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Below is the ICC statement on the prevailing situation.

One cannot but wonder if the reaction would have been different if this had happened in Pakistan or Bangladesh etc?

ICC STATEMENT

Our thoughts are with everyone affected by the horrific attack in Manchester. The ICC and ECB place safety and security at the ICC Champions Trophy and ICC Women’s World Cup this summer as the highest priority.

We operate on advice from our Tournament Security Directorate - in conjunction with the ECB and relevant authorities - to ensure that we have a robust safety and security plan for both tournaments. We will continue to work with authorities over the coming hours and days and review our security in line with the threat levels.

The security situation has been very much front and centre of our preparations and we constantly review our procedures to guarantee they are as effective as possible to keep everyone safe.

We do not disclose our security details as a matter of policy.
 
Oh this should be fun !! :snack:

On Topic: No, we know the pain of isolation as we're suffering from it and I wouldn't want any other test playing nation and set of fans to go through the same. We need to work together in this time of need rather than pointing out each other's deficiencies.
 
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Its a matter of trust in security

Ill still trust the UK security. But for obvious reasons wont have as much faith in Pakistani promises
 
This is distasteful. We haven't had 50,000+ people butchered due to extremists in the last 10 years, nor any incident where a cricket team has been targeted.

Manchester isn't hosting any CT matches but security most likely will be increased for this event.
 
This is distasteful. We haven't had 50,000+ people butchered due to extremists in the last 10 years, nor any incident where a cricket team has been targeted.

Manchester isn't hosting any CT matches but security most likely will be increased for this event.

Its a question. This is something we are faced with everywhere in the world. Not sure what the distasteful part is?
 
Oh this should be fun !! :snack:

On Topic: No, we know the pain of isolation as we're suffering from it and I wouldn't want any other test playing nation and set of fans to go through the same. We need to work together in this time of need rather than pointing out each other's deficiencies.

But the question is.. why should Pakistan be the only country showing big hearts when others are not willing to return the favor (possibly due to BCCI $$$)?
 
But the question is.. why should Pakistan be the only country showing big hearts when others are not willing to return the favor (possibly due to BCCI $$$)?

Brother we have no control over this, Pakistanis are generally brought up by their parents having big hearts :afridi - If someone actually is plotting against us disable us from hosting international cricket then I pray to Allah that the almighty show them the right path of enlightenment :)
 
If enough teams feel threatened then they will pull players out. After the SL attack nobody trusts PK security.
 
There is a clear difference in the security situation in the UK and Pakistan.

In the UK this is an anomaly, and countries still have faith that the security services will be able to stop/prevent more attacks.

In Pakistan, this is a far more frequent occurence - with a sports team actually the target of an attack. Why is there any need/desire to try and create a false equivalence.
 
We all know what the OP is trying to get at.
 
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We all know what the OP is trying to get at.

what is he trying to get at?

It's a valid point and some boards will have concerns, other boards may even be caught in the middle while their politicians want to start getting involved with their own agendas.
 
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Brother we have no control over this, Pakistanis are generally brought up by their parents having big hearts :afridi - If someone actually is plotting against us disable us from hosting international cricket then I pray to Allah that the almighty show them the right path of enlightenment :)

What use is big hearts when BCCI and ICC opportunists are out there to destroy Pakistan Cricket? From that conspiracy against the trio to Ajmal.. Pakistan Cricket has suffered enough blows to realize how world works. About time PCB does a *** for tat.
 
This is distasteful. We haven't had 50,000+ people butchered due to extremists in the last 10 years, nor any incident where a cricket team has been targeted.

Manchester isn't hosting any CT matches but security most likely will be increased for this event.

Good post.
 
Agreed with Markhor. This is very distasteful. The bodies haven't even been identified yet, and here we have a PP admin running their own agenda.

The UK is one of the safest places in the world, and has had a couple of lone wolf attacks in a decade, amounting to about 30 total casualties. You are surely not comparing this to Pakistan? But by raising this point you are.

