The Get Wahab Riaz to England thread

[cricketInsight]

that would be poor choice

 

[blackanhyellow]

Wahab and Shinwari should both be in the squad in place of Junaid and Hasnain. People will have their reservations - as they should - but these guys might actually win us the odd game.

You can't play wahab and shinwari in the same team though. If a batting side gets going these two lose their radar completely. 500 on the cards.

 

[Bewal Express]

The present lot is bad but Wahab isn't the solution either



Here is an example:

He isn't great but surely he can't be this bad.

 

[MeanAndGreen]

You can't play wahab and shinwari in the same team though. If a batting side gets going these two lose their radar completely. 500 on the cards.

Definitely. But should be in the squad.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Wahab is terrible and his LOI career should be over. Maybe people forget the thrashing he received in England last time.

Just look at his last 10 ODI's (excluding WI) and see how horrendous he has been.

 

[HGhazanfar]

Confirmed

Wahab for Junaid
Amir for Faheem
Asif Ali for Abid Ali

They may even consider Shinwari for Hasnain

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I have my reservations about Wahab , but can it seriously be worse than what we've already seen?

Yes, because riaz was dishing out performances like this even before batting became this absurd

He averages 34 in Odis and people are acting like he is some saviour

 

[Bewal Express]

Yes, because riaz was dishing out performances like this even before batting became this absurd

He averages 34 in Odis and people are acting like he is some saviour

He isn't good but watching the harmless dross bowled by the bowlers this close to the WC, surely he is better than this.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

He isn't good but watching the harmless dross bowled by the bowlers this close to the WC, surely he is better than this.

What evidence is there to back it up?

He is as dumb as any bowler to play for us, he is closer to 40 then 30 and his record is abysmal

 

[Usman Chadda]

He isn't good but watching the harmless dross bowled by the bowlers this close to the WC, surely he is better than this.

Wahab is even worse. I remember him being smacked senseless in that onslaught at Trent Bridge in 2016 and then by a past-it Yuvraj Singh. The guy kept serving buffet balls in Yuvraj's hitting zone and just couldn't learn.

Shinwari is better, albeit a dumb bowler in his own right.

 

[Bewal Express]

What evidence is there to back it up?

He is as dumb as any bowler to play for us, he is closer to 40 then 30 and his record is abysmal

Well most of the bowlers here were picked on PSL form and he was one of the better ones in this year's event. I am not suggesting that by picking him that everything will be ok, but it can't be any worse. I think the over to Watson did him alot of damage, and he played in the team for too long even when he was rubbish. In the PSL I saw rhythm which didn't have for the last few years.

 

[Bewal Express]

Wahab is even worse. I remember him being smacked senseless in that onslaught at Trent Bridge in 2016 and then by a past-it Yuvraj Singh. The guy kept serving buffet balls in Yuvraj's hitting zone and just couldn't learn.

Shinwari is better, albeit a dumb bowler in his own right.

I can't disagree with you say about his form then, but these guys look totally lost. He is Bowling quick and with looked one of the better Bowlers in the PSL.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I can't disagree with you say about his form then, but these guys look totally lost. He is Bowling quick and with looked one of the better Bowlers in the PSL.

He did, but it's never about form for Wahab Riaz. As soon as a batsmen starts going after him, he becomes too predictable and gets duly smashed. He has lost the plot with amazing regularity.

I would call in Shinwari. I really hope they realize Junaid will be next to useless on these wickets.

 

[Bewal Express]

He did, but it's never about form for Wahab Riaz. As soon as a batsmen starts going after him, he becomes too predictable and gets duly smashed. He has lost the plot with amazing regularity.

I would call in Shinwari. I really hope they realize Junaid will be next to useless on these wickets.

To be fair all our bowlers find it difficult to respond to an assault. Maybe I am clutching at straws but for me he can't any worse than the dross from Hassan and co.

