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They have benefited a lot from playing a lot of tests in home conditions but they have been phenomenally successful

By the time they retire collectively they will end up with 1000+ wickets

Is this the greatest english bowling duo ever?

Where does it rank in history?
 
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very fine pair,,,,,but for me it lacks that fear which fast bowlers brings to the table..
 
where does it rank in history?

As a pair (i.e. When playing together together) they have just crossed the 700 figure in ~95 tests. They will probably go passed Walsh and Ambrose and finish up 3rd on that list.

Some others....

*Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath
1001 wickets from 104 Tests.

*Muttiah Muralitharan and Chaminda Vaas
895 wickets in 95 Tests.

*Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose
762 wickets in 95 Tests.

*Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis
559 wickets in 61 Tests.

http://m.wisdenindia.com/full-story.php?category=Cricket Lists&id=179636&
 
As a pair (i.e. When playing together together) they have just crossed the 700 figure in ~95 tests. They will probably go passed Walsh and Ambrose and finish up 3rd on that list.

Some others....

*Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath
1001 wickets from 104 Tests.

*Muttiah Muralitharan and Chaminda Vaas
895 wickets in 95 Tests.

*Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose
762 wickets in 95 Tests.

*Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis
559 wickets in 61 Tests.

http://m.wisdenindia.com/full-story.php?category=Cricket Lists&id=179636&

Anderson and Broad have played 95 Tests together, taking 730 wickets.
 
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To me both Anderson and Broad fall short of the world great category and are just national greats.

Still a very good record though.
 
If he was born in South Africa, Anderson wouldn't have taken more than 100 wickets #fact
Well that;s not true but he certainly wouldn;t be a certified ATG, like he is atm in many of the English fans & pundit's eyes!
 
Well that;s not true but he certainly wouldn;t be a certified ATG, like he is atm in many of the English fans & pundit's eyes!

Anderson is in the Kumble, Harbhajan, Ntini and Vaas category of players.... Mediocre bowlers whose only claim to fame is having played a long time because of lack of competition...
 
The likes of Anil, Harbhajan, Ntini, Vaas would have easily fared better in this era wrt Clouderson! Jimmy has benefited from DRS immensely, I bet Kumble could easuly have had ~50 test wickets more than what he ended up with, the away players always loved to pad upto him, also Vaas with his accuracy.
 
Anderson is in the Kumble, Harbhajan, Ntini and Vaas category of players.... Mediocre bowlers whose only claim to fame is having played a long time because of lack of competition...

I hope you understand the meaning of the word mediocre. Or are you confusing it with the word "meritorious" ?
Mediocre bowlers by definition would not even play tests, leave alone claiming more than four hundred plus and five hundred plus test wickets.
 
The likes of Anil, Harbhajan, Ntini, Vaas would have easily fared better in this era wrt Clouderson! Jimmy has benefited from DRS immensely, I bet Kumble could easuly have had ~50 test wickets more than what he ended up with, the away players always loved to pad upto him, also Vaas with his accuracy.

Kumble would have lost about 50 wickets to drs in India pre neutral umpires.
 
Kumble would have lost about 50 wickets to drs in India pre neutral umpires.
2004 says high ~

You wouldn;t have won a single test series in India, in 50 years, if it were down to DRS. One of the biggest first bowl howlers people trend to forget, very easily!
 
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Kumble would have lost about 50 wickets to drs in India pre neutral umpires.

A lot more than 50.... He averages 19 in front of home umpires and 31 in front of neutrals... Not to mention home average of 25 vs away average of 35... One of the most overrated bowlers in cricket history... That this guy is 3rd highest wicket taker is a travesty in itself....
 
Stuart Broad's career amazes me more tbh. It's incredible how he got over from the six sixes fiasco in 2007 to become one of the greatest bowlers of his generation while the one who was hitting those six sixes ends up being an absolute Test failure with no performances to boot in the grandest form of the game. Brilliant from both Broad and Anderson.. two greats of the game.
 
Is this the greatest english bowling duo ever?

Trueman and Statham were the best, then probably Willis and Botham.

