The Indian top 5 makes me envious

[Mamoon]

Have had a really good look at the Indian top 5 after a long time and after watching the whole play today, I have to say they make me feel envious.

Vijay
Rahul
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane

Simply incredible top 5, and except for Vijay (who has 4-5 years too), all of them have their best years ahead of them and can play for another 10 years.

Almost perfect combo of technique, temperament, talent and style.

Other teams have great batsmen but no one has a batting unit like India. England with Cook, Root and Bairstow runs them close, but they need one or two top class batsmen to complement the trio.

Rest of the batting units are well below India's.

The fab four or five of the 2000 era have been replaced way too quickly. It is the result of a professional domestic setup and competent coaching.

Well done India.

 

[Dios]

Pujara and Rahane are pure class. Kohli too is joining the party in Tests. They need their openers to be a bit more consistent. I wasn't sure if they'd be able to successfully replace a line-up that consisted of Gambhir, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman but the new generation is establishing themselves well. I think even Rohit can be as good as Ganguly or even better in Tests. India will always be a top batting side.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yeah, very compact and solid top 5..

Pujara, Kohli and Rahane- a very solid middle order..

Rahul and Vijay are good openers too.

 

[Hasan123]

It's a very good batting line up. Will do well overseas and at home.

 

[jusarrived]

They are nowhere close to their best , should hit full throttle in next 12 months . its time they start scoring those daddy hundreds , Virat seems to be getting these though .

 

[Xoib]

Vijay-Good Solid player buy very rarely plays well across a series a bit like Asad Shafiq

Rahul-Lots of potential but calling him a replacement of fab 5 already is like calling Sami Aslam the next Saeed Anwar

Pujara-Beast at home away record is poor may well be a home track bully

Kohli- Unreal player only just starting to get test match batting will definetley get close to Sachin,Dravid and Gavaskar as India best ever batsmen

Rahane- I like him but for an elite Indian batsman his spin play is below pa his record is good though

Overall its a solid looking line up but too early too say they have successfully replaced the Fab 5

 

[samplepiece]

I like the fact that our top 5 are solid and also easy on the eyes (except Pujara maybe). I have very high hopes from KL Rahul and think that he is De Kock level talent. But I think there are other top 5s in international cricket that are more effective than ours even though not as pleasing to watch.

 

[Xoib]

having watched enough of them barring Rahul I don't think anyone bar Kohli can average 50 in test cricket when their career ends.

 

[OS_89]

having watched enough of them barring Rahul I don't think anyone bar Kohli can average 50 in test cricket when their career ends.

If Kohli averages 50+ and rest average approx. 45, that's still a top class lineup.

 

[Abdullah]

I will take our top 5 for all conditions right now

 

[Xoib]

If Kohli averages 50+ and rest average approx. 45, that's still a top class lineup.

I never said its not top class all I am saying Mamoon bhai is going over the top by saying they have already replaced Fab 5

 

[Xoib]

so it took home domination of a bit n pieces English spin attack for mamoon bhai to get envious especially after last game when England outbatted India.

 

[Mamoon]

so it took home domination of a bit n pieces English spin attack for mamoon bhai to get envious especially after last game when England outbatted India.

Like I said, lately I have watched them in bits only but since they are playing England and I also have tomorrow off, I had a real good look at them and I am deeply impressed.

I am not interested in the pitch. Quality batting is quality batting regardless of the conditions. They have an outstanding top 5.

 

[Xoib]

Like I said, lately I have watched them in bits only but since they are playing England and I also have tomorrow off, I had a real good look at them and I am deeply impressed.

I am not interested in the pitch. Quality batting is quality batting regardless of the conditions. They have an outstanding top 5.

so you are impressed by the whole top 5 calling them replacement of fab 5 when the bulk scoring has been done by two while openers went in space of 5 overs.

I am not disputing they are good or not they are really really good imo but its strange and over the top to call them the next fab 5 based on just todays watch.

 

[jusarrived]

having watched enough of them barring Rahul I don't think anyone bar Kohli can average 50 in test cricket when their career ends.

Rahane should do that easily .
VJ may miss out & I dont think Pujara is in the same league as other 4 .

