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Usman Chadda said:
We lost at Mohali.

Please link the rest of the scorecards if you can. Are you clubbing Tests with ODIs, as I believe the last one in Abu Dhabi was a Test match?
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Last was one was an ODI that took place on 13 Nov 2015. You're mixing up the 4-fer he took in Dubai during England's tour of UAE 4 years ago.
 
topspin said:
Last was one was an ODI that took place on 13 Nov 2015. You're mixing up the 4-fer he took in Dubai during England's tour of UAE 4 years ago.
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Ah ok.

Did we win this ODI? I remember us getting thrashed by England 4-1 in 2015 :inti
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
That would be a sensible swap, although I am not sure I believe it. As MMHS has said, Rauf as a right arm bowler might have made more sense, but without any experience that was never going to happen. Anyway Hasnain is there.
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Why would swapping Wahab for Junaid make sense? What possible "sense" or logic will their be in this decision?
 
Wahab will lose his run up in crucial game and then we will blame selectors
 
I would take Ehsan Adil, Mohammad Abbas, Haris Raufor Mohammad Musa over Wahab Spraygun Riaz.
 
TalhaSyed said:
Why would swapping Wahab for Junaid make sense? What possible "sense" or logic will their be in this decision?
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The logic would be this: Wahab can be wild and inexpensive on his bad days, but he can also take wickets and bowl effective death overs on a good day. He's a fierce competitor so the big occasion won't rattle him.

Junaid has slightly better control, but on flat pitches with no seam movement his medium pace trundlers will be cannon fodder for top batsmen. Neither has he shown any superior control which would save him by bowling yorkers at the legs or wide of off stump like Willey demonstrated.

So while Wahab will have good and bad days, maybe more bad than good, I foresee Junaid only having bad days, as demonstrated in the two games he's played so far. No wickets with the new ball, and you know he will get creamed in the death overs at that pace.

Hope that logic makes sense. :)
 
Even Faheem concedes less runs and likely to pick as many wickets.
 
Asif321 said:
Wahab will lose his run up in crucial game and then we will blame selectors
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While I understand why Wahab gets a lot of hate but his performances in crucial matches isn't one of the reasons. His WC performances even in crucial games were pretty impressive and he has generally shown decent temperament in crucial matches. Of course there will be odd exceptions.
 
Kroll said:
Even Faheem concedes less runs and likely to pick as many wickets.
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Wahab averages more with the bat and less with the ball than Faheem though. :uakmal

I am not a fan of Wahab just feel that pitches on display in England require someone who can generate some pace as there isnt any help for pacers. I would like Haris Rauf to be that guy but its highly unlikely.
 
Wahab Riaz looked really fit in the PSL and bowled well in the Pakistan Cup.

Huge blunder by the selectors not to try him out versus Australia.

Junaid is past it, he was okay in 2017 but he's gotten worse.
 
I saw Wahab in BPL . He was magnificent. He bowled with venom and was accurate. He still has some pace. He would have been a better choice than Aamir for sure.
 
Wahab is playing in the Corporate T20 Cup final happening right now.

He just bowled a no-ball to Khushdil Shah and the free-hit was smashed for six. Two more fours after that.

:salute
 
Abdullah719 said:
Wahab is playing in the Corporate T20 Cup final happening right now.

He just bowled a no-ball to Khushdil Shah and the free-hit was smashed for six. Two more fours after that.

:salute
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That's the Wahab I know.

He showed the same Wahab the last time he bowled for Pakistan.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
That's the Wahab I know.

He showed the same Wahab the last time he bowled for Pakistan.
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As I said earlier, Wahab can be good and bad. Read the view of the poster above you who is neutral. Wahab bowled with fire and pace in the BPL where tougher competition needs good performers to rise to the occasion. Do you think your champ Junaid will be able to do it?

:genius
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
As I said earlier, Wahab can be good and bad. Read the view of the poster above you who is neutral. Wahab bowled with fire and pace in the BPL where tougher competition needs good performers to rise to the occasion. Do you think your champ Junaid will be able to do it?

:genius
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It's a different format where he could go all out for a couple of 2 over bursts. Bowling ten overs, he'd probably run out of gas and end up getting smashed to all parts.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
As I said earlier, Wahab can be good and bad. Read the view of the poster above you who is neutral. Wahab bowled with fire and pace in the BPL where tougher competition needs good performers to rise to the occasion. Do you think your champ Junaid will be able to do it?