Now that Anderson and Broad gave proved that they can take wickets in all conditions I would put them at #3.
 
They're an ATG bowling pair. Not as skilled as some of the other, famous bowling partners and individually not as great but they compliment each other well and have been consistently winning England test matches.
 
There brilliant in favourable conditions and are England greats, don't rate them as ATGs.
 
Gillespie, Vaas, Kapil, Ntini, Botham...now Broad and Anderson enter that 'good' bowling category, they are not legendary though.
 
An impressive bowling partnership. Broad is slightly better than Anderson, in my opinion.
 
Anderson is indisputably an England great.

Broad is more good or very good than great - too inconsistent. Has the talent to be an England great but not sure he will get there.

Neither are ATGs.
 
To all those saying they got most of the wickets at home, give me a break. Not their fault they go t a nice long home season cause their board is organized.

Also, you still have to take the wickets consistently for years to continued to be picked.

Then there is a small matter for all that at home talk, these two bowlers have accomplished what the likes of Wasim, Murali and others never have. They have won a series in South Africa, Australia and even India. Anderson was actually pivotal in all those series as was Broad at times. Only place they haven't won in UAE but that is ok. EAch player has one blemish on their record (Ponting with spin, Inzi with Aus/SA...and so on).
 
Neither of them are quite ATG bowlers by themselves, but they are an ATG pair. 876 wickets and since 2010, they both average 25 odd, which is elite level.
 
Ghur mein shair. Took a long time to become potent in away tests. As some said above, really helped by better umpires and DRS.

Both are great bowlers, but they're nowhere in the class of others mentioned in this thread.

Have played against many weak oppositions. Even Zimbabwe were an excellent team in the 90s. These ungraiz never played against the best Australian team, and still World class WI

Even with all these advantages, their averages, particularly abroad, speak for themselves. They've also played in a team with ATG batsmen like Cook and KP, who've made their job easier. Unlike ewrlie pathetic England teams.
 
I would also put Broad marginally ahead, as he travels a bit better.

Anderson has a better record in Asia than Broad (avg of 30 v 36) but Broad has a much better record in South Africa (26 v Jimmy's 39).

Broad has a better average and SR in Australia too. He also beats Jimmy when you compare their record in New Zealand.
 
Broad may have better stats in Australia, but I'd still take Anderson over him there. Anderson was critical to England's win in Oz in 2010-11.
 
Man, I've noticed, PPers (especially the Indian ones) really hate the Brits. Can't give credit where it's due. Truth is that Anderson and Broad are 2 very good bowlers, and they do take wickets away from home. They're not ATGs and almost nobody treats them like they are, they are just 2 very good bowlers, fans can't accept that.
 
Broad may have better stats in Australia, but I'd still take Anderson over him there. Anderson was critical to England's win in Oz in 2010-11.

I think he was the only seamer that stayed fit for the five tests! Other bowlers were making big one-off contributions then getting crocked.
 
Stuart Broad's career amazes me more tbh. It's incredible how he got over from the six sixes fiasco in 2007 to become one of the greatest bowlers of his generation while the one who was hitting those six sixes ends up being an absolute Test failure with no performances to boot in the grandest form of the game. Brilliant from both Broad and Anderson.. two greats of the game.

Broad was never a bad bowler,even after those six sixes people barely remember he was the targetted bowler.
 
To all those saying they got most of the wickets at home, give me a break. Not their fault they go t a nice long home season cause their board is organized.

Also, you still have to take the wickets consistently for years to continued to be picked.

Then there is a small matter for all that at home talk, these two bowlers have accomplished what the likes of Wasim, Murali and others never have. They have won a series in South Africa, Australia and even India. Anderson was actually pivotal in all those series as was Broad at times. Only place they haven't won in UAE but that is ok. EAch player has one blemish on their record (Ponting with spin, Inzi with Aus/SA...and so on).

Good post.

People will always find a pathetic reason to hate someone.
 
Broad was never a bad bowler,even after those six sixes people barely remember he was the targetted bowler.

Odd how people think one bad over could define a career.

He had a bit of trouble early on because he was told to be the 'enforcer' - to bowl short and rough batsmen up, like Flintoff. But he didn't have enough pace for that.

