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Boeing still desperate to sell India some fighter jets.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The advanced, multi-role, single and two seater, carrier-compatible F/A-18 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SuperHornet?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SuperHornet</a> will offer unrivalled commonality and interoperability benefits to the <a href="https://twitter.com/indiannavy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@indiannavy</a>. <a href="https://t.co/1Omc424PSz">pic.twitter.com/1Omc424PSz</a></p>— Boeing India (@Boeing_In) <a href="https://twitter.com/Boeing_In/status/1328617010767556608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Boeing still desperate to sell India some fighter jets.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The advanced, multi-role, single and two seater, carrier-compatible F/A-18 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SuperHornet?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SuperHornet</a> will offer unrivalled commonality and interoperability benefits to the <a href="https://twitter.com/indiannavy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@indiannavy</a>. <a href="https://t.co/1Omc424PSz">pic.twitter.com/1Omc424PSz</a></p>— Boeing India (@Boeing_In) <a href="https://twitter.com/Boeing_In/status/1328617010767556608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Of course, they are desperate.

A major part of "peaceful western democracies'"™ economy depends on weapon sales and requires continuous wars in 3rd world countries (like Pakistan/India).
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Boeing still desperate to sell India some fighter jets.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The advanced, multi-role, single and two seater, carrier-compatible F/A-18 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SuperHornet?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SuperHornet</a> will offer unrivalled commonality and interoperability benefits to the <a href="https://twitter.com/indiannavy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@indiannavy</a>. <a href="https://t.co/1Omc424PSz">pic.twitter.com/1Omc424PSz</a></p>— Boeing India (@Boeing_In) <a href="https://twitter.com/Boeing_In/status/1328617010767556608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Shornet is the front runner for the navy's 57 jet tender.
 
cricketjoshila said:
It will be 57 but in 2 or 3 tranches.
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Spread over how many decades? :)

The initial MRCA tender was supposed to deliver 126 (with the option of an additional 74). That process started in the mid 2000s. And look what it’s delivered so far.

Now we have this Navy tender + MRCA 2.0. One would have to be a real optimist to think both will go ahead on schedule.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Spread over how many decades? :)

The initial MRCA tender was supposed to deliver 126 (with the option of an additional 74). That process started in the mid 2000s. And look what it’s delivered so far.

Now we have this Navy tender + MRCA 2.0. One would have to be a real optimist to think both will go ahead on schedule.
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Well blame the UPA for putting all defence purchases in the cold storage.

If the grapevine is to be believed, despite IAF giving the tender to Rafale, congress govt wanted to give another aircraft the backdoor entry by revealing to them the tender price and hence getting them to lower the bid. It was believed that a certain family was to get kick backs for this.

Mrca 2.0 will be in tranches too so that if there is a more advanced version of the aircraft that has come that may be ordered.

Imagine this if India had ordered 126 Rafales in 2015, all would have been F3 versions and by the time all the aircraft would have been delivered, Rafala would be in F4 or F5 version, thereby IAF had to spend to upgrade.

Now by the time the 36 F3 are delivered, the next 36 order will be of F4 version.

The naval fighter will be delayed because the IAC 1 is still not out.
 
83 Tejas jets ordered. Delivery to start in three years time. It seems like HAL hasn’t met a deadline in their life with delay after delay in all their projects - will they meet this deadline?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian government clears $6.5 billion deal for homemade Tejas fighter jets <a href="https://t.co/mG1oMtSa4L">https://t.co/mG1oMtSa4L</a> <a href="https://t.co/lQKHmts6dX">pic.twitter.com/lQKHmts6dX</a></p>— Defense News (@defense_news) <a href="https://twitter.com/defense_news/status/1349792635238674433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
And the chest thumping has already started.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian Tejas better that Pak China joint venture JF -17 says Air Chief .. <a href="https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IAF_MCC</a> <a href="https://t.co/qEnPNh3WPT">https://t.co/qEnPNh3WPT</a></p>— Naveen Kapoor ANI (@IamNaveenKapoor) <a href="https://twitter.com/IamNaveenKapoor/status/1349699676094701568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Tejas are garbage
Every nuetral observer knows it at this point...
 
