"The India-Pakistan cricket issue is quite complicated" : Dave Richardson (ICC CEO)

[UN talkz]

NEW DELHI: The ongoing tussle between Indian cricket board (BCCI) and Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) with regards to bilateral series has drawn the reaction from ICC CEO Dave Richardson, who said the issue is quite complicated.

Addressing the press conference after the conclusion of the five-day ICC meeting in Kolkata, Richardson said: "There is a common desire that it will be great if India and Pakistan can play each other, specifically in bilateral series. The issue is quite complicated I am afraid. It is going to take a lot than just two boards agreeing."

Pakistani cricket authorities claim that their Indian counterparts have violated a 2014 memorandum of understanding under which the two were to play six bilateral series between 2015 and 2023.

The PCB is seeking $70 million in compensation as a dispute resolution panel of the ICC will hear the claim in October.

"It's a statement of intent and not a contract. I don't blame them for sticking to the letter. But it is not a contract," BCCI acting secretary Amitabh Choudhary said.

"They have their own pressure at home which I understand," he said indicating to a letter dated April 9, 2014 written by the erstwhile secretary Sanjay Patel to PCB chairman Najam Sethi.

According to the letter, BCCI and PCB agree that the senior men's cricket teams of India and Pakistan will play each other but the letter will have "no effect" if the resolutions are not passed at the ICC Annual Conference in June 2014.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-richardson/articleshow/63925847.cms?from=mdr

 

[barah_admi]

How can it be complicated? It is either one thing or the other. This is the ICC trying to screw the PCB out of the correct decision. The PCB should have taken them to a court anyway.

 

[MenInG]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...hampionship/story-ebAfeXc5VAfQtq4PFkJewK.html

India and Pakistan will not play each other in the first cycle of the World Test Championship beginning in 2019, David Richardson, chief executive officer of the International Cricket Council (ICC), said.

“With the case of India and Pakistan, we have been a little bit pragmatic. It has been decided that they will not play each other in the first two-year cycle,” said Richardson, at a media conference after a series of ICC meetings that began here on Sunday and ended on Thursday.

The world Test league will comprise fthree-Test series, home and away with each team playing six teams, said Richardson. It has been decided that six series, three each home and away, for each team will comprise the competition, he said.

“It was difficult in the case of the Tests league in particular. While you have a situation of teams wanting to play five-Test series, trying to fit everyone playing everyone in a two-year period is not that easy. Consideration was given to extending it to three years but maintaining interest then becomes difficult,” said Richardson, explaining how the format was arrived at.

“The devil, as they say, lies in the details and there were fears as to which fixtures would comprise the competition. All those fears have been put to rest. The fixtures will be out soon,” he said.

Bilateral series between India and Pakistan have been put on hold because of relations between the countries; something that Richardson said was out of the area of influence of the ICC. His comment sounded similar to what Fifa president Gianni Infantino had said here last October after chairing a council meeting while commenting on the Israel-Palestine situation.

“Football cannot solve it. It is a situation of exceptional complexity and cannot be ignored, but it cannot be changed by a non-governmental body,” Infantino had said while explaining why Fifa decided against imposing sanctions on football associations of either country.

The new Future Tours Programme (FTP), therefore, is unlikely to accommodate series between the countries. Pakistan have taken the matter of not playing India, apart from ICC competitions, to the dispute resolution committee of the ICC claiming a breach in contract. The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) have claimed $70m in damages from India. It is something that the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) is contending.

“I think there is certainly a common desire…. it would be great if India and Pakistan play each other apart from ICC events and specifically in bilateral series but, unfortunately it is an issue that is beyond our area of influence. Even the BCCI, I am sure, cannot simply decide themselves whether a series should be played and similarly in Pakistan. So it is more complicated than that. We will not let up in our efforts but it is going to take a lot more than two boards agreeing,” said Richardson.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How can it be complicated? It is either one thing or the other. This is the ICC trying to screw the PCB out of the correct decision. The PCB should have taken them to a court anyway.

