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On Wednesday, a California lawmaker introduced a bill to make caste discrimination illegal in the state's senate. If it's passed, California - home to some of the world's biggest tech companies - will become the first US state to outlaw discrimination based on caste.

The bill was authored and introduced by Senator Aisha Wahab, a lawmaker from the Democratic Party, who proposed to add caste as a protected category in California's anti-discrimination laws alongside gender, race and disability.

It comes a month after Seattle became the first US city to ban caste-based discrimination after a vote by the local council.

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Ms Wahab represents a district in north California which has a large number of South Asians, many of whom work in technology firms. The Afghan-American lawmaker, who was raised in the San Francisco Bay Area by a US couple after her parents died, says that while she has not experienced caste discrimination herself, she understands it because of the place she grew up in.

"I've had friends tell me that their parents immigrated to this country because they belong to different castes and [their] families weren't accepting of that," she told the BBC.

The caste system is one of the oldest forms of surviving social discrimination in South Asian countries, including India and Nepal. In India, Dalits (formerly untouchables) and other lower castes are seen as historically disadvantaged groups and offered constitutional protections in the form of quotas and anti-discriminatory laws.

Dalit activists and academics say such recognition is needed in the West too, especially in the US. Many of them have been working towards spreading a similar awareness of caste and its complexities there for years.

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The country's tech industry has been grappling with the issue in recent years. In 2020, California regulators sued Cisco Systems on the basis of a complaint that a Dalit Indian engineer faced caste discrimination at the company's Silicon Valley headquarters. The next year, Tanuja Gupta, a senior manager at Google News, resigned after the company cancelled an invitation to Dalit rights activist Thenmozhi Soundararajan to speak to employees.

These incidents highlight that Californians "deserve workplaces and educational institutions free from discrimination", says Ms Soundararajan, founder of Equality Labs, a civil rights organisation.

Supporters of the bill say that caste discrimination needs a legislative solution. One of them is Maya Kamble, who uses a pseudonym for her advocacy work. She works as a manager at a big US firm and says she decided not to reveal that she was a Dalit to her current colleagues.

At a former workplace, she says, a manager who once trusted her with challenging assignments changed his attitude once he found out her caste. When the next big project came up, she says that he told her to stay away from it as she was "ill-fated".

"That was a big shocker for me and my colleagues," she says, adding that she would have filed a complaint if there was a caste discrimination law.

"The [human resources representative] didn't know anything about caste. How do I tell them that this is rooted in untouchability?" she says, adding that she had similar experiences when she came to the US as a student decades earlier.

Several educational, corporate, and political institutions in California have already formulated anti-caste discrimination policies.

Last year, California State University (Cal State), the largest public university system in the US, approved a policy change which added caste as a protected category. The same year, Apple announced that it had updated its employee policy two years earlier to prohibit caste discrimination. In 2021, the California Democratic Party added caste as a protected category to its code of conduct. The workers' union at Alphabet, Google's parent company, has issued a statement supporting Ms Wahab's bill.

But as the South Asian population in California continues to rise, caste stands to become a bigger issue.

The bill has several opponents, who argue that such laws will single out Indian and South Asian communities for unique legal scrutiny and make them less likely to be considered for jobs.

In 2021, Silicon Valley's Santa Clara County's Human Rights Commission stalled a vote on a measure that recognized caste as a protected category in the face of intense opposition from some South Asian groups.

Before the Seattle city council vote, nearly 100 organisations and businesses had written to it, asking it to oppose the caste ordinance. At the time, Suhag Shukla, co-founder and executive director of the Hindu American Foundation, had told the BBC that while caste discrimination was wrong and violated core principles of her religion, she was against the law because it sent a message "that our community, which makes up less than 2% of the population, is so uniquely bigoted that we need a special category under the law to police us, reinforcing xenophobic stereotypes we had hoped the US had moved beyond".

The Foundation is currently suing the state of California in a federal court for a "similarly unconstitutional definition of caste" and assisting with a challenge to Cal State's addition of caste to its non-discrimination policy.

But Ms Wahab says she is hopeful her colleagues will support her. Fellow Democratic senator Josh Becker, who represents the district where Alphabet and Meta are headquartered, says he is "supportive of anything to turn the tide" because he is alarmed that in a "country where hate and racism are on the rise, such behaviour [referring to caste] is being accepted and normalised".

Ms Wahab is now prepared for "roughly a year of not an easy process" - the bill will have to be passed by senate committees, the state senate, the assembly and get the governor's sign before it becomes a law.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-65048026
 
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It's a good thing that there's awareness of anti discrimination of Indian constitution is being spread and taking it as an example, initiatives are going elsewhere in rest of the world.

Having said that, if they ask for quota/reservation similar to in India, then it will be a bit concern because the structure of society is very different that of India and US (economy wise). Other groups may feel that it is unfair.
 
Documentary from a month ago

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I dont understand the argument of being single out that is made in the article. The fact that caste based discrimination is now widespread amongst the growing south Asian tech work force is not new. The only way you can protect workers is if this is covered in equalities legislation. We have been trying for years in the uk to get this made part of equalities but to no avail.

