The Iran Human Rights debate (Hijab/Political Victimization/Executions)

[sweep_shot]

Nothing will happen in Iran, the vast majority are supportive of the post-revolution agenda. How do you think the world’s most sanctioned country has been able to survive without the inherent support of the public?

The average iranian also knows that the West gives as much important to their human rights as it does to the human rights of Afghan! They are a nation with an extensive history and they remembers very well the mischief created by the Western for the sake of their oil reserves.

This current issue will go the way of the Green Movement, which was also presented in the media is the start of the end of post-revolution Iran. It fizzled out in a matter of weeks.

There is a broader global game being played out. The emergence of China Russian alliance which will absorb Iran and other nations which do not toe the Western agenda. Russia and China are permanent members of the UN Security Council and on a combined basis represent a significant share of the global GDP. Iran is no longer as isolated (owing to sanction) as the Western nations would wish. That is why Iran is not desperate to reach another Nuclear agreement with the US and EU.

Iran has become a regional power with significant influence in Iraq, Lebanon and Syria. Iran is an important powerful and influential nation which has an important role to play in a rapidly changing world.

Great post. I agree.

Western sanctions do not really work. It is comical. North Korea is doing fine. Iran is doing fine. Russian ruble has gained value. Just some examples.

 

[SalimBhai]

I have been to iran. Most people I talked to hunted they are sick of the regime. Almost everyone I talked to had a very open minded view of the world. Forward thinking. Yes there are two camels secular and the regime. However secular don’t want to force anything on the other person. The regime does. That’s the difference.

 

[SalimBhai]

Sanction. Can be devastating . Iran’s could be a first world country if not for the incompetent regime and the sanctions. North Korea is not fine. Yes the supreme leader is still in power. But you can’t compare north vs South Korea. There is no food to eat in the north.

 

[IMMY69]

Great post. I agree.

Western sanctions do not really work. It is comical. North Korea is doing fine. Iran is doing fine. Russian ruble has gained value. Just some examples.

A question for you.
How exactly is Iran doing fine?

How do people benefit from this?

 

[sweep_shot]

A question for you.
How exactly is Iran doing fine?

How do people benefit from this?

Are Iranians dying or struggling at home? No! They have jobs. They can study. They have families. They are doing fine.

Only Iranians who claim to be suffering are the "mera jism, mera marji" types. Anarchists.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The vast majority of Iranians live in fear but hopefully, if not this time, then sometime in the near future there will be another revolution that takes down these religious leaders.

I would be happy to see that, but like Pakistanis, I don't have much time for people who whinge abroad but do nothing at home. It's your country, don't expect others to fix your problems. Reminds me of secular Afghans who complain that Pakistan exported the Taliban to their country, then you see pictures from that country and every woman is swathed in a blue tent.

 

[IMMY69]

I would be happy to see that, but like Pakistanis, I don't have much time for people who whinge abroad but do nothing at home. It's your country, don't expect others to fix your problems. Reminds me of secular Afghans who complain that Pakistan exported the Taliban to their country, then you see pictures from that country and every woman is swathed in a blue tent.

I agree with you.
Just putting my views here especially when I disagree with others.

Like Iran, Pakistan will need to have a revolution if things are to change.
It's a long and difficult road for both countries.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I agree with you.
Just putting my views here especially when I disagree with others.

Like Iran, Pakistan will need to have a revolution if things are to change.
It's a long and difficult road for both countries.

Whether I agree with foreigners or not, I am not a fan of telling other people how they should live in their country, that is their business. Unless of course, they come onto forums like this to badmouth their neighbours while glorifying their own cesspit of a country. So you can bet if Iranians were on this website telling us how to live I would be asking some probing questions.

 

[IMMY69]

Are Iranians dying or struggling at home? No! They have jobs. They can study. They have families. They are doing fine.

Only Iranians who claim to be suffering are the "mera jism, mera marji" types. Anarchists.

Then you have absolutely no idea.

You see it from the outside and think the country is fine.
Go to the villages in Iran, meet the local people.
Go to Iran in the summer and breath in the pollution and smog.

Ask a women how easy it is to live in Iran and ask a you big lad what the police are capable of.

 

[SalimBhai]

Are Iranians dying or struggling at home? No! They have jobs. They can study. They have families. They are doing fine.

Only Iranians who claim to be suffering are the "mera jism, mera marji" types. Anarchists.

Clearly you have not been to iran nor have read much about their issues .

 

[MenInG]

Two members of Iran's security forces have been killed in continuing protests against the authorities, state media have said.

Videos on social media show students and schoolgirls joining the demonstrations across the country.

Dozens of protesters have been killed since unrest began last month following the death of a young woman in custody.

Mahsa Amini was detained in Tehran by the morality police for allegedly not covering her hair properly.

The 22-year-old Iranian Kurd died in custody on 16 September, three days after her arrest.

One member of the Basij paramilitary militia was "killed by rioters with a gunshot" at one of the protest sites in Tehran, according to Basij News, the official website run by the Basij organisation.

A member of the Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC) was also killed on Saturday during protests in Sanandaj, the capital of Kurdistan province, Iranian media report.

At least 20 members of the IRGC, Basij and police forces have been killed over the past three weeks of protests, the media say.

Protests over the weekend were reported across the country, including Tehran and Sanandaj.

Videos shared on social media appeared to show Iran's security services entering schools and universities on Sunday.

 

[mazkhan]

Don't listen to 90mph

These protestors are mainly kurdish and its been hijacked by kurdish nationalists who most are not even proper orthodox Muslims no concept of namaz roza deen

The iranian regime has been having a hard time in the kurdish area where this girl originally hailed from.

Iran has now threatened the goverment of kurdistan in Iraq since they are the centre for being allies of Israelis and causing unrest in Iran, Turkey and supporting rojava in Syria where syrian oil is being stolen by usa facilitated by their guns for hire the kurds .

 

[Junaids]

Are Iranians dying or struggling at home? No! They have jobs. They can study. They have families. They are doing fine.

Only Iranians who claim to be suffering are the "mera jism, mera marji" types. Anarchists.

50% of Iranians have no rights and are forced to wear head coverings that 95% of their mothers chose not to wear before the revolution.

Iranian women never wanted to wear headscarves. They had a choice until 1979 and they almost all chose not to.

Headscarves in Iran are a form of imprisonment, and a form of male subjugation of women.

 

[SalimBhai]

50% of Iranians have no rights and are forced to wear head coverings that 95% of their mothers chose not to wear before the revolution.

Iranian women never wanted to wear headscarves. They had a choice until 1979 and they almost all chose not to.

Headscarves in Iran are a form of imprisonment, and a form of male subjugation of women.

I have been to iran. When you leave iran and when the pilot announces we have left the Iranian airspace. All women take if the chowdor that they are forced to wear. 99.99 percent don’t put that thing back on till they have returned to iran. That would tell you how much people love the chowdor.

 

[Robert]

Bingo!

Kurds cause problems in Syria, Turkey, and Iraq too. Saddam even had to go for gas attack. I am not defending Saddam's action but there seems to be an issue with Kurds.

Turkey has been fighting PKK Kurdish terrorists for years.

The “issue with Kurds” is that they do not have their own homeland.

When the Entente divvied up the ME on the back of an envelope after busting up the Ottoman Empire, they left the poor Kurds out.

Turkey has also been supporting Kurds in Syria. It appears that some Kurds are more equal than others.

