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The best left-arm pacers of this era: Mohammed Amir, Mitchell Starc and Joel Paris?

Aman said:
Starc will finish ahead of Amir in LOI's due to his ability to bowl more jaffas.

I see Amir finishing comfortably ahead of Starc in Tests as he has much better control and can work batsmen over.

By doing so, he'll be able to nick top order batsmen off or get them lbw in front.

The other left armers in world cricket aren't on the same level as these two.
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I think people forget that when Strac was bowling those same Yorkers at 140 2 years back he was not that effective... He become very dangerous when he starts bowling those Yorkers at 150, but that has put lot of strain on his body, can he still bowl at 150 after ankle surgery? - Strac is relying upon his pace a lot in last year or so...

Where as Amir was bowling at 135/138 in English summer and had some memorable spells.... Even now in Odi he was not bowling very quick against NZ, but still was very effective...but Amir would never be able to bowl Yorkers like Strac... Same way Strac can never bowl bouncers like Johnson, his action was designed to bowl heaviest ball world has seen...

Also, Amir is more of a complete fast bowler he can bowl many lengths and swing a lot better... He is not just pace, his technique, skill and control are key assets along with lively pace(not out an out pace)

I agree that Strac and Amir are at different level, others are not there... Rabada is the only other fast bowler who looks like a complete fast bowler... In this generation there will be completion between These three (assuming Strac recovers fully)...


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yasir said:
I think people forget that when Strac was bowling those same Yorkers at 140 2 years back he was not that effective... He become very dangerous when he starts bowling those Yorkers at 150, but that has put lot of strain on his body, can he still bowl at 150 after ankle surgery? - Strac is relying upon his pace a lot in last year or so...

Where as Amir was bowling at 135/138 in English summer and had some memorable spells.... Even now in Odi he was not bowling very quick against NZ, but still was very effective...but Amir would never be able to bowl Yorkers like Strac... Same way Strac can never bowl bouncers like Johnson, his action was designed to bowl heaviest ball world has seen...

Also, Amir is more of a complete fast bowler he can bowl many lengths and swing a lot better... He is not just pace, his technique, skill and control are key assets along with lively pace(not out an out pace)

I agree that Strac and Amir are at different level, others are not there... Rabada is the only other fast bowler who looks like a complete fast bowler... In this generation there will be completion between These three (assuming Strac recovers fully)...


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Add Boult and Finn to that list.
 
Bilal7 said:
Add Boult and Finn to that list.
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I don't think Boult and Finn are at same level... Finn has hard time in making the side regularly in last 5 years, where as if you ask Brits selectors, would you like to play Amir in ashes? - they will say yes with their eyes closed [emoji6][emoji6][emoji6]


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yasir said:
I don't think Boult and Finn are at same level... Finn has hard time in making the side regularly in last 5 years, where as if you ask Brits selectors, would you like to play Amir in ashes? - they will say yes with their eyes closed [emoji6][emoji6][emoji6]


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You are probably right but it would be good for world cricket if the top five bowling teams all have a world-class pace bowler.
 
Bump.

How do you think the pacers stand atm?

I think [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] bhai was harsh on Fizz in the OP and he belongs in this list as does Trent Boult. Joel Paris should be removed from the list until he makes a sizeable contribution.
 
The Gulf of class between Starc and Amir has widened quite a bit.

Starc just had an impressive outing in both Tests and Odis in Sri Lanka whereas Amir just had a very average tour in England.

Amir is nowhere near the quality of bowler that Starc is in the Odis and Starc is impressing in the Tests too while Amir keeps regressing ( Average approaching 35 Sooner)
 
Starc has killed it in tests and ODIs in Lanka of all places, while Amir struggled in England. Joel Parris --> :))

Safe to say we know the answer, at least for now.
 
Left arm pacers currently (on the basis of performances and not just potential and tailunt) -

1. Starc
2. Boult
3. Fizz (he will go to 2nd if he performs in tests)
4. Rahat Ali
5. Wahab
6. McClenaghan (great LOI bowler)
7. Amir
 
Who the hell is JS Paris?

(Haven't read the thread, just the title)
 
It's an insult to mention Amir alongside Starc these days.

The overhyped bowler is being exposed after every match. He should go and compete with Hasan Ali first.
 
Varun said:
Who the hell is JS Paris?

(Haven't read the thread, just the title)
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Some fish caught by talent spotter of this forum.. IIRC, he played an ODI or two against India in Australia. Wasn't impressive enough.
 
