The disastrous reign of Ramiz Raja

[Mohraheem]

Misbah is not the real topic here actually.... Ramiz's reign was not more disastrous than the current one... Defeats after defeats...

Everything is connected with Misbah! As I said Remove Misbah; his friends and family.. Pakistan will next 20 World Cup

 

[Major]

It was from his tenure that our cricket disaster started.

 

[Rana]

It was from his tenure that our cricket disaster started.

No. It started when Misbah was appointed head coach.

 

[Major]

No. It started when Misbah was appointed head coach.

Misbah build a team and developed the players that ended up doing well at the world t20 2021 and was winning test series again at home.

Right now, the team is struggling to win at home.

Rameez came in and bought in temporary coaches. Infact rameez made the statement that in cricket you dont need coaches.

What we are seeing with Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen is an issue of lack of development in players growth. This happens when you decide to throw away coaches bring in temporary coaches like Saqlain to just do drills. That is exactly what Rameez did.

Let me give you a simple example. 2019 rizwan was garbage in t20 cricket, but than under Misbah he developed his leg side game that we all saw in 2021.

Now with no coaches Rizwan has struggled. His offside game was bad, and his leg side game regressed. Now Rizwan does go back to peshawar does his knocking drills, but that is useless u til a coach is there to develop you.

Rameez leaves, than more coaches came for temporary basis and the results is there.

Now this is gona affect Hassan Nawaz and Saim Ayub aswell.

Lets hope Hesson is here for the long run, because if he leaves in between than this will destroy Hassan and Saom Ayub

 

[Rana]

Let me give you a simple example. 2019 rizwan was garbage in t20 cricket, but than under Misbah he developed his leg side game that we all saw in 2021

That’s a great example of how a player destroys the entire cricket nation.

 

[Major]

That’s a great example of how a player destroys the entire cricket nation.

@Mamoon is absolutely right about you. You really lack rationality to have a proper discussion on cricket....

 

[Rana]

@Mamoon is absolutely right about you. You really lack rationality to have a proper discussion on cricket....

Your giving me a nonsense argument.

“We all saw what happened in 2021”

We saw nothing. Rizwan did NOTHING that was in line with modern cricket standards. There are games in the 2021 T20 World Cup where he is playing at a run a ball against Namibia and Scotland and later scored a 60-70 odd. This is a T20 opener who is playing a run a ball against associate level sides on roads! This is pathetic! It should have been called pathetic back then! It should have been clamped down back then and not encouraged the way you are doing right now again!

 

[Major]

Your giving me a nonsense argument.

“We all saw what happened in 2021”

We saw nothing. Rizwan did NOTHING that was in line with modern cricket standards. There are games in the 2021 T20 World Cup where he is playing at a run a ball against Namibia and Scotland and later scored a 60-70 odd. This is a T20 opener who is playing a run a ball against associate level sides on roads! This is pathetic! It should have been called pathetic back then! It should have been clamped down back then and not encouraged the way you are doing right now again!

ICC T20 Cricketer of the year award...

 

[Rana]

ICC T20 Cricketer of the year award...

Babar also got into the ICC T20 team of the 2024wc

How did the world react to this?

 

[mominsaigol]

ICC T20 Cricketer of the year award...

You gotta let this one go fam.

Rizzu is a good test cricketer but thats about it. These rewards don't mean much.

Azamatuallah Omairzai was icc odi cricketer of the year in 2024, but it doesnt mean much as he's an average batsmen.

2021 was a purple patch phase with 2023 being a purple patch phase in odi fir rizzu.

He is now getting older and reactions are clearly declining.

 

[Major]

You gotta let this one go fam.

Rizzu is a good test cricketer but thats about it. These rewards don't mean much.

Azamatuallah Omairzai was icc odi cricketer of the year in 2024, but it doesnt mean much as he's an average batsmen.

2021 was a purple patch phase with 2023 being a purple patch phase in odi fir rizzu.

He is now getting older and reactions are clearly declining.

sorry bro, he won that, anyone who tries to bash him for 2021 or the work done on his is delulu

 

[mominsaigol]

sorry bro, he won that, anyone who tries to bash him for 2021 or the work done on his is delulu

And so did azmatullah yet I can name dozens of dozens of odi batters who would slap him senseless in 2024 yet not alot of teams played odi in 2024.

Rizwan's shining moment in t20 will always be that 10 wicket win over india. But beyond that he was avg.

He wasnt anything special in 2021 and Pakistan fans view that Cup through narrow lens.

After humiliating India, We needed 2 asif Ali vs Afg and NZ to actually qualify.

