The Holocaust viewed in another a century or two

[Yossarian]

The Holocaust, with the deliberate and systematic murder of millions of innocent
Jews, Gypsies and the disabled, ranks alongside the most vile acts in the history of mankind.

As time goes by, as memories fade, and societies evolve whereby the here and now, or at best, the recent past, is what counts and the past gets forgotten, is it fair to say that the Holocaust won't mean much to future generations? Just as now most have never heard of some of the other mass murderers throughout history, where even the numbers killed during WW2 as a whole pale into comparison?

With that in mind, is it also fair to say that current events (regardless of which side you stand in the debate on Israelis versus Palestinians), as seen in the media/ social media, is what is forming the perception of Israeli's (and by extension, those of a Jewish background), to the detriment of the memories of the victims of the Holocaust?

I ask this because I have seen some disgusting and vile posts on other forums that are equating current events with those of the Holocaust.

Please, please lets have a decent grown up discussion, and avoid the general baiting that threads on similar topics end up being, with the Mods then having to delete the threads in order to safeguard the reputation of PakPassion as a civilised discussion forum.

 

[shaykh]

What current events do you speak of?...

I'd say that some in the Muslim world have allowed Israel to impact their thought process of the Holocaust...i've met a few over the years who have denied it...or the more common one 'exploited' it...

It's also something that has become more prevalent on the left who are also generally anti-Israel...

And on the right...I live in Romania now...and there is still a bit of that Antonescu legacy here...

So I wouldn't say it's going to be forgotten...but depending on who the power brokers are in the future will determine how the Holocaust is perceived...history is told by victors after all...

 

[KingKhanWC]

The holocaust has become and industry for Zionist Jews to steal land, occupy people and generally cause harm to anyone who may criticise them. They have disgraced the memory of the victims

 

[Bewal Express]

A horrific event which should future generations should not be allowed to forget. It should also be not used by criminal Israelis to stifle criticism of a racist state.

 

[Yossarian]

What current events do you speak of?...

I'd say that some in the Muslim world have allowed Israel to impact their thought process of the Holocaust...i've met a few over the years who have denied it...or the more common one 'exploited' it...

It's also something that has become more prevalent on the left who are also generally anti-Israel...

And on the right...I live in Romania now...and there is still a bit of that Antonescu legacy here...

So I wouldn't say it's going to be forgotten...but depending on who the power brokers are in the future will determine how the Holocaust is perceived...history is told by victors after all...

Firstly, I requested in the OP, that lets not turn this into yet another Muslim versus Israeli ding dong. Your first sentence veered towards doing that.

Now onto the rest (and putting aside the perceptions of the Holocaust in the Muslim world so as to avoid the aforementioned ding dong):

By and large (and of course there are exceptions to this), the perception of Israelis (and by extension (incorrectly) of Jews) falls into two main camps:

Those that regard Israel (and by extension Jews) as militarily powerful, having a strong economy, highly educated, assertive of their rights, successful as individuals, not to be messed with, and ready to hit back ten times harder than they are hit.
And those that regard Israelis (and by extension (incorrectly) Jews), as being brutal oppressors and occupiers, land grabbers,... along with numerous other derogatory aptitudes.

Regardless of which views is more prevalent in the media/ social media that form the perceptions of the newer generations, how does it (or both) sit with the memories of the victims of the Holocaust, memories of those innocents being herded onto trains to be taken to their deaths, memories of those starving in the death camps?
By that I mean, for the average Tom and Gill in the street, with no inkling of history, how can someone this powerful and strong (whether good or bad) be of the same peoples as those of the victims of the Holocaust?

And lastly, of course it's going to be 'forgotten over time, except by the historians and the descendants of the victims, just like the crimes of all other brutal dictators over the centuries have been forgotten. Sure, future generations may know the word Holocaust, but how many rank and file members of the public will know the full meaning and horrors of it?

As an example, how many of the younger generations of today even know of much more recent genocides than the Holocaust? Such as Rwanda and Cambodia? And further back in time, many will have heard the name Genghis Khan, but how many know about the genocides that took during his conquests and reign?