 

[Boi]

Wahab is just as wayward and brainless and also brings along with him his no ball problem. Please don’t call him up

 

[shah_1]

I would play Wahab Riaz instead of Hasnain

Shinwari ahead of Junaid Khan

 

[moghul]

More Pace
better batsman
better fielder
and on current form , Wahab is better bowler than any other fast bowler in the team ATM.

 

[Slim]

Im geniunely embarrassed to read comments calling for his recall. I have lost all hope from this country's people - they are as brainless as it can get.

 

[The Viper]

He doesn’t offer any thing tbh. Wayward and has no brains. People have to realise that T20 and ODIs are different. Wahab will get mauled. As mentioned by others, when he was out the team during CT, the team did well.

 

[ritzy_123]

Nah Wahab is not a good choice it's better to go for Shinwari then but not Wahab

 

[Shaddy86]

Poor man's Mitchell Johnson. Might still be better than what we've seen in Faheem, Shaheen and co.

 

[MenInG]

He is in the squad now.

 

[saeedhk]

I think Inzi visits pakpassion nowadays.

 

[Usman]

My thread worked

I wonder if Inzi, Sarfraz and Mickey do actually read PP!

 

[zains_rulez]

My thread worked

I wonder if Inzi, Sarfraz and Mickey do actually read PP!

This really shows neither you nor Inzi had any idea of bowling...

Now 500+ on cards if he plays

 

[Plumb]

His favorite reporters ran a good campaign... Salute to them.

 

[Captain caveman]

My thread worked

I wonder if Inzi, Sarfraz and Mickey do actually read PP!

We did it. We got wahab back.ignore the haters, wahab is our trump card. Well done bro!

 

[Badsha]

This really shows neither you nor Inzi had any idea of bowling...

Now 500+ on cards if he plays

You're clueless. You cant not select players based on such a defensive mindset. You need aggression if you wanna win games.

 

[Captain caveman]

You're clueless. You cant not select players based on such a defensive mindset. You need aggression if you wanna win games.

Your 100!% right. If mickey done his homework, then he will know ireland played england in malahide just before us and almost beat thek, curran just got them over the line in a low scoring game. And how they restricted England run rate was by bowling fast bouncers at them. They couldnt handle it.

 

[Green Patriot]

Terrible decision IMO.
Will cost us.

 

[KyoOne]

Faheem would get dropped for Amir or Asif anyway so comparing Faheem to Wahab is a waste of time.

So that leaves us with Junaid

Junaid Averages 36 in England
Wahab averages 96 in England

Junaid has an economy of 5.58 in England
Wahab has an economy of 6.67 in England

During the last ICC event - 2017CT - which also occured in England:

Junaid had an average of 19 and Econ of 4.6
Wahab had an average of infinity and an econ of 10

In the last 4 years:

Junaid Averages 34 in 24 ODI matches
Wahab averages 50 in 22 ODI matches

Sure - stats aren't everything - and I'm not trying to bore you to death with stats. But what I'm trying to show is that there is clearly no logical reason to pick Wahab over Junaid. Our domestic cricket is not strong enough to make the assumption that if you perform there you would be able to perform at the international stage. If that was the case Umar Akmal would be giving Kohli a run for his money.

Picking Wahab will be a classic case of not learning from our past mistakes and selecting tried and tested failures. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Their is a tendency in Pakistani cricket for your stock to rocket through the roof when you are sitting on the bench. All people can remember about Wahab is "express pace" and "that over to Watson" and "how much better he is then the current bowlers" because he hasn't worn the green shirt recently.

It's a cliche case of the grass always being greener on the other side.

What fans forget is why he got dropped in the first place. His fast - yet erratic - bowling which would get smacked to all parts of the ground on the flat pitches and tiny boundaries we have seen in England so far.

The bowlers we have in England are the most logical choice. The only bowler who may feel a little bit hard done by is Usman Shinwari given his recent performance, yet we need to limit it to a squad of 15 so someone was bound to miss out.

As I said elsewhere, Wahab at least can bowl decent yorkers and pacy bouncers, none of which JK was capable of. Junaid was bowling half trackers fgs against this power-packed English batting line-up at death end, which at his pace are ht-me deliveries.