 

[Xoib]

Rahane should do that easily .
VJ may miss out & I dont think Pujara is in the same league as other 4 .

I still have jury out on Rahane but maybe its just me his record speaks for himself I might be wrong on him

 

[Mamoon]

Vijay-Good Solid player buy very rarely plays well across a series a bit like Asad Shafiq

Rahul-Lots of potential but calling him a replacement of fab 5 already is like calling Sami Aslam the next Saeed Anwar

Pujara-Beast at home away record is poor may well be a home track bully

Kohli- Unreal player only just starting to get test match batting will definetley get close to Sachin,Dravid and Gavaskar as India best ever batsmen

Rahane- I like him but for an elite Indian batsman his spin play is below pa his record is good though

Overall its a solid looking line up but too early too say they have successfully replaced the Fab 5

The fab 4 had their issues to, apart from Sachin and Dravid. So we decide to nitpick we can dissect them as well.

Sehwag is arguably the best ever batsman in Asia, but for large parts of his career, he was a non-entity outside Asia.

Ganguly was never a top Test batsman, while Laxman was extremely clutch but he was inconsistent, and that is reflected in his statistics.

 

[Mamoon]

so you are impressed by the whole top 5 calling them replacement of fab 5 when the bulk scoring has been done by two while openers went in space of 5 overs.

I am not disputing they are good or not they are really really good imo but its strange and over the top to call them the next fab 5 based on just todays watch.

I'm not basing it on today's match or this series. They have been around for years now except Rahul, and they have performed very well.

However, I watched them closely after a while so my appreciation of their skills has enhanced.

 

[jusarrived]

I still have jury out on Rahane but maybe its just me his record speaks for himself I might be wrong on him

He has a strange issue , he does not cash in on flatter pitches and get those big hundreds which people notice . The way hes batted on tougher tracks he should have been averaging ~55 by now . Thats exact opposite of how he was before debuting for India , was averaging ~70 when the pitches in domestic where mostly spin friendly or flat .

 

[DRsohail]

indeed a world class batting unit is developing..

 

[jusarrived]

I like the fact that our top 5 are solid and also easy on the eyes (except Pujara maybe). I have very high hopes from KL Rahul and think that he is De Kock level talent. But I think there are other top 5s in international cricket that are more effective than ours even though not as pleasing to watch.

Rahul needs to settle in the team before he starts playing his game freely , not all of his fault this is his third come back into the team already . I hope they dont drop him if he has a bad game or two .

 

[Pete Rose]

They are doing well, certainly. Hyperbole notwithstanding.

 

[samplepiece]

Rahul needs to settle in the team before he starts playing his game freely , not all of his fault this is his third come back into the team already . I hope they dont drop him if he has a bad game or two .

He wasnt dropped last time but was out because of an injury. With Gambhir's test career all but over and Dhawan proving to be tried and tested failure, Rahul is quite secure in the team.

 

[Slog]

Nah

it has quite a few weaknesses and is inconsistent

 

[Zeshan547]

Sami = Rahul
Azhar > Vijay
Asad=Kohli
Yk > Pujara
Misbah < Rahane
so it's very close but pak top 5 is better than indian top 5 regardless of future potential, and even that base is covered as we have good back ups in shape of Babar and Haris, so we aren't giving india an inch in this department, regardless of how much posters like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] under rate our top 5. And not to mention we have better keeper than india as well in tests. So case closed.

 

[Dead Ball]

Pujara, Vijay and Kohli will end up as Indian greats at least. Most likely Rahane will too, but i still think he is over-rated on this forum.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Can India please play a 5 match series with us !! Please !! I am O.K. with it even if we are to play them in India.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Can India please play a 5 match series with us !! Please !! I am O.K. with it even if we are to play them in India.

It's sad that number 1 and 2 ranked teams can't face off. At least both boards should arrange a series in England

 

[Chrish]

Not as strong as made out to be

 

[Mamoon]

Sami = Rahul
Azhar > Vijay
Asad=Kohli
Yk > Pujara
Misbah < Rahane
so it's very close but pak top 5 is better than indian top 5 regardless of future potential, and even that base is covered as we have good back ups in shape of Babar and Haris, so we aren't giving india an inch in this department, regardless of how much posters like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] under rate our top 5. And not to mention we have better keeper than india as well in tests. So case closed.