So if these are forgotten by and large by the masses, what makes you think that the victims of the Holocaust will not be forgotten too?

 

[Robert]

The Shoah is unique in history in that it was the one time that industrial methods were used to try to destroy an ethnic group in the name of racial purity.

Sadly, history gets distorted with time, and much faster in this era of fake news. A lot of youngsters don’t even believe in the Moon landings, yet believe rubbish such as the Flat Earth.

So while living memory of the Shoah will soon be lost, the lesson of history may soon be unlearned.

 

[ExpressPacer]

A very inciting and thought-provoking thread. My take on the matter is that while Holocaust denial will not become the norm, even in the future and even in a hypothetical Muslim-majority world, the recent crisis; the Palestinian Genocide will most certainly not do the past victims a world of good.

It is unfair to blame current generations for the sins of their ancestors, that is a commonly accepted belief - but the opposite is also equally significant. Past generations cannot be blamed and their brutal massacre cannot be justified by whatever their heirs commit.

 

[shaykh]

A very inciting and thought-provoking thread. My take on the matter is that while Holocaust denial will not become the norm, even in the future and even in a hypothetical Muslim-majority world, the recent crisis; the Palestinian Genocide will most certainly not do the past victims a world of good.

It is unfair to blame current generations for the sins of their ancestors, that is a commonly accepted belief - but the opposite is also equally significant. Past generations cannot be blamed and their brutal massacre cannot be justified by whatever their heirs commit.

Genocide has to be the most misused term ...

And it's quite ridiculous actually how the comparison of some conflicts is made to that of the Holocaust ...

Something like what happened in the former Yugoslavia or the stuff with the Rohingya can be described as ethnic cleansing ...

On what basis is Palestine ethnic cleansing?...lest I go into the fact that Israel is 20% Arab ...which is more than it was in post war 1948 ...you have plenty of cities within Israel proper which are predominantly Arab ...

If Israelis have been trying to cleanse their Arab population then they have done a shocking job at it ...

Do have a look at the population of Jews in Islamic countries though ...

 

[Yossarian]

[MENTION=133972]shaykh[/MENTION] does seem to want to indulge in a ding dong of Israelis versus Muslims, thereby diverting the whole purpose of the thread.

So let me repeat again, the thread is about the Holocaust, and how future generations views of the Holocaust and it's victims will evolve over time, due primarily to the diametrically opposing perceptions of Israelis (and by extension (incorrectly) of Jews) as depicted in the media/mass media.

Read post #5 above.

 

[Varun]

It will be remembered akin to the Titanic tragedy. No particular tears will be shed over the lives lost, but it will be remembered and part of general discourse in some form.

 

[Yossarian]

The Shoah is unique in history in that it was the one time that industrial methods were used to try to destroy an ethnic group in the name of racial purity.

Sadly, history gets distorted with time, and much faster in this era of fake news. A lot of youngsters don’t even believe in the Moon landings, yet believe rubbish such as the Flat Earth.

So while living memory of the Shoah will soon be lost, the lesson of history may soon be unlearned.

True. Could it not also be said that the only reason industrial methods weren't used to destroy entire populations of particular groups prior to the Holocaust was because industry wasn't advanced sufficiently when those mass murders took place?

Systemically murdering millions of innocents via industrial methods is vile, but surely hacking to death one-by-one with swords, knives and axes the men, women and children of whole communities on a mass scale (as has happened numerous times in history) is no less vile.

 

[Yossarian]

Artwork showing naked people playing tag in Nazi gas chamber condemned by Jewish groups

'It is just revolting and a total insult to the victims and anyone with any sense of morality or integrity'



Holocaust survivors have voiced anger over a video artwork that showed naked people playing a game of tag in a Nazi gas chamber.

Several Jewish organisations have written jointly to Poland's president Andrzej Duda, demanding to know if authorities gave permission for the footage to be filmed at the Stutthof concentration camp, where 65,000 people were murdered during World War Two.