Junaid trumps Wahab with new ball without doubt, but we've seen ball doing absolutely nothing on belters that are being served in England and his new ball role can also be played by Hasan/Amir/Shaheen with similar efficiency

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

One of the greatest decision taken by inzamam.This decision is going to pay off.Wahab is going to shut his haters with wonderful performance yet again in the world cup.

 

[Slim]

One of the greatest decision taken by inzamam.This decision is going to pay off.Wahab is going to shut his haters with wonderful performance yet again in the world cup.

Yet again? When has he won matches for Pakistan in the WC?

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Am I the only one to have watched our medium pace attack get ripped to shreds in this odi series and thought, I wish we had Wahab's fire at our disposal?

How can it possibly be the case that the slow middle of the road bowling of someone like Junaid is better than the pace and experience of Wahab?

Don't get me wrong - Wahab is capable of being hit for 100 runs on a bad day. But he's also capable of ripping through a side on a good day and crucially, has the ability to bowl fast and accurate yorkers - a lost art in Pakistani cricket. When our middle of the road medium pacers are being hit for a 100 runs anyway, what exactly is the reason for not selecting Wahab? What could he possibly do to make things worse?

In the last odi, Hasnain got us the key breakthroughs of both openers which enabled the match to get close at the end. Yet Hasnain is inexperienced, and so he doesn't quite understand how to bowl at the death. Wahab has just as much pace as Hasnain but crucially is a man with tons of experience who has been there, done it and has the t-shirt.

If I was Inzi, Sarfraz or Mickey right now, I'd be ensuring that Wahab was on the next plane to England.

I honestly laughed a little at this thread thinking how impossible this is but woah this is like a prophecy.

Well done Sir let's hope Wahab delivers now.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

Yet again? When has he won matches for Pakistan in the WC?

You can't win matches single handedly.it's a team game.He was best bowler from pakistan in that world cup and was 2nd best bowler overall.His stats in world cup are amazing.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Wahab Riaz must be hosting a big iftaari tonight with Inzamam as the main guest.

 

[TalhaSyed]

As I said elsewhere, Wahab at least can bowl decent yorkers and pacy bouncers, none of which JK was capable of. Junaid was bowling half trackers fgs against this power-packed English batting line-up at death end, which at his pace are ht-me deliveries.

Junaid trumps Wahab with new ball without doubt, but we've seen ball doing absolutely nothing on belters that are being served in England and his new ball role can also be played by Hasan/Amir/Shaheen with similar efficiency

All these arguments of Wahab being able to do X, Y and Z whilst Junaid only does A, B & C are based on peoples opinion of how they perceive the two bowlers. The fact is that regardless of what Wahab can do and what Junaid can do - Junaid has delivered a much better result than Wahab has.

Please dont forget what happened to Wahab the last time he played in English conditions - whether that is the 2017 CT where we went at over 10 an over vs India or in the 2016 Pak vs Eng ODI series where he averaged 186 at a econ of 7+. I mean the guy went for 110 in his 10 overs at Trent Bridge.

Anyway - the decision has been made now and he is in the squad so it's time to back him and hope he delivers for Pakistan.

Wahab CAN do a lot of things. He showed that in Mohali in the 2011 World Cup and against Watson in the 2015 World Cup. I just hope that this time around - in his 3rd World Cup - he actually DOES do those things on a consistent basis and wins games for Pakistan. The difference between what Wahab can do and what he has done has been the biggest problem in Wahab's international career. I hope he puts it right this time when he has been gifted a spot in the team.

 

[Titan24]

All these arguments of Wahab being able to do X, Y and Z whilst Junaid only does A, B & C are based on peoples opinion of how they perceive the two bowlers. The fact is that regardless of what Wahab can do and what Junaid can do - Junaid has delivered a much better result than Wahab has.

Please dont forget what happened to Wahab the last time he played in English conditions - whether that is the 2017 CT where we went at over 10 an over vs India or in the 2016 Pak vs Eng ODI series where he averaged 186 at a econ of 7+. I mean the guy went for 110 in his 10 overs at Trent Bridge.

