The cowardice of the existing PTI leadership in Imran Khan's absence proves family involvement in leading subcontinent political parties is necessary

[Savak]

The problems Imran Khan is facing right now with regards to the implementation of his instructions and the fact that none of his appointed PTI leaders are showing the same kind of bravery, defiance vis a vis the PDM, the establishment as he is. In fact it is pretty clear they are enjoying and exploiting the fact that he has appointed them to manage the party in his abscence. This experience is proving you need to have family involvement in your party to manage the party affairs and to guarantee loyalty.

The following PTI leaders are clearly in cahoots with the PDM, Establishment and are only paying mere Lip service to PTI causes, you never see them in the firing line with their workers, supporters

1) Barrister Gohar Ali Khan
2) Latif Khosa
3) Hammad Azhar
4) Ali Amin Gandapur
5) Sher Afzal Marwat
6) Faisal Javed Khan
7) Zartaj Gul
8) Salman Akram Raja
9) Omar Ayub Khan
10) Asad Qaiser
11) Ali Muhammad Khan
12) Shibli Faraz
13) Shehryar Afridi
14) Shandana Gulzar
15) Taimour Khan Jhagra
16) Zain Qureshi
17) Mehr Bano Qureshi

Some of these people are quite happy, comfortable with the status quo and are enjoying the perks, privleges of the PTI party in Imran Khan's abscence.

We have seen in the past how Kulsoom Nawaz, Maryam Nawaz championed Nawaz Sharif's cause and held fort on the party affairs when he was incarcerated.

Tomorrow if Bilawal or Zardari go to jail, PPP leadership will fall on the likes of Asifa and Bakhtawar.

Even the PTI supporters and followers attach more significance to the words of Bushra Begam, Aleema Khan in comparison to that coward Barrister Gohar

 

[Cricket Warrior]

u can easily add bushra bibi in this list.. she is the one who is denting PTI even further in the absence of khan sahab.

 

[UP]

Imran Khan is in a very difficult position and perhaps he has seen the worst and toughest last 3 years of his life. Whether you like him or not, the man is a legend and an example of resistance and self belief. I don’t know if these words are enough to define his bravery.

However, him being in prison, he can’t do much other than relying on the names that you have given. What do you want him to do? Fight against the psychopath general’s military with automatic weapons? He is confined in a cage, he can’t do much from there.

Savack, I’ve told you this before, the change is inevitable. IK will come back to power and destroy the status quo and its rent seeking system. With Trump in office, it will make his life much easier. It’s a matter of 2 years.

 

[UP]

The names that you have given are perhaps not fit or brave enough to face the music. Its better for THEM to tell IK to find someone else or they should simply resign and go home if IK doesn’t budge from protests.

 

[Savak]

Imran Khan is in a very difficult position and perhaps he has seen the worst and toughest last 3 years of his life. Whether you like him or not, the man is a legend and an example of resistance and self belief. I don’t know if these words are enough to define his bravery.

However, him being in prison, he can’t do much other than relying on the names that you have given. What do you want him to do? Fight against the psychopath general’s military with automatic weapons? He is confined in a cage, he can’t do much from there.

Savack, I’ve told you this before, the change is inevitable. IK will come back to power and destroy the status quo and its rent seeking system. With Trump in office, it will make his life much easier. It’s a matter of 2 years.

My concern isn't about IK coming back but more with the Mafia, Establishment and their cronies taken out and for a Civilian leadership free from Establishment influence to emerge.

IK needs loyal people who can be trusted to implement his orders, instructions and not come under Establishment influence. The people he has appointed are all compromised and they have let him down again and again at great personal danger to himself.

Ultimately Family and Blood prove to be reliable than outsiders who can easily be compromised which is why the trust deficit b/w the existing PTI leadership and its supporters, workers would not have existed had Aleema Khan or Bushra Bibi been appointed to lead the PTI in his abscence.

As far as Trump is concerned, i think PTI officials abroad, Pakistani American's have been duped and taken by a ride by him and his campaign. I have heard of one Pakistani American who donated $20 million to his campaign on the back of promises to help restore democracy and human rights in Pakistan. So far the Trump Campaign or Trump have made no official comments on Pakistan, IK and PTI yet even though he is the President Elect. I don't think Pakistan will be on his list of priorities neither does the US have any real interest there anymore. Also MBS hates IK and MBS is very close to Trump, his family and will likely influence Trump to ignore IK, PTI.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Also MBS hates IK and MBS is very close to Trump, his family and will likely influence Trump to ignore IK, PTI.

If soodis hate IK.
If amreekis hate IK.
If army hates IK.

Then no way in hell IK is getting out alive.

Can't feel sorry for him though. He led an anomalous life and then weaponized islam to his benefit. His last consort triggered this downfall.

Mum always used to say that god gives one enough rope to hang himself off. Au revoir, khuda hafiz IK.

 

[SportsWarrior]

My concern isn't about IK coming back but more with the Mafia, Establishment and their cronies taken out and for a Civilian leadership free from Establishment influence to emerge.

IK needs loyal people who can be trusted to implement his orders, instructions and not come under Establishment influence. The people he has appointed are all compromised and they have let him down again and again at great personal danger to himself.

Ultimately Family and Blood prove to be reliable than outsiders who can easily be compromised which is why the trust deficit b/w the existing PTI leadership and its supporters, workers would not have existed had Aleema Khan or Bushra Bibi been appointed to lead the PTI in his abscence.

