The Get Wahab Riaz to England thread

[Usman]

Am I the only one to have watched our medium pace attack get ripped to shreds in this odi series and thought, I wish we had Wahab's fire at our disposal?

How can it possibly be the case that the slow middle of the road bowling of someone like Junaid is better than the pace and experience of Wahab?

Don't get me wrong - Wahab is capable of being hit for 100 runs on a bad day. But he's also capable of ripping through a side on a good day and crucially, has the ability to bowl fast and accurate yorkers - a lost art in Pakistani cricket. When our middle of the road medium pacers are being hit for a 100 runs anyway, what exactly is the reason for not selecting Wahab? What could he possibly do to make things worse?

In the last odi, Hasnain got us the key breakthroughs of both openers which enabled the match to get close at the end. Yet Hasnain is inexperienced, and so he doesn't quite understand how to bowl at the death. Wahab has just as much pace as Hasnain but crucially is a man with tons of experience who has been there, done it and has the t-shirt.

If I was Inzi, Sarfraz or Mickey right now, I'd be ensuring that Wahab was on the next plane to England.

 

[Ahmed216]

No i dont think we need him, Shaheen is better

 

[Usman]

No i dont think we need him, Shaheen is better

The same Shaheen who has been bowling at least 10mph slower, has been tonked all around the ground and who had to be dropped for the last game? On these pitches, I don't think so.

 

[Ahmed216]

The same Shaheen who has been bowling at least 10mph slower, has been tonked all around the ground and who had to be dropped for the last game? On these pitches, I don't think so.

But going back to wahab will he a step backwards, we all know he lacks match winning ability.
Yes shaheen went for runs but that doesnt mean hes downright poor.
He needs to be reminded of importance of bowling good lengths on these surfaces with little extra pace

 

[ugem]

Hate him or like him. He is better than Junaid, Faheem and Shaheen in given circumstances.
He can bat also.

 

[TalhaSyed]

The same Shaheen who has been bowling at least 10mph slower, has been tonked all around the ground and who had to be dropped for the last game? On these pitches, I don't think so.

You talking about the same Wahab who came to our last ICC competition - 2017 CT - bowled 8.4 overs, went for over 10 runs an over and ended up picking up an ankle injury - an injury which resulted in him being pulled from the squad and galvanising our bowling attack for the remainder of the competition?

Or you talking about the same Wahab who averages 96 in ODIs in England at an economy of a touch under 6 in ODIs in England?

On these pitches, I don't think so.

On these pitches, with the boundary sizes we have seen, Wahab will be cannon fodder.

 

[jonny darko]

M Amir, U Shinwari, Shaheen Afridi, W Riaz, Junaid Khan - there is an abundance of left-arm pacers, both young & veteran, all at the same time. quite a conundrum.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Sadly he is not in good books of Mickey. Wahab can destroy any team on his day.

 

[KyoOne]

You talking about the same Wahab who came to our last ICC competition - 2017 CT - bowled 8.4 overs, went for over 10 runs an over and ended up picking up an ankle injury - an injury which resulted in him being pulled from the squad and galvanising our bowling attack for the remainder of the competition?

Or you talking about the same Wahab who averages 96 in ODIs in England at an economy of a touch under 6 in ODIs in England?

On these pitches, I don't think so.

On these pitches, with the boundary sizes we have seen, Wahab will be cannon fodder.

Our bowlers are consistently going at over 7 runs per over. It would easily be an upgrade.

I'll take him over JK and Faheem any day of the week. Can bat better than both, decent fielder and has pace.

Has shown good fitness and form domestically as well

 

[Ahmed216]

And that day never arrives

 

[BreadPakoda]

Need both Wahab and Sami. Pace is pace yaar.

 

[IAJ]

Need both Wahab and Sami. Pace is pace yaar.

And Shoaib Akhtar

 

[Brainy sturdy]

The grass is always green on the other side . Bring him in and after a couple of days Wahab won’t look any different . He is known to leak runs like no one else in this squad and his wicket taking ability is also limited . Only Shinwari is a guy who on his day can take a 5fer and make an impact but on a bad day he would also leak 80 runs or even more . What is most distressing is the lack of a quality left arm spinner .