Which court?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

"There is a common desire that it will be great if India and Pakistan can play each other, specifically in bilateral series."

Don't know where he got that idea from, it couldn't be further from the truth. India does not wish to play Pakistan and their supporters will confirm that in their replies to this thread.

 

[dragon751]

Don't know where he got that idea from, it couldn't be further from the truth. India does not wish to play Pakistan and their supporters will confirm that in their replies to this thread.

Agree, a bit delusional from Mr sethi in my opinion

 

[www787]

How is India isolating Pakistan.Do you even know meaning of isolation.Isolation is what SA had to endure in 1970s and 80s.

Pakistan is free to play any country or invite any team which is willing to play them. It is just India does not want to play any bilateral series.

Mr.Sethi has fooled many people in thinking this dispute committee has any authority to decide what is good for India.

noun
the process or fact of isolating or being isolated.
"the isolation of older people"
an instance of isolating something, especially a compound or microorganism.
plural noun: isolations
denoting a hospital or ward for patients with contagious or infectious diseases.
modifier noun: isolation

 

[WengerOut]

noun
the process or fact of isolating or being isolated.
"the isolation of older people"
an instance of isolating something, especially a compound or microorganism.
plural noun: isolations
denoting a hospital or ward for patients with contagious or infectious diseases.
modifier noun: isolation

So you dint know as indicated by this excerpt from the Thesaurus

 

[www787]

Has any political party in India supported resumption of Indo Pak series?

Its better to move on. Indo Pak series is not happening.

It isn't happening, I am totally aware of it. And, Not criticizing BCCI for not playing against Pakistan, they are within their right. I am more upset with PCB on this issue. PCB will survive, Pakistan will continue to produce talent that can be in top 5, and Pakistan cricket will come back to Pakistan, just need to show little patience.

I just gave my opinion as to why it isn't complicated but made out to be complicated by the government of India because that is the only leverage they have to look competent against Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It isn't happening, I am totally aware of it. And, Not criticizing BCCI for not playing against Pakistan, they are within their right. I am more upset with PCB on this issue. PCB will survive, Pakistan will continue to produce talent that can be in top 5, and Pakistan cricket will come back to Pakistan, just need to show little patience.

I just gave my opinion as to why it isn't complicated but made out to be complicated by the government of India because that is the only leverage they have to look competent against Pakistan.

Why India needs leverage via cricket? If anything is done on the border its replied to by the forces on the border. We are building dams on the rivers. Pakistan's cost of maintaining deterrence with India is rising as India keeps hiking defence spending.

Status Quo is maintained and thats what India wants. Pakistan cannot change that.

Its only logical that India doesnot want money to be flowing from India to Pakistan.

 

[www787]

Why India needs leverage via cricket? If anything is done on the border its replied to by the forces on the border. We are building dams on the rivers. Pakistan's cost of maintaining deterrence with India is rising as India keeps hiking defence spending.

Status Quo is maintained and thats what India wants. Pakistan cannot change that.

Its only logical that India doesnot want money to be flowing from India to Pakistan.

you have answered your own question.

 

[jadaja]

noun
the process or fact of isolating or being isolated.
"the isolation of older people"
an instance of isolating something, especially a compound or microorganism.
plural noun: isolations
denoting a hospital or ward for patients with contagious or infectious diseases.
modifier noun: isolation

read the meaning you posted one more time and try to understand what it actually means.

 

[www787]

read the meaning you posted one more time and try to understand what it actually means.

Read my initial comment slowly and try to understand what i have written. The word, illusion is written in it too.

here is the definition of illusion:

a thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses.

and your comment made no sense, and no way, I will try to comprehend your comment, not that important.

 

[jadaja]

Read my initial comment slowly and try to understand what i have written. The word, illusion is written in it too.

here is the definition of illusion:

a thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses.

and your comment made no sense, and no way, I will try to comprehend your comment, not that important.