As far as Trump is concerned, i think PTI officials abroad, Pakistani American's have been duped and taken by a ride by him and his campaign. I have heard of one Pakistani American who donated $20 million to his campaign on the back of promises to help restore democracy and human rights in Pakistan. So far the Trump Campaign or Trump have made no official comments on Pakistan, IK and PTI yet even though he is the President Elect. I don't think Pakistan will be on his list of priorities neither does the US have any real interest there anymore. Also MBS hates IK and MBS is very close to Trump, his family and will likely influence Trump to ignore IK, PTI.

Pakistan is not at all a priority for Trump. He may do some cursory mention somewhere, but Pakistan will not get focus much during next four years unless they get caught in the cross fire of USA and China rivalry. It would be better for Pak to just stay in the background and concentrate on its development

 

[BouncerGuy]

He led an anomalous life and then weaponized islam to his benefit.

Explain these allegations more. ANOMALOUS LIFE??? LOL

 

[SportsWarrior]

If soodis hate IK.
If amreekis hate IK.
If army hates IK.

Then no way in hell IK is getting out alive.

Can't feel sorry for him though. He led an anomalous life, womanized, liquored and drugged up, fathered out of wedlock, and then weaponized islam to his benefit. His last consort triggered this downfall.

Mum always used to say that god gives one enough rope to hang himself off. Au revoir, khuda hafiz IK.

IK has made everyone his enemy. None of Saudi, Army, America, and just about every political party in pakistan want to deal with him. I don't think even China fancies him much and some of his own party members may find that their lives and opportunities are better with IK out of the way. So,yeah his chances of coming out of jail and getting any kind of power is very low

 

[psyoptica]

If soodis hate IK.
If amreekis hate IK.
If army hates IK.

Then no way in hell IK is getting out alive.

Can't feel sorry for him though. He led an anomalous life and then weaponized islam to his benefit. His last consort triggered this downfall.

Mum always used to say that god gives one enough rope to hang himself off. Au revoir, khuda hafiz IK.

I can respect an Imran khan critic who has the same standards for other stakeholders in Pak politics. You sir are a rare breed.

 

[Farhan The Man]

I can respect an Imran khan critic who has the same standards for other stakeholders in Pak politics. You sir are a rare breed.

There's only one metric when it comes to islamic repub of pakistan: Hypocrisy aka munafiqat.

It's ingrained in the nation. Its culture. Its people. Its politicians.

IK sits pretty at the top. Ofcourse pak army a close second. Daylight. And then the sharifs, zardaris, mohajirs et al.

Difference being the latter bunch never claims/claimed to be holier-than-thou.

 

[Mamoon]

PTI is not a proper party with political roots. It is basically a fan club of Imran Khan and has been used by shady businessmen to launder their money as well as turncoat politicians to save their political careers.

Imran signed his death warrant as a politician when he compromised his manifesto and opened the doors for failed politicians from other parties.

He thought he could transform them under his leadership and also take advantage of their vote banks but he was obviously wrong. He viewed politics as a cricket match but it is a completely different beast.

People criticize family politics but family politics ensures long-term survival in Pakistan. The family name lives on, not the individuals. People will be loyal to Sharifs and Bhuttos 50 years from now.

Imran has no succession plan. He is the glue that is holding PTI together and once he is gone, the party will disintegrate. PTI will be remembered as a mere footnote in Pakistan political history who made a lot of noise and caused a lot of chaos for two decades but ultimately fizzled out because it didn’t have strong roots.

 

[JaDed]

People criticize family politics but family politics ensures long-term survival in Pakistan. The family name lives on, not the individuals. People will be loyal to Sharifs and Bhuttos 50 years from now.

I would pity the Pakistanis that still do this out of ignorance.

 

[Varun]

Back in his playing days, Imran would have looked across in pity at Bangladesh and (then) Sri Lanka.

Little did he realize that the peoples of those nations have much more spine than his, and for every Imran in a Pakistan prison, there is a Yunus in a Bangladesh seat of power.

 

[Mamoon]

Imran projected himself as a messiah who was better than everyone else. Now his supports want him to be held to the same standards as others. Sorry, that cannot happen.

 

[psyoptica]

PTI is not a proper party with political roots. It is basically a fan club of Imran Khan and has been used by shady businessmen to launder their money as well as turncoat politicians to save their political careers.

Imran signed his death warrant as a politician when he compromised his manifesto and opened the doors for failed politicians from other parties.

He thought he could transform them under his leadership and also take advantage of their vote banks but he was obviously wrong. He viewed politics as a cricket match but it is a completely different beast.

People criticize family politics but family politics ensures long-term survival in Pakistan. The family name lives on, not the individuals. People will be loyal to Sharifs and Bhuttos 50 years from now.

Imran has no succession plan. He is the glue that is holding PTI together and once he is gone, the party will disintegrate. PTI will be remembered as a mere footnote in Pakistan political history who made a lot of noise and caused a lot of chaos for two decades but ultimately fizzled out because it didn’t have strong roots.

Agreed. I hope Pakistan can find a leader one day who's truly capable of shaping the future of the country beyond just words and gimmicks. It's impossible to make any kind of progress with this bureaucratic structure of Pakistan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What you have described is a result of family involvement, establishment hand and lack of meritocracy in Pakistani politics it is not happening because a lack of family involvement.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

u can easily add bushra bibi in this list.. she is the one who is denting PTI even further in the absence of khan sahab.