I hope this senator manages to get this bill approved. I just don't understand the argument against it. Caste by its nature singles out people for discrimination thus to highlight this is not singing out. More like gas lighting.
 
Is caste discrimination based on skin colour or some other distinction? It can't be profession, otherwise someone's caste wouldn't matter once they reached a professional level. Although to be perfectly honest, any sort of work is valuable, so there shouldn't be discrimination for someone working on a building site or working at a McDonalds for that matter.

The reason I ask about skin colour is that I notice there doesn't seem to be a problem with Indians who marry out into the white community, but there isn't the same acceptance if they marry an African American.
 
Is caste discrimination based on skin colour or some other distinction? It can't be profession, otherwise someone's caste wouldn't matter once they reached a professional level. Although to be perfectly honest, any sort of work is valuable, so there shouldn't be discrimination for someone working on a building site or working at a McDonalds for that matter.

The reason I ask about skin colour is that I notice there doesn't seem to be a problem with Indians who marry out into the white community, but there isn't the same acceptance if they marry an African American.

Caste is based on the profession. Subcontinent society was divided into 4 castes. There were Priests, Warriors, Businessmen and People performing other secular professions. This system was in place even before modern Hinduism appeared in India. You can never tell which caste a person belongs to in India unless the person is a tribal or scheduled caste. Even among them, many look like caste Hindus.

Marrying into African American community is not welcomed in all of the societies. Not just Hindus. Stereotypes play a huge role in it.
 
Caste is based on the profession. Subcontinent society was divided into 4 castes. There were Priests, Warriors, Businessmen and People performing other secular professions. This system was in place even before modern Hinduism appeared in India. You can never tell which caste a person belongs to in India unless the person is a tribal or scheduled caste. Even among them, many look like caste Hindus.

Marrying into African American community is not welcomed in all of the societies. Not just Hindus. Stereotypes play a huge role in it.

But we see plenty of intermarriage between white community and African American, this is increasing generation by generation. Hindus seem fine to marry into white community, but seem to draw the line with African Americans, regardless of the professionial attainments of potential suitors, so I think we can't truthfully say that caste is purely profession based. Otherwise why is this even coming up as something which needs to be addressed in California?
 
But we see plenty of intermarriage between white community and African American, this is increasing generation by generation. Hindus seem fine to marry into white community, but seem to draw the line with African Americans, regardless of the professionial attainments of potential suitors, so I think we can't truthfully say that caste is purely profession based. Otherwise why is this even coming up as something which needs to be addressed in California?

Thats true for Pakistanis Americans also. They are fine with marrying whites, but African American is frowned upon.
 
The article is referring to the Bay Area, where the profession on averaged is highly skilled, in particular IT, yet there is caste based system among Indians. Moreover, one can pretty much determine what caste one belongs to just by their name. This is 100% the case in the UK.

For example, any Indian in the UK with the name Sharma is typically of the Brahman caste, anyone with the name of Shah is typically a Bania.
 
The article is referring to the Bay Area, where the profession on averaged is highly skilled, in particular IT, yet there is caste based system among Indians. Moreover, one can pretty much determine what caste one belongs to just by their name. This is 100% the case in the UK.

For example, any Indian in the UK with the name Sharma is typically of the Brahman caste, anyone with the name of Shah is typically a Bania.

Shah is mostly among Jains.

I do not know what is happening in Bay Area, but I lived in enough cities and I have never known anyone by their caste. I could only know Christians based on their Christmas invites and Muslims because of their names.

Among Jains, I can't tell them they are Jains until they invite me to their Jain gatherings. Among Hindus, I do not know anyone's caste. India has so many castes, I can't tell what their caste is and where they fall in the hierarchy. No one cares here.

One thing is for sure. No Indian wants to work under an Indian manager. Indian managers tend to be too strict and act like big bosses and micro managers. No one likes that including non-Indians.
 
Thats true for Pakistanis Americans also. They are fine with marrying whites, but African American is frowned upon.

Its funny how Indians are getting singled out for not marrying African Americans. Every culture has a secret caricature of an African American. Progressive whites bend over backwards to be inclusive of all races. Majority of them still do not approve interracial marriages.
 
It's a good thing that there's awareness of anti discrimination of Indian constitution is being spread and taking it as an example, initiatives are going elsewhere in rest of the world.

Having said that, if they ask for quota/reservation similar to in India, then it will be a bit concern because the structure of society is very different that of India and US (economy wise). Other groups may feel that it is unfair.

Good thing?
I think it’s quite sad that this Indian filth has creeped into United States. And most likely the Indian comp techies brought this over to point that the state has to introduce laws to curb this stupidity.

I think Washington State has already passed laws after noticing this Indian filth practiced in the work places.

Shame on all those idiots who brought this junk to our country. They should have stayed in their hell holes.
 
Good thing?
I think it’s quite sad that this Indian filth has creeped into United States. And most likely the Indian comp techies brought this over to point that the state has to introduce laws to curb this stupidity.