 

[IMMY69]

Don't listen to 90mph

These protestors are mainly kurdish and its been hijacked by kurdish nationalists who most are not even proper orthodox Muslims no concept of namaz roza deen

The iranian regime has been having a hard time in the kurdish area where this girl originally hailed from.

Iran has now threatened the goverment of kurdistan in Iraq since they are the centre for being allies of Israelis and causing unrest in Iran, Turkey and supporting rojava in Syria where syrian oil is being stolen by usa facilitated by their guns for hire the kurds .

This is absolute nonsense.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I have been to iran. Most people I talked to hunted they are sick of the regime. Almost everyone I talked to had a very open minded view of the world. Forward thinking. Yes there are two camels secular and the regime. However secular don’t want to force anything on the other person. The regime does. That’s the difference.

You have not heard of the Kashf-e hijab.

On 8 January 1936, Reza Shah of Iran (Persia) issued a decree known as Kashf-e hijab banning all Islamic veils (including headscarf and chador), an edict that was swiftly and forcefully implemented.

To enforce this decree, the police were ordered to physically remove the veil from any woman who wore it in public. Women who refused were beaten, their headscarves and chadors torn off, and their homes forcibly searched

This idea that the "secular" are tolerant and only the mullahs are oppressive is nonsense. At the end of the day they both come from the same society. Their is very little difference between the oppression that the Shah did and want the Mullahs are doing.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Their is no difference between people who want to force women to cover their head, and people who want to force women not to cover their head. Ultimately it should be a women's choice of what she wears, however this is a concept that many cant understand.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

None taken but have you ever spoken with an Iranian ?

Have you read the history of even recent Iran ?

When Iranians protested the Shah regime it was done by all backgrounds and certainly wasn’t started by the religious mullahs that hijacked the movement to impose thier will.

You are right on one aspect, we don’t know what all Iranians want because a religious theocracy is in place with little freedom just like we don’t know what all Saudis want in their country.

But by listening to so many Iranians you can gage a picture that they don’t want to live under a religious oppressive regime. Just find it so weird many especially Pakistanis living in secular western countries defending or shrugging their shoulders against people protesting such a government when they themselves would live under such conditions imposed on them.

The Iranians who you would listen to would speak English, and therefore be better educated. That does not necessarily reflect the will of the majority. Until a fair election is held we wont know. However we do know this, the secular shah had as much respect for human rights as the mullahs. Which is zero.

Just find it so weird many especially Pakistanis living in secular western countries defending or shrugging their shoulders against people protesting such a government when they themselves would live under such conditions imposed on them.

The Pakistanis living in the secular western countries went their for better economic opportunities. Not because they cared for secularism. Same way mllions of Pakistanis also went for better economic opportunists in Saudi and the other Gulf countries. That does not mean they were attracted to Wahhabism.

Its only weird for you because you dont understand why they left in the first place.

 

[SalimBhai]

You have not heard of the Kashf-e hijab.





This idea that the "secular" are tolerant and only the mullahs are oppressive is nonsense. At the end of the day they both come from the same society. Their is very little difference between the oppression that the Shah did and want the Mullahs are doing.

Yes and in general where does that option of I choose what I want to do happen more often. In secular societies and Theocracies?? Forget the shah, he was a thug, non elected person

 

[SalimBhai]

Their is no difference between people who want to force women to cover their head, and people who want to force women not to cover their head. Ultimately it should be a women's choice of what she wears, however this is a concept that many cant understand.

Yes you are correct, but which of two in general enforce that? Secular or theocratic states??

 

[SalimBhai]

The Iranians who you would listen to would speak English, and therefore be better educated. That does not necessarily reflect the will of the majority. Until a fair election is held we wont know. However we do know this, the secular shah had as much respect for human rights as the mullahs. Which is zero.



The Pakistanis living in the secular western countries went their for better economic opportunities. Not because they cared for secularism. Same way mllions of Pakistanis also went for better economic opportunists in Saudi and the other Gulf countries. That does not mean they were attracted to Wahhabism.

Its only weird for you because you dont understand why they left in the first place.

You might come from not a poor background or are a majority ( muslim) in Pakistan. You ask a minority and he/she will tell you not just the money but better human rights, decency is what attracted them the most and hence stayed on.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Yes and in general where does that option of I choose what I want to do happen more often. In secular societies and Theocracies?? Forget the shah, he was a thug, non elected person

Thats more in secular western society, not Muslim ones. When secular Muslims had power in Turkey, Tunisia, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Uzebkistan, Iran etc they have restricted Muslim women from covering their head. Exact same behavior when mullahs take over and force women to cover their head.

Forget the shah, he was a thug, non elected person

Which is why a democratic society is better. When Islamic parties won elections in Turkey and Tunisia they did not force mandatory hijab.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Yes and in general where does that option of I choose what I want to do happen more often. In secular societies and Theocracies?? Forget the shah, he was a thug, non elected person

I would say in democratic societies.

You might come from not a poor background or are a majority ( muslim) in Pakistan. You ask a minority and he/she will tell you not just the money but better human rights, decency is what attracted them the most and hence stayed on.

I agree that a minority would have more reasons than money for going to the west. And in a ideal society you would get both human rights and good economic opportunities. However if you had to choose , human rights, or better economic opportunities, I believe most would go for the money.

Where would a Pakistani, Muslim or minority, go to. Democratic Jamaica or Colombia, or dictatorship in Saudi or UAE?

 

[SalimBhai]

I would say in democratic societies.



I agree that a minority would have more reasons than money for going to the west. And in a ideal society you would get both human rights and good economic opportunities. However if you had to choose , human rights, or better economic opportunities, I believe most would go for the money.

Where would a Pakistani, Muslim or minority, go to. Democratic Jamaica or Colombia, or dictatorship in Saudi or UAE?

My father was a ceo of a company in dubai in the 80s. He decided to come to the USA due to better human rights and i am sure some economic factor played a part also. I know many who were like my dad.

 

[MenInG]

A major fire broke out on Saturday at Iran's notorious Evin prison, known for housing political prisoners, journalists and foreign nationals.

Videos shared online showed flames and smoke at the site in Tehran, and gunshots and explosions could be heard.

An official quoted by state media said the situation was under control, but video footage appeared to show the fire continuing after this.

Iran has been gripped for weeks by anti-government protests.

They first erupted last month after the death of 22-year-old Kurdish Iranian Mahsa Amini in police custody. Officials said she died of a heart attack, but her family disputed this, saying she was beaten by morality police.

BBC Persian's Rana Rahimpour said it is not yet known whether the situation at the prison is linked to the recent demonstrations.

But this could easily be the case, Rana said, as hundreds of the protesters have been sent to Evin.

State media has suggested the two are not linked, quoting an official who blamed "criminal elements" for the fire. Eight people were injured, state-controlled outlet IRNA said.

Speaking from inside the prison, Tehran's governor told state TV that there was a riot in a wing of the prison housing petty criminals, and the situation was now completely calm.

Images shared by IRNA reportedly showed the damage inside the prison after the fire.

Dramatic footage of the fire and smoke was first posted on social media on Saturday evening.

Gunshots and explosions were audible in several videos, and in others people could be heard outside the prison chanting "death to the dictator" - one of the main slogans of the anti-government protest movement.

One video appeared to show objects fired into the prison from outside its perimeter, followed by the sound of an explosion, according to BBC Persian.