Fizz is the only other left-armer who can go head to head with Starc at the moment. If we take away the left-hand criterion then Rabada comes into the equation. These three are in a class of their own. Not no Amir or whoever the hell JS Paris is.
 
Starc seems to belong to a differential level altogether.

Amit has not been able to justify all the hype that surrounded him before the England Series.
 
Whether people like it or not, Aamir is by far one of the best fast bowlers around at the moment. I will say that Starc is a better ODI bowler than him but Aamir has potential to outclass him but so far he hasn't. For me he's a lot better than Boult, Mustafizur and Rabada; a better batsman too.
 
Yawn yawn yawn, Amir has potential to outshine every bowler in history of Cricket.

Same old boring excuse was used to rush the disgraced cheater back into International Cricket again and now his fans want one full year for him to find his feet in International Cricket.

Seems like he will complete his entire career playing on the basis of Talent and Potential whereas ones like Starc with no hyped fan following deliver with performance.
 
1. Mitchell Starc
2. Mustafiz ur Rahman
3. Wahab Riaz (Test cricket, only, may find his feet in T20I cricket soon)
4. Neil Wagner (Can be a decent bowler in ODI cricket as well)

I don't rate Trent Boult, don't find him impressive at all. While, Joel Paris is too slow to be successful at International level.
 
Dios said:
Fizz is the only other left-armer who can go head to head with Starc at the moment. If we take away the left-hand criterion then Rabada comes into the equation. These three are in a class of their own. Not no Amir or whoever the hell JS Paris is.
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Mustafiz ur Rahman > Starc, in T20 format.
 
Starc in Tests + ODIs better than anyone.

Fizz is probably the best of the lot in T20s and also would be excellent in slow pitches of the SC + death overs in ODIs anywhere in the world.

Starc better overall and a proven performer over a consistent period of time.
 
Starc is in a different league. He may make a case for a spot in all time ODI Aus XI. He had probably the best WC anyone can imagine in such a flat tracks.
 
ExplicitAI said:
Whether people like it or not, Aamir is by far one of the best fast bowlers around at the moment. I will say that Starc is a better ODI bowler than him but Aamir has potential to outclass him but so far he hasn't. For me he's a lot better than Boult, Mustafizur and Rabada; a better batsman too.
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Potential?

Potential means nothing when in a space of 9 months since his return his only notable performance was that vs India in Asia Cup. I have been following Amir the entire period and to be honest very much disappointed. Obviously he hasn't been bowling like Wahab but you would expect him to have more notable performance and leading the Pakistan attack which is weak right now.

Ofcourse, some people hype him as the next Wasim. I am sure I did 7 years back(in my defense I was young back then) but you would expect better performance from Amir won't you? Also you can't say that he is better than Fizz, Rabada or Boult, all 3 of them have been performing. Amir? Unfortunately no.

Also, Amir, can never imagine outclassing Starc. Starc is a different bowler altogether. If Fizz can achieve a better average than Starc it would be because of his cutters and remarkable wrists and not genuine fast bowling credentials alone. Starc is a beast altogether. He can swing the ball upfront and he is one of the best death bowlers you will ever see. Even his full tosses are hard to hit!

Starc is going to not only be the best fast bowler of this generation in LOIs, but probably the greatest LOI bowler of all time. He averages around 22 in ODIs in an era of flat tracks with a decent ER playing mostly better teams and if you think that isn't enough he has already won his team a world cup!
 
So far Starc & Mustafizur are on another level. Amir has lost that swing and is not as effective anymore. Bolt is OK.

As for Joel Paris, LOL. [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] is the new Bullet Drive. Tends to overrate cricketers.
 
Executioner said:
Potential?

Potential means nothing when in a space of 9 months since his return his only notable performance was that vs India in Asia Cup. I have been following Amir the entire period and to be honest very much disappointed. Obviously he hasn't been bowling like Wahab but you would expect him to have more notable performance and leading the Pakistan attack which is weak right now.

Ofcourse, some people hype him as the next Wasim. I am sure I did 7 years back(in my defense I was young back then) but you would expect better performance from Amir won't you? Also you can't say that he is better than Fizz, Rabada or Boult, all 3 of them have been performing. Amir? Unfortunately no.

Also, Amir, can never imagine outclassing Starc. Starc is a different bowler altogether. If Fizz can achieve a better average than Starc it would be because of his cutters and remarkable wrists and not genuine fast bowling credentials alone. Starc is a beast altogether. He can swing the ball upfront and he is one of the best death bowlers you will ever see. Even his full tosses are hard to hit!