There is no illusion needed here by either GOI or BCCI, they just don't want to play Pakistan until they feel they are ready to play.I hope you understand BCCI or GOI is not answerable to PCB or Pakistan.

So there are no games being played they just don't want to play right now and they will decide when and where to play.


BCCI never stopped PCB to do anything, PCB is free to play in any country or host anyone nor it is stopping PCB to make billions of dollars from their PSL.

 

[www787]

There is no illusion needed here by either GOI or BCCI, they just don't want to play Pakistan until they feel they are ready to play.I hope you understand BCCI or GOI is not answerable to PCB or Pakistan.

So there are no games being played they just don't want to play right now and they will decide when and where to play.


BCCI never stopped PCB to do anything, PCB is free to play in any country or host anyone nor it is stopping PCB to make billions of dollars from their PSL.

you keep repeating the obvious which is known by every person here.

 

[jadaja]

you keep repeating the obvious which is known by every person here.

So why is Pakistan or PCB and its fans feel they have a case and keep using words MOU /your words "Isolation" and "Illusion".

Nobody is stopping PCB from doing anything.Even to clap you need two hands why is PCB hell bent clapping with just one hand.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I think PCB is doing the right thing:

1. Holding the higher moral ground in cricketing matters (one can always debate India-Pakistan broader political relations and take sides.)
2. Keeping the pressure on ICC/BCCI - even if they don't get India series, they may get compensations here and there in other forms - more series, events in UAE vs India, share of revenues on events etc.
3. All the while, getting more self sufficient on own finances through PSL, better series negotiations etc.

The only thing Najam Sethi has to be careful about is not to appear like Pakistan is dependent on Indian largesse - which frankly it isn't.

No one is going to die or be weaker if the two countries don't play each other - not even cricket itself. Plenty of Micky Mouse formats to go around to make money with. I just thought of a new one - 50 ball cricket!

 

[www787]

So why is Pakistan or PCB and its fans feel they have a case and keep using words MOU /your words "Isolation" and "Illusion".

Nobody is stopping PCB from doing anything.Even to clap you need two hands why is PCB hell bent clapping with just one hand.

I do not understand anything you have said.

What does clapping analogy has to do with this?

And if you said no one is stopping PCB from doing anything then why does it bother you when they take up this issue with ICC or court?

 

[jadaja]

I do not understand anything you have said.

What does clapping analogy has to do with this?

And if you said no one is stopping PCB from doing anything then why does it bother you when they take up this issue with ICC or court?

To clap you need both hands, to play bilateral series you needs two sides.

It is not bothering me at all what PCB is doing, PCB is entitled to do whatever it wants , same thing applies to BCCI.

You are arguing for PCB, I am arguing for BCCI that's all ,it is annoying to see PCB bring this up every six months.

 

[www787]

To clap you need both hands, to play bilateral series you needs two sides.

It is not bothering me at all what PCB is doing, PCB is entitled to do whatever it wants , same thing applies to BCCI.

You are arguing for PCB, I am arguing for BCCI that's all ,it is annoying to see PCB bring this up every six months.

I’m not arguing for PCB. Matter of fact I am against PCB for insisting on playing against India.

I am criticizing BCCI for giving immature and childish excuse instead of “man up” to say out right we refuse to play against Pakistan, and criticizing ultra nationalists who believes in this stance of government of India to please ultra nationalists. Also criticizing government of India for creating an illusion of selective isolation of Pakistan among ultra nationalists Indian citizens.

 

[pratiktc]

Look, reality is that with the current political dispensation in India, we are not going to play bilateral cricket with Pakistan period. The logic or morality of such decisions can be debated till kingdom come, but fact is ki BJP will not allow it no matter what third party/court/agency verdict is returned on the same.