Large crowds gathered outside the prison, traffic came to a standstill and riot police were seen entering the facility.

Even after Iranian media claimed that calm had been restored, the situation at the prison was still confused, said BBC Persian's Kasra Naji. Videos continued to appear on social media showing the fire still burning and the sound of gunshots.

Other pictures showed inmates on the roof of a section of the prison where political prisoners and many of the protestors who have been arrested in the past four weeks are kept, Kasra said.

The families of some prisoners told the BBC that they were unable to contact their relatives on the phone, which they would normally be able to do, and that internet connection around the prison appeared to have been cut off.

 

[SalimBhai]

The protests are spreading to smaller towns now.

 

[sweep_shot]

The protests are spreading to smaller towns now.

Seems like fake news. Any source?

 

[MenInG]

Concerns are mounting for an Iranian climber who took part in an international competition without a hijab.

Elnaz Rekabi, 33, could have been forced to leave the Asian Championships in South Korea early and faces being arrested and immediately transferred to prison when she returns home, according to reports denied by Tehran.

 

[dildilpak]

Concerns are mounting for an Iranian climber who took part in an international competition without a hijab.

Elnaz Rekabi, 33, could have been forced to leave the Asian Championships in South Korea early and faces being arrested and immediately transferred to prison when she returns home, according to reports denied by Tehran.

This is horrible, now they are enforcing dress code even on people outside the country. Is there no end to this patriarchal madness?

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Seems like fake news. Any source?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It feels like a dream to watch this video. <br><br>Am I watching a movie?<br><br>Young school girls, no older than 10-12, with their headscarves in hand, march confidently down the Iran street while chanting, "women, life, freedom!"<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MahsaAmini?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MahsaAmini</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ZhinaAmini?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ZhinaAmini</a> <a href="https://t.co/XcyqnjIhNc">pic.twitter.com/XcyqnjIhNc</a></p>— Yashar Ali یاشار (@yashar) <a href="https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1582148363096465409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Iran?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Iran</a> protests are getting really, really violent. <br><br>It was not on this scale a couple of weeks ago.<br><br>Now that the infamous Evin Prison (where they keep political prisoners in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tehran?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Tehran</a> ) caught fire, protestors are apparently turning to rioting.<br><br>I bet the Regime falls. <a href="https://t.co/xUiBAJj3Z6">pic.twitter.com/xUiBAJj3Z6</a></p>— Jason Jay Smart (@officejjsmart) <a href="https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1581408930143444992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 15, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Cover Drive Six]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Infuriating: One day after competing without headscarf at Asian Climbing Competition, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Iran?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Iran</a>’s Elnaz Rekabi has gone missing, phone confiscated, <a href="https://twitter.com/IranWireEnglish?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IranWireEnglish</a> reports that she is being flown to Evin prison. Cruel doesn’t even begin to describe it: <a href="https://t.co/HMkxh4n2lN">pic.twitter.com/HMkxh4n2lN</a></p>— Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) <a href="https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1582190581580591104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 18, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[James]

<b>A 15-year-old girl died in north-west Iran last week after she was beaten by security forces during a raid on her school, a teachers' union has alleged.</b>

Asra Panahi was one of several students injured in the incident in Ardabil, a statement posted by the Co-ordinating Council of Teachers Syndicates said.

They were attacked by security forces when they refused to sing an anthem praising the supreme leader, it added.

But officials rejected the report and state TV said Asra had a heart problem.

A number of teenage girls are reported to been killed since anti-government protests swept across Iran a month ago.

Activists and relatives have blamed security forces for their deaths - something authorities have denied.

The unrest erupted after the death in custody of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman arrested by morality police in Tehran on 13 September for allegedly violating Iran's strict rules requiring women to cover their hair with a hijab.

Two weeks ago, schoolgirls began demonstrating in classrooms, playgrounds and on the streets, in an unprecedented show of support for the women-led protests against the hijab law and the clerical establishment.

Videos posted online have shown them waving their headscarves in the air, confronting male officials and shouting slogans including "Woman, life, freedom" and "Death to the dictator" - a reference to the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, a Shia Muslim cleric who has final say on all state matters.

Some have also been filmed tearing up photographs of the ayatollah.

A statement from the Ardabil Teachers' Union, posted by the Co-ordinating Council of Teachers Syndicates on Telegram, accused authorities of illegally forcing girls at Shahed High School in Ardabil to take part in a pro-government event on Wednesday, at which they were ordered to perform an anthem that praises the supreme leader.

At the beginning of the event, a number of students started chanting against the government, prompting male and female security personnel in plain clothes to insult and beat many of them, the statement alleged.

Later, once the students had returned to their classrooms, they raided the school and beat some of the students again, it said.

Seven students were injured and 10 were arrested, it added.

The statement said Asra Panahi was among those who were injured and that she died later in hospital.

Her death has triggered protests by residents of Ardabil since Saturday.

Videos posted on social media have shown a crowd chanting "Freedom, Freedom, Freedom" and security forces clashing with stone-throwing protesters.

State TV cited Asra's uncle as saying in an interview that she had underlying heart problems and that the cause of her death was cardiac arrest.

Relatives of two other teenage girls who have died during the recent unrest - Nika Shakarami and Sarina Esmailzadeh - gave similar interviews to state TV, repeating the official narrative that security forces were not responsible.

Ardabil's member of parliament, Kazem Musavi, meanwhile told the Didban Iran news site that Asra had taken her own life by swallowing pills.

The retired Iranian football star Ali Daei, who was born in Ardabil and has expressed his support for the protests, rejected both claims in a post on his Instagram account and challenged authorities to tell the truth.

"History has proven who the liars are," he wrote.

The UN Human Rights Office has said it is deeply worried by the "unabated violent response by security forces against protesters, and reports of arbitrary arrests and the killing and detention of children".

"Some sources suggest that as many as 23 children have been killed and many others injured in at least seven provinces by live ammunition, metal pellets at close range and fatal beatings," spokeswoman Ravina Shamdasani said on Tuesday.

She added that a number of schools had also been raided and children arrested by security forces, while some principals had been arrested for not co-operating with security forces.

Last week, Iran's education minister also confirmed that an unspecified number of children had been sent to "psychological centres" after they were arrested allegedly for participating in protests.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-63311605

 

[rhony]

The Iranian women made a mistake. Instead of fighting just for the hijab, they tried to grow this movement into an anti establishment , anti Ayatollah mini revolution. It won't work! Iran won't have any international pressure. They are already sanctioned. Pick your battles!!

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Iranian women made a mistake. Instead of fighting just for the hijab, they tried to grow this movement into an anti establishment , anti Ayatollah mini revolution. It won't work! Iran won't have any international pressure. They are already sanctioned. Pick your battles!!

People living in the west are sadly the most dumbed down humans , feed on any propaganda.

You wont see it on the BBC or CNN but tens of thousands have been protesting in support of Iran and its headwear policy.

The majority of Iranians are happy with their laws.

Its hilarious this thread is still going .

 

[KingKhanWC]

50% of Iranians have no rights and are forced to wear head coverings that 95% of their mothers chose not to wear before the revolution.

Iranian women never wanted to wear headscarves. They had a choice until 1979 and they almost all chose not to.

Headscarves in Iran are a form of imprisonment, and a form of male subjugation of women.

The majority support this.