Shocking post really.
 
Isn't this exactly what these nutjobs want...? Isolate, in-still fear and point fingers.

Stay together and don't yield to the demands and hopes of these extremists.
 
Only Pakistan is punished for security issues, not India, England and other countries with stronger lobby.
 
Only Pakistan is punished for security issues, not India, England and other countries with stronger lobby.

Speaking of punishments, has Pakistan punished the perpetrators of the Lahore 2009 attacks?
 
I think the least PCB can do is send a security team to assess the situation in England. This may not achieve much, but it will surely make a point that double standards are not acceptable.
 
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Pakistan has had multiple attacks day in and day out for three full years , there were 500 plus days where there was not one day we dindt have a bomb blast. Situation here is different.
 
Why should only PCB show a 36" BIG HEART

To those who are questioning this thread.... there is nothing wrong done by the admin.
people are just using the one liner that cricket team was attacked in pakistan....
wat abt bangladesh... no sportsperson was attacked there but still aus cancelled their tour two times and didn't send their u19 team for an event like world cup and ENG sending a B team there... same was the case with Srilanka.... it was just internal tensions in Srilanka but teams stopped touring there....
"""Pakistan has been a victim of this thing and there is no doubt abt that""""....
and when mumbai attacks took place.... remember cricketers were also in the hotel at the time of attack but within a month england team was made to tour India... and when i say MADE I mean it.... u can also read KP's autobiography and learn dat nobody was willing to go there....
The moral of all this is that in the end all wat matters is $$$$$$$$$ and nothin else.....
It has been two blasts in last three months in safe country like UK and if someone is saying there is nothing to worry abt.... then :salute to them...
The utter nonsense is dat when people say Manchester isn't holding any matches so why worry at all....
People in UK are safe there and they feel it...
Same is the case in PAKISTAN as well as in KASHMIR
there is nothing wrong in this thread and it is just a geniune question. ...... which needs to be answered.
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] @saj
 
Only Pakistan is punished for security issues, not India, England and other countries with stronger lobby.

We will overcome this. They will try and try to stop us restoring our cricket.

Everytime there is a match going to happen there is a terrorist attack. They are not Pakistani. This is work of foreign agencies. RAW and NDS.
 
Interesting to note the reaction above because a simple question was asked
 
Below is the ICC statement on the prevailing situation.

One cannot but wonder if the reaction would have been different if this had happened in Pakistan or Bangladesh etc?


In both cases, major loss to the country and it's cricket. Pak is already suffering with no cricket (for obvious reasons) and had this happened at BD, BD too would have been a victim of No Cricket just like Pakistan.

Terrorist attacks can occur anywhere in this world as it seems these days but one thing is for sure, I feel more secured in a first world country than a third world country (in security terms). But my bias-ness comes from me living aboard and not in Asia. How bout you folks?
 
Interesting to note the reaction above because a simple question was asked


God forbid but if there was one to two more alleged terrorist attacks carried out on UK soil leading up to the tournament, it will be cancelled along with other large events planned for the summer, it is definitely very nervous time for the ICC and ECB right now.
 
Speaking of punishments, has Pakistan punished the perpetrators of the Lahore 2009 attacks?

yes they have been hanged or are dead. They were TTP terrorists, funded and trained by RAW..hence why you dont hear much about them.

As for the attack in Eng, its all about perception and prejudice. For example the Borrussia dortmund team were attacked yet I dont ehar anyone not wanting to go to germany. Hell the Munich Olympics incident was even more horrific than the lankan one. Yet we are to stand shoulder to shoulder, stiff upper lip and all that. Nobody stands with pakistan. We stand alone, even when our children are shot in school. Why? because no matter what anyone says some blood is worth more than others!
 
Also can somebody tell me how many champions league or world cup qualifiers were cancelled in Turkey after the attack on the Besiktas stadium? anyone? especially considering Turkey's security situation. Anyone boycotting them?
 