Anyway - the decision has been made now and he is in the squad so it's time to back him and hope he delivers for Pakistan.

Wahab CAN do a lot of things. He showed that in Mohali in the 2011 World Cup and against Watson in the 2015 World Cup. I just hope that this time around - in his 3rd World Cup - he actually DOES do those things on a consistent basis and wins games for Pakistan. The difference between what Wahab can do and what he has done has been the biggest problem in Wahab's international career. I hope he puts it right this time when he has been gifted a spot in the team.

Conditions with assistance for seamers, junaid is a much better bowler as we say in CT 17 however the way conditions are looking now based upon the Eng series, Junaid was gonna be toothless as we saw in thr match he played.

If conditions are going to be assisting pacers we have already got Hassan, Amir and Shaheen.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Look what this thread made Inzi do.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Conditions with assistance for seamers, junaid is a much better bowler as we say in CT 17 however the way conditions are looking now based upon the Eng series, Junaid was gonna be toothless as we saw in thr match he played.

If conditions are going to be assisting pacers we have already got Hassan, Amir and Shaheen.

Having 5 seamers makes sense - given the length of the competition. That seamer being Wahab is questionable.

If we are expecting flat pitches - we have seen what Wahab is capable of on flat pitches in the past...

 

[Slim]

You can't win matches single handedly.it's a team game.He was best bowler from pakistan in that world cup and was 2nd best bowler overall.His stats in world cup are amazing.

What are his stats in the WC? Please tell us.

Posters like you deserve whats coming for us, an absolute spanking where Wahab will spearhead just like his previous contributions in historic scores like England's 444.

 

[Abdulm123]

Inzi definitely reads pakpassion forums to make his decisions and get tips

 

[octavian]

Regardless of whether Wahab delivers or fails, this is one ballsy selection by Inzi

 

[Abdullah719]

What are his stats in the WC? Please tell us.

The stats are pretty good tbh.

 

[Slim]

The stats are pretty good tbh.

Remove the minnows please.

 

[Abdullah719]

Remove the minnows please.

 

[Titan24]

Having 5 seamers makes sense - given the length of the competition. That seamer being Wahab is questionable.

If we are expecting flat pitches - we have seen what Wahab is capable of on flat pitches in the past...

No other option available in terms of a pacer who can bowl decent yorkers. Haris Rauf should have been in the squad but he wont have been selected with inexperience of Shaheen and Hasnain already there. Plus Wahab looked to have worked hard on his yorkers as he was bowling them pretty well in PSL.

Most of the poor spells from Wahab are when he is given new or semi new ball, I am sure he can do better job at the death overs than what we saw from other pacers against Eng.

 

[Mainul]

Wo the OP has done wonders. Congrats

 

[Usman]

We did it. We got wahab back.ignore the haters, wahab is our trump card. Well done bro!

Thank you

When I saw the squad announcement this morning, I could barely believe my eyes. For once a Pakistani selectors acts proactively and does what is required in the national interest.

I honestly laughed a little at this thread thinking how impossible this is but woah this is like a prophecy.

Well done Sir let's hope Wahab delivers now.

I too thought that my own thread was a long shot to put it politely. But, it's happened and inshallah Wahab will do us all proud.

Look what this thread made Inzi do.

Don't know what, if anything, this thread had to do with it, but Inzi has played an absolute blinder.

Inzi definitely reads pakpassion forums to make his decisions and get tips

I think Inzi visits pakpassion nowadays.

I do wonder if that is true after today!

His favorite reporters ran a good campaign... Salute to them.

In the end, this will all benefit team Pakistan, inshallah!

Wo the OP has done wonders. Congrats

thanks. In reality we don't know whether Inzi's decision had anything to do with this thread but if it did, then I am very pleased as I really do think Inzi has made a great move here.

 

[Pete Rose]

Thank you

When I saw the squad announcement this morning, I could barely believe my eyes. For once a Pakistani selectors acts proactively and does what is required in the national interest.