Artur Żmijewski's film, entitled Game of Tag, was displayed at Krakow's Museum of Contemporary Art in 2015 as part of an exhibition about Auschwitz.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...nother-a-century-or-two&p=9528574#post9528574

What's even more shocking is that it was endorsed and sponsored by Israeli Embassy in Poland.

The exhibition was endorsed and sponsored by the Israeli Embassy in Poland. But after an outcry from Jewish groups, the embassy called for the video be removed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...mber-condemned-by-jewish-groups-a8085141.html

Makes the topic of the thread even more pertinent.

 

[SandyB]

Have been watching quite a few documentaries in Hitler. I used to think of the Holocaust as merely somewhere they poisoned or shot Jews , gypsies and the disabled (didn't know these many groups were involved) . But the documentaries explain how Hitler first tested his killing methods on the disabled children of actual Germans as well as the very sick and mentally disturbed. Once that came public, he avoided further questions by shifting the concentration camps to Poland as well a personally never signed ANY document or order linking him to any of the actions of the concentration camps and the SS.

What's truly frightening is the industrial efficiency with which the Jew are killed, and how easily people were complicit in the vision of hitler.

I don't know why various faiths or cultures have hated the jews (pre - Palestine issues that is) , but no community deserved to be cleansed like that . Countries like Iran officially denying the holocaust from having occured is not right in my opnion. And neither is Israel forcing settlers onto Palestinian territories.

 

[shaykh]

[MENTION=133972]shaykh[/MENTION] does seem to want to indulge in a ding dong of Israelis versus Muslims, thereby diverting the whole purpose of the thread.

So let me repeat again, the thread is about the Holocaust, and how future generations views of the Holocaust and it's victims will evolve over time, due primarily to the diametrically opposing perceptions of Israelis (and by extension (incorrectly) of Jews) as depicted in the media/mass media.

Read post #5 above.

How do you separate the two?...

I mean Israel has contributed to Muslim perceptions of the Holocaust...from positions as far ranging to they deserved it...to its a myth...

You can label me only but you do realise others in this thread have stated that Israel has exploited the Holocaust...and that the Israelis are implementing their own Holocaust...

Perceptions of the Holocaust are related to Israel...thats a fact...so those who deny Israels right to exist will also tend to have something to say about the Holocaust...

I mean KKWC has said the Jews should all return to Europe on many an occasion...i don't think it's unfair to say that quite a few desire another Holocaust...ie of Israeli Jews...or at the very least expulsion...

 

[Yossarian]

How do you separate the two?...

I mean Israel has contributed to Muslim perceptions of the Holocaust...from positions as far ranging to they deserved it...to its a myth...

You can label me only but you do realise others in this thread have stated that Israel has exploited the Holocaust...and that the Israelis are implementing their own Holocaust...

Perceptions of the Holocaust are related to Israel...thats a fact...so those who deny Israels right to exist will also tend to have something to say about the Holocaust...

I mean KKWC has said the Jews should all return to Europe on many an occasion...i don't think it's unfair to say that quite a few desire another Holocaust...ie of Israeli Jews...or at the very least expulsion...

'How do you separate the two?' makes a totally false assumption that Israelis v Palestinians is the only factor that affects the perception of Israeli's (and by extension (incorrectly) of Jews) in the minds of current (and future) generations based upon what they read see in the media/social media.

This is what I wrote earlier. Note the part in bold. That is applicable even when Palestinians/Muslims are removed from the whole equation. And yet you seem to be fixated with the notion that Israelis v Palestinians/Muslims is the only factor.

By and large (and of course there are exceptions to this), the perception of Israelis (and by extension (incorrectly) of Jews) falls into two main camps:

Those that regard Israel (and by extension Jews) as militarily powerful, having a strong economy, highly educated, assertive of their rights, successful as individuals, not to be messed with, and ready to hit back ten times harder than they are hit.
And those that regard Israelis (and by extension (incorrectly) Jews), as being brutal oppressors and occupiers, land grabbers,... along with numerous other derogatory aptitudes.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Been lurking on this forum now and then and didn't have the time to commit to any discussions. One thing i have noticed is that aside from the Hindutva posters on this site who seem to have developed an ideological alliance with the Zionist regime in Israel, there are two other posters who can really be best described as Zionist sympathisers. In every one of their posts it reminds of this old article i had read on the bbc http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.