:genius
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I wouldnt consider any Bangla or Indian poster neutral towards Pakistan.
 
Nearly 4 years of mediocrity, a few good games and suddenly it's bring back Wahab.

Surely Shinwari deserves a chance ahead of Wahab.
 
Top batters will beat him black and blue like they always do. We need to move on from him.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
As I said earlier, Wahab can be good and bad. Read the view of the poster above you who is neutral. Wahab bowled with fire and pace in the BPL where tougher competition needs good performers to rise to the occasion. Do you think your champ Junaid will be able to do it?

:genius
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He always bowls with fire and pace just misses the target more than often. The reason the opposition feasts on him despite all that fire in him.

In ODI it's even more of a risk considering he has to bowl more deliveries.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The logic would be this: Wahab can be wild and inexpensive on his bad days, but he can also take wickets and bowl effective death overs on a good day. He's a fierce competitor so the big occasion won't rattle him.

Junaid has slightly better control, but on flat pitches with no seam movement his medium pace trundlers will be cannon fodder for top batsmen. Neither has he shown any superior control which would save him by bowling yorkers at the legs or wide of off stump like Willey demonstrated.

So while Wahab will have good and bad days, maybe more bad than good, I foresee Junaid only having bad days, as demonstrated in the two games he's played so far. No wickets with the new ball, and you know he will get creamed in the death overs at that pace.

Hope that logic makes sense. :)
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For me - everything you have mentioned is purely opinion on how you perceive Wahabs and Junaids bowling. Let's look at this logically and factually to see how both bowlers have performed.

Junaid Averages 36 in England
Wahab averages 96 in England

Junaid has an economy of 5.58 in England
Wahab has an economy of 6.67 in England

During the last ICC event - 2017CT - which also occured in England:

Junaid had an average of 19 and Econ of 4.6
Wahab had an average of infinity and an econ of 10

In the last 4 years:

Junaid Averages 34 in 24 ODI matches
Wahab averages 50 in 22 ODI matches

Sure - stats aren't everything - and I'm not trying to bore you to death with stats. But what I'm trying to show is that there is clearly no logical reason to pick Wahab over Junaid. Our domestic cricket is not strong enough to make the assumption that if you perform there you would be able to perform at the international stage. If that was the case Umar Akmal would be giving Kohli a run for his money.

Picking Wahab will be a classic case of not learning from our past mistakes and selecting tried and tested failures. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Their is a tendency in Pakistani cricket for your stock to rocket through the roof when you are sitting on the bench. All people can remember about Wahab is "express pace" and "that over to Watson" and "how much better he is then the current bowlers" because he hasn't worn the green shirt recently.

It's a cliche case of the grass always being greener on the other side.

What fans forget is why he got dropped in the first place. He has fast - yet erratic - bowling which would get smacked to all parts of the ground on the flat pitches and tiny boundaries we have seen in England so far.

The bowlers we have in England are the most logical choice. The only bowler who may feel a little bit hard done by is Usman Shinwari given his recent performance, yet we need to limit it to a squad of 15 so someone was bound to miss out.

On top of that you look at what happened the last time Wahab played an ODI series in England in 2016. He averaged 186 and had an economy of 7.2.

Sorry man - but for me their is no logical reason to include Wahab in the squad.
 
TalhaSyed said:
For me - everything you have mentioned is purely opinion on how you perceive Wahabs and Junaids bowling. Let's look at this logically and factually to see how both bowlers have performed.
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Good post.

Only thing is Junaid is performing as worse as Wahab would hypothetically if not worse.

Usman outperformed Junaid in the Australian series while Junaid was carted around.

It's no surprise Junaid is being pummelled by the English batsmen.
 
You've got to be joking. Wahab Riaz is awful and I'd honestly rather have Faheem Ashraf over Riaz
 
Chokli said:
Good post.

Only thing is Junaid is performing as worse as Wahab would hypothetically if not worse.

Usman outperformed Junaid in the Australian series while Junaid was carted around.

It's no surprise Junaid is being pummelled by the English batsmen.
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Yup - I wouldn't argue against Usman being drafted in instead of Junaid. Again - I can see why some people are against Usman's inclusion since they think he may get hammered around but logically speaking in the last 12-24 months I would say Usman's performance has been better than Junaids.

Having said that - on a separate note - I think Hassan, Amir,. Shaheen and Hasnain are more likely to get a game ahead of Junaid or Usman.
 