If Pakistan wants they can refuse to send team to Champions Trophy citing security concerns. Their decision will be respected. Nobody is forcing them to participate anyways .

Just because Pakistan is willing to take the risk doesn't mean it has to be reciprocated.
 
Ahhh hurt again?
Fact is in 2017 you can have all the security you want. Attacks can and will happen any where.

Here we go again.

How many attacks have we had in Pakistan compared to England? How many people have died in Pakistan compared to England? Which country has had a cricket team directly attacked? Which country has a more efficient security network? More importantly, which country carries a much higher risk?

The answer to these questions are self-explanatory. If you still don't get it, unfortunately I cannot help you any further.
 
Here we go again.

How many attacks have we had in Pakistan compared to England? How many people have died in Pakistan compared to England? Which country has had a cricket team directly attacked? Which country has a more efficient security network? More importantly, which country carries a much higher risk?

The answer to these questions are self-explanatory. If you still don't get it, unfortunately I cannot help you any further.

Dont need your help at all. My point is clear that even in europe a team of dortmund players sitting in a bus got attacked.

The thing is like i mentioned 1000 times before in 2017 you can have all the best security systems etc but fact is that in western europe lots of attacks have happened.

This is the trend all over the world.
 
This a very poor thread, nothing against the mod, but it looks as if the mod is trying to score brownie points or taking a cheap shot at west but at cost of the poor victims of this disgusting attack. Even if that is not his intention that is how this thread comes off as.
 
Dont need your help at all. My point is clear that even in europe a team of dortmund players sitting in a bus got attacked.

The thing is like i mentioned 1000 times before in 2017 you can have all the best security systems etc but fact is that in western europe lots of attacks have happened.

This is the trend all over the world.

Get your facts right before making statements, dortmund attack was not a terrorist attack, don't connect unrelated incidents and paint them with the same brush please.
 
Dont need your help at all. My point is clear that even in europe a team of dortmund players sitting in a bus got attacked.

The thing is like i mentioned 1000 times before in 2017 you can have all the best security systems etc but fact is that in western europe lots of attacks have happened.

This is the trend all over the world.

I am sorry bud but what is so complex about this that you can't understand a simple point? You are right attacks can happen anywhere in the world but they happen far more frequently in Pakistan than say somewhere like Manchester. This was the most deadly attack in Britain in the last 10 years, can you say the same if it happened in Pakistan?
 
Get your facts right before making statements, dortmund attack was not a terrorist attack, don't connect unrelated incidents and paint them with the same brush please.

Uhmmm? Point is that people can get attacked as the dortmund players got attacked despite security.

Dont undetstand all the fuss. Im talking facts and living in europe where there is a real fear among the people.
 
I am sorry bud but what is so complex about this that you can't understand a simple point? You are right attacks can happen anywhere in the world but they happen far more frequently in Pakistan than say somewhere like Manchester. This was the most deadly attack in Britain in the last 10 years, can you say the same if it happened in Pakistan?

How many attacks have happened in europe in recent years? Its a growing trend. If course you cant compare it with pakistan. No one does. But fact is that indeed tje danger is here in europe now but no one will boycott major events.
 
FYI South African cricket team is staying within walking distance of the site.
 
This a very poor thread, nothing against the mod, but it looks as if the mod is trying to score brownie points or taking a cheap shot at west but at cost of the poor victims of this disgusting attack. Even if that is not his intention that is how this thread comes off as.

Cheap shot? Can you point out any specifics here?

Simple comparison.
 
God forbid but if there was one to two more alleged terrorist attacks carried out on UK soil leading up to the tournament, it will be cancelled along with other large events planned for the summer, it is definitely very nervous time for the ICC and ECB right now.

One hopes and prays that all our loved ones stay safe there, Ameen
 
From an Indian perspective, have full trust on security. Surely security measures for such a high profile tournament and players involved would be topmost.
 