Tejas is an average aircraft at best which no one is ready to buy from India and hence Indian has itself bought its own jets lol
 
Gabbar Singh said:
And the chest thumping has already started.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian Tejas better that Pak China joint venture JF -17 says Air Chief .. <a href="https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IAF_MCC</a> <a href="https://t.co/qEnPNh3WPT">https://t.co/qEnPNh3WPT</a></p>— Naveen Kapoor ANI (@IamNaveenKapoor) <a href="https://twitter.com/IamNaveenKapoor/status/1349699676094701568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Lol, but what was the Indian air chief supposed to answer? Of course he will say they are better than anything Pakistan or China make. Warna tou hungama kadha hou jata padhoos mein.
 
40 odd years in development and Tejas finally makes debut as Tejas Mk1 which is only 50 percent indigenous.. I am keen to see how Tejas Mk1A would be, it is meant to be 60 percent indigenous.
 
Su-30 competitive with JF-17 and F-16
Rafaele better than any Pak jet and dare I say even competitive or better than some of the top Chinese jets

Tejas don't even bring it into the conversation :danish
 
$6.5b for 83 Tejas fighter jets seems like a lot of money - is the government overpaying just so they can boast about their “make in India” initiative?
 
How many Rafaeles has India got today, that it can deploy against China or Pak?

For a 2 front war, it needs good amount of military hardware.
 
Unfortunately another crash today :

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India will ground all its Soviet-era Russian fighter jets, the MiG-21, by 2025, following the death of two officers in a crash, the latest in a series of casualties involving the single-engine jet’s failure, a newspaper reported on Saturday.

The Times of India quoted unnamed Indian Air Force officials as saying the MiG-21s have long past their retirement but must be replaced before being grounded.

The report did not specify what portion of India’s fighter-jet capability would be affected. The Wion news outlet said the air force has around 70 MiG-21s. The air force and defence ministry have been buying aircraft from Western makers in recent years.

A senior defence ministry official declined to confirm or deny the Times of India report, telling Reuters only that discussions on the future of the MiG-21 were underway, as sourcing of spare parts from Russia was increasingly difficult due to the war in Ukraine.

A defence ministry spokesman did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment.

The MiG-21, dubbed “flying coffins” by the Indian press, has been the country’s key fighter jet since its introduction in 1963 but has been plagued by crashes in later years.

The jets have been a critical security asset in India’s military infrastructure, used for example to strike neighbour Pakistan after an alleged suicide attack in the occupied Kashmir region in 2019.

Thursday’s crash of an air force MiG-21 Bison in the desert state of Rajasthan brings to six the number of MiG-21 crashes since last year, with five officers killed, according to official data and a source.

In 2012, then-Defence Minister A.K. Antony told parliament that more than half of India’s 872 MiG-21s had been lost to crashes over the previous four decades.

DAWN
 
2 Pilots Missing After Army's Cheetah Helicopter Crashes In Arunachal
"It is reported to have crashed near Mandala, West of Bomdila. Search parties have been launched," the army said.

An Indian Army chopper today crashed near Mandala in Arunachal Pradesh. Two crewmen -- a Lieutenant Colonel and a Major -- are reportedly missing. The aircraft lost contact with the Air Traffic Controller at 9:15 am, the army said.

"Army Aviation Cheetah helicopter flying an operational sortie near Bomdila, Arunachal Pradesh was reported to have lost contact with the ATC at around 09:15 AM on 16 March 23.

It is reported to have crashed near Mandala, West of Bomdila. Search parties have been launched," the army said.

NDTV
 
A General Court Martial (GCM) in India has ordered the dismissal of an Indian Air Force (IAF) group captain for a friendly missile attack on an Mi-17 helicopter in February 2019, according to a report published in Tribune India.

On February 27, 2019, an Indian Mi-17 helicopter crashed, killing seven people, including IAF personnel, during a “routine mission”.

The incident took place around the same time and on the same day when Pakistan Air Force (PAF) undertook strikes across the Line of Control (LoC) from Pakistani airspace as part of Operation Swift Retort after India violated the boundary and struck Balakot.

According to a report by Tribune India published on Monday, the GCM ordered the dismissal of group captain Suman Roy Chowdhury, who was the chief operations officer of the IAF at the Srinagar Air Force station at the time of the friendly missile attack.

Dawn
 
An Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 fighter jet crashed in Hanumangarh district of Rajasthan killing two civilians on the ground, Hindustan Times reported Monday.

According to reports, the pilot is safe as he jumped the aircraft in time using a parachute. Meanwhile, the army’s helicopter has reached the accident site for rescue.
 