Or do you want them to do what some Bangladeshi, feeling English living in Australia wants?

 

[rhony]

People living in the west are sadly the most dumbed down humans , feed on any propaganda.

You wont see it on the BBC or CNN but tens of thousands have been protesting in support of Iran and its headwear policy.

The majority of Iranians are happy with their laws.

Its hilarious this thread is still going .

Most don't care about what women wear. I personally will punch anyone that objects to what I wear. Wearing or not wearing hijab is their choice. What you are seeing in the west is the woke gang that's anti establishment. They will oppose everything any govt does

 

[KingKhanWC]

Most don't care about what women wear. I personally will punch anyone that objects to what I wear. Wearing or not wearing hijab is their choice. What you are seeing in the west is the woke gang that's anti establishment. They will oppose everything any govt does

I didnt realise you were a female but I agree most dont care.

Its anti-Iranian propaganda because they dont show you, MOST Iranians support the head covering law. This is democracy isnt it?

 

[rhony]

I didnt realise you were a female but I agree most dont care.

Its anti-Iranian propaganda because they dont show you, MOST Iranians support the head covering law. This is democracy isnt it?

This has repurcussions to men with turbans. Atleast the Muslims for hijab in India are arguing that way. It's another useless lawsuit in India. Men or women, anybody should or should not be able to wear whatever the heck they want. The majority cannot dictate what others wear. Or not wear. It's an individual choice. The judgement in Iran and India should be the same. Nothing should be mandatory. Wear or don't wear whatever you want.

 

[sweep_shot]

People living in the west are sadly the most dumbed down humans , feed on any propaganda.

You wont see it on the BBC or CNN but tens of thousands have been protesting in support of Iran and its headwear policy.

The majority of Iranians are happy with their laws.

Its hilarious this thread is still going .

You are correct.

Not everyone in Iran opposes Iranian government. It seems like a small percentage of people are participating in this pointless protest.

I think Iranian government should start to arrest these protesters. They are simply being disruptive.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This has repurcussions to men with turbans. Atleast the Muslims for hijab in India are arguing that way. It's another useless lawsuit in India. Men or women, anybody should or should not be able to wear whatever the heck they want. The majority cannot dictate what others wear. Or not wear. It's an individual choice. The judgement in Iran and India should be the same. Nothing should be mandatory. Wear or don't wear whatever you want.

There has to be some sort of line, you cannot go around naked but wearing clothes doesnt have the same issue.

If the vast majority agree on modest dress, it should be the case. You cannot have a small minority to dictate to you as they could be part of an outside destabaslising force, which is the case here.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are correct.

Not everyone in Iran opposes Iranian government. It seems like a small percentage of people are participating in this pointless protest.

I think Iranian government should start to arrest these protesters. They are simply being disruptive.

Worldwide Rallies Show Unprecedented Support For Iran Protests

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202210012118

West should have learned by now, an attack on Iran or its culture only brings Iranians together and makes the nation stronger.

The lies on MSM are becoming a joke now, to this day they still claim the female was beaten to death when the video clearly shows she had some sort of cardiac arrest even before being touched.

 

[SalimBhai]

First off, There is no proof of majority wanting the head scarf . As I mentioned earlier, when you leave Iran and the pilot says we are out of Iranian airspace the first thing all the women do is take that scarf off. Also 100 percent women in Iran wear the scarf.However you see none wearing it in western countries. SO I would think most women and not very found of the garment. You should be able to wear whatever you want. The state should have no opinion on this. Also the girl didm not die from cardiac arrests. According to her family members there were bruises on her dead body. Also more women have been killed since then also.

 

[sweep_shot]

First off, There is no proof of majority wanting the head scarf . As I mentioned earlier, when you leave Iran and the pilot says we are out of Iranian airspace the first thing all the women do is take that scarf off. Also 100 percent women in Iran wear the scarf.However you see none wearing it in western countries. SO I would think most women and not very found of the garment. You should be able to wear whatever you want. The state should have no opinion on this. Also the girl didm not die from cardiac arrests. According to her family members there were bruises on her dead body. Also more women have been killed since then also.

Your post shows these are all your assumptions and not facts.

If every Iranian rejected Iranian government, how do you think they are still in power? There probably would've been coups and whatnot.

 

[MenInG]

Iranian climber Elnaz Rekabi will not be punished or suspended after competing without a headscarf in South Korea, the country's Olympic committee president Mahmoud Khosravi Vafa said on Thursday.

Rekabi, 33, competed without a hijab during the International Federation of Sport Climbing's Asia Championships in Seoul on Sunday. She said her hijab had fallen off by mistake.

Supporters of Rekabi remain worried for her as other athletes have been harassed by the government for supporting the weeks-long protests in Iran.

Activists say security forces have already killed more than 200 people and arrested thousands in a continuing crackdown on dissent.

Mr Khosravi Vafa told AP there was no reason to take disciplinary action against Rekabi because not wearing her headscarf was an “unintentional” act.

https://www.msn.com/en-ae/sports/ot...sedgntp&cvid=a9141cb8280d42f9939fd3abbd70d617

 

[SalimBhai]

Your post shows these are all your assumptions and not facts.

If every Iranian rejected Iranian government, how do you think they are still in power? There probably would've been coups and whatnot.

No you are assuming many things. I never said all the people are against the regime. But I think if there were a fair proper elections the regime would lose. There are protests every few years which get crushed brutally . So I would come to the conclusion that there is some opposition Regarding the dead girl. Her parents say there were bruises. Also many more girls have been killed since. I know according to you those girls very bad students with bad gpa . But nobody deserves to die for not wanting to west a pierce of garment

 

[MenInG]

Football's world governing Fifa has been called on to ban Iran from the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.

A group of Iranian football and sports personalities have sent a formal request to the body asking for it to suspend the Iranian Football Association.

They claim government intervention - by stopping women entering stadia in Iran - contravenes Fifa rules.

"Neutrality from Fifa is not an option," the group said.

It comes amid a violent crackdown by the country's security forces against widespread anti-government protests.

The request also follows a similar call from human rights group Open Stadiums last month.

Fifa has been approached by BBC Sport to comment.

"Iran's brutality and belligerence towards its own people has reached a tipping point, demanding an unequivocal and firm disassociation from the footballing and sports world," the group said.

"Women have been consistently denied access to stadia across the country and systematically excluded from the football ecosystem in Iran, which sharply contrasts with Fifa's values and statutes.

"If women are not allowed into stadia across the country, and the Iranian Football Federation is simply following and enforcing governmental guidelines, they cannot be seen as an independent organisation and free from any form or kind of influence. This is a violation of (Article 19) of Fifa's statutes."

While no official ban on women entering sports grounds where men are playing is in place in Iran, they are frequently denied entry.

Earlier this year, Fifa wrote to authorities requesting they permit more women into stadiums, and some women were allowed to attend selected matches in Iran's Persian Gulf Pro League.

The group - supported by a Spanish law firm - say other nations have been suspended in the past for similar violations.

"The Fifa Council can and must immediately suspend Iran," they add.

"Fifa shouldn't allow participation by a country that is actively persecuting its women, athletes and children only for their exercising their most basic human rights."

BBC

 

[sweep_shot]

Football's world governing Fifa has been called on to ban Iran from the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.

A group of Iranian football and sports personalities have sent a formal request to the body asking for it to suspend the Iranian Football Association.