Asad = Kohli

I should stopped reading there but that would have been disrespectful.

Besides, you also have to look long-term and that is the point of this thread. Younis might be better than Pujara right now but Pujara will be around for another 10 years while Younis will retire in a couple of years max.

Younis and Misbah can be replaced by Babar and Haris who have the technique, talent and the strokes, but as a unit the Indian top 5 has the most potential among any top 5 batting units. They are well ahead compared to other teams.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

It's sad that number 1 and 2 ranked teams can't face off. At least both boards should arrange a series in England

The above post is coming from your own fellow Indian, if someone reading this can forward the latter message to BCCI we can have a very competitive series man !!

For the first time Pakistan and India are top ranked test nations simultaneously and we can't even play a series - Screw them politicians man

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Nah

it has quite a few weaknesses and is inconsistent

What are they?

 

[Mamoon]

Nah

it has quite a few weaknesses and is inconsistent

Not as strong as made out to be

Take a long-term view, and that is the point. [MENTION=6243]Xoib[/MENTION] also misinterpreted the fab 4 comparison. Yes right now they are not at that level, but this Indian top 5 compared to those of other teams have the most potential.

They are pretty much established already but - with the exception of Vijay - still have 10 years in them.

You have got one certified ATG in Kohli and players like Rahane and Pujara have a genuine shot at greatness. Early days for Rahul but so far the signs are that he is from the same pedigree, and historically Indian batsmen don't falter or fade away before time. Perhaps Gambhir is the only prominent recent example.

Australia are in tatters; They have no clue about their best batting lineup except Smith and the FTB Warner; South Africa have their problems as well. Amla is in decline, de Villiers doesn't care about Tests anymore and du Plessis isn't great. Yes QdK and Bavuma are exciting talents, but the latter is not of the same class as the Indian batsmen.

Pakistan's issues have been covered already and there is no need of talking about the likes of NZ, SL and WI.

Yes as mentioned earlier, England can run them close but they need a top class batsman or two to complement Cook, Root and Bairstow. In that respect, Taylor was a big loss.

The Indian top 5 is the only that is settled and can potentially play for another 10 years. There is no weak link there.

 

[Mamoon]

Can India please play a 5 match series with us !! Please !! I am O.K. with it even if we are to play them in India.

I also wanted a Test series badly, but now I don't care. Let this remain one of the big mysteries of the modern era.

The mystery of how the current Pakistan and India would fare in a Test series. It has the possibility of being a proper classic or a big letdown, but let it remain a mystery now.

Nonetheless, it is not going to happen for another 5-6 years at least. 2013-2015 was the best time but it couldn't materialize. Now that the relations between the two countries are the worst since Kargil War, there is absolutely no chance and it is time to make peace with it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indian batting has been class for as long as I can remember watching cricket. There may have been one or two periods when the quality dipped but on the whole they are almost always well versed in batsmanship. I think it reflects well on their first class structure, seems they are doing something right and their system weeds out the tullay baaz yahoos that can often get by untested in Pakistan's cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

Indian batting has been class for as long as I can remember watching cricket. There may have been one or two periods when the quality dipped but on the whole they are almost always well versed in batsmanship. I think it reflects well on their first class structure, seems they are doing something right and their system weeds out the tullay baaz yahoos that can often get by untested in Pakistan's cricket.

Pretty much, for a long time we were to bowling what they are to batting, but our dip in bowling has gone one for a long time now.

India may not have the state of the art facilities like Australia and England, but they have a really good sense of batsmanship and know how to churn them out in numbers.

 

[Zeshan547]

Asad = Kohli

I should stopped reading there but that would have been disrespectful.

Besides, you also have to look long-term and that is the point of this thread. Younis might be better than Pujara right now but Pujara will be around for another 10 years while Younis will retire in a couple of years max.