I too thought that my own thread was a long shot to put it politely. But, it's happened and inshallah Wahab will do us all proud.



Don't know what, if anything, this thread had to do with it, but Inzi has played an absolute blinder.





I do wonder if that is true after today!



In the end, this will all benefit team Pakistan, inshallah!



thanks. In reality we don't know whether Inzi's decision had anything to do with this thread but if it did, then I am very pleased as I really do think Inzi has made a great move here.

I too look forward to a repeat of the first game of the CT where wahab performed as per his pedigree.

 

[Chokli]

I too look forward to a repeat of the first game of the CT where wahab performed as per his pedigree.

World Cup is a different beast, it brings out the best in some players.

 

[Pete Rose]

World Cup is a different beast, it brings out the best in some players.

Sound logic.

 

[Chokli]

Sound logic.

Australia going undefeated from 2003 - 2007.

 

[Pete Rose]

Australia going undefeated from 2003 - 2007.

not sure if i understand

 

[Chokli]

not sure if i understand

Australia were pummelled 3-0 by New Zealand before the World Cup 2007 and then come the World Cup, Australia raised their game.

Why? Because the World Cup is a different beast altogether.

You posted in another thread saying we would eat West Indies for lunch in a bilateral but not in the World Cup... Why do you say that? Because the World Cup is a different beast altogether.

 

[Pete Rose]

Australia were pummelled 3-0 by New Zealand before the World Cup 2007 and then come the World Cup, Australia raised their game.

Why? Because the World Cup is a different beast altogether.

You posted in another thread saying we would eat West Indies for lunch in a bilateral but not in the World Cup... Why do you say that? Because the World Cup is a different beast altogether.

Yeah... that analogy doesnt really work. Australia was a leading odi team before and after NZ series. Whereas we have lost ten games on the trot.

As for Windies example, thats more down to pakistan being rubbish in world cups.
We have never really raised our game in any world cup barring maybe 1992.

 

[Chokli]

Yeah... that analogy doesnt really work. Australia was a leading odi team before and after NZ series. Whereas we have lost ten games on the trot.

As for Windies example, thats more down to pakistan being rubbish in world cups.
We have never really raised our game in any world cup barring maybe 1992.

Point being World Cup is a different beast.

 

[TalhaSyed]

No other option available in terms of a pacer who can bowl decent yorkers. Haris Rauf should have been in the squad but he wont have been selected with inexperience of Shaheen and Hasnain already there. Plus Wahab looked to have worked hard on his yorkers as he was bowling them pretty well in PSL.

Most of the poor spells from Wahab are when he is given new or semi new ball, I am sure he can do better job at the death overs than what we saw from other pacers against Eng.

Let's see and hope you are right inshallah.

He's in the team so hope he delivers now and has learned from his last mistakes.

 

[gazza619]

Isnt it amazing that Wahab Riaz is bowling the same pace as he was bowling 4 years ago in 2015 WC. And he seems to have maintained his fitness. Hats off to the guy!

 

[Ronaldo7]

People call Amir a big match player. But looking at wahab's world cup record it shows that he's a supposed big match player too. Should have won the wc11 semi, just coz we didn't win it doesn't mean that performance should be discredited. The ct17 performance may have been an anomaly who knows.
Support him now. No point of criticising.

 

[Usman]

Mannnn I wish the next time you eat biryani every time you chew it’s a elachi I hate you so much why why why man couldn’t you have wished for anything else other than making sure we absolutely not only lose the World Cup but set new world records for the highest score conceded in odi cricket and wahab to beat his previous record

) That biryani comment is too funny!

Relax man, Wahab will inshallah prove you wrong. As I said in OP, if he gets hit for 100 runs, well that's what has been happening to Junaid and Faheem in any case. Difference with Wahab is that there's a chance he could get you wickets.

When Wahab wins the World Cup for us, I look forward to an iftari treat at yours with some elachi-free biryani

 

[Mp812]

You don't think 5/46 against India is a decent bowling performance?

