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The Jasprit Bumrah workload myth: Is opting out of the 2nd Test against England justified?

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I have a huge problem with Bumrah opting out of the 2nd Test of a 5-match series in England with India 1-0 down.

England vs India Test series is one of the biggest spectacles in Test cricket. Perhaps, it's the third biggest series on the calendar after the Ashes and the BGT.

For me, this is a terrible look. A 31-year-old with only 46 Tests under his belt is sitting out after just 1 Test when his team is 1-0 down.

Not to forget, he completely flopped on the 5th day of the first Test in spite of having a big total to defend, so a player with fire in his belly and who wants to win matches for his country would be raring to go to make amends and make it 1-1.

This is a must-win match for India because if England go 2-0 up, India’s chances of winning this series are pretty much gone.

Indian fans would defend everything, but their media would have lambasted Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Rabada or any other foreign bowler etc., had they sat out after 1 Test like Bumrah has, especially with their team 1-0 down.

Indians like to compare Bumrah to every great fast bowler in history, but how many of them would chicken out of the second Test of a 5 match series with their team 1-0 down?

This “workload” is a self-constructed myth anyway. India’s next Test series is in October when WI will tour India for 2 Tests, and he can easily skip that one, so in reality, there is no workload to manage.

Let’s expose this workload myth further. Since January 2023, 16 bowlers have bowled more deliveries in international cricket than Bumrah.

9 pacers have bowled more deliveries than Bumrah.

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Cummins has bowled 1,396 more deliveries in the last two years while carrying the added burden of captaining the team, and yet, you don't see him opting out of matches, and Australia doesn't talk about his workload management on every tour.

35-year-old Starc has bowled 1,266 more deliveries in the last two years.

34-year-old Hazlewood has bowled 460 more deliveries.

36-year-old Southee has bowled 420 more deliveries.

Shaheen Afridi, who has probably never been 100% fit since the 2022 T20 WC, has also bowled more deliveries than Bumrah, and so has Rabada.

This is clear evidence that Bumrah's workload is not higher than most other pacers, yet Bumrah acts as if he does India and the game of cricket a huge favor every time he bowls. This is yet another example of how India runs the narrative in cricket today and how their version becomes the ultimate truth, which no one can question.

Imagine talking about the "workload" of a 31-year-old fast bowler who isn't even in the top 9 in terms of most deliveries bowled by a fast bowler in the last two years. But but but saar we have to manage his workload or he will die.

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Interesting and backed by facts.
But he is not the only one who can turn things around in India's favour. They have a balanced squad. It was probably dropped catches that cost them the first Test. Let's see how it goes without him.
 
This is the first time he is taking a rest in between a series because he just recovered from a serious injury and had a surgery a few months ago.


@Mamoon made a thread about Bumrahs workload after he skipped his first test between a series. believe me, this is the first instance of him taking rest between a series and its totally justified because of the fact that he had a freaking surgery.

Pakistani fans are getting desperate now , because there is no stat or parameter related yo cricket where they can actually call Bumrah out so they resort to these idiotic posts.

Also @Mamoon do you remember how you chickened out of pp when India won the CT 2025 and your prediction regarding Babar “runs will start flowing in 2025” turned south. :yk
 
Another idiotic thing - this is a must win match because if we lose this match the next match will become a must win match,lol.

First the OP needs to understand the definition of a “must win game”.
 
LOL... Bumrah made no difference in the 1st test... India lost the game because Bumrah could not take wickets in the 4th inning... He takes rest or not, it makes no difference..

Untill India as a team clicks and their bolwing unit learns to make an impact rathar than just depending on Bumrah only, they can will not win the series.
 
If they are still managing his injury, what’s the logic to even pick him; pick players who are fit enough for the entire series, obviously, at some point they might get rested in this day and age, but the 2nd match? That’s excessive babying of the bowler really unless he is made of ice and already needs to go into the cryogenic chamber after the 1st Test. Before this, it would appear he was playing the IPL mainly.
 
If someone actually wants to understand what real mollycoddling is then just take a look at Jofra Archer.

He is the most cotton wrapped bowler in the world and hasn’t played a test since 2021, and plays a couple of t20s once in a blue moon.

Same goes for Mark Wood, the guy plays 2 or 3 tests in a 5 match series and never plays consistently.

The OP here us a big fan of Archer, first he needs to explain whats going on there.
 
He is like a Ferrari or another super car. You don't drive it in the rain or mud, or take it out for the weekly shopping or school run.

You keep it in the garage and bring it out for short stints in helpful conditions where there is no danger of damage so people can oooh and aah before you park it back in the garage.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
If someone actually wants to understand what real mollycoddling is then just take a look at Jofra Archer.

He is the most cotton wrapped bowler in the world and hasn’t played a test since 2021, and plays a couple of t20s once in a blue moon.

Same goes for Mark Wood, the guy plays 2 or 3 tests in a 5 match series and never plays consistently.