Starc is going to not only be the best fast bowler of this generation in LOIs, but probably the greatest LOI bowler of all time. He averages around 22 in ODIs in an era of flat tracks with a decent ER playing mostly better teams and if you think that isn't enough he has already won his team a world cup!
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Well the thing is that he's back after 6 years without bowling so it's going to be a little hard for him bowling at his best. You can forgive a bowler having a bad day in T20's whereas he's not done that bad in ODI's. His Test series against Eng was excellent but he wasn't supported well by the fielded which resulted in A LOT of dropped catches, his average would've dropped to 22 if the fielders hung on to them. For me Aamir is a more complete bowler than Fizz and Rabada but he's now rubbing shoulders with Starc at the moment. One is a better Test bowler and the other is better in LOI's.
 
Starc is the more complete bolwer but it counts for not much. Mcgrath was not the most completw bowler but he was thr best
 
street cricketer said:
Bump.

How do you think the pacers stand atm?

I think [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] bhai was harsh on Fizz in the OP and he belongs in this list as does Trent Boult. Joel Paris should be removed from the list until he makes a sizeable contribution.
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Mustafiz will be good in Odi's & T20's. Variety pace bowlers aren't made for Test Cricket. He may be Good in Tests but not amongst Top Test Pacers.



Australia Do Not throw Pace Bowlers at such a Young Age into International Cricket Unless they know that the Kid is Special and is a Long Race Horse.


At this Point of Time Australian Wickets are Horrible for Medium Fast & Fast Medium Bowlers and in Sheffield Shield You see Top Pacers Averaging 25 plus with a SR of 50. While on the Same wickets Fast Medium Joel Paris has taken 36 wickets in 6 Fc games at an Average of 19 & SR of under 40.


Paris's Body hasn't developed Fully Yet and it will take 6 months or So.

His Strengths are that He is Tall and Has a High Arm Action and Gets Bounce. His Action Allows him to be consistent in Line and Length. Usually Such Bowlers are Seamers but His distinct thing is that He is a Swing Bowler and He has Superb Ball Release and He gets Late Swing because He imparts Excellent Reverse Revolutions on the Ball when he releases the Ball.


Just Like Starc did Paris will become Left Arm Fast in an Year or Two and He will be more deadly than.


I saw him in Champions League and that was Enough for Me to See the Best Fast Bowler by Huge Gap between him & others was only a Teenager.


Nothing can Stop him except Fitness.
 
Starc gets injured far too often. Needs to ensure he doesn't go down in history as another Shane Bond. Amir will hit good form soon and when he does, this debate won't look so one-sided.
 
Bilal7 said:
Starc gets injured far too often. Needs to ensure he doesn't go down in history as another Shane Bond. Amir will hit good form soon and when he does, this debate won't look so one-sided.
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Starc doesn't get injured that often though.

I mean he did just get injured but getting injured through getting cut in collision with training equipment.

When he's fit he stays fit for long periods of time and has no recurring hamstring or back injuries which the frequently injured blokes have
 
Bilal7 said:
Starc gets injured far too often. Needs to ensure he doesn't go down in history as another Shane Bond. Amir will hit good form soon and when he does, this debate won't look so one-sided.
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Its not given Amir will find the form. Its possible he will vanish due to pressure
 
OS_89 said:
How can people say this after how he bowled in SL?
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Still early days yet.

Sri Lanka are very poor against pace.

He's got everything he needs to become a great bowler but he's not there yet.
 
As I only watch ODI's, Starc is the best. Amir isn't anywhere near Starc, Amir is over hyped to the moon here.
 
OS_89 said:
How can people say this after how he bowled in SL?
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Read [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] description. Things will be clear.

Anyways, Starc has potential to be among the best fast bowlers across all formats and it's about time when he starts delivering especially against stronger batting units.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
As I only watch ODI's, Starc is the best. Amir isn't anywhere near Starc, Amir is over hyped to the moon here.
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I think the majority of fans will gladly concede Starc is much better in both odi's and tests right now.

Starc is amazing. I would love Pakistan to have someone like him.
 
hk031992 said:
I think the majority of fans will gladly concede Starc is much better in both odi's and tests right now.

Starc is amazing. I would love Pakistan to have someone like him.
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Starc is good in Test but he needs to prove himself against Pakistan and India, he hasn't fared well against the Test giants.

In ODI's he's already a legend.
 
hk031992 said:
I think the majority of fans will gladly concede Starc is much better in both odi's and tests right now.