And while not playing bilateral is a notional loss for both India and Pakistan boards, obviously it is a harder hit for Pakistan. Thus it seems only fair that they seek compensation. The best result Pak can get out of this is financial reparation.

As a cricket fan, I find it incredibly sad that every board in the world (including India) and the ICC is not doing everything in their power to empower Pakistan during their isolation phase. We are already essentially a sport with just 6-7 competitive countries. We can scarcely afford another West Indies like decline.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Look, reality is that with the current political dispensation in India, we are not going to play bilateral cricket with Pakistan period. The logic or morality of such decisions can be debated till kingdom come, but fact is ki BJP will not allow it no matter what third party/court/agency verdict is returned on the same.

And while not playing bilateral is a notional loss for both India and Pakistan boards, obviously it is a harder hit for Pakistan. Thus it seems only fair that they seek compensation. The best result Pak can get out of this is financial reparation.

As a cricket fan, I find it incredibly sad that every board in the world (including India) and the ICC is not doing everything in their power to empower Pakistan during their isolation phase. We are already essentially a sport with just 6-7 competitive countries. We can scarcely afford another West Indies like decline.

I wouldn't worry about Pakistan cricket declining let alone anywhere near Windies. Cricket is still huge in Pakistan, millions play it daily and many more watch it religiously. Pakistan has the PSL which has huge audiences so the interest remains even without big teams not touring Pakistan.

For the fans it doesn't matter much if Pak dont play India, for the board it does as administrators it's their job to bring in revenue, they would do the same with any other board.

 

[Savak]

Nah just keep taking the fight to the BCCI and annoy the hell out of them via the ICC, courts.

 

[PakLFC]

I have no problem if we never play India again, ever. Many things are much more important then Cricket and showbiz as well. Only immature fans on both sides are interested in playing Cricket when bullet's are flying overhead. There are plenty other teams Pak will be playing in the near future. Forget playing India for the next ten years at least.

 

[GrandMaster]

Nah just keep taking the fight to the BCCI and annoy the hell out of them via the ICC, courts.

We can see only "one board" being annoyed, the other one is not paying any heed.

 

[daytrader]

To clap you need both hands, to play bilateral series you needs two sides.

It is not bothering me at all what PCB is doing, PCB is entitled to do whatever it wants , same thing applies to BCCI.

You are arguing for PCB, I am arguing for BCCI that's all ,it is annoying to see PCB bring this up every six months.

like it or not, we'll continue to bring this up till your board pays up bud

 

[daytrader]

We can see only "one board" being annoyed, the other one is not paying any heed.

maybe your board isn't annoyed but Indian posters here do seem to be #triggered

 

[Peshwa]

maybe your board isn't annoyed but Indian posters here do seem to be #triggered

Having a debate on any topic dosent mean all are triggered...

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nah just keep taking the fight to the BCCI and annoy the hell out of them via the ICC, courts.

Which courts?

 

[Pakistanian]

The ICC is rigged. PCB should take them and the BCCI to the world court of arbitration in sport.

 

[Balthazar]

So do people still think that BCCI will just hand over the money or better yet, ICC will penalize BCCI for not playing with Pakistan? The world actually don't care if these two countries are not playing Cricket.

 

[USofA]

How can it be complicated? It is either one thing or the other. This is the ICC trying to screw the PCB out of the correct decision. The PCB should have taken them to a court anyway.

The PCB still can. Because, though the ICC ruling will be final, there is no directive on how the ruling will be enforced. So in the event the ruling is against the PCB, I think nothing can stop the PCB from pursuing the legal route.

Same goes for the BCCI in whatever they want to do.

 

[USofA]

like it or not, we'll continue to bring this up till your board pays up bud

Well, yes and no. Which makes it very interesting. The ruling in October is going to be final. So the PCB cannot bring this up to ICC in the event of an unfavorable decision. But then again who and how can anyone stop the PCB from pursuing legal recourse.