Younis and Misbah can be replaced by Babar and Haris who have the technique, talent and the strokes, but as a unit the Indian top 5 has the most potential among any top 5 batting units. They are well ahead compared to other teams.

oh yeah man, i really made a blunder by saying asad=kohli remember their performance in england, now before saying kohli performance in aus asad have chance to do good in OZ as well, so asad at his worst can't average 13 in england, enough said?

 

[Hawkeye]

They're easy on the eyes definitely yes.

Except Pujara. Ours are very good too and effective, but don't play the classical textbook way.

We have Shafiq but he's a bit inconsistent and doesn't have the same high ceiling as Rahane for example.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Asad Shafiq is the batsman from Pakistan who resembles most closely Indian technique and temperament, except he lacks the quality. I have often heard that there is a Lahore/Karachi divide and it does seem to me that some of our best batsmen have come from Karachi but haven't always hung around for whatever reason. Basit Ali, Miandad, Qasim Omar Asim Kamal to name a few (although Miandad obviously hung around).

Not saying that there was anything fishy about selection, but we do seem to choose a lot of brainless batsmen compared to those guys.

 

[Hawkeye]

Asad Shafiq is the batsman from Pakistan who resembles most closely Indian technique and temperament, except he lacks the quality. I have often heard that there is a Lahore/Karachi divide and it does seem to me that some of our best batsmen have come from Karachi but haven't always hung around for whatever reason. Basit Ali, Miandad, Qasim Omar Asim Kamal to name a few (although Miandad obviously hung around).

Not saying that there was anything fishy about selection, but we do seem to choose a lot of brainless batsmen compared to those guys.

No.

Azam is another technique y guy. Haris looked class too

 

[Varun]

having watched enough of them barring Rahul I don't think anyone bar Kohli can average 50 in test cricket when their career ends.

Funny, I would in fact allege the exact opposite: everybody else will average 50+ except Kohli. He's more suited for ODIs, that guy.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No.

Azam is another technique y guy. Haris looked class too

Azam looks good technique wise, still need to see more of him to make my mind up about temperament. He's promising at this point. Haris Sohail also hasn't established himself yet by making enough big scores, it's not just about technique, mental toughness, hunger and grit all play a part. Indian batsmen back their claims up with stats and match-winning performances or they are out of the side.

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Not yet consistent enough. Not so friendly batting conditions at home has played its part but still will be good to see them score daddy 100s and pile up 500+ team runs consistently to be in the same league as Fab 4.

 

[Jan Sher]

Don't think they would last long against Yasir Shah.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Potentially very good. The reason why Indian batting will always look better than ours is because they have stroke makers. Our batsmen are gritty which works in Test cricket which is why currently I would still take our batting over India's in Test matches. Our batsmen have played well in varying conditions and I do think the likes of Azhar Ali, Asad, Misbah, Sarfraz and YK can replicate their good form in other conditions. I feel Indian batting could be pinned down and they are lacking a little on the temperament front. However, yes the names on their order are brilliant and have the ability to change games very quickly.

 

[adit_sh]

May be they are developing slowly into formidable unit in 2-3 years mamoon but not atm.
Or May be I am biased with the top 5 players of last decade.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Pujara, Kohli and Rahane are good but the other 2 mentioned by the OP I would disagree with.

Kohli is class no doubt as he has shown over time how good he is and now has some test performances to boot too.

Rahane has been doing well too but needs to show more resistance in his game as he looks to be trying to do too much too soon when he comes in.

Pujara has picked up nicely too especially with 3 hundreds lately and he was someone I always thought was India's replacement for Rahul Dravid when he was goinfm to hang his boots.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Only Vijay and Kohli are good. Rahane and Pujara are inconsistent especially pujara. Rahul has a long way to go to cement his place in the team.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Easily the best Test top 5 in the world

 

[Markhor]

I'm not envious at all, the more quality international cricketers the better from a cricket fan POV.

Speaks well of India's batting culture.

 

[Sachin136]

Sami = Rahul
Azhar > Vijay
Asad=Kohli
Yk > Pujara
Misbah < Rahane
so it's very close but pak top 5 is better than indian top 5 regardless of future potential, and even that base is covered as we have good back ups in shape of Babar and Haris, so we aren't giving india an inch in this department, regardless of how much posters like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] under rate our top 5. And not to mention we have better keeper than india as well in tests. So case closed.