TalhaSyed said:
Yup - I wouldn't argue against Usman being drafted in instead of Junaid. Again - I can see why some people are against Usman's inclusion since they think he may get hammered around but logically speaking in the last 12-24 months I would say Usman's performance has been better than Junaids.

Having said that - on a separate note - I think Hassan, Amir,. Shaheen and Hasnain are more likely to get a game ahead of Junaid or Usman.
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The people that are against Usman's inclusion would have some merit to their argument if we were playing a World T20. Usman was hammered all around the park in the PSL and in the T20 series vs South Africa in South Africa but he has done well in the ODI format.

It's honestly mind boggling as to why Usman was left out in the first place. There was literally no use for that Australian series if the performers of that series weren't even selected.

Junaid was 2011-2013 was great and contributed in a lot of wins for us but the guy has gone through so many injuries and has lost the ability he once had to make the ball talk.

Once upon a time Junaid used to average around 22-24 and that average has jumped up to just under 30. It's no surprise why, he's just not as good as he once used to be. Pakistan has far better bowlers at their disposal than to continue with the likes of Junaid and then have fans cry "Pakistan Cricket is finished".

His official date of birth is 1989 but I think we can all agree he's a few years older than that and it would make sense as to why he's not as good as he once was. If he is not and that is his actual birth date then it doesn't matter because he's already finished as a bowler when he went through those injuries in 2014/2015.

He did decent in the Champions Trophy but again it was two years ago and in that two year period he has missed a lot of games, why? Because of injuries! He is way too brittle than he was even two years ago.
 
Chokli said:
The people that are against Usman's inclusion would have some merit to their argument if we were playing a World T20. Usman was hammered all around the park in the PSL and in the T20 series vs South Africa in South Africa but he has done well in the ODI format.

It's honestly mind boggling as to why Usman was left out in the first place. There was literally no use for that Australian series if the performers of that series weren't even selected.

Junaid was 2011-2013 was great and contributed in a lot of wins for us but the guy has gone through so many injuries and has lost the ability he once had to make the ball talk.

Once upon a time Junaid used to average around 22-24 and that average has jumped up to just under 30. It's no surprise why, he's just not as good as he once used to be. Pakistan has far better bowlers at their disposal than to continue with the likes of Junaid and then have fans cry "Pakistan Cricket is finished".

His official date of birth is 1989 but I think we can all agree he's a few years older than that and it would make sense as to why he's not as good as he once was. If he is not and that is his actual birth date then it doesn't matter because he's already finished as a bowler when he went through those injuries in 2014/2015.

He did decent in the Champions Trophy but again it was two years ago and in that two year period he has missed a lot of games, why? Because of injuries! He is way too brittle than he was even two years ago.
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Why would the team management pick injured players ,I have a feeling that the management has picked junaid solely on the performance of the champions and I am not at all convinced thats junaid is 100 percent fit but there is still time to replace him with either shinwari or wahab but for me I would go to shinwari because of his current form.
 
According to media reports team management has decided to drop junaid and pick wahab riaz for the world cup squad announcement expected on monday,a brilliant decision in my opinion.
 
Chokli said:
The people that are against Usman's inclusion would have some merit to their argument if we were playing a World T20. Usman was hammered all around the park in the PSL and in the T20 series vs South Africa in South Africa but he has done well in the ODI format.

It's honestly mind boggling as to why Usman was left out in the first place. There was literally no use for that Australian series if the performers of that series weren't even selected.

Junaid was 2011-2013 was great and contributed in a lot of wins for us but the guy has gone through so many injuries and has lost the ability he once had to make the ball talk.

Once upon a time Junaid used to average around 22-24 and that average has jumped up to just under 30. It's no surprise why, he's just not as good as he once used to be. Pakistan has far better bowlers at their disposal than to continue with the likes of Junaid and then have fans cry "Pakistan Cricket is finished".

His official date of birth is 1989 but I think we can all agree he's a few years older than that and it would make sense as to why he's not as good as he once was. If he is not and that is his actual birth date then it doesn't matter because he's already finished as a bowler when he went through those injuries in 2014/2015.

He did decent in the Champions Trophy but again it was two years ago and in that two year period he has missed a lot of games, why? Because of injuries! He is way too brittle than he was even two years ago.
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Yup I agree that Usman wouldn't be anywhere near a T20 sides. I would also agree that he has performed exceptionally well recently in ODIs - I think he averages under 20 in recent times - so it's quite harsh on him to miss out
 
Chokli said:
The people that are against Usman's inclusion would have some merit to their argument if we were playing a World T20. Usman was hammered all around the park in the PSL and in the T20 series vs South Africa in South Africa but he has done well in the ODI format.