They claim government intervention - by stopping women entering stadia in Iran - contravenes Fifa rules.

"Neutrality from Fifa is not an option," the group said.

It comes amid a violent crackdown by the country's security forces against widespread anti-government protests.

The request also follows a similar call from human rights group Open Stadiums last month.

Fifa has been approached by BBC Sport to comment.

"Iran's brutality and belligerence towards its own people has reached a tipping point, demanding an unequivocal and firm disassociation from the footballing and sports world," the group said.

"Women have been consistently denied access to stadia across the country and systematically excluded from the football ecosystem in Iran, which sharply contrasts with Fifa's values and statutes.

"If women are not allowed into stadia across the country, and the Iranian Football Federation is simply following and enforcing governmental guidelines, they cannot be seen as an independent organisation and free from any form or kind of influence. This is a violation of (Article 19) of Fifa's statutes."

While no official ban on women entering sports grounds where men are playing is in place in Iran, they are frequently denied entry.

Earlier this year, Fifa wrote to authorities requesting they permit more women into stadiums, and some women were allowed to attend selected matches in Iran's Persian Gulf Pro League.

The group - supported by a Spanish law firm - say other nations have been suspended in the past for similar violations.

"The Fifa Council can and must immediately suspend Iran," they add.

"Fifa shouldn't allow participation by a country that is actively persecuting its women, athletes and children only for their exercising their most basic human rights."

BBC

If FIFA bans Iran, it can set a dangerous precedence. Other groups may start to pressurize different countries for other reasons.

FIFA should continue to stay neutral here.

 

[MenInG]

Thousands of people, including many of Iranian origin, marched on Saturday in Washington to show support for nationwide protests in Iran sparked by the death of Mahsa Amini last month.

They chanted slogans such as “Women, life, freedom” and “Justice for Iran” as they walked from the National Mall — the vast green expanse that is home to the Washington Monument — to the White House.

Siamak Aram, one of the organisers, said attendance would surpass 10,000 by the end of the procession and that this was the fifth such rally in Washington, in solidarity with women-led protests in Iran that are now in their sixth week.

“I believe this is the biggest one,” Aram told AFP.

 

[MenInG]

A large crowd has protested at the cemetery in north-western Iran where Mahsa Amini is buried, as activists called for demonstrations to mark 40 days since her death in police custody.

Videos posted online showed that hundreds of men and women defied security forces to gather in Saqqez.

They were heard shouting "Woman, life, freedom" and "Death to the dictator".

They are two of the signature chants of the anti-government unrest that has swept across Iran since Ms Amini died.

The 22-year-old Kurdish woman was detained by the morality police in the capital, Tehran, on 13 September for allegedly wearing her hijab "improperly".

She fell into a coma after collapsing at a detention centre and died three days later. There were reports that officers beat her on the head with a baton and banged her head against a vehicle, but the police denied that she was mistreated and said she suffered a heart attack.

 

[SalimBhai]

The crowds in the videos online are massive. Hope it stays peaceful and the brutal regime behaves.

 

[90MPH]

Don't listen to 90mph

These protestors are mainly kurdish and its been hijacked by kurdish nationalists who most are not even proper orthodox Muslims no concept of namaz roza deen

The iranian regime has been having a hard time in the kurdish area where this girl originally hailed from.

Iran has now threatened the goverment of kurdistan in Iraq since they are the centre for being allies of Israelis and causing unrest in Iran, Turkey and supporting rojava in Syria where syrian oil is being stolen by usa facilitated by their guns for hire the kurds .

It’s not just Kurds, if you think it’s only Kurds you are dumb as bricks.

Most Iranians didn’t want a theocracy in place and certainly one that doesn’t have a backward ideology but also has given them no economic prosperity either over the last 40 years.

 

[90MPH]

The Iranians who you would listen to would speak English, and therefore be better educated. That does not necessarily reflect the will of the majority. Until a fair election is held we wont know. However we do know this, the secular shah had as much respect for human rights as the mullahs. Which is zero.



The Pakistanis living in the secular western countries went their for better economic opportunities. Not because they cared for secularism. Same way mllions of Pakistanis also went for better economic opportunists in Saudi and the other Gulf countries. That does not mean they were attracted to Wahhabism.

Its only weird for you because you dont understand why they left in the first place.

No I just find it hypocritical that some Pakistanis are defending a right wing religious theocracy and it’s draconian rules while they themselves would never live under such a despotic regime.
You really think the vast majority of Iranians want the hijab imposed on them by force you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Iran has had so many protests over the years and if you think it’s some Kurd conspiracy you are not bright either because it would have been shut down a long time ago if it was only Kurds.
But if anything the fact it’s been happening for over 6 weeks show it isn’t just some minority Kurd uprising. It’s not that hard to figure out honestly.
The roots of course isn’t just the religious restrictions but the economic problems that has only got worse over the last few decades. Yes Western especially American sanctions have played a part but also massive economic mismanagement by the mullahs for decades - too focused on oversea adventures. E.G. Where did all the money go when the Iranian nuclear deal was made, close to $150 billion. Most likely the mullahs in charge gave it to hands of the elites and funding proxy wars abroad.

Yeah how wonderful the mullahs are going to do a fair election one day so only then we would find out how popular they really are - eh no that is never happening because they would be out in power very quickly. There is a reason you can only vote for a hard line religion goon or one slightly less fanatical in Iran.

 

[SalimBhai]

Fair election . Yeah right. I think majority of Iranians are under 30 and don’t want anything to do with the regime . The regime will fall in our lifetime. Not this time though.

 

[Realromeo]

Fair election . Yeah right. I think majority of Iranians are under 30 and don’t want anything to do with the regime . The regime will fall in our lifetime. Not this time though.

How ? Only way is if their military takes over. They dont have sufficient rival.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Fair election . Yeah right. I think majority of Iranians are under 30 and don’t want anything to do with the regime . The regime will fall in our lifetime. Not this time though.

You think? Thats lovely but do you any more evidence for this assertion apart from thinking?

Millions protested in favour of Iran regarding this made up coloured revolution from the west.

 

[SalimBhai]

You think? Thats lovely but do you any more evidence for this assertion apart from thinking?

Millions protested in favour of Iran regarding this made up coloured revolution from the west.

I am just offering my opinion based oil my visit to Iran, having many Iranian friends and seeing where the country stands on human rights (within the country) state of economy and so fort. It is pretty obvious to come to that conclusion. It will not happen this time, but it will fall in next few decades. All brutal regimes fall eventually. There were NO Millions of protests in favor of the brutal Regime..NONE

 

[MenInG]

Amid the ongoing anti-hijab protests in Iran, celebrity chef Mehrshad Shahidi, who was also known as Iran's Jamie Oliver, was allegedly beaten to death by the nation's Revolutionary Guard forces, the day before his 20th birthday. His "ruthless" killing triggered an outpouring of grief in Iran, where thousands of people reportedly took to the streets on Saturday during the funeral held for Mr Shahidi.
According to The Telegraph, the 19-year-old was arrested during a protest and beaten to death with batons while in the custody of Iran's Revolutionary Guard in Arak city. He was killed after receiving blows to his skull, however, Mr Shahidi's family stated that they were pressured to say their son died of a heart attack.

The Iranian authorities, on the other hand, denied responsibility for the chef's death. As per 7News, Iran's Chief Justice Abdolmehdi Mousavi even said that there were "no signs" of fractures in his arms, legs or skull or any brain injury.