I think Washington State has already passed laws after noticing this Indian filth practiced in the work places.

Shame on all those idiots who brought this junk to our country. They should have stayed in their hell holes.

The "good thing" was in context of how Indian consitution is referred to as the ideal model for providing equality among the people.

Nothing to do with situation in that particular bay area. What goes there nothing of my concern.
 
Why have so many Dalits in sub-continent still remained hindus even after thousands of years of unfair treatment and persecution by upper-caste hindus?

I am not saying they should all necessarily convert to islam, but any other religion like Christianity that offers some dignity and respect as humans is a better option.
 
Racism seems to be one of Hindustan’s biggest exports. The good news is they will be called out on it and will have to conform as this isn’t Tata industries in Bangalore any longer.
 
Why have so many Dalits in sub-continent still remained hindus even after thousands of years of unfair treatment and persecution by upper-caste hindus?

I am not saying they should all necessarily convert to islam, but any other religion like Christianity that offers some dignity and respect as humans is a better option.

It is not fault of the religion but the person, to treat one caste unfairly due to their profession (which is the basis of this caste system).

Lot of conversions in the backward castes are due to this reason too. The unfair treatment.

Indian constitution has put in place reservation system to uplift the backward castes.
But this has become a political tool now, with every government trying to gain votes through it.

It has unintentionally created a rift in the students / employees as the merit candidates in open categories (most of them from poor economic backgrounds) lose out due to this caste based reservations.

But times are changing as people are now realizing that one’s identity does not depend on their religion/caste/economic power.
 
Thats true for Pakistanis Americans also. They are fine with marrying whites, but African American is frowned upon.

I was expecting at some point the whataboutism jump to Pakistan, but ok it is true. This is also actually a reflection of racist culture ingrained in the Indian mindset, Pakistan - which is an offshoot of India - still holds onto the caste differentials as well.
 
Why have so many Dalits in sub-continent still remained hindus even after thousands of years of unfair treatment and persecution by upper-caste hindus?

I am not saying they should all necessarily convert to islam, but any other religion like Christianity that offers some dignity and respect as humans is a better option.

Islam has its own caste system in India. Ashraf, Ajlaf and Arzal. They do not inter marry and the lowest rung Arzal are treated pretty badly.
Christianity does not discriminate as much, but they have their own heirarchy. Every community has its own church.

I would say only Jainism are close to being casteless and equal to all people. Even Buddhism had it before they lost the ground to modern Hinduism and Islam.
 
Islam has its own caste system in India. Ashraf, Ajlaf and Arzal. They do not inter marry and the lowest rung Arzal are treated pretty badly.
Christianity does not discriminate as much, but they have their own heirarchy. Every community has its own church.

I would say only Jainism are close to being casteless and equal to all people. Even Buddhism had it before they lost the ground to modern Hinduism and Islam.

That is sad. I have seen a form of Muslim Indian casteism here in the uk which confused me at first. Some were racist to those from areas and towns. Weird. I've seen plenty of Hindu based casteism especially when it comes to things like marriage.
 
That is sad. I have seen a form of Muslim Indian casteism here in the uk which confused me at first. Some were racist to those from areas and towns. Weird. I've seen plenty of Hindu based casteism especially when it comes to things like marriage.

There are only 2 instances when caste becomes a factor. One for Marriage and the other during Elections for garnering votes.
Caste is a major weapon during general elections as politicians beg for votes by promising perks for various castes. Many also vote to a candidate just because the said person is from their caste.
 
There are only 2 instances when caste becomes a factor. One for Marriage and the other during Elections for garnering votes.
Caste is a major weapon during general elections as politicians beg for votes by promising perks for various castes. Many also vote to a candidate just because the said person is from their caste.

I've never really seen casteism at work and I have worked with hindus of all types. Most Asians at work tend to stick together to combat white racism. In the uk.
 
Racism seems to be one of Hindustan’s biggest exports. The good news is they will be called out on it and will have to conform as this isn’t Tata industries in Bangalore any longer.

I’m an ex Tata employee it’s actually one of the most progressive social workplaces. (Can’t say the same about work).

Also someone working in Bangalore would never prefer Tata.. but good try on stereotyping.
 
I've never really seen casteism at work and I have worked with hindus of all types. Most Asians at work tend to stick together to combat white racism. In the uk.

It’s subtle but I notice it sometimes, less at work but more socially.

People always assume my caste because of me being vegetarian.. i think it’s inappropriate to guess someone’s caste based on anything...

That’s how I know caste is on their mind..
 
I don’t think this is only a Hindu issue, Sikhs are also absolutely notorious for this crap, the jatt glorifying is the worst of all.
 
It’s subtle but I notice it sometimes, less at work but more socially.

People always assume my caste because of me being vegetarian.. i think it’s inappropriate to guess someone’s caste based on anything...

That’s how I know caste is on their mind..

i guess its very subtle and I wouldnt notice. Had a few friends who were vegetarian but many who just didnt care.
 
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