I don't know if i can think worse of you if you're getting paid for it or doing it for free

 

[Yossarian]

Been lurking on this forum now and then and didn't have the time to commit to any discussions. One thing i have noticed is that aside from the Hindutva posters on this site who seem to have developed an ideological alliance with the Zionist regime in Israel, there are two other posters who can really be best described as Zionist sympathisers. In every one of their posts it reminds of this old article i had read on the bbc http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.

I don't know if i can think worse of you if you're getting paid for it or doing it for free

I'm sure none of them have posted in this thread.

 

[shaykh]

Been lurking on this forum now and then and didn't have the time to commit to any discussions. One thing i have noticed is that aside from the Hindutva posters on this site who seem to have developed an ideological alliance with the Zionist regime in Israel, there are two other posters who can really be best described as Zionist sympathisers. In every one of their posts it reminds of this old article i had read on the bbc http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.

I don't know if i can think worse of you if you're getting paid for it or doing it for free

Haha well obviously one of those you're referring to I presume is me ...

And if so then yes it's all for free ...

Who's the other?

 

[Yossarian]

Been lurking on this forum now and then and didn't have the time to commit to any discussions. One thing i have noticed is that aside from the Hindutva posters on this site who seem to have developed an ideological alliance with the Zionist regime in Israel, there are two other posters who can really be best described as Zionist sympathisers. In every one of their posts it reminds of this old article i had read on the bbc http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.

I don't know if i can think worse of you if you're getting paid for it or doing it for free

It's not uncommon for converts to become 'more religious and zealot' than those born into that religion.
If then at some point they've had enough, and 'unconvert back', it would not surprise anyone if they were then to align themselves with anyone and everyone who is anti said religion and it's followers, and then proceed to attack the same religion and it's followers with the same vigour as when they were newly converted zealots.
One way of doing that is via internet discussion boards/threads frequented by followers of said religion.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

It's not uncommon for converts to become 'more religious and zealot' than those born into that religion.
If then at some point they've had enough, and 'unconvert back', it would not surprise anyone if they were then to align themselves with anyone and everyone who is anti said religion and it's followers, and then proceed to attack the same religion and it's followers with the same vigour as when they were newly converted zealots.
One way of doing that is via internet discussion boards/threads frequented by followers of said religion.

Such people have extremist tendencies but only whilst they're Muslims would they be referred to as extremists. Once non-Muslim they're classed as far right and given a platform to voice their concerns.

 

[James]

I think it will be remembered for a very long time. Although people of many different backgrounds were targeted during the Holocaust, so many humans from one particular demographic (Jews) being systematically exterminated by industrial methods in such a short space of time is rather unheard of before or since. If 6 million is the correct figure then that is so massive it becomes frightening to comprehend - for example that is a majority percentage of the population of London.

 

[Yossarian]

Such people have extremist tendencies but only whilst they're Muslims would they be referred to as extremists. Once non-Muslim they're classed as far right and given a platform to voice their concerns.

Lets just say that my example was not just of a hypothetical scenario.

Been lurking on this forum now and then and didn't have the time to commit to any discussions. One thing i have noticed is that aside from the Hindutva posters on this site who seem to have developed an ideological alliance with the Zionist regime in Israel, there are two other posters who can really be best described as Zionist sympathisers. In every one of their posts it reminds of this old article i had read on the bbc http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.

I don't know if i can think worse of you if you're getting paid for it or doing it for free

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think it will be remembered for a very long time. Although people of many different backgrounds were targeted during the Holocaust, so many humans from one particular demographic (Jews) being systematically exterminated by industrial methods in such a short space of time is rather unheard of before or since. If 6 million is the correct figure then that is so massive it becomes frightening to comprehend - for example that is a majority percentage of the population of London.

Isnt it estimated up to 80 million people died in WW2? Why dont we have the same memorials and sympathy for them?

Why is denying a historic event a crime in many places?

I'ts strange dont you think?

 

[KingKhanWC]

How do you separate the two?...