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However, on social media, several users blamed the Iranian authorities for his death. Iranian American author Dr Nina Ansary wrote, "He (Mehrshad Shahidi) was a talented young chef at Boote Restaurant. He was ruthlessly killed by security forces in Iran. Tomorrow would have been his 20th birthday. We will never forget. We will never forgive."

Another user, who claimed to be Mr Shahidi's cousin, said, "For #MehrshadShahidi , my innocent 19-year-old cousin, who was killed yesterday in Iran. After work, on his way back to home, he was attacked by tear gas, felt off his motorcycle, and kidnapped ..., later on, they called his family to come and receive his dead body.."

A third commented, "Another bright light taken from us. From the city of my Grandfather's birth. What does it say about government willing to murder it's youngest and brightest citizens".

Meanwhile, hundreds of people have been reportedly killed by Iranian security forces during the protests which began following the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini, who died while in the custody of Iran's morality police after being arrested for not wearing her hijab properly. However, Iranian authorities have sought to portray the protest movement as a plot hatched by its arch-enemy the United States.

NDTV

 

[MenInG]

Fractures are appearing within Iran’s ruling political elite over a nationwide popular uprising that has lasted more than seven weeks and challenged the Islamic Republic like rarely before in its 43 years of existence.

The rifts so far are less potentially cataclysmic than the splits that appeared within the political and clerical ruling classes following the 2009 outpouring of popular mass protests triggered by the disputed reelection of a hardline president. It also remains unclear whether any moderation in tone reflects shifting policy or empty gestures by a spooked leadership aimed at calming tempers and slowing down protests.

“I hope security will be completely restored in the country soon, so that legitimate and necessary changes would begin to establish a new kind of governance in economic, social and political areas within the frameworks of the Islamic Republic,” the parliamentary speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, a hardliner, was quoted as saying this week just days after he called for crushing the protests.

Analysts say shifts are significant, showing the protest movement is having a measure of success in sowing confusion, panic and discord within the top ranks of a regime that is dominated by hardliners. There are also signs that the regime is beginning to reckon with the protesters as a legitimate social force.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=4b6efba6f68d49d2d58f51b7c562a122

 

[ex-q-zit]

‘Where is the freedom?’ Elderly cleric speaks out on behalf of Iran’s youth protest movement

A 75-year-old Iranian cleric has emerged as an unlikely champion of a protest movement led by young men and women seeking to throw off the shackles of the country’s Islamic theocracy.

Abdolhamid Ismail-Zai, often referred to by the honorific Molavi by his supporters, is Iran’s top Sunni Muslim cleric as well as a spiritual and political leader for the country’s ethnic Baluch population. In the face of unrelenting regime violence targeting protesters in the country’s most Baluch southeast, he has grown increasingly fiery in his public statements against the regime.

On Friday, a week after regime gunmen shot dead at least 18 unarmed protesters in several cities across the Baluch heartland, Mr Abdolhamid disclosed that regime insiders had offered to buy the silence of the families of the dead. They refused, he said. They wanted justice instead.

“We do not want money,” he said in his Friday prayer sermon. “Who were the people who made this happen, and for what reason? The people who were responsible for this must be brought to justice. This was the demand of the martyrs’ families.”

Mr Abdolhamid has long been a thorn in the side of regime hardliners. But speaking at his lectern at the Makki mosque in the provincial capital of Zahedan, the cleric on Friday delivered what was possibly his most pointed speech yet.

He decried the lack of freedoms under the Islamic regime. He blasted members of parliament for their harsh stance toward protests sparked by the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini. He called for changes to domestic and foreign policy, and the release of thousands of political prisoners.

“We do not have freedom in the Islamic Republic,” he said. “Where is the freedom? Where is the freedom of press? Where is the freedom of expression? Everything is censored. Everything is restricted.”

He said: ”A large part of the Iranian people is protesting. A majority of the people of Iran have objections, are unsatisfied. I urge regime leaders to listen to them.”

After his sermon, worshippers poured into the streets of Zahedan chanting against supreme leader Ali Khamenei and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, the regime’s praetorian guard. “Death to Khamenei” they cried. “Death to the Corps!”

Protests erupted after Friday prayers in other Baluch cities as well, including the crucial port city of Chabahar. Protesters in Iranshahr could be seen throwing rocks and setting fires ablaze to halt the advance of security forces firing weaponry. Small cities such as Rask, Khash and Saravan – scenes of recent massacres by regime gunmen – erupted in protests.

On Friday, Amnesty International issued a statement accusing the regime of targeting the country’s southeast with exceptional brutality. “Protesters from the oppressed Baluchi minority have borne the brunt of the security forces’ particularly vicious crackdown on demonstrations,” said the statement.

Baluch is a distinct ethnic group straddling the deserts between Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan. Iran’s Baluch have faced decades of discrimination because of their ethnic and religious statuses in a country dominated by Persians and Azeris of the Shia branch of Islam.

In recent days, Mr Abdolhamid has questioned why Iranian security forces use teargas and birdshot to confront protesters in Persian cities but have used live fire against ethnic Baluch and Kurds. More than a quarter of the 330 people killed in eight weeks of protests hail from the country’s southeast, nearly 100 of them from a 30 September massacre in the city of Zahedan, now referred to as Black Friday.

Amnesty said that it had recorded the names of at least 100 people, including 16 children, killed in protests in Baluchistan. Some killed during 4 November protests were reportedly bystanders not taking part in any political action.

Mr Abdolhamid has been outspoken and critical of regime policies for years, and has been subject to travel restrictions by the regime. He has been described as a charismatic political figure.

He has criticised Tehran’s treatment of Iran’s Sunni minority but has also been critical of armed separatist guerilla groups that have fought regime forces. During eight weeks of anti-regime protests, he has emerged as a rare and outspoken supporter of the public within the elite ranks of the regime’s clerical and political leadership.

Mr Abdolhamid recently called for a referendum on the country’s future, enraging regime hardliners, who accused him of provoking more unrest. One Baluchistan political insider said Mr Abdolhamid went further in his latest speech than he has ever gone before, but he remained circumspect, couching his critiques in religious parables.

“He doesn’t want the regime to accuse him of provoking violence,” the insider said.

Mr Khamenei appoints all Friday prayer leaders and posts at provincial capitals such as Zahedan are especially coveted. He has defrocked clerics deemed insufficiently loyal, but punishing the de facto leader of Iran’s Sunni minority at a moment of great political volatility could risk further inflaming passions.

Mr Abdolhamid avoided direct criticism of Mr Khamenei in his speech. But at one point he mocked the 227 members of parliament who reportedly signed onto a letter demanding death penalties for those protesting,

"The parliament is the nation’s house,” he said. “Representatives represent the people. You have to listen to people. You have to defend the people so that the bullets of war are not fired at them.”

MSN

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Canadian Prime Minister <a href="https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JustinTrudeau</a>, who has more than 6.3 million followers on Twitter, tweeted fake news in which he claimed Iran planned to execute 15,000 protesters. <br><br>He deleted the tweet but neither corrected himself nor apologized for the fake news he spread. <a href="https://t.co/wsIP0zXs4q">pic.twitter.com/wsIP0zXs4q</a></p>— Press TV (@PressTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1592894567996854277?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[SalimBhai]

People have been sentenced to death and some have been shot in the head. Two boys I believe. 15k is a made up number though. For now.