The Indian Air Force has grounded its entire fleet of Soviet-era MiG-21 fighter warplanes in the wake of an air crash in western India’s Rajasthan killing three civilians present at the spot of the accident.

The measure taken by the air force is to carry out checks as per the standard protocol, officials said.

“As per the standard procedure, one-time checks are going on for which the fleet was grounded after the crash. Aircraft are back in the air as the checks progress,” an Air Force official said on Saturday, reported Indian daily The Hindu.

The customary checks of the entire fleet are expected to be completed very soon, the official added.

This comes two weeks after a MiG-21 Bison aircraft crashed in Rajasthan’s Hanumangarh village after taking off from Suratgarh air base.

It crashed while flying on a routine training sortie. The IAF pilot also suffered minor injuries in the crash, prompting the officials to launch an investigation into finding the exact cause behind the accident.

Grounding of aircraft fleet is a standard practice to carry out checks in the aftermath of an incident due to technical reasons.

At present the IAF has around 70 Mig-21 aircraft and 50 Mig-29 variants.

The first fleet of the MiG variant was inducted into the IAF in 1963.

In subsequent years, India procured over 700 variants of the aircraft but the country is now on the verge of phasing them out.

While it has been an integral part of the IAF’s fighter aircraft and has been a top choice for frontline fighter jet deployment, MiG-21 aircraft has also earned the nickname of “Flying Coffin” due to the high rate of accidents.

According to the Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) data, at least 170 pilots have been killed in accidents involving the aircraft.

Since 2010 more than 20 aircraft have crashed and 38 aircraft crashed between 2003 and 2013.

Several inquiries have also been conducted into the poor safety record of the aircraft.

The Indian air force is now looking to introduce indigenous aircraft including the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mark 1A and LCA Mark 2 along with the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft, reported NDTV.

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Panic gripped Bhanuda village in Rajasthan as villagers spotted flames and wreckage in fields after an Indian Air Force Jaguar fighter jet crashed during a training sortie, killing the pilot onboard.​


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Two people, including an Indian Air Force (IAF) pilot, were killed after a Jaguar fighter jet crashed near Bhanuda village in Rajasthan's Churu district on Wednesday, officials said.

According to preliminary information, the wreckage of the aircraft was found in a field, along with the body of the pilot. The body was recovered in a severely damaged condition. The identities of the pilot and another person killed in the crash are yet to be officially confirmed by the Army and local administration.

Sources told India Today TV that the crash took place while the fighter jet was on a training sortie. The air force operates multiple bases in Rajasthan, with major installations in Jodhpur and Bikaner.

Soon after the incident, panic spread in the area. Villagers reported hearing a loud noise from the sky, followed by flames and smoke rising from the fields. Local residents also said that the crash caused a fire in nearby fields, which they tried to douse themselves.

District Collector Abhishek Surana and police teams have rushed to the site. An Army rescue team is also expected to reach the spot to secure the area and begin an investigation.

The exact cause of the crash is yet to be ascertained. The Army is expected to release an official statement after completing its initial inquiry.

The aircraft crashed in an agriculture field in Bhanoda village around 1.25 pm, local police official Rajaldesar Kamlessh told news agency PTI. He said human body parts were found near the crash site.

www.indiatoday.in

IAF's Jaguar fighter jet crashes in Rajasthan's Churu, pilot among 2 dead

Panic gripped Bhanuda village in Rajasthan as villagers spotted flames and wreckage in fields after an Indian Air Force Jaguar fighter jet crashed during a training sortie, killing the pilot onboard.
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2025

6 February : Mirage 2000 twin-seater crashed near Shivpuri, Madhya Pradesh. both pilots ejected safely

7 March : Jaguar crashed near Ambala, Haryana. pilot ejected safely

2 April : Two-seater Jaguar crashed near Jamnagar, Gujarat. 1 Pilot made the ultimate sacrifice, other critically injured

9 July : Jaguar crashed near Churu, Rajasthan. 1 Pilot made the ultimate sacrifice.

Cold war era relics
 
uppercut said:
RAS-72 Sea Eagle is your answer. :cigar
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More like PL15s locked and loaded 🤔

Apparently India is claiming this relic is a twin seater jet, when it’s a one seater. Is India claiming a kill from May? Utterly embarrassing if confirmed
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:

Panic gripped Bhanuda village in Rajasthan as villagers spotted flames and wreckage in fields after an Indian Air Force Jaguar fighter jet crashed during a training sortie, killing the pilot onboard.​


the-crash-occurred-in-bhanuda-village-092522312-16x9_0.jpeg


Two people, including an Indian Air Force (IAF) pilot, were killed after a Jaguar fighter jet crashed near Bhanuda village in Rajasthan's Churu district on Wednesday, officials said.