Asif chased 24 in 12 batting with the tail 2x which is. Asif Ali is a tulla and an embarrassment of a batsmen yet somehow he fluked it on those 2 occasions but those games were lost.

After that we dominated Australia but Pakistan’s throughout the tournament were relying on opening spells to win. They even let India recover to 158 when logically india were getting bundled out for less then 100.

Australia took advantage and was able to recover after the initial onslaught and PK shpuld have done better.

Babar's 39 of 34 didnt help nor did rizzu 54 of 39. We were clearly below par and at one point 70-1 in 10 overs.

Australia is a team that managed to do the impossible vs Afghanistan in wc 2023. They've pulled off one hit miracles dozens of times. Pakistan should have known what they were getting themsleves into.

It was a collective team failure, but Rizwan wasnt as great as you remember him in 2021. He was an okay t20 batter in that era.

 

[Major]

And so did azmatullah yet I can name dozens of dozens of odi batters who would slap him senseless in 2024 yet not alot of teams played odi in 2024.

Rizwan's shining moment in t20 will always be that 10 wicket win over india. But beyond that he was avg.

He wasnt anything special in 2021 and Pakistan fans view that Cup through narrow lens.

After humiliating India, We needed 2 asif Ali vs Afg and NZ to actually qualify.

Asif chased 24 in 12 batting with the tail 2x which is. Asif Ali is a tulla and an embarrassment of a batsmen yet somehow he fluked it on those 2 occasions but those games were lost.

After that we dominated Australia but Pakistan’s throughout the tournament were relying on opening spells to win. They even let India recover to 158 when logically india were getting bundled out for less then 100.

Australia took advantage and was able to recover after the initial onslaught and PK shpuld have done better.

Babar's 39 of 34 didnt help nor did rizzu 54 of 39. We were clearly below par and at one point 70-1 in 10 overs.

Australia is a team that managed to do the impossible vs Afghanistan in wc 2023. They've pulled off one hit miracles dozens of times. Pakistan should have known what they were getting themsleves into.

It was a collective team failure, but Rizwan wasnt as great as you remember him in 2021. He was an okay t20 batter in that era.

sir he wont the t20 player of the year award for that year. He was making runs through out the year. Im not talking about a man of the match which is based upon a single match performance, im talking about the icc t20 player of the year award which is based upon performance during the whole year.

 

[mominsaigol]

sir he wont the t20 player of the year award for that year. He was making runs through out the year. Im not talking about a man of the match which is based upon a single match performance, im talking about the icc t20 player of the year award which is based upon performance during the whole year.

And azmatullah won odi cricketer of the year in 2024. What's your point?

These rankings and such and such don't matter. Btw I dont hate rizwan. I use to but I have matured.

That doesnt mean I wont call out a rubbish t20 player when I see one. Rizzu is a misfit in t20 in any era 2021 or not.

Test =/= t20. It is a shame PK doesnt play more test though

 

[Major]

And azmatullah won odi cricketer of the year in 2024. What's your point?

These rankings and such and such don't matter. Btw I dont hate rizwan. I use to but I have matured.

That doesnt mean I wont call out a rubbish t20 player when I see one. Rizzu is a misfit in t20 in any era 2021 or not.

Test =/= t20. It is a shame PK doesnt play more test though

they do matter.

 

[Rana]

they do matter.

What difference do they make? They get players signed up the to Hundred?

 

[topspin]

When you look at arguments put forward by a certain poster like "rankings matter", it makes me wonder whether he took any lessons on critical thinking at school.

Everyone knows Rizbar were at the top of the rankings for white ball cricket and were in receipt of awards. But this was because they inflated their stats against minnows/2nd and 3rd string bowling attacks against non-minnow opposition.

 

[mominsaigol]

When you look at arguments put forward by a certain poster like "rankings matter", it makes me wonder whether he took any lessons on critical thinking at school.

Everyone knows Rizbar were at the top of the rankings for white ball cricket and were in receipt of awards. But this was because they inflated their stats against minnows/2nd and 3rd string bowling attacks against non-minnow opposition.

2021 wc 10 wicket win over india which was a collective effort, was the highlight of Ba/Riz t20 career.

But everyone looks at 2021 through narrow lenses.

Nz and Afg were lucky wins due to Asif Ali kicking off in 2 games despite never performing throughout his career. Otherwise both games were lost.

Australia was lost from a winning position.

It goes to show ba/riz vs india was a one off in the same way imam's 150 vs england was a one off.

Their batting sucked in all 3 games that transpired after, and it showed that this team wasnt beyond choking and relying on fluke one hit wonders from the lower order.