 

[SalimBhai]

Khomenis house is on fire now.

 

[MenInG]

Khomenis house is on fire now.

Protesters in Iran have set fire to the ancestral home of the founder of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

Images posted on social media show part of the structure in the city of Khomein being set ablaze.

News agencies have verified the videos' location, but regional authorities denied there had been an arson attack.

Ayatollah Khomeini is said to have been born in the house, which is now a museum that commemorates his life.

Khomeini was the leader of Iran's Islamic revolution in 1979, which deposed the country's pro-Western leader, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, and ushered in the theocratic state that still exists today.

He served as the first supreme leader of Iran until his death in 1989, which is still marked by a day of mourning each year.

Social media videos from Khomein show dozens of people cheering as the fire breaks out. An activist network said the footage was taken on Thursday evening.

However, Khomein county's press office denied there had been any attack to the semi-official Tasnim news agency.

The agency said a small number of people had gathered outside the house and later shared a video of the house, saying it was open to "pilgrims and lovers of the deceased Imam".

"The doors of the house of the late founder of the great revolution are open to the public," the agency added.

BBC

 

[James]

Iran's Supreme Leader Vows to Finish 'Evil' Women's Rights Protesters

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei vowed on Saturday to finish the "evil" women rights protesters and other demonstrators who have taken to the streets to defy his authoritarian regime despite a draconian crackdown that has left hundreds dead.

The large-scale anti-government demonstrations began across the country in mid-September after the death of Mahsa Amini, a 22-year-old woman who was arrested by Iran's conservative morality police for showing too much of her hair. Under Iran's ultra-conservative laws, women are required to wear headscarves in public, and face arrest and fines if authorities do not believe they are adequately adhering to modesty standards.

After Amini died following her arrest and alleged abuse at the hands of the morality police, demonstrations took place in Tehran and other major cities. Iran's hardline government responded by cracking down violently, resulting in the death of at least 362 protesters—including 56 children, according to the Iranian Human Rights Activists News Agency (HRANA). Some 16,000 demonstrators have also been detained by security forces.

In response to international outcry and condemnation, Iran's leaders have doubled-down on their opposition to demonstrators. Speaking on Saturday, Khamenei promised to continue to maintain a hardline against the protesters.

"The evils will be undoubtedly finished, and the Iranian nation will continue to move forward in the path of progress with more strength and a fresher spirit," the Iranian leader said, according to Iranian media.

He went on to say that Iran's goal is to "invalidate the logic of liberal democracy," which the crackdown on protesters clearly demonstrates.

"Now, if a government or a system is established in the world that rejects the logic of liberal democracy and it uses real logic to give people an identity, to give the people of its country an identity, to revive them, to awaken them, and to strengthen them while standing up to liberal democracy, this will invalidate the logic of liberal democracy. This is how the Islamic Republic is," Khamenei said.

Demonstrators have called for toppling Tehran's government and for significantly greater freedoms, particularly for women. "Woman, life, freedom" and "Death to the dictator," a reference to Khamenei, have been popular chants among protesters in the streets.

Iran's judiciary has already issued at least four death sentences against individuals involved in the anti-government protests. The first was issued last Sunday, while three more were handed down on Thursday. More than 1,000 people have been indicted, and the majority of the Iranian parliament earlier this month signed a letter calling for protesters to face harsh punishments. After the letter was signed, the Iranian officials chanted "death to seditionists."

"In Iran, UNICEF remains deeply concerned by reports of children being killed, injured, and detained. Despite a lack of official data, since late September an estimated 50 children have reportedly lost their lives in the public unrest in Iran. The latest of such horrible losses was 10-year-old Kiyan who was shot dead while in the car with his family. This is terrifying and must stop," the United Nations Children's Fund said in a statement emailed to Newsweek.

Meanwhile, United Against Nuclear Iran (UANI) CEO Ambassador Mark D. Wallace said in a statement emailed to Newsweek that "the Iranian people should not have to risk their lives fighting the regime with one hand tied behind their backs."

Wallace said that the regime should be held "accountable" and that Western nations should "commit themselves to unrelenting economic pressure and diplomatic isolation against this regime."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=ca1dd6c779374c23bb9883a722b97bed

 

[MenInG]

Two prominent Iranian actresses have been arrested for publicly supporting mass anti-government protests, the country's state-run media reports.

Hengameh Ghaziani and Katayoun Riahi are accused of collusion and acting against Iran's authorities, Irna news agency says.

Both women earlier appeared in public without their headscarves - a gesture of solidarity with demonstrators.

The protests erupted in September after the death of a woman in police custody.

Mahsa Amini, 22, was detained by morality police in the capital, Tehran, for allegedly breaking the strict hijab rules. She died on 16 September, three days later.

There were reports that officers beat her with a baton and banged her head against a vehicle, but police denied that she was mistreated and said she suffered a heart attack.

Ms Ghaziani and Ms Riahi - both multiple-award winning actresses - were detained on Sunday on the orders of Iran's prosecutor's office, Irna says.

Before the arrest, Ms Ghaziani wrote on social media that "whatever happens, know that as always I will stand with the people of Iran".



BBC

 

[Justcrazy]

There has to be some sort of line, you cannot go around naked but wearing clothes doesnt have the same issue.

If the vast majority agree on modest dress, it should be the case. You cannot have a small minority to dictate to you as they could be part of an outside destabaslising force, which is the case here.

I guess most countries have laws against public nuditity.

 

[MenInG]

 

[ex-q-zit]

Iran Team Refuses To Sing National Anthem Ahead Of FIFA World Cup Game Against England In Support Of Anti-Government Protestors Back Home

Iran's players did not sing their national anthem before their first game of the World Cup against England on Monday, in apparent support for anti-government protesters in their homeland. Ahead of the game in Qatar, captain Alireza Jahanbakhsh said the team would decide together whether or not to refuse to sing the anthem in a show of solidarity for demonstrations that have rocked the regime in Iran. The Iranian players stood impassively and grim-faced as their anthem rang out around the Khalifa International Stadium in Doha.

Iran has been shaken by two months of nationwide protests since the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini in morality police custody on September 16. Amini, a 22-year-old Iranian of Kurdish origin, died three days after her arrest in Tehran over an alleged breach of the Islamic republic's dress code for women, which includes the mandatory hijab headscarf.

Some Iranian athletes have chosen not to sing the national anthem or celebrate their victories in support of the protesters. Jahanbakhsh, who used to play for English club Brighton, was angered last week by a question from a British journalist about the anthem issue.

"Every single player has a different celebration and you ask about national anthem and that's something that also has to be decided in the team, which we already talked about," he said.

"But we never made a big deal out of it, to be honest, because everybody is only thinking about football."

The crackdown since Amini's death has left nearly 400 people dead, according to Oslo-based group Iran Human Rights. The state's response has led to questions over whether the team represents Iran or the regime that has ruled with an iron fist since the Islamic Revolution of 1979.

NDTV

 

[SalimBhai]

Iran Team Refuses To Sing National Anthem Ahead Of FIFA World Cup Game Against England In Support Of Anti-Government Protestors Back Home

Iran's players did not sing their national anthem before their first game of the World Cup against England on Monday, in apparent support for anti-government protesters in their homeland. Ahead of the game in Qatar, captain Alireza Jahanbakhsh said the team would decide together whether or not to refuse to sing the anthem in a show of solidarity for demonstrations that have rocked the regime in Iran. The Iranian players stood impassively and grim-faced as their anthem rang out around the Khalifa International Stadium in Doha.