There is one word that sums up the difference...REPUTATION. This is more important than facts on the ground. And reputations don't come out of thin air. They arise looking at trends. The UK has a reputation for being safe. We have a reputation in Pakistan for being unsafe. It is up to us to fix our reputation and perception. It's up to us to prove to the world that we are safe and change our reputation. How do we do that? By being transparent with our plight to punish crimes and improve the law and order situation. Someone asked above "Have perpetrators of 2009 attack been brought to justice" and that EXACTLY highlights the point. We haven't done nearly enough convincing folks abroad that the country is safe. They don't even know if perpetrators of the biggest attack in cricket history were brought to justice! How will they feel safe if we don't even help answer basic questions for people?

I know people will say "well just google it" but that's not the point. The point is that our reputation is one of an unsafe country, and this will persist until we fix the root cause of our problems - lack of law and order and horrible PR and marketing of the country abroad. Cricket won't return to Pakistan until those issues are fixed, doesn't matter how many times Zimbabwe tours or how many attacks there are in the Western countries.
 
Referring to a 14 hour walk as walking distance...? They're in Leeds, not Manchester.

Firdose Moonda @FirdoseM

Quite scary to think the SA team hotel is walking distance from the Manchester Arena


Always good to check facts.
 
From an Indian perspective, have full trust on security. Surely security measures for such a high profile tournament and players involved would be topmost.

From anyone's perspective - that is the expectation.
 
Firdose Moonda @FirdoseM

Quite scary to think the SA team hotel is walking distance from the Manchester Arena


Always good to check facts.

Looks more like shoddy click-bait journalism to be honest than anything else. Links to her article in the tweet and then when you actually read the article it states that they intend to stay near the Manchester Arena for the final test of the series after the Champions trophy.

Given they have a game in Leeds tomorrow and have been practising them for the last 2 days it would make absolutely no sense for them to be staying in Manchester.
 
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Looks more like shoddy click-bait journalism to be honest than anything else. Links to her article in the tweet and then when you actually read the article it states that they intend to stay near the Manchester Arena for the final test of the series after the Champions trophy.

Given they have a game in Leeds tomorrow and have been practising them for the last 2 days it would make absolutely no sense for them to be staying in Manchester.

Its not about where they were at the point of the attack but the fact that they could have been near it
 
Cheap shot? Can you point out any specifics here?

Simple comparison.

As i said mate, i know it is not your intention, but you are questioning whether response would have been different if it was Pakistan or BD, which while a fair question at this moment comes of as a cheap shot, questioning ICC over supposed double standards over an attack in west and in subcontinent. If you asked this exact question a few months from now, that is discussion we can definitely have, but right now it feels improper and unfair, but thats just my opinion.
 
Uhmmm? Point is that people can get attacked as the dortmund players got attacked despite security.

Dont undetstand all the fuss. Im talking facts and living in europe where there is a real fear among the people.

And people get robbed and killed in almost every country on this planet, does not make every place in the world similarly dangerous, terrorist attacks are a different thing, all i am saying is don't equate them with other attacks.
 
The double standards and hypocrisy have been clear for years. If this same attack happened at a music even in Pakistan, the reaction would be much milder.

Having said that, innocent people being killed anywhere in the world is a tragedy. Whether that's in Somalia, England, Pakistan or the US. All life should be valued equally but people have biases and we simply can't change that.

I would care far more if this attack happened in my country instead of a foreign one, or in my family instead of someone's elses. That's how it is with other people as well. Europe and North America care about this much more because it happened in England.
 
If the tournament were in Pak it would have been called off by now. Teams would have been pulling out in numbers.
 
Looks more like shoddy click-bait journalism to be honest than anything else. Links to her article in the tweet and then when you actually read the article it states that they intend to stay near the Manchester Arena for the final test of the series after the Champions trophy.

Given they have a game in Leeds tomorrow and have been practising them for the last 2 days it would make absolutely no sense for them to be staying in Manchester.