I have a feeling she is ISI agent, whether knowingly or unknowingly.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

PTI is not a proper party with political roots. It is basically a fan club of Imran Khan and has been used by shady businessmen to launder their money as well as turncoat politicians to save their political careers.

Imran signed his death warrant as a politician when he compromised his manifesto and opened the doors for failed politicians from other parties.

He thought he could transform them under his leadership and also take advantage of their vote banks but he was obviously wrong. He viewed politics as a cricket match but it is a completely different beast.

People criticize family politics but family politics ensures long-term survival in Pakistan. The family name lives on, not the individuals. People will be loyal to Sharifs and Bhuttos 50 years from now.

Imran has no succession plan. He is the glue that is holding PTI together and once he is gone, the party will disintegrate. PTI will be remembered as a mere footnote in Pakistan political history who made a lot of noise and caused a lot of chaos for two decades but ultimately fizzled out because it didn’t have strong roots.

That is all fine if the purpose is to criticise Imran Khan as a politician. But wasn't the only reason he rose to such heights in the first place because the dynasties ruling the two major parties were basically using their power to line their own pockets rather than build the nation? All the criticism being thrown at Imran Khan now from the likes of yourself used to be thrown at the Bhuttos and Sharifs prior to that. When was Pakistan not a mess in your opinion?

 

[mazkhan]

Actually the biggest fasad came from imran khans wife her statements and actions have caused more damage than anyone else on that list.

Most of that list are provincial fascists of the dogma that profess lar aw bar yaw afghan .

 

[FearlessRoar]

'Imran Khan's troubles increasing due to PTI leadership’s blunders'​

enior PTI leader Shaukat Yousafzai rebuked the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) leadership on Thursday for their poor handling of the Islamabad march, claiming that the sufferings of imprisoned party founder-chairman Imran Khan were aggravating as a result of the present leadership’s mistakes.

In a statement, the former Khyber Pakhtunkhwa minister said that the central PTI leadership was entirely to blame for this — referring to the abrupt suspension of the 'do-or-die' D-Chowk dharna.

He asked that if the PTI founder gave instruction to hold the sit-in at Sangjani, then why it was ignored? "Strategy in politics is made by looking at the situation."

The former ruling party's protest demanding Khan's release culminated with nearly 1,000 supporters being arrested by authorities.

PTI Secretary-General Salman Akram Raja, claiming that at least 20 people lost their lives, has said that the party would approach the courts against the government, the Ministry of Interior, and the interior minister

Meanwhile, Islamabad's police chief, Ali Rizvi, denied that live ammunition had been used during the operation and said that 600 protesters had been arrested in Tuesday's operation, bringing the total since the protest sit-in began on Sunday to 954.

Yousafzai said that God gave the party's incumbent leaders a great opportunity which they wasted. If they had proceeded with consultation among themselves, the results would have been different today, he added.

To a query, he replied that Bushra Bibi was right to take to the streets in a bid to get her husband released from jail. "The question arises, what did the rest of the leadership do? Where was the central leadership?"

It should be noted that earlier Yousafzai had questioned the leadership of Barrister Gohar Khan and Salman Akram Raja as well.

He also asked where Sher Afzal Marwat and the leadership of Punjab were during the protest.

In a statement quoted by The News on Thursday, Yousafzai expressed his frustration, stating: "Gandapur has been made a scapegoat. [Imran] Khan had agreed to Sangjani, but Bushra's [Bibi] insistence on D-Chowk cost the party heavily."

"Will the party be led by Bushra Bibi or the leadership? If the leadership lacks authority, they should resign. The D-Chowk incident was deeply regrettable," he stated.

"The only ones standing with the workers were Gandapur, Asad Qaiser, Omar Ayub, Ali Asghar and some others," he said in a video message separately.

He further criticised the lack of planning, saying: "Even if we had sat at D-Chowk, there was no concrete plan in place. Why wasn't a consultative committee formed before leaving for Peshawar? Unfortunately, those leading the party did not lead the procession".

He said that another major criticism was directed at the protest's logistical shortcomings. Low turnout and insufficient facilities for participants, especially those who travelled from far-flung areas, contributed to the protest's failure. Several workers also expressed disappointment over the poor arrangements.

Gandapur was praised for bearing the pressure from the party and its workers, but Yousafzai pointed out that "the party needs to reflect on why the real faces were sidelined. Negotiations with the government were possible [but] who rejected them? The government should not have resorted to such brutality, but internal mismanagement is also to blame".

"There must be an inquiry into this matter as to why they took the party workers to D-Chowk and then left them alone at the mercy of law enforcement agencies and secretly disappeared from the scene," he said.

In a direct challenge to the PTI leadership, Yousafzai demanded accountability.

"If our leaders cannot face the situation or stand with the workers, they should step down. This is an injustice to PTI and Khan. Leadership is about action, not titles. Our failures in Islamabad are the result of poor planning and lack of unity," he said.

The former lawmaker further reiterated that the workers' loyalty was to the PTI founder and not individual leaders.

"We protested for Khan and his vision, not for anyone else. The leaders owe an explanation to the workers and must reflect on their mistakes. Without accountability and reform, we risk destroying PTI's credibility and Imran Khan's legacy," he warned.