 

[Mueez]

Shinwari > Wahab.

Get Shinwari on the plane and not Wahab.

Shinwari has won us matches in the last couple of months.

 

[dhump]

No, because the day he will concede 90 odd runs which he did quite a few times in an ODI you will be posting a similar thread to throw him out and to declare him finished and what not.

Pakistan got no useful fast bowlers, and that is reality accept it and live with what you got no point in bringing back failures.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Our bowlers are consistently going at over 7 runs per over. It would easily be an upgrade.

I'll take him over JK and Faheem any day of the week. Can bat better than both, decent fielder and has pace.

Has shown good fitness and form domestically as well

Faheem would get dropped for Amir or Asif anyway so comparing Faheem to Wahab is a waste of time.

So that leaves us with Junaid

Junaid Averages 36 in England
Wahab averages 96 in England

Junaid has an economy of 5.58 in England
Wahab has an economy of 6.67 in England

During the last ICC event - 2017CT - which also occured in England:

Junaid had an average of 19 and Econ of 4.6
Wahab had an average of infinity and an econ of 10

In the last 4 years:

Junaid Averages 34 in 24 ODI matches
Wahab averages 50 in 22 ODI matches

Sure - stats aren't everything - and I'm not trying to bore you to death with stats. But what I'm trying to show is that there is clearly no logical reason to pick Wahab over Junaid. Our domestic cricket is not strong enough to make the assumption that if you perform there you would be able to perform at the international stage. If that was the case Umar Akmal would be giving Kohli a run for his money.

Picking Wahab will be a classic case of not learning from our past mistakes and selecting tried and tested failures. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Their is a tendency in Pakistani cricket for your stock to rocket through the roof when you are sitting on the bench. All people can remember about Wahab is "express pace" and "that over to Watson" and "how much better he is then the current bowlers" because he hasn't worn the green shirt recently.

It's a cliche case of the grass always being greener on the other side.

What fans forget is why he got dropped in the first place. His fast - yet erratic - bowling which would get smacked to all parts of the ground on the flat pitches and tiny boundaries we have seen in England so far.

The bowlers we have in England are the most logical choice. The only bowler who may feel a little bit hard done by is Usman Shinwari given his recent performance, yet we need to limit it to a squad of 15 so someone was bound to miss out.

 

[QalandarFan]

Yeah throw Umar Gul, Aziz Cheema, and Mohammad Sami into the list of names we should get to England as well. Until those guys arrive I'd say even give Waqar a jersey since he's already there so we don't get smacked in the last ODI!

 

[Kroll]

You cannot be serious man.

 

[QalandarFan]

No, because the day he will concede 90 odd runs which he did quite a few times in an ODI you will be posting a similar thread to throw him out and to declare him finished and what not.

Pakistan got no useful fast bowlers, and that is reality accept it and live with what you got no point in bringing back failures.

Pakistani fans and their nostalgic hero's. Lmao )

 

[BreadPakoda]

Yeah throw Umar Gul, Aziz Cheema, and Mohammad Sami

"At least they won't be worse than Faheem, Junaid, and Shaheen" would be the typical response

 

[Zaz]

People have short memories Its the same wahab who was getting smashed around so much that people were begging for his axing and now people remember his pace but not his hammerings

Hed perform no differently to some of the others if not worse

 

[nap229]

We need wahab. We need his pace. Enough of trundlers.

 

[MRSN]

IMO he won't do worse than Junaid bowling pies.

 

[jonny darko]

Shinwari > Wahab.

Get Shinwari on the plane and not Wahab.

Shinwari has won us matches in the last couple of months.

I second this motion.

 

[QalandarFan]

Shinwari > Wahab.

Get Shinwari on the plane and not Wahab.

Shinwari has won us matches in the last couple of months.

Honestly, we need to get rid of Junaid and Faheem, so Amir comes in for Faheem and Shinwari for Junaid.