LONDON: South Africa’s team manager said his side had “genuine concerns” about remaining in England following the deadly terror attack in Manchester, but there are no immediate plans to return home.

The Islamic State extremist group claimed responsibility for the suicide bomb attack at the end of a concert by US pop star Ariana Grande at Manchester Arena on Monday that killed 22 people, including children.

Britain’s deadliest terror attack for 12 years took place just two days before the start of a three-match one-day series between England and South Africa in the nearby city of Leeds.

It is the first international fixture of a lengthy, three-month tour for South Africa that includes the June Champions Trophy and subsequent four-Test series against England.

No major international cricket has taken place in Pakistan since 2009 because of security concerns following an attack, while England one-day captain Eoin Morgan and opening batsman Alex Hales refused to tour Bangladesh because of safety fears.

But having received security briefings from the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB), whose security advisor Reg Dickason is well-respected throughout the sport, South Africa team manager Dr Mohammed Moosajee said his side were happy to remain in England as things stood.

“As you can understand we have some genuine concerns, the players are uneasy… there was a lot of chatter at the breakfast table,” Moosajee told reporters at Leeds’s Headingley ground on Tuesday.

“I am happy to say we’ve had constant communications from the ECB and their security manager.

“There have been guarantees put in place that security arrangements will be supplemented, starting today. We’re told there will be more visible police at the stadium, at practice sessions as well as the hotels we will reside at.”

Moosajee said the hotel the South Africans are booked in for in Manchester for the last Test “is literally walking distance from where events unfolded last night and there has been genuine concern.

“The process has started to make the players reassured that arrangements are in place to keep them safe.”

While players had briefly talked about leaving England, Moosajee stressed: “As things stand there’s no mention of us even thinking of abandoning the tour. If the intelligence information tells us something else we would obviously have to reconsider.”

Champions Trophy tournament director Steve Elworthy was not anticipating any withdrawals.

“We’re planning for all eight teams to be here,” Elworthy said.

“It’s critical and paramount that we deliver a safe, impressive and exciting tournament for everybody involved.”

https://arysports.tv/south-africa-concerns-after-manchester-attack/
 
Well according to cricketjoshila, perception is more important than reality. England is viewed as being a civilized country and hence safer than Pakistan or Bangladesh. That is true, but it makes for BS justification.

I was supposed to attend the Bangladesh-Australia game but had to cancel since my friend had a work related issue. In hindsight Im a bit relieved. With our arab-sounding names, we'd get harassed for sure.
 
BCCI Raise Team Security Concerns With ICC

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has raised concerns about the Indian team's security in England during the upcoming ICC Champions Trophy in the wake of the terrorist strike in Manchester with the International Cricket Council (ICC), acting secretary Amitabh Chaudhry said on Tuesday. "When I woke up, the first thing which I learnt was about these attacks. As soon as I was in the BCCI office we sent out a message raising our concerns about security of the Indian team's travel, accommodation and the playing (arena). Thankfully ICC has responded to it within two hours. They have been sensitised about our concern," Chaudhry told reporters.

"Obviously these attacks are in nature of terrorist attack. This is something which can affect any individual on the planet. The security concerns are that much more intense," said Chaudhry, adding that the team's schedule "remains unchanged so far."

"These concerns are so overwhelming that the team does not have to come and show its concern. We are all concerned," he explained when asked whether the BCCI has been approached on the issue by any UK-bound squad member.

The ICC Champions Trophy commences on June 1 and India's first game is on June 4 against arch-rivals Pakistan. The squad led by Virat Kohli is set to depart for England on Wednesday.

"Our thoughts are with everyone affected by the horrific attack in Manchester. The ICC and ECB place safety and security at the ICC Champions Trophy and the ICC Women's World Cup this summer as the highest priority," the ICC stated on Tuesday.

"The security situation has been very much front and centre of our preparations and we constantly review our procedures to guarantee they are as effective as possible to keep everyone safe," it added.