These next few tours will show the standings more clearly. Pakistan aren't off to a great start.

 

[Slog]

These next few tours will show the standings more clearly. Pakistan aren't off to a great start.

Not saying much considering how same Indian batsmen were falling over themselves in England

 

[Bilal7]

Pakistan and South Africa have better a better top five and overall batting lineup. England also have a better overall batting lineup so I wouldn't be too envious.

These next few tours will show the standings more clearly. Pakistan aren't off to a great start.

Was the English tour not good enough evidence of the standing of both teams?

 

[Sachin136]

Pakistan and South Africa have better a better top five and overall batting lineup. England also have a better overall batting lineup so I wouldn't be too envious.



Was the English tour not good enough evidence of the standing of both teams?

Since when do England have a better top 5?

Cook > Rahul
Vijay > Hameed/Hales
Root = Kohli
Pujara> Duckett
Rahane > Moenn

There isn't only one country in the world. Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand play cricket too. That's why I said the next few tours will paint a better picture.

 

[Chrish]

Take a long-term view, and that is the point. [MENTION=6243]Xoib[/MENTION] also misinterpreted the fab 4 comparison. Yes right now they are not at that level, but this Indian top 5 compared to those of other teams have the most potential.

They are pretty much established already but - with the exception of Vijay - still have 10 years in them.

You have got one certified ATG in Kohli and players like Rahane and Pujara have a genuine shot at greatness. Early days for Rahul but so far the signs are that he is from the same pedigree, and historically Indian batsmen don't falter or fade away before time. Perhaps Gambhir is the only prominent recent example.

Australia are in tatters; They have no clue about their best batting lineup except Smith and the FTB Warner; South Africa have their problems as well. Amla is in decline, de Villiers doesn't care about Tests anymore and du Plessis isn't great. Yes QdK and Bavuma are exciting talents, but the latter is not of the same class as the Indian batsmen.

Pakistan's issues have been covered already and there is no need of talking about the likes of NZ, SL and WI.

Yes as mentioned earlier, England can run them close but they need a top class batsman or two to complement Cook, Root and Bairstow. In that respect, Taylor was a big loss.

The Indian top 5 is the only that is settled and can potentially play for another 10 years. There is no weak link there.

I am not really sure how you can call Kohli certified ATG? He hasn't really been that consequential.. Take last two tours of SA and NZ for example. He boosted his average in dead rubber while Pujara and Murali made all the tough runs.

Tbh Pujara and Murali are the only two solid batsmen in the team. Murali's partner is a problem (hope they stick around with Rahul). While Kohli and Rahane are too hot and cold.

They are lucky to have Saha and Ashwin in lower order to rectify blunder made by top order. As for how good are they compared to other teams, it's hard to say. Upcoming tours should give us better picture.

 

[The_Odd_One]

India has the strongest top 5 of all teams. England has enormous depth but I think India's main batsmen are much better.

 

[Statsman]

The Indian bottom 5 isn't bad either. Ashwin, Jadeja are good.

 

[Sachin136]

The Indian bottom 5 isn't bad either. Ashwin, Jadeja are good.

Shami, Mishra, Ishant and Yadav are pretty bad though.

 

[msb314]

Rahabe is good but inconsistent.

Pujara is unfortunately a HTB although is very talented.

Vijay and Kohli are indeed top class.

Too early to say anything about Lokesh Rahul yet.

 

[Sachin136]

Rahabe is good but inconsistent.

Pujara is unfortunately a HTB although is very talented.

Vijay and Kohli are indeed top class.

Too early to say anything about Lokesh Rahul yet.

Rahane was more consistent than Kohli (but not as impactful) outside Asia. Vijay has been more inconsistent then both of them.

 

[Statsman]

Shami, Mishra, Ishant and Yadav are pretty bad though.

Once Bhuvi is back we can have 3 good lower order batsmen out of 5. Mishra is actually not that bad (has played some vital knocks in domestic and even for India) but I don't see him playing long for India. We are already looking for replacements and he is not getting any younger. Jayant Yadav could be a handy bat as his replacement.