 

[Shafi]

Hasnain>Wahab>Shinwari>Junaid.
If Wahab replace Junaid it will be great. Haris Rauf will not be a bad option either.

 

[Gullycricket]

Wahab fire gave 111 runs at Trent bridge.Some people have short term memory...

 

[Khwaja78]

Hahaha Wahab will help secure the most runs record given by bowler against team like Windies and India.

So there is this lobby which likes to replace one monster from Inzi camp with another.

No talk about Shinwari or Haris Rauf while they want this spray gun in the tournament to join Imam, Azam and Malik to damage Pakistan team further.

 

[Kroll]

Hasnain>Wahab>Shinwari>Junaid.
If Wahab replace Junaid it will be great. Haris Rauf will not be a bad option either.

In CT, Junaid replacing Wahab helped our bowling improve its fortunes.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

You know things are bad when Wahab Riaz is being touted as a potential replacement.

 

[Kroll]

You know things are bad when Wahab Riaz is being touted as a potential replacement.

And funnily enough, the rest of the time we're complaining about bringing back TTF's.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You know things are bad when Wahab Riaz is being touted as a potential replacement.

Things are very clearly bad I don't think there's much disputing that.

I watched the PSL and Wahab was the best pace bowler from Pakistan by some distance, the only one consistently hitting 150ks and bowling good death overs.

Yes he is still going to be expensive and lose games, but so will the medium pacers. At least Riaz might win the odd one as well. Count me in.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

For those short term memory people

https://m.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/15355/eng-vs-pak-3rd-odi-pakistan-tour-of-england-2016

 

[MRSN]

You know things are bad when Wahab Riaz is being touted as a potential replacement.

I think people have seen enough of mediocre junaid who should never have been in the wc squad. Wahab is definitely a better bowler than him but it does not mean he is a world beater but better than Junaid. Wahab in place of Junaid inproves Pak chances slightly.

 

[MRSN]

For those short term memory people

https://m.cricbuzz.com/live-cricket-scorecard/15355/eng-vs-pak-3rd-odi-pakistan-tour-of-england-2016

A simple example.
We all know travelling by air we can reach at a destination much quicker but if we don't have that luxury we can use a car but if we also don't have that luxury we can use a motorbike and lastly we can use a bicycle.

Wahab is a motorbike here and Junaid is a bicycle. By motorbike we will struggle to reach the far destination too but it's still better than going by a bicycle.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Would much rather have Shinwari back.

Wahab should never play for Pakistan again.

 

[Titan24]

I understand where OP is coming from but at the moment we are not sure how the surfaces in the WC will be as ICC would be involved in their preparation. However if the surfaces are flat as we are currently witbessing Wahab might be better option than what most think.

Although, if surfaces are even a bit helpful like in CT 17 then he wont be of much use as other bowlers we have can use those much better. We need atleast two pacy bowlers to be prepared for both kind of conditions, Hasnain is already there and him being inexperienced means Wahab might get an edge over Haris Rauf and compete with Shinwari. Though Shinwari hasnt been getting his yorkers right recently but gives good option in the middle and with new ball

Shaheen, Hassan, Amir and Junaid are mostly conditions dependent so Junaid should make a way for another pacy option who can bowl Yorkers as well.

 

[MMHS]

I understand where OP is coming from but at the moment we are not sure how the surfaces in the WC will be as ICC would be involved in their preparation. However if the surfaces are flat as we are currently witbessing Wahab might be better option than what most think.

Although, if surfaces are even a bit helpful like in CT 17 then he wont be of much use as other bowlers we have can use those much better. We need atleast two pacy bowlers to be prepared for both kind of conditions, Hasnain is already there and him being inexperienced means Wahab might get an edge over Haris Rauf and compete with Shinwari. Though Shinwari hasnt been getting his yorkers right recently but gives good option in the middle and with new ball

Shaheen, Hassan, Amir and Junaid are mostly conditions dependent so Junaid should make a way for another pacy option who can bowl Yorkers as well.