That was in an era when sachin, schwag, yuvraj,raina all used to play as core players. This is not same era is it

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=758]Usman[/MENTION]

What a performance and what a thread.

 

[Grunge101]

This is because i was always rooting for him to be in the squad.
Im not saying he deserves to be there based on his international performances. I was supporting him because the PSL 19 Wahab was the fittest and most accurate hes been in his career.
Hell still be capricious but i hope his good days will overshadow the bad ones

 

[The Viper]

Wahab has a tendency to perform in WC's. Hopefully he continues this throughout the tournament.

 

[Usman]

[MENTION=758]Usman[/MENTION]

What a performance and what a thread.

Mashallah! I’m so proud of my Team Pakistan!

This thread was always about helping team Pakistan and I am so happy to see Wahab justify his selection. But more than that, I am so happy at what Pakistan has achieved today.

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD!!!

 

[Chokli]

I too look forward to a repeat of the first game of the CT where wahab performed as per his pedigree.

World Cup is a different beast, it brings out the best in some players.

Sound logic.

I told you.

 

[Pete Rose]

He bowled well in this game yes.

I told you.

 

[Badsha]

This really shows neither you nor Inzi had any idea of bowling...

Now 500+ on cards if he plays

Just a clueless man checking in

 

[waleed88]

Humble pie for me.

He bowled really well.

Its still a tragedy that his stats still read 10 overs 82 runs and 3 wickets. Maybe could've had another if Sarfraz had a slip for him.

In 3 games (1 warm up) Wahab has blown, hot, cold and hot.

The point is he has to be conceding lesser runs on his good days. You can give him a pass today because the target was 350. He will need to find a consistency and balance in his bowling where he can threaten without giving it away.

 

[Grunge101]

Humble pie for me.

He bowled really well.

Its still a tragedy that his stats still read 10 overs 82 runs and 3 wickets. Maybe could've had another if Sarfraz had a slip for him.

In 3 games (1 warm up) Wahab has blown, hot, cold and hot.

The point is he has to be conceding lesser runs on his good days. You can give him a pass today because the target was 350. He will need to find a consistency and balance in his bowling where he can threaten without giving it away.

He will continue to be quicksilver because thats who he is... There will be games when he will be erratic...
But i believe the current version of WR will have more good days than bad ones, and that makes him worth it... We dont have one other wicket taking fast bowler in the team right now. Hes worth the gamble

 

[PakPremi]

No point counting WI game as the score to defend was only 105 against mighty hitters. When he came to bowl EI were almost half way there, and some chances were dropped of his bowling. So in other two full bowling games he performed well. He is sort of bowler that will go doe run as he is attacking bowler. Much rated Archer also went for plenty.

 

[topspin]

Seemed like he would bottle it today, as he has done in the past, but delivered when it mattered. Credit to him.

Sarfraz needs to give him more support with a slip in place.

I will still be on edge when he’s come out to bowl in the next set of games because he’s a rhythm bowler and if he’s not in full flow, he can easily have a torrid day.

 

[Syed1]

I stand corrected... he was an inspired selection whether it was Inzi or Sarfaraz behind it. I just hope he keeps this momentum going.

 

[DrSchultz]

Seriously guys, stop looking at scorecards and start watching the matches. That's how you judge performances.

 

[Bewal Express]

Wahab is better than the other guys that are competing against him. I would still like to see him to take the Windies route at times and go all out times with short Bowling against some batsman.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Seriously guys, stop looking at scorecards and start watching the matches. That's how you judge performances.

I did suggest that quite a few times in this thread and others. Riaz is a big match player, you can't put that on a spreadsheet.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Brilliant bowling today!!! Still going for runs but a genuine wicket taker, which we desperately want. Needs to play all matches along with Mohammad Amir.

 

[Captain caveman]

Well done usman with this thread.
I supported this thread and wahab from the start. Always knew wahab would deliver!
Where are the guys who said wahab has never won pak a game?

 

[TalhaSyed]

Proud to have been proven wrong by Wahab so far.

Hope he can continue the strong performance throughout the World Cup inshallah and lead us to glort