'Imran Khan's troubles increasing due to PTI leadership’s blunders'

PESHAWAR: Senior PTI leader Shaukat Yousafzai rebuked the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf leadership on Thursday for their poor handling of the Islamabad march, claiming that the sufferings of imprisoned...

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[HalBass9]

Agreed. I hope Pakistan can find a leader one day who's truly capable of shaping the future of the country beyond just words and gimmicks. It's impossible to make any kind of progress with this bureaucratic structure of Pakistan.

Once again, critics of IK are yearning for something that already exists. Instead, you should be hoping that the people of Pakistan develop the courage to stand by their leader, a courage that, unfortunately, seems absent in the Punjab and Sindh provinces.

The people of Pakistan lack the capacity for revolution, yet IK continues to refuse to accept this, which is his greatest mistake. The struggle doesn’t end with casting a vote.

Please avoid bringing up IK’s past or labeling him a playboy, it’s an overused and lazy argument by his critics. Frankly, no one cares anymore.

 

[mazkhan]

Bushra bibi is well aqainted with the British citizen zulfi bukhari whom is connected to that lot in the west and made a secret visit to Israel

Everyone was agreed on sanjiani but was vetoed last minute by elphaba thropp who insisted storming d chowk and causing a violent protest

 

[Kianig89]

Gohar Khan and Salman Akram are resigning from Party positions.
I guess SMQ was right that please consult me for protest I have 40 years of experience.

Imran has to come out from jail to have any chance otherwise its all over

 

[UP]

PTI is not a proper party with political roots. It is basically a fan club of Imran Khan and has been used by shady businessmen to launder their money as well as turncoat politicians to save their political careers.

Imran signed his death warrant as a politician when he compromised his manifesto and opened the doors for failed politicians from other parties.

He thought he could transform them under his leadership and also take advantage of their vote banks but he was obviously wrong. He viewed politics as a cricket match but it is a completely different beast.

People criticize family politics but family politics ensures long-term survival in Pakistan. The family name lives on, not the individuals. People will be loyal to Sharifs and Bhuttos 50 years from now.

Imran has no succession plan. He is the glue that is holding PTI together and once he is gone, the party will disintegrate. PTI will be remembered as a mere footnote in Pakistan political history who made a lot of noise and caused a lot of chaos for two decades but ultimately fizzled out because it didn’t have strong roots.

Sharifs and Bhuttos are done and dusted. Did you not see public rejected them Feb 8? The public has a lot of awareness of who actually controls the power. Bhuttos and Sharifs are mere puppets of form 47 elastic shalwaar.

Noon and PPP are finished, they have no future. This is not 80’s or 90’s anymore where you can brainwash masses. You are welcome to bump this post in 5, 10 or 25 years.

As for IK, he will come back in power. The current rent seeking army chief controlled system will collapse in 2-4 years. With Trump being in charge, he will shift the American stance from finance capitalism to industrial capitalism. It will have ripple effect across the world which will destroy status quos like Pakistan.

 

[HalBass9]

Sharifs and Bhuttos are done and dusted. Did you not see public rejected them Feb 8? The public has a lot of awareness of who actually controls the power. Bhuttos and Sharifs are mere puppets of form 47 elastic shalwaar.

Noon and PPP are finished, they have no future. This is not 80’s or 90’s anymore where you can brainwash masses. You are welcome to bump this post in 5, 10 or 25 years.

As for IK, he will come back in power. The current rent seeking army chief controlled system will collapse in 2-4 years. With Trump being in charge, he will shift the American stance from finance capitalism to industrial capitalism. It will have ripple effect across the world which will destroy status quos like Pakistan.

I'm pretty sure that Pak army can last 4 years of Trump.

However, I agree that if the elections are truly fair, Bhutto and Noon wouldn’t even manage to secure votes from their own relatives.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Not necessary but it is because of absence of loyal support leaders who could avenge the loss or the atrocities meted out to their leader.

 

[UP]

I'm pretty sure that Pak army can last 4 years of Trump.

However, I agree that if the elections are truly fair, Bhutto and Noon wouldn’t even manage to secure votes from their own relatives.

Change is inevitable, nobody can stop it.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Sharifs and Bhuttos are done and dusted. Did you not see public rejected them Feb 8? The public has a lot of awareness of who actually controls the power. Bhuttos and Sharifs are mere puppets of form 47 elastic shalwaar.

Noon and PPP are finished, they have no future. This is not 80’s or 90’s anymore where you can brainwash masses. You are welcome to bump this post in 5, 10 or 25 years.

As for IK, he will come back in power. The current rent seeking army chief controlled system will collapse in 2-4 years. With Trump being in charge, he will shift the American stance from finance capitalism to industrial capitalism. It will have ripple effect across the world which will destroy status quos like Pakistan.

Done and dusted? They hold the power now. And if IK is dead by the time next election happens they will continue to hold on to their power. Whatever way you interpret the current situation, Bhuttos and Sharifs are in better position and have survived longer than IK. PTI and IK look like are destined to wither away. IK is not a young man and clearly there are no leaders to take PTI forward. It will be another party bowing to establishment in the coming years.

 

[UP]

Done and dusted? They hold the power now. And if IK is dead by the time next election happens they will continue to hold on to their power. Whatever way you interpret the current situation, Bhuttos and Sharifs are in better position and have survived longer than IK. PTI and IK look like are destined to wither away. IK is not a young man and clearly there are no leaders to take PTI forward. It will be another party bowing to Army in the coming years.