Wahab won’t be a bad choice to be honest. Chances are this WC might be played on drier condition with high scoring belters - fast, reverse swing will definitely come into play in that case.

However, Wahab makes it too many lefti - at least 3 - Amir, Shaheen & Wahab. So, unless special case, he shouldn’t start, but for the squad an experienced senior pro isn’t bad idea. May be PCB can carry him with squad as 16th man at own expense.

But, probably the missing piece in this attack is Haris Rauf - I know his career is basically T20 based, but he looked sharp on average pace and quite potent with new ball. Skill-less medium pacers are going to be murdered in this WC.

Amir
Hasan
Shaheen
Hasnain
Rauf
Wahab/Shinwari

That makes quite versatile pace attack with most bases covered. Initially I thought Abbas could do something with new ball, but in such wickets .... no, no chance.

 

[Titan24]

Wahab won’t be a bad choice to be honest. Chances are this WC might be played on drier condition with high scoring belters - fast, reverse swing will definitely come into play in that case.

However, Wahab makes it too many lefti - at least 3 - Amir, Shaheen & Wahab. So, unless special case, he shouldn’t start, but for the squad an experienced senior pro isn’t bad idea. May be PCB can carry him with squad as 16th man at own expense.

But, probably the missing piece in this attack is Haris Rauf - I know his career is basically T20 based, but he looked sharp on average pace and quite potent with new ball. Skill-less medium pacers are going to be murdered in this WC.

Amir
Hasan
Shaheen
Hasnain
Rauf
Wahab/Shinwari

That makes quite versatile pace attack with most bases covered. Initially I thought Abbas could do something with new ball, but in such wickets .... no, no chance.

I totally agree with Haris Rauf being the missing link. Bowls with pace, swings the new ball and bowls best yorkers among Pakistani pacers, too bad Mickey and Inzi cant see it that he can solve problem of new ball wicket taking ability and death bowling as well. According to Mickey he is too raw at the moment.

Solid pace attack but I am not sure how Pak will accommodate 6 pacers.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wahab won’t be a bad choice to be honest. Chances are this WC might be played on drier condition with high scoring belters - fast, reverse swing will definitely come into play in that case.

However, Wahab makes it too many lefti - at least 3 - Amir, Shaheen & Wahab. So, unless special case, he shouldn’t start, but for the squad an experienced senior pro isn’t bad idea. May be PCB can carry him with squad as 16th man at own expense.

But, probably the missing piece in this attack is Haris Rauf - I know his career is basically T20 based, but he looked sharp on average pace and quite potent with new ball. Skill-less medium pacers are going to be murdered in this WC.

Amir
Hasan
Shaheen
Hasnain
Rauf
Wahab/Shinwari

That makes quite versatile pace attack with most bases covered. Initially I thought Abbas could do something with new ball, but in such wickets .... no, no chance.

Haris Rauf would also have been a good pick but I doubt he is even under consideration as he is totally untested so at this point I think we have to be realistic and go with possibilities like Wahab.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Would much rather have Shinwari back.

Wahab should never play for Pakistan again.

Shinwari can only bowl genuine pace if he breaks his back which means one per every three overs at best. Otherwise he will just add to the long list of left handed almost pace bowlers.

 

[MMHS]

I totally agree with Haris Rauf being the missing link. Bowls with pace, swings the new ball and bowls best yorkers among Pakistani pacers, too bad Mickey and Inzi cant see it that he can solve problem of new ball wicket taking ability and death bowling as well. According to Mickey he is too raw at the moment.

Solid pace attack but I am not sure how Pak will accommodate 6 pacers.

For squad - you can’t play 9 games in less than 5 weeks with 3-4 pacers only. Squad has to be rotated.

Roughly if I take 3 pacers certain and sometimes 4, that’s around 30 pacers’ spot in playing XI before SF, if PAK makes it.

6 of them shares that 30 games work load by playing 4 to 7 games each - if team makes SF, by that time Tank should have the idea of best 3/4 to pick for next KO game (s).

 

[Mueez]

Honestly, we need to get rid of Junaid and Faheem, so Amir comes in for Faheem and Shinwari for Junaid.