Then he decided to try to be McGrath instead - bowl accurately, pitch it up, aim for the top of off-pole - and the good returns started to come.
 
Cook, KP, Anderson, Broad and Swann all five have been great performers for England over the time and are definitely country greats although none of them could really elevate themselves to ATG of the era.

Now Joe Root and to some extent Stokes are going great and can become future ATGs if they could maintain their performance for a longer run.
 
How long until time catches up with Jimmy Anderson and Stuart Broad?
England’s record-breaking, unbreakable new-ball partnership has held firm for 10 years at the top but they will be under the microscope in New Zealand


Exactly 10 years ago to the day England started a Test match in New Zealand with what was to prove a lasting and very successful change in personnel. The second Test in Wellington was seen as crucial for England and their captain, Michael Vaughan, coming as it did after seven without a victory and with the team facing the prospect of a series defeat with a game to spare, and some personnel changes were inevitable.

Though the batsmen had been misfiring – being bowled out for 81 and 110 in successive Tests – it was the bowlers who took the hit, with Matthew Hoggard and Steve Harmison left out. “It was a tough call,” said Vaughan. “There was a gut instinct that we needed to make a change to give the attack a shake-up. Now I really hope that both fight to get their places back.”

Harmison, Mike Selvey wrote in the Guardian, was “contemplating the prospect of never playing for his country again”, while Hoggard “will have the opportunity to come back”. In fact it was the other way round: Hoggard never again played for England in any format while Harmison would remain involved for another year or so, playing his last Test the following summer at the age of 30.

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Back in Wellington, Vaughan talked up the two bowlers who, as a result of the change in lineup, would be playing together for the first time: James Anderson and, in his second Test, 21-year-old Stuart Broad. “It’s exciting times,” he said. “It feels like a new era and it’s a great opportunity for them.”

Anderson took seven wickets in that Test and Broad three (Ryan Sidebottom got a five-for in New Zealand’s second innings to finish with six for the match), as England went on to take the series. They were the first nine scalps in a running tally which now stands, counting only those wickets taken in games both have played, at 774. During the recent Ashes series, in which there was very little for English bowlers to celebrate, they overtook Curtly Ambrose and Courtney Walsh (762) to become the most successful new-ball partnership in Test history. If it felt to Vaughan then like a new era, that is certainly what it has become: as of the third Ashes Test in Perth – their 100th – the pair have been picked together in more than 10% of all England Tests ever.

But in New Zealand this year, as in 2008, they – and Broad in particular – start with something to prove. Over the last 19 months and 16 Tests the 31-year-old’s bowling average, 28.52 before August 2016, has swollen to 29.33 with an average over the past 18 months of 36.43, and his strike rate has risen from 56.7 to 78.1 (in the same period Anderson, remarkably, has improved: his average has gone from 28.26 to 20.61, and his strike rate from 56.9 to 53.9).

It is a challenge Broad is determined to face head, or rather side, on. Since the Ashes he has attempted to remodel his action, “working to get more side on, [with] more twist in my shoulders to get my front arm more towards the target, helping my feet align much better”. He has publicly stated his desire to play in the 2019 Ashes, but his place may be dependent on the results of his labour.

“I have seen Stuart doing a lot of work on his action recently so it is good to see he is still hungry and trying to keep [up with] these other guys,” Anderson says. The pair have worked – and talked – together extensively since the end of the Ashes. “We’ve chatted quite a bit,” he says. “From his point of view he had to go away and work on his action. That was good for him. It is good if you are focused on one thing. It takes you away from the world. We chatted, and I think the conclusion we came to is we are both really hungry to keep playing and have the drive to keep improving. We still think we have something to offer this team. We are performing well and trying to help the team moving forward, and help the other bowlers, to try and make the transition for them coming into the team as easy as possible.”

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The identities of their eventual replacements is the long white cloud hanging over England as they seek a first Test win outside their own country since they beat Bangladesh by 22 runs in Chittagong 17 months and 11 attempts ago. The question is becoming increasingly urgent, explaining why a team that in 2011 and 2012 did not try a single new seamer has given debuts to five of them in the last three years and is preparing for further experimentation. Of those recently given opportunities Craig Overton probably looks the most likely to succeed, but the search has most certainly not ended.

