretty much waved the white flag in the WTC Final 2 hours before the match was completed. Where was all this "aggression" and "intensity" then when everything was on the line with India defending 140 runs?

All thanks to the Indian bowlers (for their bowling & batting) setting up a target beyond England's reach allowing Kohli to go on autopilot and relentlessly attack for 60 overs, and even then he almost cost the match with his Buttler drop. The bigger news should be how he let this abomination of a batting line up get to almost 400 runs in the first innings.

So Kohli doesn't get credit for the job bowlers did on last day but gets all the blame for allowing ENG to score 400 in first inning. Either Kohli gets all the credit AND the blame or he gets none. Kohli is a subpar captain but your posts are laughable.

 

[Proactive_]

So Kohli doesn't get credit for the job bowlers did on last day but gets all the blame for allowing ENG to score 400 in first inning. Either Kohli gets all the credit AND the blame or he gets none. Kohli is a subpar captain but your posts are laughable.

What exactly did Kohli have to do on the final day? The target was 270+ in two sessions. The only plausible thing to do is to keep fielders in catching positions and relentlessly attack. If he's such an aggressive and intentful captain then why did he shut shop so meekly when the target was 140 in the WTC Final? Not to mention the New Zealand team had taken 8 wickets in under 100 runs on Day 5 leading up to the final run chase so it isn't like India couldn't afford a fight.

I guess he wasn't as inept as Root was putting everyone on the boundary for two tailenders, if that's what counts enough for good captaincy for you then I have no words

 

[BreadPakoda]

What exactly did Kohli have to do on the final day? The target was 270+ in two sessions. The only plausible thing to do is to keep fielders in catching positions and relentlessly attack. If he's such an aggressive and intentful captain then why did he shut shop so meekly when the target was 140 in the WTC Final? Not to mention the New Zealand team had taken 8 wickets in under 100 runs on Day 5 leading up to the final run chase so it isn't like India couldn't afford a fight.

I guess he wasn't as inept as Root was putting everyone on the boundary for two tailenders, if that's what counts enough for good captaincy for you then I have no words

If you think “putting fielders in catching positions” is all that is needed to wrap up a team in under 60 overs then that tells a lot about your understanding of the game.

 

[AMSS]

What exactly did Kohli have to do on the final day? The target was 270+ in two sessions. The only plausible thing to do is to keep fielders in catching positions and relentlessly attack. If he's such an aggressive and intentful captain then why did he shut shop so meekly when the target was 140 in the WTC Final? Not to mention the New Zealand team had taken 8 wickets in under 100 runs on Day 5 leading up to the final run chase so it isn't like India couldn't afford a fight.

I guess he wasn't as inept as Root was putting everyone on the boundary for two tailenders, if that's what counts enough for good captaincy for you then I have no words

No, I said you are unable to see the basic logical errors in your post and that's sad and hilarious at once. No need for typing out another unreadable block of text riddled with smileys. Makes you look a try-hard.

 

[Proactive_]

If you think “putting fielders in catching positions” is all that is needed to wrap up a team in under 60 overs then that tells a lot about your understanding of the game.

Yeah, good bowlers are needed too. Thankfully India has that.

 

[Proactive_]

No, I said you are unable to see the basic logical errors in your post and that's sad and hilarious at once. No need for typing out another unreadable block of text riddled with smileys. Makes you look a try-hard.

Thanks for the insightful post. I really feel enlightened by the sheer logicality of your reply!

 

[BreadPakoda]

Yeah, good bowlers are needed too. Thankfully India has that.

There are at least 11 so called “catching positions” on the cricket field that I can think off the top of my head. And there is something called bowling strategy. Who bowls where, how many overs does a bowler bowl in a spell, etc.

“Placing fielders in catching positions and attacking” is a very simplistic view of things.

 

[Sir Alex]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Isn’t Kohli the most foul mouthed individual. I’ll Never forget the barrage of abuse I received in 2012 when the swearing &#55358;&#56620; stunned me to the point that he did himself a serious disservice. It highlights what a level headed and grounded man Root, Tendulkar, Williamson et al are</p>— Nick Compton (@thecompdog) <a href="https://twitter.com/thecompdog/status/1427973637865361408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 18, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

India will be happy to see how much as a team they have managed to get under the opposition's skin.