Yes, they are finished. What power do they have? Power of form 47? Public rejected them on Feb 8th. I see an election happening in 2 years. The awaam will never vote for them. They have no future, they will end up as MQM - one city party.

The economy is too big to control, the demands of public are too big to control by one man. The hard power has to give way to softer power in order to open up the economy, free market and development. When Trump will shift the American might from financial to industrial capitalism, the status quo will collapse.

The grip and power of COAS has started to decline, the speed is yet to be seen of its decline.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Yes, they are finished. What power do they have? Power of form 47 ? Public rejected them on Feb 8th. I see an election happening in 2 years. The awaam will never vote for them. They have no future, they will end up as MQM - one city party.

The economy is too big to control, the demands of public are too big to control by one man. The hard power has to give way to softer power in order to open up the economy, free market and development. When Trump will shift the American might from financial to industrial capitalism, the status quo will collapse.

The grip and power of COAS has started to decline, the speed is yet to be seen of its decline.

You can cope however you want. Which parties are in power? Who is the PM of Pakistan? Who is the president of Pakistan? Who are the CMs of the two biggest provinces of Pakistan? None of them are PTI. Whatever you say about whoever people voted for all not much use when the internationally recognized government in Pakistan is held by Sharifs and Bhuttos

 

[Minnowbasher]

Clear plan seems to be make PTI unpopular. This can only be achieved by really poor leadership.

However, it won't work. People aren't stupid and are fed up with 77 years of army rule. Imran Khan is the only man who has ever and will ever stand against the establishement like this. It's literally do or die, either he comes out and crushes the establishement or the establishement rules for another 100 years. The former may seem unlikely but I also don't see Pakistan staying together as one country if Imran isn't released and brought back into power.

The pathans wil revolt and when they revolt no one can stop them.

 

[UP]

You can cope however you want. Which parties are in power? Who is the PM of Pakistan? Who is the president of Pakistan? Who are the CMs of the two biggest provinces of Pakistan? None of them are PTI. Whatever you say about whoever people voted for all not much use when the internationally recognized government in Pakistan is held by Sharifs and Bhuttos

This is their last gig by whatever door they came from. They will not come back again.

 

[SportsWarrior]

This is their last gig by whatever door they came from. They will not come back again.

Not really. Sharifs have their next in line sorted out. It is not hawaz in power, it is his younger brother. Nawaz daughter is already the CM of the biggest and the most important province of Pakistan. Bilwala has already been a minister and has a clear path to leadership.

Both PPP and PMLN have their future leadership sorted out and are holding on to power. PTI's only credible leader is in jail with no chance of coming out in near future. He has burnt bridges externally with all the traditional Pakistan allies including Saudis, UAE, America and China. He has out of favor with army and none of the opposition party leaders have forgotten how he treated them when he was in power.

So neither is he in power, nor is his party's future leadership sorted out. And on top of that he is old. Yeah he is done

 

[UP]

Not really. Sharifs have their next in line sorted out. It is not hawaz in power, it is his younger brother. Nawaz daughter is already the CM of the biggest and the most important province of Pakistan. Bilwala has already been a minister and has a clear path to leadership.

Both PPP and PMLN have their future leadership sorted out and are holding on to power. PTI's only credible leader is in jail with no chance of coming out in near future. He has burnt bridges externally with all the traditional Pakistan allies including Saudis, UAE, America and China. He has out of favor with army and none of the opposition party leaders have forgotten how he treated them when he was in power.

So neither is he in power, nor is his party's future leadership sorted out. And on top of that he is old. Yeah he is done

This is not 80’s or 90’s anymore.

The status quo is destined to collapse, change is inevitable. The awaam doesn’t want them but whatever makes you happy.

 

[SportsWarrior]

This is not 80’s or 90’s anymore.

The status quo is destined to collapse, change is inevitable. The awaam doesn’t want them but whatever makes you happy.

What aawam wants never mattered to your establishment. I am sure aawam didn't want country to be divided, or bhutto to be hanged or Nawaz to be jailed. Sure people opposed them but it was establishment which did whatever they want. They will continue to do that as there is absolutely no will among Pakistanis to do the required sacrifice to get the power back. An actual civil war where the establishment is cornered in the international forum is the only way other countries are going to get involved, even that woild be to secure nukes. Every other scenario requires Pakistanis to sacrifice there current to build a better tomorrow. Other option is just live under whoever is ruling Pak, that seems to be the option people are taking as now

 

[The Bald Eagle]

PTI confirms 12 killed in Islamabad protest despite earlier claims of higher death toll​

The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) has confirmed that at least 12 individuals have died during the Islamabad protest, following earlier claims of a significant death toll.

Speaking at a press conference with Opposition Leader Omar Ayub, PTI's central spokesperson, Waqas Akram Sheikh, described the government’s actions as unprecedented in Pakistan’s history of protests.

He alleged that reporting journalists about the fatalities during the Islamabad protest have been imprisoned, and that many others remain missing with no information about their whereabouts.

He revealed that while the police are providing some figures, PTI has also gathered its own data on the arrests. "Twelve individuals have died during the protest," Sheikh confirmed. "The actual number is higher, but we are sharing only the confirmed figures with the media."

He added that the bodies of the deceased were withheld for three days before being returned to their families. "The government is attempting to conceal both the bodies and evidence, but these things cannot be hidden more."