Which court though is the big question. If there is a court at all that can take this and enforce it's ruling.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The ICC is rigged. PCB should take them and the BCCI to the world court of arbitration in sport.

You do realise that BCCI is not a signatory to the Court of Arbitration for sports. So pcb cant do that.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The PCB still can. Because, though the ICC ruling will be final, there is no directive on how the ruling will be enforced. So in the event the ruling is against the PCB, I think nothing can stop the PCB from pursuing the legal route.

Same goes for the BCCI in whatever they want to do.

But which court?

 

[USofA]

But which court?

I agree. I don't think any court has jurisdiction. I believe that the legal route is a non starter.

 

[USofA]

You do realise that BCCI is not a signatory to the Court of Arbitration for sports. So pcb cant do that.

I was just going to ask the question whether the BCCI is a signatory. Also, I think the court of arbitration for sport does not get involved when government issues are in play. Which is the case here.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Look, reality is that with the current political dispensation in India, we are not going to play bilateral cricket with Pakistan period. The logic or morality of such decisions can be debated till kingdom come, but fact is ki BJP will not allow it no matter what third party/court/agency verdict is returned on the same.

And while not playing bilateral is a notional loss for both India and Pakistan boards, obviously it is a harder hit for Pakistan. Thus it seems only fair that they seek compensation. The best result Pak can get out of this is financial reparation.

As a cricket fan, I find it incredibly sad that every board in the world (including India) and the ICC is not doing everything in their power to empower Pakistan during their isolation phase. We are already essentially a sport with just 6-7 competitive countries. We can scarcely afford another West Indies like decline.

Excellent post. Cricket isn't like football where one major country's isolation would not make much difference, when you only have a handful of major teams then the loss of one is keenly felt. Not to mention the rivalry aspect. Can you imagine England and Australia sabotaging the Ashes?

 

[Pakistanian]

You do realise that BCCI is not a signatory to the Court of Arbitration for sports. So pcb cant do that.

Makes them even sketchier

 

[jadaja]

I’m not arguing for PCB. Matter of fact I am against PCB for insisting on playing against India.

I am criticizing BCCI for giving immature and childish excuse instead of “man up” to say out right we refuse to play against Pakistan, and criticizing ultra nationalists who believes in this stance of government of India to please ultra nationalists. Also criticizing government of India for creating an illusion of selective isolation of Pakistan among ultra nationalists Indian citizens.

You and anyone who is thinking from your point of view are not understanding one small point, why should BCCI come out and say we don't want to play Pakistan for ever.

BCCI and GOI along with many of fans like me do want to play Pakistan but when situation is right.PCB is only after the money the tour generates it could care less about bilateral relationship between two countries at least that is the feeling I get from reading and hearing from PCB.If I am getting that vibe from PCB don't you think BCCI/GOI gets it.

Rivalry on the field is nice but off the field situations need to improve a lot.It take lot of efforts from both sides to repair the relationship.

 

[USofA]

I hope the PCB have learnt something form this whole saga. Specifically about broadcasting deals. I hope they will be smart enough to negotiate better when the deal is up for renewal in a couple of years.

They should in fact turn back to the BCCI and look at how their deal is setup and do the same. Which essentially means the PCB should get same $$ per game no matter who they are playing. This will ensure that the $$ keeps flowing through the year and also makes sure that all eggs are not in one basket.

 

[jadaja]

I hope the PCB have learnt something form this whole saga. Specifically about broadcasting deals. I hope they will be smart enough to negotiate better when the deal is up for renewal in a couple of years.

They should in fact turn back to the BCCI and look at how their deal is setup and do the same. Which essentially means the PCB should get same $$ per game no matter who they are playing. This will ensure that the $$ keeps flowing through the year and also makes sure that all eggs are not in one basket.

It is not that simple except any Indian series and Ashes.No other series is valued high therefore will not fetch the same amount.