It's honestly mind boggling as to why Usman was left out in the first place. There was literally no use for that Australian series if the performers of that series weren't even selected.

Junaid was 2011-2013 was great and contributed in a lot of wins for us but the guy has gone through so many injuries and has lost the ability he once had to make the ball talk.

Once upon a time Junaid used to average around 22-24 and that average has jumped up to just under 30. It's no surprise why, he's just not as good as he once used to be. Pakistan has far better bowlers at their disposal than to continue with the likes of Junaid and then have fans cry "Pakistan Cricket is finished".

His official date of birth is 1989 but I think we can all agree he's a few years older than that and it would make sense as to why he's not as good as he once was. If he is not and that is his actual birth date then it doesn't matter because he's already finished as a bowler when he went through those injuries in 2014/2015.

He did decent in the Champions Trophy but again it was two years ago and in that two year period he has missed a lot of games, why? Because of injuries! He is way too brittle than he was even two years ago.
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It's true to some extent, my view has been influenced by watching Usman, Junaid and Wahab bowling in the PSL in T20 format. What was quite evident in that tourney was that the bowlers who were less than express pace were getting hammered consistently. What is interesting is that in the PSL you can't get away with filler overs of line and length for two reasons. Firstly, there are only 20 overs so the batsmen will go hard almost immediately. Secondly, the batsman in these leagues tend to be high quality so the weaker bowlers will also be less likely to survive the assault.

Under these conditions I saw Shinwari and Junaid destroyed more often than not, whereas Wahab was probably the most successful pace bowler. It may be T20, but any bowler who can be hit at will because the situation calls for it, is in danger of being a liability.

On these pitches T20 conditions are probably more relevant than ODI stats from older history which had totally different playing surfaces. Were teams scoring 350 plus regularly back then?
 
Usman said:
Am I the only one to have watched our medium pace attack get ripped to shreds in this odi series and thought, I wish we had Wahab's fire at our disposal?

How can it possibly be the case that the slow middle of the road bowling of someone like Junaid is better than the pace and experience of Wahab?

Don't get me wrong - Wahab is capable of being hit for 100 runs on a bad day. But he's also capable of ripping through a side on a good day and crucially, has the ability to bowl fast and accurate yorkers - a lost art in Pakistani cricket. When our middle of the road medium pacers are being hit for a 100 runs anyway, what exactly is the reason for not selecting Wahab? What could he possibly do to make things worse?

In the last odi, Hasnain got us the key breakthroughs of both openers which enabled the match to get close at the end. Yet Hasnain is inexperienced, and so he doesn't quite understand how to bowl at the death. Wahab has just as much pace as Hasnain but crucially is a man with tons of experience who has been there, done it and has the t-shirt.

If I was Inzi, Sarfraz or Mickey right now, I'd be ensuring that Wahab was on the next plane to England.
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Both Wahab riaz and Haris rauf are required!
Shaheen shah afridi out
Junaid out
Faheem out

Haris rauf ln
Wahab in
Amir in(on bench if required)

Should have 4 quicks in starting line up:
Wahab
Hasan ali
M. Hasanain
Haris rauf
 
szundercover said:
According to media reports team management has decided to drop junaid and pick wahab riaz for the world cup squad announcement expected on monday,a brilliant decision in my opinion.
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So the pace bowling squad is

Amir
Hasan
Shaheen
Hasnain
Wahab
Faheem

I posted almost same six with Rauf replacing Faheem.
 
MMHS said:
So the pace bowling squad is

Amir
Hasan
Shaheen
Hasnain
Wahab
Faheem

I posted almost same six with Rauf replacing Faheem.
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That would have been even better, you would have a full battery of genuine pace bowlers to choose from. Imagine if they had been brought on this tour, you would have learned so much more and could have picked the ones who showed they could cope under fire.
 
MMHS said:
So the pace bowling squad is

Amir
Hasan
Shaheen
Hasnain
Wahab
Faheem

I posted almost same six with Rauf replacing Faheem.
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In this case, I think Faheem will be dropped for Amir who wasn't in the original 15.
 
Saj said:
Nearly 4 years of mediocrity, a few good games and suddenly it's bring back Wahab.