During the press conference, Sheikh also criticised the government for demanding names and proof of the deaths, as hospitals were pressured not to share lists with the media.

"Which law allows shooting unarmed people?" he asked. "Which government has opened fire on peaceful citizens? How can state machinery be used against its own people?" he added.

Right to protest

Sheikh said demanding the right to protest is not a crime, and a right granted by the constitution. "Our workers were prepared for tear gas and rubber bullets, but not for firearms and bullets," he said.

"What has the state done to its own people?" Sheikh asked, expressing disbelief at the government's approach. He also questioned the contradictory statements from ministers, who claim no shots were fired, yet fatalities and injuries continue to be reported.

"If no shots were fired, then who is responsible for these deaths?" he asked. He further warned that the government's heavy-handed tactics would only fuel more hatred and division.

Sheikh also defended the protesters, asserting that they were not terrorists but political party workers, following instructions from PTI’s founding chairman to march towards D-Chowk. "These were brave people, not terrorists. We salute their courage," he said.

Addressing the role of the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (K-P) Chief Minister Ali Amin Gandapur, Sheikh revealed that the CM had taken steps to ensure the safety of PTI's founding chairman's wife, stating that it was crucial to prevent any potential ethnic slurs.

"It was the CM's responsibility to protect her, and that's why he returned," he said. He further reported that the CM's vehicle had been shot at during the protests. "The vehicle was hit, and there were attempts to stop it, but the CM's car ultimately made it to K-P."

Sheikh stated that more than 5,500 individuals had been detained ahead of the protest. "We will ensure that all detained individuals are given the necessary facilities," he said, adding that thousands of vehicles remain parked in Islamabad as the unrest continues.

He also condemned the actions of individuals in government uniforms, accusing them of destroying private vehicles. "These individuals, with a destructive mentality, are damaging vehicles while in government uniforms," he said, adding, "The state's responsibility is to protect its citizens, but in this case, the government is causing harm."

Sheikh revealed that the Balochistan Assembly had passed a resolution calling for a ban on PTI, adding that PTI plans to bring a similar resolution in the K-P Assembly to call for a ban on the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and Pakistan People’s Party (PPP).

"Discussions are ongoing about the possibility of a governor’s rule in K-P, but the people of the province will thwart every conspiracy," he asserted.

In a separate statement, opposition leader called for legal action against all those involved in the violence, stressing that the "dark era" would soon come to an end.

"They will have to answer for this oppression," Ayub stated, demanding a judicial inquiry into the events. He also called for the registration of First Information Reports (FIRs) against the prime minister, the interior minister, and the information minister for their roles in the crackdown.

Source: The Express Tribune

 

[HalBass9]

What aawam wants never mattered to your establishment. I am sure aawam didn't want country to be divided, or bhutto to be hanged or Nawaz to be jailed. Sure people opposed them but it was establishment which did whatever they want. They will continue to do that as there is absolutely no will among Pakistanis to do the required sacrifice to get the power back. An actual civil war where the establishment is cornered in the international forum is the only way other countries are going to get involved, even that woild be to secure nukes. Every other scenario requires Pakistanis to sacrifice there current to build a better tomorrow. Other option is just live under whoever is ruling Pak, that seems to be the option people are taking as now

Awam wanted Nawas to be jailed.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Rana Sanaullah says official death toll in D-Chowk protest lower than claimed​

Adviser to the Prime Minister on Political and Public Affairs, Rana Sanaullah, challenged the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party's claims regarding the number of deaths during the violent protests in Islamabad, stating that the "official number" of PTI workers killed during the unrest does not reach double digits.

Speaking during an interview on a local news channel on Thursday, Sanaullah explained that the official count of fatalities was around four to five, with three bodies confirmed through funerals.

While acknowledging the possibility of two or three more deaths, he firmly rejected PTI's exaggerated reports, which had suggested a much higher toll.

"We have confirmed reports of three deaths, with funerals held," he said. "There may be two or three more, but definitely not in double figures. The numbers being quoted by PTI are exaggerated," he added.

The protests, which began as a series of confrontations between PTI demonstrators and security forces in Islamabad, escalated over three days, culminating in the retreat of the party’s leadership and supporters from the capital's Red Zone early Wednesday morning.

Official sources and hospital reports confirmed that at least six individuals lost their lives during the protests, including a police officer and three Rangers personnel, who were reportedly struck by a speeding vehicle.

The conflicting reports on the number of casualties have become a significant point of contention between the government and PTI. Sanaullah criticised PTI's portrayal of events, accusing the party of using the deaths to fuel a propaganda campaign against the government.

"PTI's leaders are spreading false perceptions. The situation did not escalate to the point where there were 20, 100, or 200 deaths, as they claim," he said. "There may have been some casualties, but the numbers being presented are simply not accurate. This is PTI’s propaganda," he added.

Sanaullah also pointed out that around 15,000 to 20,000 PTI protesters were reportedly brought in from Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, further adding to the chaos and making the crackdown operation more difficult.

Despite this, he maintained that there was no violent confrontation that would have led to the mass casualties suggested by PTI.

The interior minister of Punjab, who described the PTI protest as poorly planned, noted that without the crackdown, the demonstrators would likely have stayed at the protest venue for several days.

However, he questioned what the protesters hoped to achieve after reaching D-Chowk, as no clear strategy or plan seemed to be in place.

Sanaullah’s statements diverge from the government’s earlier narrative, with Information Minister Attaullah Tarar and Interior Minister Mohsin Naqvi both denying the PTI's claims of mass fatalities.