Even Umesh Yadav has the talent to bat better just doesn't apply himself. He has a FC 100 and a FC 95 in Australia. Shami played well in England. They have a bit of potential. Good enough for number 10/11.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I am not really sure how you can call Kohli certified ATG? He hasn't really been that consequential.. Take last two tours of SA and NZ for example. He boosted his average in dead rubber while Pujara and Murali made all the tough runs.

Tbh Pujara and Murali are the only two solid batsmen in the team. Murali's partner is a problem (hope they stick around with Rahul). While Kohli and Rahane are too hot and cold.

They are lucky to have Saha and Ashwin in lower order to rectify blunder made by top order. As for how good are they compared to other teams, it's hard to say. Upcoming tours should give us better picture.

Long way to go for ATG.

But Kohli did perform in Kolkata on a super tough track with variable bounce. For some reason, the track went crazy hard in 3rd innings with ball jumping up and down. That was an important knock.

Then Indore.

Then Rajkot.

Now Vizag.

 

[Mamoon]

I am not really sure how you can call Kohli certified ATG? He hasn't really been that consequential.. Take last two tours of SA and NZ for example. He boosted his average in dead rubber while Pujara and Murali made all the tough runs.

Tbh Pujara and Murali are the only two solid batsmen in the team. Murali's partner is a problem (hope they stick around with Rahul). While Kohli and Rahane are too hot and cold.

They are lucky to have Saha and Ashwin in lower order to rectify blunder made by top order. As for how good are they compared to other teams, it's hard to say. Upcoming tours should give us better picture.

Kohli belongs to the class of Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting. Players who were earmarked for greatness before they got there. With the really special players, you just know that they will get there.

There is no doubt at all that Kohli will finish as an ATG batsman.

Right now, he's not an ATG in Tests but as I mentioned, I'm highlighting the long-term potential of these players. Players like Rahane and Pujara may not end up as ATGs but they have a genuine shot at being Indian greats, and that really makes their batting line-up formidable.

This is another golden era for Indian batting after a 4-5 year blip.

 

[jeetu]

Indian top 5 has good potential but they lack consistency.

 

[Suleiman]

Allah has punished us for this ungratefulness it seems, as we got bundled out for 130 odd.

 

[leatherface58]

It is a good lineup but every player has some issues.

Vijay - Needs to dominate on flat pitches. Have a monster series where scores like 400 runs in 3 tests. Averaging just over 40 is good but he has potential to average 45+.

Rahul - He is either a 0 or a 100. Needs to be more consistent though he has no obvious technical issues but then again, he has yet to tour England and South Africa. Tremendous potential.

Pujara - Best player of spin in the side but has issues playing outside subcontinent. Weirdly enough, his issues start when he has to kick on after getting himself in which he does more often than not. Makes his record look worse than it is and he needs to work on it.

Kohli - The absolute king. Captaincy has improved his batting and he has mellowed down a lot which makes me think that the whole brash cocky persona was just an exaggerated version of him. Might have issues outside off stump but he handled Jimmy well. Will definitely perform much better the next time he tours England.

Rahane - Most clutch of them all but needs to cash in when things are already set up for him. Issues while playing spin. Kohli will outperform him because he is just the king but I tend to favor Rahane more.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Kohli belongs to the class of Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting. Players who were earmarked for greatness before they got there. With the really special players, you just know that they will get there.

There is no doubt at all that Kohli will finish as an ATG batsman.

Right now, he's not an ATG in Tests but as I mentioned, I'm highlighting the long-term potential of these players. Players like Rahane and Pujara may not end up as ATGs but they have a genuine shot at being Indian greats, and that really makes their batting line-up formidable.

This is another golden era for Indian batting after a 4-5 year blip.

What's your take on the Indian fast bowlers? Shami and Yadav have been exceptional. And they have bowled really fast too. Yadav averages at 144kph in this ongoing test.

 

[Saj]

With all due respect I don't think the Indian top 5 would have made huge scores on this Christchurch wicket, but I guess some of them would have put a bigger price on their wicket.