I think the same.

After seeing last match I have got to know that Junaid is finished.

And the lesser said about Faheem the better it is.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Shinwari can only bowl genuine pace if he breaks his back which means one per every three overs at best. Otherwise he will just add to the long list of left handed almost pace bowlers.

There has never been any use of Wahab's pace. He was very generous mashaAllah in England 2016, when he got whacked around for 106 runs in 10 overs I believe. He got absolutely destroyed by a past-it Yuvraj Singh of all people the last time he bowled in England, and the jawaan capped off that performance by hobbling off the field

He has been arguably one of the worst players to represent Pakistan in ODI cricket. OP been watching highlights of 2015WC though, so I sympathize with him.

Shinwari is a wicket-taker, although incredibly dumb at times.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There has never been any use of Wahab's pace. He was very generous mashaAllah in England 2016, when he got whacked around for 106 runs in 10 overs I believe. He got absolutely destroyed by a past-it Yuvraj Singh of all people the last time he bowled in England, and the jawaan capped off that performance by hobbling off the field

He has been arguably one of the worst players to represent Pakistan in ODI cricket. OP been watching highlights of 2015WC though, so I sympathize with him.

Shinwari is a wicket-taker, although incredibly dumb at times.

Wahab has won games with his pace, his career didn't start and end with one game in 2016. We know he is unpredictable, there will be games where he will let you down. But there will also be games where he can produce a wicket from nowhere with a snorter, even in the middle overs, and we know he can bowl at the death when he's got his rhythm.

Against that you have the almost genuine pace bowlers who are more consistent only in that they will get destroyed by any top batsmen at will with their 138kph nothing balls.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Is this the Wahab version of the Fly in Kami thread??

 

[Asif321]

Hearing that Wahab and Amir will be included
Junaid and Faheem going home

 

[fasihulhaq94]

nonsensical threads popping up on pp after each loss.

the average pak cricket fan has the memory of a goldfish. You automatically become a better bowler by just being out of the team. Both wahab and amir will get the exact same phainty that the current lot is getting.

the days of express pace and passion and what not are gone. Modern cricket is a scientific process where you play to your strengths, take calculated risks and have the players who can actually execute the game plan on the field. Which means we will always remain a below average/ mediocre team unless the selection process is streamlined and the think tank has the capacity to actually come up with a decent plan against the opposition.

otherwise the average fan will keep clamoring that things will get better if amir was in the team, or we just need a spark to get back on track and all the other nonsense.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Wahab has won games with his pace, his career didn't start and end with one game in 2016. We know he is unpredictable, there will be games where he will let you down. But there will also be games where he can produce a wicket from nowhere with a snorter, even in the middle overs, and we know he can bowl at the death when he's got his rhythm.

Against that you have the almost genuine pace bowlers who are more consistent only in that they will get destroyed by any top batsmen at will with their 138kph nothing balls.

When has Wahab won us games in ODI cricket?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hearing that Wahab and Amir will be included
Junaid and Faheem going home

That would be a sensible swap, although I am not sure I believe it. As MMHS has said, Rauf as a right arm bowler might have made more sense, but without any experience that was never going to happen. Anyway Hasnain is there.

 

[Slim]

Wahab Riaz broke records the last time he went to England.


Records for getting smashed to oblivion.

If the likes of you get your way, he will smash further records and would make sure a team reaches 500 against us.

 

[Manager101]

Champions trophy 2017 - Group match:

www.espncricinfo.com/series/8037/scorecard/1022353/india-vs-pakistan-4th-match-group-b-icc-champions-trophy-2017

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

nonsensical threads popping up on pp after each loss.

the average pak cricket fan has the memory of a goldfish. You automatically become a better bowler by just being out of the team. Both wahab and amir will get the exact same phainty that the current lot is getting.

the days of express pace and passion and what not are gone. Modern cricket is a scientific process where you play to your strengths, take calculated risks and have the players who can actually execute the game plan on the field. Which means we will always remain a below average/ mediocre team unless the selection process is streamlined and the think tank has the capacity to actually come up with a decent plan against the opposition.

otherwise the average fan will keep clamoring that things will get better if amir was in the team, or we just need a spark to get back on track and all the other nonsense.