Tarar had previously stated that major hospitals in Islamabad, such as the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences and Polyclinic, had not received any gunshot victims or bodies linked to the protests.

He also dismissed a list circulating on social media alleging the death of several protesters as fake. "There is no concrete evidence to support PTI’s claims," he said, adding, "The hospitals have denied receiving any such casualties."

The lack of official casualty lists has fueled further uncertainty, with much of the information circulating through social media and anonymous sources. This has left many questioning the accuracy of the reported death toll and the extent of the violence that occurred during the protests.

Source: The Express Tribune

 

[Mamoon]

Sharifs and Bhuttos are done and dusted. Did you not see public rejected them Feb 8? The public has a lot of awareness of who actually controls the power. Bhuttos and Sharifs are mere puppets of form 47 elastic shalwaar.

Noon and PPP are finished, they have no future. This is not 80’s or 90’s anymore where you can brainwash masses. You are welcome to bump this post in 5, 10 or 25 years.

As for IK, he will come back in power. The current rent seeking army chief controlled system will collapse in 2-4 years. With Trump being in charge, he will shift the American stance from finance capitalism to industrial capitalism. It will have ripple effect across the world which will destroy status quos like Pakistan.

Imran is done and dusted but PTI supports will not accept the reality.

 

[SportsWarrior]

Imran is done and dusted but PTI supports will not accept the reality.

PTI supporters are not a real political party supporters. They are more like IK fans. They show up to see their icon and still live in 1992. He may or may not have good intentions but he is a terrible politician and a worse administrator. Thankfully they are now on the decline.

I hope Pakistan gets a stable government. As Indian, only way to have a reasonable working relationship with Pakistan is with a stable government which is confident about its future and not wrecked by riots to save its hero and messiah

PTI in disarray

PTI’s protest plans came abruptly undone because key decisions were swayed by personal ambitions rather than political wisdom and restraint.

www.dawn.com

PTI in disarray​

THE PTI’s worst tendencies are once again in full view of the public. Following the debacle that marked the culmination of its ‘last call’ earlier this week, its leadership has quickly turned on itself.

Several resignations have already been tendered, and more may be in the offing as a chaotic internal reckoning leads to finger-pointing and blame. Unity of command and internal structure have collapsed as key leaders throw each other under the bus instead of taking stock of the party’s mistakes. This cannot be chalked up solely to the brutal crackdown that the party has faced ever since it was ousted from power or even to its harsh experiences in recent days. Instead, the weakness seems to stem from the PTI’s impatience in politics, as well as its supporters’ volatile temperaments.

It is recalled that even when it governed the country, the PTI routinely sidelined saner heads in favour of populists who could whip up public sentiment with bellicose rhetoric. As a result, many capable leaders left the PTI even when its star was shining bright. Now, many of those who stepped up in its darkest hour to take it forward seem ready to do the same.

The ‘why’ seems clear: despite all that it has been able to achieve and despite the undeniable sympathy it has gained from vast segments of the populace, the party’s leadership still cannot keep their heads while their supporters are losing theirs. Nowhere was this more evident than in how the recent protest in Islamabad was handled by those present. Despite risking much, the PTI’s plans came abruptly undone because, at several critical moments, key decisions were swayed by personal ambitions and irrational expectations rather than political wisdom and restraint. The PTI must come to terms with this soon, or it will continue to implode.

The PTI leadership should also take a long, hard look at some of its most prominent leaders and supporters’ tendency to resort to sensationalism and conspiracy theories when things do not go their way. No matter how the protest was disbanded, the KP Assembly Speaker’s comparison of the crackdown in Islamabad to East Pakistan and Palestine took it a step too far. This tendency to blow things out of proportion is an affliction that the party must shake off soon. Its claims regarding how the Islamabad protest collapsed have been doubted primarily for this reason, even though there may be some truth to what has been claimed.

It is, at the moment, too early to say how much of a setback the party has suffered due to its mistakes in recent days. But, if the PTI hopes to endure, it has no option but to set its house in order. It ignores its many faults at its own peril.

Published in Dawn, November 30th, 2024

 

[Mamoon]

PTI supporters are not a real political party supporters. They are more like IK fans. They show up to see their icon and still live in 1992. He may or may not have good intentions but he is a terrible politician and a worse administrator. Thankfully they are now on the decline.

I hope Pakistan gets a stable government. As Indian, only way to have a reasonable working relationship with Pakistan is with a stable government which is confident about its future and not wrecked by riots to save its hero and messiah

PTI in disarray

PTI’s protest plans came abruptly undone because key decisions were swayed by personal ambitions rather than political wisdom and restraint.

www.dawn.com

PTI in disarray​

THE PTI’s worst tendencies are once again in full view of the public. Following the debacle that marked the culmination of its ‘last call’ earlier this week, its leadership has quickly turned on itself.

Several resignations have already been tendered, and more may be in the offing as a chaotic internal reckoning leads to finger-pointing and blame. Unity of command and internal structure have collapsed as key leaders throw each other under the bus instead of taking stock of the party’s mistakes. This cannot be chalked up solely to the brutal crackdown that the party has faced ever since it was ousted from power or even to its harsh experiences in recent days. Instead, the weakness seems to stem from the PTI’s impatience in politics, as well as its supporters’ volatile temperaments.