 

[mankuTimma]

Excellent post. Cricket isn't like football where one major country's isolation would not make much difference, when you only have a handful of major teams then the loss of one is keenly felt. Not to mention the rivalry aspect. Can you imagine England and Australia sabotaging the Ashes?

Actually international cricket going down will improve chances of getting IPL 7-8 months like EPL.

 

[mankuTimma]

Look, reality is that with the current political dispensation in India, we are not going to play bilateral cricket with Pakistan period. The logic or morality of such decisions can be debated till kingdom come, but fact is ki BJP will not allow it no matter what third party/court/agency verdict is returned on the same.

And while not playing bilateral is a notional loss for both India and Pakistan boards, obviously it is a harder hit for Pakistan. Thus it seems only fair that they seek compensation. The best result Pak can get out of this is financial reparation.

As a cricket fan, I find it incredibly sad that every board in the world (including India) and the ICC is not doing everything in their power to empower Pakistan during their isolation phase. We are already essentially a sport with just 6-7 competitive countries. We can scarcely afford another West Indies like decline.

What about Zimbabwe?Afgan? Even Bangla we don’t your them much shouldn’t we compensate them as well??

 

[mankuTimma]

I wouldn't worry about Pakistan cricket declining let alone anywhere near Windies. Cricket is still huge in Pakistan, millions play it daily and many more watch it religiously. Pakistan has the PSL which has huge audiences so the interest remains even without big teams not touring Pakistan.

For the fans it doesn't matter much if Pak dont play India, for the board it does as administrators it's their job to bring in revenue, they would do the same with any other board.

If PSL bring so much revenue why bother with bilateral series with one country.BCCI doesn’t seem affected financially by not playing Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Actually international cricket going down will improve chances of getting IPL 7-8 months like EPL.

Yeah that will be a great day when IPL replaces the Ashes and rest of international cricket. What a result for BCCI and Indian cricket fans.

 

[UN talkz]

Guys politics can be discussed in TPS, lots of ind vs pak threads there

 

[jadaja]

like it or not, we'll continue to bring this up till your board pays up bud

Dreaming is free so keep dreaming.

 

[jadaja]

Yeah that will be a great day when IPL replaces the Ashes and rest of international cricket. What a result for BCCI and Indian cricket fans.

That day will be last day I will follow cricket. If IPL replaces international cricket cricket will die.

 

[CanadianG00se]

That day will be last day I will follow cricket. If IPL replaces international cricket cricket will die.

On the contrary i think that would mark the begining of new era. IPL will expand 6-7 months a year like MLB and remaining months for preseason or intl cricket. Whether you give up cricket or not, will have no effect on Ipl. There will be many million new fans that IPL will bring in.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If PSL bring so much revenue why bother with bilateral series with one country.BCCI doesn’t seem affected financially by not playing Pakistan.

I personally dont care but a lot of Pak fans have enjoyed Pakistan beating Indian in bilateral series over the years. The last time we played India was in India and we won 3-0, well to be accurate thrashed them 3-0. No wonder they dont want to play again.

 

[Adijazz1706]

I personally dont care but a lot of Pak fans have enjoyed Pakistan beating Indian in bilateral series over the years. The last time we played India was in India and we won 3-0, well to be accurate thrashed them 3-0. No wonder they dont want to play again.

It was 2-1 with India winning the dead rubber like in SA Tests recently

 

[WengerOut]

I personally dont care but a lot of Pak fans have enjoyed Pakistan beating Indian in bilateral series over the years. The last time we played India was in India and we won 3-0, well to be accurate thrashed them 3-0. No wonder they dont want to play again.

3-0 ?? When ? And I can't seem to remember the score line of ODI series in Pakistan

 

[CanadianG00se]

I personally dont care but a lot of Pak fans have enjoyed Pakistan beating Indian in bilateral series over the years. The last time we played India was in India and we won 3-0, well to be accurate thrashed them 3-0. No wonder they dont want to play again.

Well at least get your facts right