You can't just look at history and stats, conditions are a big factor. Executing a game plan sounds great on paper, but in reality these pitches are going to be batsman's paradise. Medium pacers are going to get slogged out of the ground even if they bowl perfect length. Spin and pace will be the best bet for wickets.

 

[Slim]

Hate him or like him. He is better than Junaid, Faheem and Shaheen in given circumstances.
He can bat also.

Sadly he is not in good books of Mickey. Wahab can destroy any team on his day.

IMO he won't do worse than Junaid bowling pies.

Things are very clearly bad I don't think there's much disputing that.

I watched the PSL and Wahab was the best pace bowler from Pakistan by some distance, the only one consistently hitting 150ks and bowling good death overs.

Yes he is still going to be expensive and lose games, but so will the medium pacers. At least Riaz might win the odd one as well. Count me in.

Comments like these truly boil my blood. The intelligence quotient of our fans is low and the memories they possess are of a gold fish. You guy deserve garbage bowlers like Wahab Riaz who has been and will be smashed to oblivion and will help the opposing team score 500.

Only people who have lost their minds will support an equally brainless bowler.

 

[fasihulhaq94]

You can't just look at history and stats, conditions are a big factor. Executing a game plan sounds great on paper, but in reality these pitches are going to be batsman's paradise. Medium pacers are going to get slogged out of the ground even if they bowl perfect length. Spin and pace will be the best bet for wickets.

did you not see jofra archer get smashed in this game? pace is nothing if not bowled with accuracy.

if the pitches are batting paradises then go for containment. See how david willey executed his wide yorkers in the 2nd game. His two overs at the death lost us the match. In high scoring games on flatbeds, the chances of bowling out oppositions are non existent and since most teams at till 8, the batting side is never out of the equation. You have to have defensive bowling skills and a plan to execute them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When has Wahab won us games in ODI cricket?

Against India in Mohali took 5/46
Against S/Lanka Hambantota 4/45
Against Windies Bridgetown 3/38
Against England Abu Dhabi 3/43

I left out the minnows as I'm sure those are less relevant, but there are more.

 

[fasihulhaq94]

Comments like these truly boil my blood. The intelligence quotient of our fans is low and the memories they possess are of a gold fish. You guy deserve garbage bowlers like Wahab Riaz who has been and will be smashed to oblivion and will help the opposing team score 500.

Only people who have lost their minds will support an equally brainless bowler.

) lol true

half the pp is filled with hyper active teens these days

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Comments like these truly boil my blood. The intelligence quotient of our fans is low and the memories they possess are of a gold fish. You guy deserve garbage bowlers like Wahab Riaz who has been and will be smashed to oblivion and will help the opposing team score 500.

Only people who have lost their minds will support an equally brainless bowler.

So where were the brains of bowlers like Junaid who are currently occupying a slot? Which brainy bowler do you propose to bring in who will bowl to the plan successfully?

 

[Slim]

Against India in Mohali took 5/46
Against S/Lanka Hambantota 4/45
Against Windies Bridgetown 3/38
Against England Abu Dhabi 3/43

I left out the minnows as I'm sure those are less relevant, but there are more.

Do you need a visit to the specsavers? Did we win the match against India and when on earth is taking 3 wickets considered match winning performances? Shameless scrapping of the barrel.

This is bias of the highest order.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

did you not see jofra archer get smashed in this game? pace is nothing if not bowled with accuracy.

if the pitches are batting paradises then go for containment. See how david willey executed his wide yorkers in the 2nd game. His two overs at the death lost us the match. In high scoring games on flatbeds, the chances of bowling out oppositions are non existent and since most teams at till 8, the batting side is never out of the equation. You have to have defensive bowling skills and a plan to execute them.

We bowled three times at England so far, how many of the almost fast bowlers did you see bowling wide yorkers like David Willey from the Pakistan side?