I mean Israel has contributed to Muslim perceptions of the Holocaust...from positions as far ranging to they deserved it...to its a myth...

You can label me only but you do realise others in this thread have stated that Israel has exploited the Holocaust...and that the Israelis are implementing their own Holocaust...

Perceptions of the Holocaust are related to Israel...thats a fact...so those who deny Israels right to exist will also tend to have something to say about the Holocaust...

I mean KKWC has said the Jews should all return to Europe on many an occasion...i don't think it's unfair to say that quite a few desire another Holocaust...ie of Israeli Jews...or at the very least expulsion...

Youve been learning well from your Zionist masters. lol

Those Jews who came from Germany(their parents, grandparents etc) should return there? Why steal others land? The Palestinians living away should return there.

How in your mind this equates to another holocaust only a Zionist supporter could answer.

 

[Yossarian]

I think it will be remembered for a very long time. Although people of many different backgrounds were targeted during the Holocaust, so many humans from one particular demographic (Jews) being systematically exterminated by industrial methods in such a short space of time is rather unheard of before or since. If 6 million is the correct figure then that is so massive it becomes frightening to comprehend - for example that is a majority percentage of the population of London.

Not industrial as in buildings and incinerators. But seeing your wive and children being hacked to death with knives and axes in front of you before being hacked to death yourself - and this on a mass scale, is no less vile.

I'm assuming you've read about the Rwandan genocide?

Between April and June 1994, an estimated 800,000 Rwandans were killed in the space of 100 days.

Most of the dead were Tutsis - and most of those who perpetrated the violence were Hutus.

Mass murder

In Kigali, the presidential guard immediately initiated a campaign of retribution. Leaders of the political opposition were murdered, and almost immediately, the slaughter of Tutsis and moderate Hutus began.

Within hours, recruits were dispatched all over the country to carry out a wave of slaughter.
Image copyright AFP
Image caption Boys were among those recruited into militia groups

The early organisers included military officials, politicians and businessmen, but soon many others joined in the mayhem.

Organised gangs of government soldiers and militias hacked their way through the Tutsi population with machetes, or blew them up in churches where they had taken refuge.

The extremist ethnic Hutu regime in office in 1994 appeared genuinely to believe that the only way it could hang on to power was by wiping out the ethnic Tutsis completely.

Encouraged by the presidential guard and radio propaganda, an unofficial militia group called the Interahamwe (meaning those who attack together) was mobilised. At its peak, this group was 30,000-strong.

Soldiers and police officers encouraged ordinary citizens to take part. In some cases, Hutu civilians were forced to murder their Tutsi neighbours by military personnel.

Participants were often given incentives, such as money or food, and some were even told they could appropriate the land of the Tutsis they killed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13431486

And yet how many of the current generations have even heard of the Rwandan genocide which was just over 20 years ago?

 

[bones]

The Holocaust, with the deliberate and systematic murder of millions of innocent
Jews, Gypsies and the disabled, ranks alongside the most vile acts in the history of mankind.

Wrong.

The holocaust is perhaps the biggest lie in human history – definitely the one I think is.

Yes there were millions who were killed during WW2, millions killed by the Nazis but there are so many lies about the holocaust it's difficult to believe anything anymore. As the very famous saying goes - history is written by the victors.

1. The Nazis didn't have the technology to kill in gas chambers. Yes there were buildings that looked like them, but several scientists have gone in and concluded it was impossible for them to have been killed via gas.

2. Why is questioning the holocaust a crime? If you question the battle of waterloo or the massacre of Nanking for example you're not imprisoned or labelled "in denial". So why then are so many western countries imprisoning people for denying/questioning the holocaust? As another famous saying goes, the truth fears no interrogation. I believed the holocaust was real, like most of you do now. But when I found out people were imprisoned and fined for questioning it – then I knew something was up. The more and more I read up on it the more and more I realised how big the lie was.

3. The Jews/Zionists control the media, their influence cannot be understated. People are lied to repeatedly about Germany, Hitler and the Nazis. I'm not for a moment sympathising with their actions, but to claims they just decided one morning to start a war and start killing Jews and gypsies because they are evil.