Starc is amazing. I would love Pakistan to have someone like him.
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It's a matter of time brother. 2019 wc seam bowling squad would be much different IA

Our options would be from

1.Amir/LA
2.Amir Hamza/LA (good height and pace)
3.Hasan/RA (good decent bowler, can be an AR)
4.Ghulam mudassar/LA (good talent, height, pace, swing)
5.Wahab/LA
6.Yasir Jaan/LA/RA(can bowl with both the arms at good pace with RArm, Bounce and swing with LArm)
7.Zahid jnr/RA(Extreme pace)
8.Sadaf/LA( HIGH CLASS STATS, jus got to wait and see whether he makes it to the team)

Last but not the least

9.Asif/RA(if he has anything left in him)
10.Junaid/LA (If he can make a come back)

Irrespective of whether we directly quality or not IA we will make it to the WC, albeit through qualifiers

Then the nine other teams got to #FACE THE PACE
 
Rabada will be better than any of the left hand bowlers.

First time seeing Rabada more closely, and god damn was I impressed. He is going to terrorize some teams in a few years time.

Hope he runs through the Aussies this summer.
 
Amir shouldn't be part of the list. The best left arm pacer atm is Starc and then Mustafizur. Both are amazing and I would happily swap Amir with either for team Pakistan.
 
Mitchell Starc or Mustafizur Rahman?

Who is the better left arm fast bowler? obviously both are class in their own right, but somebody has to be the best among the 2. I think Mitchell Starc due to his pace, swing and dangerous yorkers.
 
Although Starc is currently the best bowler in the world, we shouldn't really hype him up that much after this Test series because he's been picking up Pakistani wickets, nothing to be proud of.
 
Starc, Hazle and Rabada are the three best pace bowlers currently in the world and has potential to become greats of the era.
 
Starc

(Massive gap)

Boult

(Minor gap)

Mustafizur

(Massive gap X10)

Amir


Don't know anything about Paris and neither have I ever seen him play so I can't comment on him.
 
Amir is in the same league as Suranga Lakmal, should not be mentioned in the same breath as Starc
 
Oh Godddddd.

Gabbar Singh bumped it :)


Meri thread failed as of now.


Ya Allah mustaqbil mein issay zinda aor pass ker de. Aameen :)


Hawkeye dekho mein aapki line mein na lag jaun ;)
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Oh Godddddd.

Gabbar Singh bumped it :)


Meri thread failed as of now.


Ya Allah mustaqbil mein issay zinda aor pass ker de. Aameen :)


Hawkeye dekho mein aapki line mein na lag jaun ;)
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Sorry man, was just having a bit of fun and also it is an interesting comparison. Also Starc is a couple of years older than Amir so I wouldn't my write off your man yet. Moreover I think people underestimate just how hard it is to come back after such a long gap in cricket.
 
The thread was made in January , 2016 but 99% of the cricketing world still doesn't know who Joel Paris, one of the best left arm pacer in this era is
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Sorry man, was just having a bit of fun and also it is an interesting comparison. Also Starc is a couple of years older than Amir so I wouldn't my write off your man yet. Moreover I think people underestimate just how hard it is to come back after such a long gap in cricket.
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his figures are exactly same before the gap.except one english season of 6 matches on really conducive conditions
 
Ellipsism said:
A quality Australian fast bowler plagued by injuries.

He is easily the most talented bowler in the country.
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Have seen him in his 2 matches against India, looked ordinary. No way he is better than Starc or Hazlewood.
 
I second the thought that Paris is the most talented quick in the country.

Unfortunately I don't think he'll make it because he is just too fragile. I don't even bank on him to be available for WA.
 
Mobashir said:
So Amir has won his team the campions trophy!

What do people think now?
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Now its time for Junaid Khan to rise further.


Joel Paris needs to stay fit. He is 2nd best left arm pacer in Aus and given Aus rotation policy he will get a chance when Cummins, Pattinson are rested.


Amir needs to keep bowling these lengths consistently ie 2-6.5 meters with good mix of surprise yorkers and bouncers. Plus he needs to put on muscle and regain those 5kph. Than He can challenge Mitchell Starc who still for me is number 1 ranked Odi bowler (SR).
 
so its basically bw starc and aamir now ,after his recent county stent he will become a better bowler..
 
I think it's pretty tight between Starc and Mohammad Amir. Starc won his country the World Cup and Amir won his country the Champions Trophy final. I'd say Starc just edges over Amir right now but with his fragile frame and Amir's County stint, this could very well change.
 
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