 

[Titan24]

Comments like these truly boil my blood. The intelligence quotient of our fans is low and the memories they possess are of a gold fish. You guy deserve garbage bowlers like Wahab Riaz who has been and will be smashed to oblivion and will help the opposing team score 500.

Only people who have lost their minds will support an equally brainless bowler.

Problem is everybody else is already conceding 80 odd runs in almost every match. Junaid was as poor as I have seem a pacer bowl in recent times so replacing him shouldnt be a surprise.

You also have to take into account form and give leverage to the player that he might have worked hard and improved. I would have liked Haris Rauf in the team as well but I dont think Mickey and co are going to try him at the moment.

At the moment I cant think of many other options, Shinwari’s death bowing has also been poor.

Who do you think should replace junaid if team management is thinking in that direction?

 

[Slim]

So where were the brains of bowlers like Junaid who are currently occupying a slot? Which brainy bowler do you propose to bring in who will bowl to the plan successfully?

Junaid had an off day and so did our all bowlers throughout the series. Look at his stats pre england series, way better than your phasttt spray gun.

It was Junaid who replaced the spray gun in the last champions trophy to propel us to win the tournament eventually.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do you need a visit to the specsavers? Did we win the match against India and when on earth is taking 3 wickets considered match winning performances? Shameless scrapping of the barrel.

This is bias of the highest order.

You don't think 5/46 against India is a decent bowling performance?

 

[Slim]

Problem is everybody else is already conceding 80 odd runs in almost every match. Junaid was as poor as I have seem a pacer bowl in recent times so replacing him shouldnt be a surprise.

You also have to take into account form and give leverage to the player that he might have worked hard and improved. I would have liked Haris Rauf in the team as well but I dont think Mickey and co are going to try him at the moment.

At the moment I cant think of many other options, Shinwari’s death bowing has also been poor.

Who do you think should replace junaid if team management is thinking in that direction?

Firstly, i dont think Junaid should be replaced. The only player that should be replaced is Faheem with Amir.

However, if they really want to replace Junaid; it should be Shinwari. Shinwari although has his brainless moments but his bowling is better than the other option that is Wahab.

Shinwari's death bowling is poor but Wahab's bowling no matter what the stage is horribly poor. Choosing between two ***** options and choosing the lesser.

 

[Slim]

You don't think 5/46 against India is a decent bowling performance?

Was it a match winning performance? And why has he never repeated such a performance again? Because it happened once in his shambolic career.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Was it a match winning performance? And why has he never repeated such a performance again? Because it happened once in his shambolic career.

Look at his world cup record. He's was pretty decent in 2011 and 2015

 

[Pete Rose]

We have enough white jackets, don’t need more

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Junaid had an off day and so did our all bowlers throughout the series. Look at his stats pre england series, way better than your phasttt spray gun.

It was Junaid who replaced the spray gun in the last champions trophy to propel us to win the tournament eventually.

JUnaid had an off day which I somehow predicted before both matches. Maybe this almost phaasst bowler will miraculously start bowling wide yorkers in the final game!

 

[Titan24]

Firstly, i dont think Junaid should be replaced. The only player that should be replaced is Faheem with Amir.

However, if they really want to replace Junaid; it should be Shinwari. Shinwari although has his brainless moments but his bowling is better than the other option that is Wahab.

Shinwari's death bowling is poor but Wahab's bowling no matter what the stage is horribly poor. Choosing between two ***** options and choosing the lesser.

Yes nothing is finalized but Amir for Faheem has happened already I guess. Junaid was toothless, didnt make any batsmen struggle and gave away the match in his last over.

Junaid was a top bowler but since his knee problems he has never been the same unfortunately.

Considering the conditions in Eng, Junaid might not be effective as there is no assistance for seamers.

 

[Slim]

Look at his world cup record. He's was pretty decent in 2011 and 2015

Is there a special classification now? WC only bowler? Because i wasnt made aware of it.

Stop it.