4. Do people understand the logistics involved with transporting that many people, to execute them and then to destroy their bodies? It is an enormous logistical operation – it would be a mighty challenge in a normal situation let alone during an ongoing war where you are losing. Do you really think the high ranking officials want to divert the logistics requirements from the frontlines to concentration camps? This is the part where the whole holocaust collapses for me.

5. History teaches people that they were killed in concentration camps. The truth is that they were used in labor camps. As the war was coming to a close the Jews and gypsies who were in the camps died from hunger and cold. The officials were sending their last supplies of food, warm clothes and sheets to the frontlines so those in the labor camps died. It wasn’t a deliberate execution even though media and history books would lead you to believe.

6. If you lie and lie and lie about the same thing over and over, as they do in Hollywood, the media and in school books eventually it becomes the truth to the sheep.

7. They have used this lie to establish their illegal and terrorist state of Israel. They use it to justify their violence against neighbouring countries in the Middle East.

8. They use the holocaust lie to cover up the crimes of the allied forces in WW2. Remember the earlier point, history is written by the victors. Having the holocaust lie means anything the allied forces did is never as bad or usually not mentioned at all. Again I’m not sympathising with either side but truth is the truth.

I could go on and on and on.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

the truth fears no interrogation.

Yep bro agree to this statement.

 

[Hitman]

Wrong.

The holocaust is perhaps the biggest lie in human history – definitely the one I think is.

Yes there were millions who were killed during WW2, millions killed by the Nazis but there are so many lies about the holocaust it's difficult to believe anything anymore. As the very famous saying goes - history is written by the victors.

1. The Nazis didn't have the technology to kill in gas chambers. Yes there were buildings that looked like them, but several scientists have gone in and concluded it was impossible for them to have been killed via gas.

2. Why is questioning the holocaust a crime? If you question the battle of waterloo or the massacre of Nanking for example you're not imprisoned or labelled "in denial". So why then are so many western countries imprisoning people for denying/questioning the holocaust? As another famous saying goes, the truth fears no interrogation. I believed the holocaust was real, like most of you do now. But when I found out people were imprisoned and fined for questioning it – then I knew something was up. The more and more I read up on it the more and more I realised how big the lie was.

3. The Jews/Zionists control the media, their influence cannot be understated. People are lied to repeatedly about Germany, Hitler and the Nazis. I'm not for a moment sympathising with their actions, but to claims they just decided one morning to start a war and start killing Jews and gypsies because they are evil.


4. Do people understand the logistics involved with transporting that many people, to execute them and then to destroy their bodies? It is an enormous logistical operation – it would be a mighty challenge in a normal situation let alone during an ongoing war where you are losing. Do you really think the high ranking officials want to divert the logistics requirements from the frontlines to concentration camps? This is the part where the whole holocaust collapses for me.

5. History teaches people that they were killed in concentration camps. The truth is that they were used in labor camps. As the war was coming to a close the Jews and gypsies who were in the camps died from hunger and cold. The officials were sending their last supplies of food, warm clothes and sheets to the frontlines so those in the labor camps died. It wasn’t a deliberate execution even though media and history books would lead you to believe.

6. If you lie and lie and lie about the same thing over and over, as they do in Hollywood, the media and in school books eventually it becomes the truth to the sheep.

7. They have used this lie to establish their illegal and terrorist state of Israel. They use it to justify their violence against neighbouring countries in the Middle East.

8. They use the holocaust lie to cover up the crimes of the allied forces in WW2. Remember the earlier point, history is written by the victors. Having the holocaust lie means anything the allied forces did is never as bad or usually not mentioned at all. Again I’m not sympathising with either side but truth is the truth.

I could go on and on and on.

Are some Pakistanis by nature conspiracy theorists, even the educated ones?

 

[bones]

Are some Pakistanis by nature conspiracy theorists, even the educated ones?

Care to bring any meaningful discussion to the board?

6 million killed? Where are the hundrdds/thousands of graves? Unless the Germans invented technology to eviscerate bodies back then?