It is recalled that even when it governed the country, the PTI routinely sidelined saner heads in favour of populists who could whip up public sentiment with bellicose rhetoric. As a result, many capable leaders left the PTI even when its star was shining bright. Now, many of those who stepped up in its darkest hour to take it forward seem ready to do the same.

The ‘why’ seems clear: despite all that it has been able to achieve and despite the undeniable sympathy it has gained from vast segments of the populace, the party’s leadership still cannot keep their heads while their supporters are losing theirs. Nowhere was this more evident than in how the recent protest in Islamabad was handled by those present. Despite risking much, the PTI’s plans came abruptly undone because, at several critical moments, key decisions were swayed by personal ambitions and irrational expectations rather than political wisdom and restraint. The PTI must come to terms with this soon, or it will continue to implode.

The PTI leadership should also take a long, hard look at some of its most prominent leaders and supporters’ tendency to resort to sensationalism and conspiracy theories when things do not go their way. No matter how the protest was disbanded, the KP Assembly Speaker’s comparison of the crackdown in Islamabad to East Pakistan and Palestine took it a step too far. This tendency to blow things out of proportion is an affliction that the party must shake off soon. Its claims regarding how the Islamabad protest collapsed have been doubted primarily for this reason, even though there may be some truth to what has been claimed.

It is, at the moment, too early to say how much of a setback the party has suffered due to its mistakes in recent days. But, if the PTI hopes to endure, it has no option but to set its house in order. It ignores its many faults at its own peril.

Published in Dawn, November 30th, 2024

He and his party were the most ill-prepared and clueless government in Pakistan history. He changed his finance minister more than he changed his clothes which showed the chaotic planning and lack of vision.

This was the outcome of spending all their team pointing fingers at others and making accusations instead of focusing on what to do after coming into power.

 

[HalBass9]

PTI supporters are not a real political party supporters. They are more like IK fans. They show up to see their icon and still live in 1992. He may or may not have good intentions but he is a terrible politician and a worse administrator. Thankfully they are now on the decline.

I hope Pakistan gets a stable government. As Indian, only way to have a reasonable working relationship with Pakistan is with a stable government which is confident about its future and not wrecked by riots to save its hero and messiah

PTI in disarray

PTI’s protest plans came abruptly undone because key decisions were swayed by personal ambitions rather than political wisdom and restraint.

www.dawn.com

PTI in disarray​

THE PTI’s worst tendencies are once again in full view of the public. Following the debacle that marked the culmination of its ‘last call’ earlier this week, its leadership has quickly turned on itself.

Several resignations have already been tendered, and more may be in the offing as a chaotic internal reckoning leads to finger-pointing and blame. Unity of command and internal structure have collapsed as key leaders throw each other under the bus instead of taking stock of the party’s mistakes. This cannot be chalked up solely to the brutal crackdown that the party has faced ever since it was ousted from power or even to its harsh experiences in recent days. Instead, the weakness seems to stem from the PTI’s impatience in politics, as well as its supporters’ volatile temperaments.

It is recalled that even when it governed the country, the PTI routinely sidelined saner heads in favour of populists who could whip up public sentiment with bellicose rhetoric. As a result, many capable leaders left the PTI even when its star was shining bright. Now, many of those who stepped up in its darkest hour to take it forward seem ready to do the same.

The ‘why’ seems clear: despite all that it has been able to achieve and despite the undeniable sympathy it has gained from vast segments of the populace, the party’s leadership still cannot keep their heads while their supporters are losing theirs. Nowhere was this more evident than in how the recent protest in Islamabad was handled by those present. Despite risking much, the PTI’s plans came abruptly undone because, at several critical moments, key decisions were swayed by personal ambitions and irrational expectations rather than political wisdom and restraint. The PTI must come to terms with this soon, or it will continue to implode.

The PTI leadership should also take a long, hard look at some of its most prominent leaders and supporters’ tendency to resort to sensationalism and conspiracy theories when things do not go their way. No matter how the protest was disbanded, the KP Assembly Speaker’s comparison of the crackdown in Islamabad to East Pakistan and Palestine took it a step too far. This tendency to blow things out of proportion is an affliction that the party must shake off soon. Its claims regarding how the Islamabad protest collapsed have been doubted primarily for this reason, even though there may be some truth to what has been claimed.

It is, at the moment, too early to say how much of a setback the party has suffered due to its mistakes in recent days. But, if the PTI hopes to endure, it has no option but to set its house in order. It ignores its many faults at its own peril.

Published in Dawn, November 30th, 2024

Democracy.

 

[Kianig89]

Cowardice or compromised, yet there is only one party in the country Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf, the rest are all history.

 

[UP]

Imran is done and dusted but PTI supports will not accept the reality.

The status quo is done and dusted. Khan’s role was to weaken and destroy the status quo, which he has done very successfully. You will see it in 2-5 years.

 

[HalBass9]

He and his party were the most ill-prepared and clueless government in Pakistan history. He changed his finance minister more than he changed his clothes which showed the chaotic planning and lack of vision.

This was the outcome of spending all their team pointing fingers at others and making accusations instead of focusing on what to do after coming into power.

Irrelevant criticism at this point.

The focus is on the struggle for democracy, representing over 80% of the Pakistani population. The rest of the narrative is insignificant, though I understand why those advocating for democracy are met with criticism aligned with the governing narrative. However, such criticism is as irrelevant as a discarded, stained piece of toilet paper.