Also it is hypocrisy of the highest order that Compton is finding Kohli abusive when he has played along side likes of Anderson, Stokes etc.

 

[Proactive_]

There are at least 11 so called “catching positions” on the cricket field that I can think off the top of my head. And there is something called bowling strategy. Who bowls where, how many overs does a bowler bowl in a spell, etc.

“Placing fielders in catching positions and attacking” is a very simplistic view of things.

And in the same vein I'm sure you understand the added complexity when the captain actually has to defend a score which can be plausibly chased in two sessions. As I mentioned, Kohli didn't display anything of this sort of captaincy when he was defending 140 in 1 and a half sessions vs NZ just two months back. The same captain allowed the opposition to score almost 400 in the 1st innings in arguably worse conditions for batting.

Of course those 10 "catching positions" might sound pretty complex to novices with no professional experience. But for Kohli who had a 5 man bowling attack with zero weak links, 60 overs to bowl and a target that cannot be chased - I don't quite see the level of deep critical thinking that you're implying here.

 

[BreadPakoda]

And in the same vein I'm sure you understand the added complexity when the captain actually has to defend a score which can be plausibly chased in two sessions. As I mentioned, Kohli didn't display anything of this sort of captaincy when he was defending 140 in 1 and a half sessions vs NZ just two months back. The same captain allowed the opposition to score almost 400 in the 1st innings in arguably worse conditions for batting.

Of course those 10 "catching positions" might sound pretty complex to novices with no professional experience. But for Kohli who had a 5 man bowling attack with zero weak links, 60 overs to bowl and a target that cannot be chased - I don't quite see the level of deep critical thinking that you're implying here.

Yes. So there’s no strategy required to bowl out an opposition under 60 overs on the last day of a test? Just have fielders in “catching position” and bowl “aggressively”? Just randomly bowl one bowler after another. Don’t decide what lines to bowl. Just bowl aggressively and put fielders where the ball will go. Laughable.

Also, an almost similar line up under Kohli dismissed England for 180 odd in the first innings of the first test too. England wasn’t under any pressure since it was the first innings. How do you explain that?

India bowls well. Credit goes to bowlers. India bowls badly. Blame Kohli.

I guess the other poster was dead right. You’re just a waste of time.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Indian pace bowlers under Kohli have one of the best records. Home / away. But hey, Kohli once allowed England to score “almost” 400 in a match that India, ironically, won.

 

[Proactive_]

Yes. So there’s no strategy required to bowl out an opposition under 60 overs on the last day of a test? Just have fielders in “catching position” and bowl “aggressively”? Just randomly bowl one bowler after another. Don’t decide what lines to bowl. Just bowl aggressively and put fielders where the ball will go. Laughable.

Also, an almost similar line up under Kohli dismissed England for 180 odd in the first innings of the first test too. England wasn’t under any pressure since it was the first innings. How do you explain that?

India bowls well. Credit goes to bowlers. India bowls badly. Blame Kohli.

I guess the other poster was dead right. You’re just a waste of time.

You're free to point out the "strategy" aspect that you're implying again and again and not able to substantiate on.

Also it's hilarious to see you and the other poster resorting to personal remarks when you have nothing else to say. Sorry but that's some typical Kohli fan boy mentality right there. But I agree, I guess it's pointless to continue the discussion.

 

[BreadPakoda]

You're free to point out the "strategy" aspect that you're implying again and again and not able to substantiate on.

Also it's hilarious to see you and the other poster resorting to personal remarks when you have nothing else to say. Sorry but that's some typical Kohli fan boy mentality right there. But I agree, I guess it's pointless to continue the discussion.

I’m a hardcore Kohli critic but I have a bigger problem with logical fallacies.

 

[AMSS]

You're free to point out the "strategy" aspect that you're implying again and again and not able to substantiate on.

Also it's hilarious to see you and the other poster resorting to personal remarks when you have nothing else to say. Sorry but that's some typical Kohli fan boy mentality right there. But I agree, I guess it's pointless to continue the discussion.

LMAO. Pointing out a school boy error in logic in your post is not a personal attack.

 

[Babbar]

The thread has predictably become a troll-fest!

 

[MP2011]

The thread has predictably become a troll-fest!

Biggest irony is that trolls are trolling even after we won this test against all odds under Kohli. I wonder what would've been trolls' reaction if Rahane was leading us in this test!