According to preliminary information, the wreckage of the aircraft was found in a field, along with the body of the pilot. The body was recovered in a severely damaged condition. The identities of the pilot and another person killed in the crash are yet to be officially confirmed by the Army and local administration.

Sources told India Today TV that the crash took place while the fighter jet was on a training sortie. The air force operates multiple bases in Rajasthan, with major installations in Jodhpur and Bikaner.

Soon after the incident, panic spread in the area. Villagers reported hearing a loud noise from the sky, followed by flames and smoke rising from the fields. Local residents also said that the crash caused a fire in nearby fields, which they tried to douse themselves.

District Collector Abhishek Surana and police teams have rushed to the site. An Army rescue team is also expected to reach the spot to secure the area and begin an investigation.

The exact cause of the crash is yet to be ascertained. The Army is expected to release an official statement after completing its initial inquiry.

The aircraft crashed in an agriculture field in Bhanoda village around 1.25 pm, local police official Rajaldesar Kamlessh told news agency PTI. He said human body parts were found near the crash site.

www.indiatoday.in

IAF's Jaguar fighter jet crashes in Rajasthan's Churu, pilot among 2 dead

Panic gripped Bhanuda village in Rajasthan as villagers spotted flames and wreckage in fields after an Indian Air Force Jaguar fighter jet crashed during a training sortie, killing the pilot onboard.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in
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@emranabbas
 
Indian pilots are so useless may as well make Modi one & Akshay kumar his co pilot.
 
AAli98 said:
Indian pilots are so useless may as well make Modi one & Akshay kumar his co pilot.
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That's unfair. They are as professional as any other force and are motivated and well trained. They are just hamstrung by their rubbish system. Bad leadership and obsolete equipment. They are also up against one of the best air forces on the planet bar none. Not easy.
 
Atleast this way by downing their own jet Indian government can atleast bring some honor to operation sindoor fallen pilots.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:

Panic gripped Bhanuda village in Rajasthan as villagers spotted flames and wreckage in fields after an Indian Air Force Jaguar fighter jet crashed during a training sortie, killing the pilot onboard.​


the-crash-occurred-in-bhanuda-village-092522312-16x9_0.jpeg


Two people, including an Indian Air Force (IAF) pilot, were killed after a Jaguar fighter jet crashed near Bhanuda village in Rajasthan's Churu district on Wednesday, officials said.

According to preliminary information, the wreckage of the aircraft was found in a field, along with the body of the pilot. The body was recovered in a severely damaged condition. The identities of the pilot and another person killed in the crash are yet to be officially confirmed by the Army and local administration.

Sources told India Today TV that the crash took place while the fighter jet was on a training sortie. The air force operates multiple bases in Rajasthan, with major installations in Jodhpur and Bikaner.

Soon after the incident, panic spread in the area. Villagers reported hearing a loud noise from the sky, followed by flames and smoke rising from the fields. Local residents also said that the crash caused a fire in nearby fields, which they tried to douse themselves.

District Collector Abhishek Surana and police teams have rushed to the site. An Army rescue team is also expected to reach the spot to secure the area and begin an investigation.

The exact cause of the crash is yet to be ascertained. The Army is expected to release an official statement after completing its initial inquiry.

The aircraft crashed in an agriculture field in Bhanoda village around 1.25 pm, local police official Rajaldesar Kamlessh told news agency PTI. He said human body parts were found near the crash site.

www.indiatoday.in

IAF's Jaguar fighter jet crashes in Rajasthan's Churu, pilot among 2 dead

Panic gripped Bhanuda village in Rajasthan as villagers spotted flames and wreckage in fields after an Indian Air Force Jaguar fighter jet crashed during a training sortie, killing the pilot onboard.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in
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Maybe some incompetent and thick sanghi was operating it. :inti
 
There are issues , esp because India hasn’t let private sector enter the game for long and we have had duds like HAL and DRDO(Delhi) taking away money for so long.

This airforce industry also depends upon alliances funding etc.

It will still take time, but it can only be improved incrementally as it requires extreme engineering and knowledge.
 
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