Surely Shinwari deserves a chance ahead of Wahab.
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Saj these are exceptional circumstances. We are about to play a World Cup against some extraordinary batting line-ups on pitches which are completely flat. In 4 matches we have seen that our bowling attack, complete with 80mph bowlers, has been toothless. The ball is not swinging, reverse swinging or moving off the pitch. That has rendered our usually good bowlers completely useless. The only thing that has a chance of working is pace and aggression. Shinwari has neither - he is more of the same in terms of what we already have.

We either take this risk now or face up to the inevitable - i.e. that no matter how well our batters perform, we will lose games because our bowlers aren't able to take wickets. It's that simple.

As I have said before, Wahab may get tonked around the ground, but its not as if Junaid and co are super economical at the moment. So you either go with Junaid and Faheem which means getting hit for lots of runs with little chance of wickets or you go with Wahab who may or may not get hit for runs but certainly is able to take wickets.
 
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osama.t said:
Hahahah, thank you. It takes such an insane picture to add some sanity to this thread
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Yeah Wahab messed up there, no doubt but you can nick pick on every player whose played the game. Why dont you highlight Wahabs bowling against india in wc 2011(5fer) or his bowling vs aussies in wc2015. After wasims bowling in wc 1992 final, those two wahab spells are arguably the best pakistani pace bowling spells in any wc. Also his psl4 form was very good. Hes work hard and has improved his bowling. You are only going to trouble batsman on these flat wickets with genuine pace and top quality spin.
80 - 85mph bowlers are not going to get you wickets as we have seen in this series.
 
Captain caveman said:
Yeah Wahab messed up there, no doubt but you can nick pick on every player whose played the game. Why dont you highlight Wahabs bowling against india in wc 2011(5fer) or his bowling vs aussies in wc2015. After wasims bowling in wc 1992 final, those two wahab spells are arguably the best pakistani pace bowling spells in any wc. Also his psl4 form was very good. Hes work hard and has improved his bowling. You are only going to trouble batsman on these flat wickets with genuine pace and top quality spin.
80 - 85mph bowlers are not going to get you wickets as we have seen in this series.
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Oh please please if there was an over rated spell in the history of cricket that’s the 2015 Watson one my lord what a useless spell did he win us the game no 2011 did he win us the game no he’s a brainless bowler worst figures by a Pakistani bowler and those cheap shodey acts of mustache and sword celebrations alhumdulliah he’s not playing
 
Slim said:
This thread should be archived. Absolute rubbish.
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One thing I have noticed is that critics have resorted to name calling and posting single photo shots which isn't a great argument. At least TalhaSyed presented a reasoned and convincing use of the stats to back his stand against Wahab. That is a better way to go.
 
Mean&Green said:
Oh please please if there was an over rated spell in the history of cricket that’s the 2015 Watson one my lord what a useless spell did he win us the game no 2011 did he win us the game no he’s a brainless bowler worst figures by a Pakistani bowler and those cheap shodey acts of mustache and sword celebrations alhumdulliah he’s not playing
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Sorry for stating the obvious but cricket is a team game, one player cant win you a game. His delivery to Yuvraj singh , a yorker to bowl him for a duck was beautiful. We presently cant bowl yorkers to save our lives. Dont forget Yuvraj was the man of the series in that world cup and the wicket was a pancake. Not wahabs fault we could not score 240 runs on a 300 run par wicket.
Shane watson spell was the best pace bowling spell of wc2015. As per all the commies and even players like kp and abd said so. Not wahabs fault that pakistan cant catch otherwise we may well of won that match.
Anyway we can agree to disagree
 
Captain caveman said:
Yeah Wahab messed up there, no doubt but you can nick pick on every player whose played the game. Why dont you highlight Wahabs bowling against india in wc 2011(5fer) or his bowling vs aussies in wc2015. After wasims bowling in wc 1992 final, those two wahab spells are arguably the best pakistani pace bowling spells in any wc. Also his psl4 form was very good. Hes work hard and has improved his bowling. You are only going to trouble batsman on these flat wickets with genuine pace and top quality spin.
80 - 85mph bowlers are not going to get you wickets as we have seen in this series.
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Those good performances are too few and far between. Pace flies off the bat in these conditions, our bowlers currently, having bowled defensively woulda still picked up wickets if we had taken catches. And as you saw last game, 1 brings 2 brings 3. All of a sudden you'd look like a good confident bowling lineup
 
osama.t said:
Those good performances are too few and far between. Pace flies off the bat in these conditions, our bowlers currently, having bowled defensively woulda still picked up wickets if we had taken catches. And as you saw last game, 1 brings 2 brings 3. All of a sudden you'd look like a good confident bowling lineup
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Fair points. But wahab has worked hard and i saw much improvement in his bowling both in psl and the domestic odi series in pakistan thats just concluded.
True about missed catches this has always ocurred with pakistan but the last game was all down to the pressure of M. Hassain pace. Just imagine a pace battery of wahab, hassan ali, M.husnain and haris rauf on these flat wickets , l beieve we would get alot more wickets and hence win alot more games.
 