 

[Hitman]

Care to bring any meaningful discussion to the board?

6 million killed? Where are the hundrdds/thousands of graves? Unless the Germans invented technology to eviscerate bodies back then?

I don't need to. Because my views align with what history says. I don't have to provide evidence to my claim because history supports me, you need to provide evidence to prove your claim.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Are some Pakistanis by nature conspiracy theorists, even the educated ones?

What do you mean by nature? Do you think it is some genetic disposition which makes them different to other human beings?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't need to. Because my views align with what history says. I don't have to provide evidence to my claim because history supports me, you need to provide evidence to prove your claim.

For another very rare time on PP I find myself agreeing with you

 

[The Bald Eagle]

What do you mean by nature? Do you think it is some genetic disposition which makes them different to other human beings?

There always are varying claims on Holocaust but media just shows the one side only. Yep Pakistanis are no conspiracy lovers.

 

[bones]

I don't need to. Because my views align with what history says. I don't have to provide evidence to my claim because history supports me, you need to provide evidence to prove your claim.

Actually the onus is on you and the historians to prove your claim that 6 million Jews were killed. I claim that 6 million jews were not killed and they certainly weren't put in functioning gas chambers.

You believe they were so prove it. Where are the mass graves with 6 million bodies?

 

[bones]

Simple question for those who believe in the holocaust - why is it a crime to question the holocaust or deny it? Can you name another historical event that you can be imprisoned over?

 

[bones]

Robert Van Pelt - someone who knows a lot about Auschwitz said once "99% of the mass murders in Aushwitz do not have physical evidence". So the question is - where is the evidence?

 

[bones]

Auschwitz was one of the largest camps, according to researchers including Robert Van Pelt there were 12 ovens in the crematory. In order to kill the numbers of people they say were killed it would have to run night and day for over 50 years. Do you now understand the sheer adbsurdity of the lies?

If you think I'm making this up, just do some simple maths yourselves.

 

[Hitman]

Simple question for those who believe in the holocaust - why is it a crime to question the holocaust or deny it? Can you name another historical event that you can be imprisoned over?

Robert Van Pelt - someone who knows a lot about Auschwitz said once "99% of the mass murders in Aushwitz do not have physical evidence". So the question is - where is the evidence?

Auschwitz was one of the largest camps, according to researchers including Robert Van Pelt there were 12 ovens in the crematory. In order to kill the numbers of people they say were killed it would have to run night and day for over 50 years. Do you now understand the sheer adbsurdity of the lies?

If you think I'm making this up, just do some simple maths yourselves.

I don't entertain conspiracy theories with no merit. I go by what history tells us. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have been cooking those theories if the victims were Muslims instead of Jews.

 

[bones]

I don't entertain conspiracy theories with no merit. I go by what history tells us. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have been cooking those theories if the victims were Muslims instead of Jews.

History tells us if it sounds like cooked up lies then it always is.

You haven't addressed any of the points I've raised and it's clear why - you can't.

History tells us 6 million Jews were killed - so where are the bodies?

History tells us that they were killed in gas chambers. How?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There always are varying claims on Holocaust but media just shows the one side only. Yep Pakistanis are no conspiracy lovers.

My question was addressed to the poster @Hitman who asked Are some Pakistanis by nature conspiracy theorists, even the educated ones?

This implies that Pakistanis are by some genetic disposition prone to conspiracy theories which is quite a racist stance to take. It's no wonder he/she is now pretending not to have seen my response.

 

[RexRex]

Are some Pakistanis by nature conspiracy theorists, even the educated ones?

I've noticed it too.

 

[CricketCartoons]

My question was addressed to the poster @Hitman who asked Are some Pakistanis by nature conspiracy theorists, even the educated ones?

This implies that Pakistanis are by some genetic disposition prone to conspiracy theories which is quite a racist stance to take. It's no wonder he/she is now pretending not to have seen my response.

He asked a question, and qualified it for "some pakistanis". Forget racist, it is just a stereotype at worst.

I believe many pakistanis are conspiracy theorists, some of which may be true. Wonder how many pakistanis will see it as downright racist.