Acting BCCI president, C K Khanna, said that the BCCI is in close touch with the ICC and the consultant of its Anti Corruption Unit, former Delhi Police Commissioner Neeraj Kumar, was leaving for the UK on Tuesday.

https://sports.ndtv.com/icc-champio...raise-team-security-concerns-with-icc-1697369
 
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Security beefed up for Pakistan team

BIRMINGHAM - Security for the Pakistan cricket team, which is currently in England for the upcoming ICC Champions Trophy 2017, has been tightened following the deadly terrorist attack in Manchester.

The decision to boost the team’s security was made after a terrorist attack at a concert in Manchester claimed 22 lives and injured nearly 60 people on Monday. “It is very tragic what happened in Manchester. Our minds and hearts go out to the families of the victims,” Pakistan team manager Talat Ali said.

Ali also stated that the Pakistan Cricket Board was in talks with the ICC to further step up the team’s security and move the players to the hotel where other teams were staying.

The PCB is also in talks with the ICC to further increase security for the national team. "We are in touch with the ICC to increase Pakistan team's security after the Manchester blast," a PCB official said.

The ICC, in a statement on Tuesday, said it was reviewing the security measures for the Champions Trophy and Women’s World Cup this summer in the aftermath of the tragedy.

“We will continue to work with authorities over the coming hours and days and review our security in line with the threat levels,” the statement read. “The security situation has been very much front and centre of our preparations and we constantly review our procedures to guarantee they are as effective as possible to keep everyone safe,” the ICC statement added.

At least 22 people, including some children, were killed and 59 wounded when a suicide bomber struck as thousands of fans streamed out of a concert by US singer Ariana Grande at Manchester Arena late Monday night.

London, Birmingham and Cardiff are the three venues which will host the ICC Champions Trophy matches in England and Wales from June 1-18.

The team has been holding intensive practice and fitness drills at Edgbaston since arriving in England last week.

Shadab Khan's fitness: The official also rubbished speculations about Shadab Khan's fitness, saying that the teenage leg-spinner is fit to take part in the upcoming ICC Champions Trophy.

"Shadab is fully fit and doing bowling, batting and fielding drills during practice" the official said.

The official also explained that fast bowler Muhammad Abbas has been added to the squad so that he gains exposure to conditions in England.

He added, however, that Abbas will be released from the squad on May 26.

Absent Sania: Ace Indian Tennis star Sania Mirza, who is also the wife of former Pakistan cricket team captain Shoaib Malik, is likely to give the highly anticipated ICC Champions Trophy clash between the two countries in England a miss.

Shoaib Malik has also that Sania will not be able to visit Birmingham due to her professional commitments with the French Open tennis tournament. The qualifying rounds for the French Open have started on May 22, while the main rounds will kick off from next May 28.

Considering the bitter Pak –India political relations, the Champions Trophy clash will give both sides a rather rare opportunity to lock horns and earn bragging rights as a bilateral series still seems quite far from becoming a reality.

Pakistan cricket bowling coach Azhar Mahmood also reflected in the highly anticipated clash, saying this is an opportunity for their players to become heroes.

"These matches are a great opportunity for players to shine and become heroes whether they are a veteran or a newcomer. I remember my debut against India and I thought this is the time for me to perform and I thought that if I can perform in this game, then I can become a hero. There is never a dull moment in these matches wherever the match is played and whoever holds their nerve and whoever can take the pressure will come out as the winner," PakPassion.net quoted Azhar, as saying. India last played Pakistan during the 2016 World T20 and came out victorious by 5 wickets.

Pakistan will play their first match of the tournament against archrivals India at Edgbaston, Birmingham on June 4 and against South Africa on June 7 at the same venue. A third match will be played against Sri Lanka in Cardiff on June 12.

http://nation.com.pk/sports/25-May-2017/security-beefed-up-for-pakistan-team
 
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