Iran has been shaken by two months of nationwide protests since the death of 22-year-old Mahsa Amini in morality police custody on September 16. Amini, a 22-year-old Iranian of Kurdish origin, died three days after her arrest in Tehran over an alleged breach of the Islamic republic's dress code for women, which includes the mandatory hijab headscarf.

Some Iranian athletes have chosen not to sing the national anthem or celebrate their victories in support of the protesters. Jahanbakhsh, who used to play for English club Brighton, was angered last week by a question from a British journalist about the anthem issue.

"Every single player has a different celebration and you ask about national anthem and that's something that also has to be decided in the team, which we already talked about," he said.

"But we never made a big deal out of it, to be honest, because everybody is only thinking about football."

The crackdown since Amini's death has left nearly 400 people dead, according to Oslo-based group Iran Human Rights. The state's response has led to questions over whether the team represents Iran or the regime that has ruled with an iron fist since the Islamic Revolution of 1979.

NDTV

That takes guts. They can’t go back. Maybe this is the reason why they look so flat playing. Heart is not into it? And we have people on this forum cheering then. Regime.

 

[SalimBhai]

He was a corrupt despot but I suppose people were not being oppressed in the way they wanted to dress.
Most Iranians did not want a theocracy once they disposed of the Shah but that’s what happens with unintended consequences. A revolution took place to get rid of the corrupt secular government and in place you got something much more opressive and you can argue the corruption wasn’t repaired either, along with the sanctions that have only hurt the average citerzen.

There was a secular , democratically elected government that the western powers got rid off before the shah. Shah was a dictator. The Islamic regime is a dictatorship and wildly corrupt Thee days are numbered

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Iran has been infiltrated badly.

To destroy the house of the Ayatollah is a disgrace. Western mindsets destroying the Muslim world.

 

[SalimBhai]

Iran has been infiltrated badly.

To destroy the house of the Ayatollah is a disgrace. Western mindsets destroying the Muslim world.

And the soccer team has also been infiltrated by the west? They are risking their lives and their r families for the west? No I think they are real grievances with the Islamic regime. Whose days are numbered.

 

[Markhor]

I'm generally sympathetic to Iran simply because, despite enormous pressure since 1979, they refuse to accept Saudi and Israeli hegemony of the Middle East.

They can rightly point a number of historical grievances from the 1953 overthrow of a democratic government, the West's support for the autocratic Shah, the USS Vincennes shooting down an Iranian airliner killing 290 people in 1988, being named on Bush's Axis of Evil despite 15/19 hijackers on 9/11 being from Saudi Arabia (the REAL state sponsor of terror) and the Trump Administration disgracefully reneging on the Iran Nuclear Deal that Iran were complying with.

Despite being a theocracy, Iran is still more liberal in its outlook towards women than Pakistan which has adopted the hardline Saudi brand of religion.

70% of STEM graduates in Iran are women who outnumber men at universities. Iran for decades subsidised family planning and contraception to control birth rates - whereas in Pakistan mindlessly have as many kids as you like.

However Iran clearly have shot themselves in the foot with a heavyhanded response to the protests, and not for the first time. People are already restive due to economic hardships caused by sanctions. Not only is it wrong morally, but stupid strategically to give your enemies another reason to isolate you.

 

[IMMY69]

Iran has been infiltrated badly.

To destroy the house of the Ayatollah is a disgrace. Western mindsets destroying the Muslim world.

If you believe in god and you particularly follow the Muslim religion you should favour this "house" being eliminated from the face of this world. Thereafter the house of saud should be destroyed, ideally simultaneously and without the "help" of Foreign entities...

Stop allowing people to rule in the name of Islam

 

[ex-q-zit]

Two prominent Iranian actresses arrested - state media

Two prominent Iranian actresses have been arrested for publicly supporting mass anti-government protests, the country's state-run media reports.

Hengameh Ghaziani and Katayoun Riahi are accused of collusion and acting against Iran's authorities, Irna news agency says.

Both women earlier appeared in public without their headscarves - a gesture of solidarity with demonstrators.

The protests erupted in September after the death of a woman in police custody.

Mahsa Amini, 22, was detained by morality police in the capital, Tehran, for allegedly breaking the strict hijab rules. She died on 16 September, three days later.

There were reports that officers beat her with a baton and banged her head against a vehicle, but police denied that she was mistreated and said she suffered a heart attack.

Ms Ghaziani and Ms Riahi - both multiple-award winning actresses - were detained on Sunday on the orders of Iran's prosecutor's office, Irna says.

Before the arrest, Ms Ghaziani wrote on social media that "whatever happens, know that as always I will stand with the people of Iran".

"This maybe my last post," she added.

The actresses are among a number of high-profile Iranian public figures to have expressed support for the protesters rallying against the country's clerical establishment.

Earlier on Sunday, Ehsan Hajsafi, captain of Iran's national football team at the World Cup in Qatar, said that "we have to accept that the conditions in our country are not right and our people are not happy".

Separately, the head of Iran's boxing federation, Hossein Soori, announced that he would not be returning home from a tournament in Spain due to the violent suppression of the protests in his home country.

Human rights activists have said that some 400 demonstrators have been killed and 16,800 others arrested in a crackdown by security forces.

Iran's leaders say the protests are "riots" orchestrated by the country's foreign enemies.

At least five protesters have been sentenced to death in connection with the demonstrations.

BBC

 

[James]

Wonder what will happen to the Iran players now, after they protested the anthem. It can’t have gone down particularly well in Tehran.

 

[mazkhan]

Large amounts of turks , kurds and iranians are actually not orthodox muslim they are Muslims by name most actually are cults and believe in paganism they think islam is an Arab thing .

Iranian shia regime has a massive rebellion on its hands a lot of these kurds etc in the west of the country aren't muslim .

Subhanallah that's why it's amazing how Afghans, pakistanis , indians and Bangladeshis, Indonesians etc are more muslim and love islam so much they are more practicing than many of these arabs turks and iranians .

 

[KingKhanWC]

Wonder what will happen to the Iran players now, after they protested the anthem. It can’t have gone down particularly well in Tehran.

They should be sacked from the Int team and rightly so. You cant protest like this and expect to be greeted by the Iranian people with flowers esp getting hammered by England!

Large amounts of turks , kurds and iranians are actually not orthodox muslim they are Muslims by name most actually are cults and believe in paganism they think islam is an Arab thing .

Iranian shia regime has a massive rebellion on its hands a lot of these kurds etc in the west of the country aren't muslim .

Subhanallah that's why it's amazing how Afghans, pakistanis , indians and Bangladeshis, Indonesians etc are more muslim and love islam so much they are more practicing than many of these arabs turks and iranians .

I dont agree. Iranians , mostly Shia resisted and rose up against the western puppet Shah and since are independent. Asian nations are still pretty much slaves of the west in many areas.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

If you believe in god and you particularly follow the Muslim religion you should favour this "house" being eliminated from the face of this world. Thereafter the house of saud should be destroyed, ideally simultaneously and without the "help" of Foreign entities...

Stop allowing people to rule in the name of Islam

You need to study history my friend. Big difference between House of Saud and Khomeini.