Chris Silverwood, who has recently started work as fast bowling coach, has suggested that Sussex’s George Garton, who was involved with England Lions over the winter but has recently been sidelined by injury, and Somerset’s Jamie Overton, Craig’s younger twin, might soon get a chance. Over the last few months Overton Junior has spent time in South Africa and Spain as part of the ECB’s Pace Programme, in which he has worked with the injury-plagued Reece Topley, who has chosen to focus on white-ball cricket, Josh Tongue and George Scrimshaw of Worcestershire, Essex’s Paul Walter, Tom Barber of Middlesex and Leicestershire’s Zak Chappell.

“I think there are guys putting pressure on us,” says Anderson. “Mark Wood being fit is a huge plus. I think all the guys who played in Australia did themselves proud on difficult pitches. It is really hard going into an Ashes series, never mind on the pitches we played on, but I thought Craig Overton and Tom Curran lifted their performances. Chris Woakes can be someone Joe Root leans on. There are guys there keeping us on our toes.”

A decade after Hoggard and Harmison got the boot in Wellington, Broad and Anderson are fighting hard to delay the moment they meet the same fate. England’s selectors, needing as much time as possible to identify and nurture their replacements, will be roaring them on.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...rson-stuart-broad-england-new-zealand-cricket
 
<B>Steyn vs Philander vs Harris vs Johnson vs Broad vs Anderson </B>

Rank them?
 
Anderson is a borderline ATG while Broad is a rung below him i.e. an England great.
 
Given that they play half their games at home I don't think England mind all that much.

Which makes it all the more important to grab an opportunity with both hands when bowling elsewhere. There will always be question marks on these two and their ability outside ENG.
 
Theres not many better sights in world cricket than Anderson bowling at home with a bit of cloud and a cheering crowd.

Forget the debate about ATG for a minute and appreciate how delightful it is to watch.
 
Theres not many better sights in world cricket than Anderson bowling at home with a bit of cloud and a cheering crowd.

Forget the debate about ATG for a minute and appreciate how delightful it is to watch.

Yeah I will surely miss that "poetry in motion" bowling action with that grumpy expression once anderson retires.
 
Even if there are clouds/conditions present; one still requires skills and bowling IQ to get wickets :jimmy

Fast bowling of top quality is what makes cricket watchable; at least for me.

At this rate both of them might get near 1000 test wickets.

Damn.
 
Had Anderson, instead of Broad got Kohli out, it would have been 564th wicket for Anderson, making him the leading test wicket taker among fast bowlers and getting Kohli as that man would have surely been icing on cake for Jimmy.
 
Will they get to bowl together in a test match again?

Hope so but at Anderson’s age he’s only one serious injury away from retirement.
 
Great players such longevity at this level is no joke a role model for young bowlers you only remember Test cricket performance or the WCs amazing records
 
Broad is certainly an England great IMO. Anderson a borderline ATG.
 
In my opinion, Anderson is one of the great test bowlers of all time.
 
anderson has become one of the greats in tests over the past 5 years.

before there was a big claim of him just being good in england, but

he has aged like fine wine.
 
Broad really needs to stop cele-appealing.

Ends up looking like a proper muppet half the time.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">England's leading Test wicket-taker James Anderson will play no further part in the Ashes against Australia after suffering a recurrence of a calf injury.<br><br>More: <a href="https://t.co/DxN6etuHMj">https://t.co/DxN6etuHMj</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZWjFa2rYvl">pic.twitter.com/ZWjFa2rYvl</a></p>— BBC Sport (@BBCSport) <a href="https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/1167423592017158144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I would stop the count as I think Anderson is finished.
 
I would stop the count as I think Anderson is finished.

Hmmm, I think after the home summer he will finally retire and hopefully some day pro in the lancashire league for Burnley cc, now that will be icing on the cake
 
I would stop the count as I think Anderson is finished.