LOL people really hate poor wahab.You guys can say whatever you want but he is definitely much much better than these trundlers.He has improved a lot he has developed slower balls he bowls yorkers better than anyone else in pakistan.He surely should be in the team instead of that trundler junaid.
 
Keep the Wahab spay gun out of the team. Horrible bowler.
 
Captain caveman said:
Fair points. But wahab has worked hard and i saw much improvement in his bowling both in psl and the domestic odi series in pakistan thats just concluded.
True about missed catches this has always ocurred with pakistan but the last game was all down to the pressure of M. Hassain pace. Just imagine a pace battery of wahab, hassan ali, M.husnain and haris rauf on these flat wickets , l beieve we would get alot more wickets and hence win alot more games.
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Thats building a pace attack for these exact wickets. Which is not the way to go to prepare for a world cup. You'll have a bit of variety in the conditions, especially as the season wears on, you need the likes of shaheen, junaid, amir because they give you the best chance in most conditions. Also too little too late, when is the last time wahab even played an ODI?
 
We need to look beyond Wahab now, he is way past his prime. Shinwari deserves a shot ahead of him, and ahead of Junaid for that matter.
 
osama.t said:
Thats building a pace attack for these exact wickets. Which is not the way to go to prepare for a world cup. You'll have a bit of variety in the conditions, especially as the season wears on, you need the likes of shaheen, junaid, amir because they give you the best chance in most conditions. Also too little too late, when is the last time wahab even played an ODI?
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The wickets in the wc i believe will be exactly like these unless we have a wet summer ( then swing i.e. amir will be a must)or a heatwave(spin comes into play).
Theres not going to be much seam especially with the kookbura ball. So yes i would prepare a pace attack for these type of wickets.
Let me be clear i am only calling for wahabs inclusion for the world cup. After the wc many of the over 30s including wahab should retire from int cricket. My ONLY concern for now is winning the world cup and that means selecting the best players we have NOW. Im not looking further at the moment
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
One thing I have noticed is that critics have resorted to name calling and posting single photo shots which isn't a great argument. At least TalhaSyed presented a reasoned and convincing use of the stats to back his stand against Wahab. That is a better way to go.
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I agree with Talha there is no logical argument to be made in favour of selecting Wahab over Junaid Khan going by the numbers but when you look at our horrid performance with the ball so far and the nature of these wickets / style of play which gives us an indication of what to expect in the WC, perhaps it's not out of this world to consider him as an option ? plus the new kid Hasnain is too raw and a bad WC could severely dent his confidence when he has some decent tools to develop for the future. Wahab does blow hot and cold but for these circumstances he might be a decent selection, I haven't seen us utilise variation effectively and that is so important when you don't have pace, with pace you at least have a hail mary in your back pocket and he isn't a new bloke on the scene either.

I would bring back Shinwari, think he has some pace and variation to
 
Bowlers always look better when they are not playing. Just imagine the vitriol if Hasnain, or Afridi hadn't been chosen!
 
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Talk of Wahab to come into the WC squad according to Waqar

A good move if it's true. Too much dross bowled by all the bowlers.
 
The present lot is bad but Wahab isn't the solution either :facepalm: :facepalm:



Here is an example:

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How can management forget that it was Wahab Riaz who was smashed for 87 off 8.4 overs by India in the CT and after he was dropped our bowling looked miles better. Man one bad decision after another :facepalm: :facepalm:
 
Theres literally a 0% chance of this happening but man I would love to see Haris Rauf given a go. Genuinely feel he can make a difference to this attack.
 
Wahab performed well in all the World Cups he's featured in. He is needed for the experience he brings to the bowling
 
Wahab and Shinwari should both be in the squad in place of Junaid and Hasnain. People will have their reservations - as they should - but these guys might actually win us the odd game.
 
It was not wise to pick Hasnain if you look at how he has faren. He is not ready. You really need an experienced bowler here. Riaz or Shinwari.
 
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