 

[Slim]

JUnaid had an off day which I somehow predicted before both matches. Maybe this almost phaasst bowler will miraculously start bowling wide yorkers in the final game!

Well at least he wont get smashed for record amount of runs. Who remembers Wahab Riaz's embarrassing delivery to Steve Smith?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Was it a match winning performance? And why has he never repeated such a performance again? Because it happened once in his shambolic career.

One thing I will say and it should be understood before you start making more silly comments like go to specsavers: I am in no way a fan of Wahab Riaz, I called for him to be dropped as well when he produced garbage performances. He is NOT a good bowler.

But when I see 34 yr old has beens like Junaid who despite bowling at medium pace still can't land the ball where he needs to, then I think yeah, if I'm going to have an inaccurate bowler, might as well go with the one who can bowl fast and has some aggression to win.

 

[Slim]

Yes nothing is finalized but Amir for Faheem has happened already I guess. Junaid was toothless, didnt make any batsmen struggle and gave away the match in his last over.

Junaid was a top bowler but since his knee problems he has never been the same unfortunately.

Considering the conditions in Eng, Junaid might not be effective as there is no assistance for seamers.

Junaid was terrible in the last match. He looked totally out of gas. I dont know what has happened to him. He performed pretty well in Asia cup and the matches before but then got injured afterwards. His pace looked shot and now outswing strangely.

I think Mickey and Co. need to take a decision next match, if Junaid fails again maybe Shinwari should be on the plane.

 

[Slim]

One thing I will say and it should be understood before you start making more silly comments like go to specsavers: I am in no way a fan of Wahab Riaz, I called for him to be dropped as well when he produced garbage performances. He is NOT a good bowler.

But when I see 34 yr old has beens like Junaid who despite bowling at medium pace still can't land the ball where he needs to, then I think yeah, if I'm going to have an inaccurate bowler, might as well go with the one who can bowl fast and has some aggression to win.

Thankgod, you clarified that you werent a Wahab fan because i consider you a very sane and sorted poster.

I will just say one thing; faster the bowler, the faster the ball will reach the boundary in our case.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Thankgod, you clarified that you werent a Wahab fan because i consider you a very sane and sorted poster.

I will just say one thing; faster the bowler, the faster the ball will reach the boundary in our case.

Wahab could get wicket with a bouncer climbing onto the batsman. He bowled better death bowl overs more consistently than any other Pakistani bowlers in the PSL, that is the most recent form I am using as a yardstick. He can lose his line for sure, but I don't see any option which I am happy with. I don't rate Shinwari either, he's just another not quite fast enough bowler who doesn't hit the right spots enough.

 

[Titan24]

Junaid was terrible in the last match. He looked totally out of gas. I dont know what has happened to him. He performed pretty well in Asia cup and the matches before but then got injured afterwards. His pace looked shot and now outswing strangely.

I think Mickey and Co. need to take a decision next match, if Junaid fails again maybe Shinwari should be on the plane.

He lost his pace in 2015-16 when he got injured, he used to seam the bowl better than most and even in CT17 he was really good because pitches were assisting bit of seam movement. Last match he played on bit assisting surface was against Aus in Abu Dhabi where he was decent. Pitches in Eng this season are looking as flat as you will ever see.

Junaid might wtill decent on pitches which will provide something but it isnt looking like the case in WC.

 

[fasihulhaq94]

Is there a special classification now? WC only bowler? Because i wasnt made aware of it.

Stop it.

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[Usman Chadda]

Against India in Mohali took 5/46
Against S/Lanka Hambantota 4/45
Against Windies Bridgetown 3/38
Against England Abu Dhabi 3/43

I left out the minnows as I'm sure those are less relevant, but there are more.

We lost at Mohali.

Please link the rest of the scorecards if you can. Are you clubbing Tests with ODIs, as I believe the last one in Abu Dhabi was a Test match?

 

[Ronaldo7]

Is there a special classification now? WC only bowler? Because i wasnt made aware of it.

Stop it.

So you would pick Junaid over Wahab?

 

[fasihulhaq94]

just to refresh some memories