Give Jimmy a couple of home series so that he gets to 600 wickets and then calls it a day. What a legend really- 600 wickets!!! It's equivalent to 15000 test runs.
 
Give Jimmy a couple of home series so that he gets to 600 wickets and then calls it a day. What a legend really- 600 wickets!!! It's equivalent to 15000 test runs.

I don’t think he will get through a series. I don’t think he can get through a test match.
 
i would just keep jimmy in the squad in the hope that he can play a test or two a series, jst having him around would be beneficial for younger bowlers.

im not one for stats, but he deserves to get to 600 if thats important to him, realistically he needs to play 4 or 5 tests, at the most, which he pbly can manage with the right fitness program for a year.
 
No point in taking Anderson to Sri Lanka - we can play Broad and Wood (our two best bowlers) as the seamers; meanwhile we will likely go with two spinners in Leach and Bess; with Stokes as third seamer and Root as backup spinner. And with Archer also banging on the door, Anderson struggles to get into that team in those conditions on merit, even if he is actually fit.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Anderson back in the side this summer - I think he deserves one final shot before retirement at taking his 600th Test wicket in front of a home crowd - not every England fan will agree with me on this though.
 
i would just keep jimmy in the squad in the hope that he can play a test or two a series, jst having him around would be beneficial for younger bowlers.

im not one for stats, but he deserves to get to 600 if thats important to him, realistically he needs to play 4 or 5 tests, at the most, which he pbly can manage with the right fitness program for a year.

This seems to be an Indian attitude - playing for milestones, like Kapil being picked to break the wicket record and Tendulkar picked to get his 100th hundred, long after they had stopped performing at test standard. Compare with Australia who dropped Healy on 397 dismissals to bring on Gilchrist.

Anderson’s day is done. Bring on the youngsters, no place-blocking please.
 
How far can Broad go in test cricket?

600 wickets??

He has possibly three years left. Forty wickets a year would take him to 600. 575 might be more realistic with niggling injuries piling up and youngsters chasing his place.
 
He has possibly three years left. Forty wickets a year would take him to 600. 575 might be more realistic with niggling injuries piling up and youngsters chasing his place.

Think he will have a downfall in form or will turn old somewhere when he gets close to 550 wickets. But a 500+ is given now.
 
This seems to be an Indian attitude - playing for milestones, like Kapil being picked to break the wicket record and Tendulkar picked to get his 100th hundred, long after they had stopped performing at test standard. Compare with Australia who dropped Healy on 397 dismissals to bring on Gilchrist.

so england's best quick over the last two years doesn't deserve a place in the xi on merit? course he does, if hes fit hes the first name in the bowling xi in England every day of the week.

gilchrist was a significantly superior all round cricketer to healy, competing for one spot in the xi, its a strange comparison.

my point which you seem to have missed is that if fit, he deserves a place on merit for 4 or 5 tests which should allow him to get 600 test wickets... if.... that is what he wants.
 
England pace bowlers James Anderson and Stuart Broad have set their sights on a final Ashes series in Australia before they consider retirement.

Anderson and Broad are first and second respectively in England’s list of all-time Test wicket-takers, but both are entering the twilight of their careers.

Anderson is 37 and has endured a series of injury problems over the last 12 months.

Although Broad is four years younger than Anderson, he believes his career will not last as long as his fellow paceman.

With the end in sight, both are eager to keep their England places long enough for a memorable farewell Ashes series in Australia in 2021/22.

When asked by Anderson for his retirement plans during an Instagram Live Q&A, Broad said: “I don’t think I could go until your age. Your action’s so smooth, it looks a lot calmer on your body whereas mine is a little more forceful through my body I think.

“I’d never want to get to that place where I’m bowling against a 19-year-old and they’re going, ‘I thought someone said he used to be a good bowler’ I’d hate that. I’d prefer to go that little bit earlier than that little bit later.

“But I’m loving the environment at the minute. I love playing for England.

“I still have huge motivation to keep playing and you just assess that year by year. And we’ve got that carrot dangling over us of Australia in Australia which looks like an achievable carrot to grab.” Australia are the current Ashes holders after they retained the urn following the drawn series in England last year.