 

[Yatoo]

With all due respect I don't think the Indian top 5 would have made huge scores on this Christchurch wicket, but I guess some of them would have put a bigger price on their wicket.

Apart from Rahane, others wouldn't have made much difference.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Apart from Rahane, others wouldn't have made much difference.

Even wouldn't have made a difference ?

 

[Yatoo]

Even wouldn't have made a difference ?

I better check his stats in similar conditions in England across 2 tours

 

[Slog]

Even wouldn't have made a difference ?

No reason to suggest he would have if we're being fair

He has time to correct that opinion which many people hold

 

[Indiafan]

With all due respect I don't think the Indian top 5 would have made huge scores on this Christchurch wicket, but I guess some of them would have put a bigger price on their wicket.

I think big scores would have been difficult on this pitch. However, even 50-100 extra runs with couple of batsmen scoring 50s instead of 100s would have made a difference in the end result, just like Jeet did

 

[Indiafan]

No reason to suggest he would have if we're being fair

He has time to correct that opinion which many people hold

Yes because opinions are made based on 1 tour. However, the same standards are never used for Amir for some strange reason, for him its excuse after excuse after excuse in every thread. So basically what I notice is - when it comes to Indian players performance after performance after performance does not mattter. They have to pass the ultimate of ultimate goals (score big scores in all series in all years on all pitches - lets forget even most ATGs don't have this, let alone greats like Younis or Inzi). But when it comes to Pakistan player one series 6 years ago is enough to brand them as great or potential greats and then excuses are made for each failures.

 

[Slog]

Yes because opinions are made based on 1 tour. However, the same standards are never used for Amir for some strange reason, for him its excuse after excuse after excuse in every thread. So basically what I notice is - when it comes to Indian players performance after performance after performance does not mattter. They have to pass the ultimate of ultimate goals (score big scores in all series in all years on all pitches - lets forget even most ATGs don't have this, let alone greats like Younis or Inzi). But when it comes to Pakistan player one series 6 years ago is enough to brand them as great or potential greats and then excuses are made for each failures.

No those excuses ARE made for Amir and these excuses ARE called out.

And no The Indians don't have to score in all series in all countries in all pitches. They have to do it once. Kohli most likely will do it as he has 2 tours of England left but if he doesn't then the criticism will remain valid

Get out of the victim mentality

 

[Sidilicious]

With all due respect I don't think the Indian top 5 would have made huge scores on this Christchurch wicket, but I guess some of them would have put a bigger price on their wicket.

I reckon the Indian team would have scored around 250 in both innings. If I dig deeper, possibly 200 in the 1st innings and 300 in the 2nd innings.

Our lower order is clutch and would've helped us reach 200 in the 1st innings. In the 2nd innings, our batsman would have made use of getting set. Unlike Azhar Ali, I reckon, they would have scored some runs had they gotten set. A 100 and a 50 would have allowed us to get to 275-300.

Azhar to me was the biggest problem today. When you are set, you need to score.

 

[Thomaskutty]

And no The Indians don't have to score in all series in all countries in all pitches. They have to do it once. Kohli most likely will do it as he has 2 tours of England left but if he doesn't then the criticism will remain valid

If Kohli keeps failing in England , he will still be an all time great.

Does Warne's horrible record in India make him any less a bowler in most people's minds ? Of course not.

 

[Buffet]

If Kohli keeps failing in England , he will still be an all time great.

Does Warne's horrible record in India make him any less a bowler in most people's minds ? Of course not.

Kohli still needs to score heavily in other venues. Early days for him and a long career ahead of him.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Kohli still needs to score heavily in other venues. Early days for him and a long career ahead of him.

He has a decent record in places like NZ and SA tbf.A series victory in England would be great but I wouldn't hold it against him if he falls short.It's time the other batsmen stood up.

 

[Buffet]

He has a decent record in places like NZ and SA tbf.A series victory in England would be great but I wouldn't hold it against him if he falls short.It's time the other batsmen stood up.

He will get more chance in Eng and he has tightened his game a bit so I won't be surprised to see him score in Eng as well. I only meant that ATG kind of talk is premature. He has to score lots of run for that for many years.