The last time either side won an Ashes series away from home was when England triumphed 3-1 in Australia in 2010/11.

Anderson sees no reason why he should not feature when England next meet their old rivals, as long as he maintains his high standards.

“The big thing is standards. If your standards feel like they’re dropping then yeah you might consider finishing,” he said.

“But as long as my standards stay high, my fitness levels stay good and my skills stay where I want them to be and my speed stays pretty good which they have been (I’ll keep playing).

“We’ve got an exciting team and a few young guys who are just starting out on their journey, we’ve got some more established guys and we’ve got two guys who have been around a long time.”

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...e-ashes-against-australia/article31417808.ece
 
They weren't extraordinary but very disciplined. Their discipline was the recipe behind their success.
 
so england's best quick over the last two years doesn't deserve a place in the xi on merit? course he does, if hes fit hes the first name in the bowling xi in England every day of the week.

gilchrist was a significantly superior all round cricketer to healy, competing for one spot in the xi, its a strange comparison.

my point which you seem to have missed is that if fit, he deserves a place on merit for 4 or 5 tests which should allow him to get 600 test wickets... if.... that is what he wants.

Anderson is over. Let’s move forward. He’s not going to be effective in Australia if he even gets there, so bring a youngster on.
 
so england's best quick over the last two years doesn't deserve a place in the xi on merit? course he does, if hes fit hes the first name in the bowling xi in England every day of the week.

gilchrist was a significantly superior all round cricketer to healy, competing for one spot in the xi, its a strange comparison.

my point which you seem to have missed is that if fit, he deserves a place on merit for 4 or 5 tests which should allow him to get 600 test wickets... if.... that is what he wants.

The point is if fit Which he hasnt been over the last 12-18 months

With no cricket this summer and at his age theres no point dragging him out half fit or to break down again

England dont play for stats or milestones Anderson does not have automatic selection No player does no matter how good he is in the past Only the present matters

Anderson doesnt look like hes going to go willingly so will have to be pushed His career is over
 
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Anderson will play a couple of home series, get to 600 wickets and then retire.

Broad will probably end up as third highest wicket taker among fast bowlers.
 
Hand on heart, I don't expect Anderson to be fit enough to play test cricket again. He's been desperately fighting against nature for a year or so, but keeps breaking down.
 
James Anderson: England bowler hopes to 'play many more games' with Stuart Broad

James Anderson believes he and Stuart Broad remain part of England's strongest bowling attack.

The pair, who have 1,078 Test wickets between them, have not played in the same team in the first two Tests against West Indies.

Broad, 34, was left out of the team for the first Test while Anderson, 37, was rested for the second.

"If we're both fit and England are picking their strongest bowling attack, we'd both be in that," said Anderson.

"It's going to be difficult going forward, I don't think we'll play every game together but I love to think we've got plenty more games together in the future."

Last summer, former England captain Michael Vaughan suggested the pair should no longer play in the same team as England build towards next winter's Ashes series, when extra pace from the likes of Jofra Archer, Mark Wood and Olly Stone is expected to be crucial.

However, with England head coach Chris Silverwood saying he will pick his strongest bowling attack for the series decider against West Indies which starts on Friday - rather than thinking about rest and rotation - Anderson believes that should include both him and Broad.

Asked if the days of Anderson and Broad being part of the same team were gone, the former said: "I really hope not. Our record together speaks for itself.

"There will be moments in the future where we're not bowling together, which has happened in this series already and happened in the last two years naturally through injury or resting.

"But all me and Stuart can do is keep working hard and keep taking wickets, as Stuart did this week."

Anderson played in England's opening Test of the summer, a four-wicket loss at Southampton's Ageas Bowl, but was then rested for Monday's 113-run win at Emirates Old Trafford in Manchester.

He turns 38 later this month but already has his eye on the 2021 Ashes tour next winter.

"Looking at the bigger picture, I do want to be around when we go to Australia," he said.

"To be able to do that I probably have to do things slightly differently and it might mean missing the odd game here and there to make sure I'm in the best possible situation.

"I want to keep bowling and keep my form but also look after my body as much as I can."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/53501043
 
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