The OP here us a big fan of Archer, first he needs to explain whats going on there.
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Jofra and Mark Wood are not being brought up in the GOAT category though. People accept them as brittle bowlers.
 
@jeeteshssaxena

3 posts in 15 mins on the same topic are symptoms of triggered behavior and fuzzy thought-process. Maybe you should drink a glass of water and think about what you want to say before typing in anger.

Bumrah played all Tests in Austraia, but before every Test, his workload management was the main talking point, as if he was performing a miracle by playing every Test.

Lets be honest here. Bumrah's workload is already light. This narrative that he is being run into the ground is a complete and utter myth that is not grounded into reality. It is comical to see him opt-out of the 2nd Test. No one needs a rest after playing just one Test match, let alone someone who is only 31 years old. This is hugely embarrassing.

As far as Wood is concerned, he is the fastest bowler in the world but no one calls him the greatest thing since sliced bread. England knows he has to be used sparingly if his career is to be extended. Similarly, Archer is no doubt a huge talent but he has been injured for years and it is not about workload management for him. Rather, he is not fit enough to play, so I don't see any equivalency here.

Indian fans give out "ATG" certifications to Bumrah yet he needs to sit out of Test matches at the age of 31, that too when his team is 1-0 down in such a high profile series. As I said above, it is embarrassing.

This is a must win Test for India because it is impossible to win three Tests in a row in England. If England go 2-0 here, India's chances of winning this series are over. Therefore, India have to win this Test and Bumrah knows this too, but he is a sissy.

Not sure what Babar has to do with this thread. If you want to use him as a deflection it is a pretty weak deflection.
 
Virat Kohli ran away from Australia after India lost the first Test in humiliating fashion (36 all out). Bumrah chickening out in England after India lost the first Test.

BCCI is brewing a very self-centered, selfish culture that doesn't bode well for the future generation. It seems like the next generation of Indian cricketers don't have the fight in them.
 
Bcci apparently have 2 billion in the bank, so surely they would pay him $10mn pa and not let him play any games except for what matters. This is test cricket and World Cups
 
You can't have the same workloads for every bowler.

The premise of the thread itself is not well considered.

Some bowlers are just naturally more durable than others who need very carefully controlled workloads.

Bumrah barely has a run up or an efficient action to begin with and needs to be monitored more carefully especially now that he is 31.
 
Mamoon said:
Virat Kohli ran away from Australia after India lost the first Test in humiliating fashion (36 all out)
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No he didn't. He had made it clear to BCCI that he would be not available after the 1st Test match on that tour due to expected birth of his child.

Try again. You are very pathetic at trolling
 
His action makes him injury prone. If he puts in the shift that Cummins does. He will break his back and knees. Cummins did also broke his back back in the day but he came back strong and now there's a mentality difference between them.
 
He’s the greatest to ever do it.

The level he’s reached clearly cannot be sustained if he’s over bowled.
 
I'll have to reluctantly withdraw my nomination of Bumrah as the GOAT if these issues of fitness & commitment to test cricket continue to persist :cautious:
 
If Nz handled Bond in the same way BCCI is managing Bumrah we might have seen another ATG pacer, but alas it was not to be.

I would love to see Bumrah play 70 matches, dont need any more from him, the likes of Holding, Roberts and Garner have played less matches too, still they ended up as ATGs.
 
31 year old Anderson and Steyn weren't sitting out of important tests like this. Like not picking him for an entire series against some weak side would make more sense. Ryan Harris played 4 tests in Ashes and then 8 consecutive tests with a broken body at age of 34-35
 
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@jeeteshssaxena

3 posts in 15 mins on the same topic are symptoms of triggered behavior and fuzzy thought-process. Maybe you should drink a glass of water and think about what you want to say before typing in anger.

Bumrah played all Tests in Austraia, but before every Test, his workload management was the main talking point, as if he was performing a miracle by playing every Test.

Lets be honest here. Bumrah's workload is already light. This narrative that he is being run into the ground is a complete and utter myth that is not grounded into reality. It is comical to see him opt-out of the 2nd Test. No one needs a rest after playing just one Test match, let alone someone who is only 31 years old. This is hugely embarrassing.

As far as Wood is concerned, he is the fastest bowler in the world but no one calls him the greatest thing since sliced bread. England knows he has to be used sparingly if his career is to be extended. Similarly, Archer is no doubt a huge talent but he has been injured for years and it is not about workload management for him. Rather, he is not fit enough to play, so I don't see any equivalency here.

Indian fans give out "ATG" certifications to Bumrah yet he needs to sit out of Test matches at the age of 31, that too when his team is 1-0 down in such a high profile series. As I said above, it is embarrassing.

This is a must win Test for India because it is impossible to win three Tests in a row in England. If England go 2-0 here, India's chances of winning this series are over. Therefore, India have to win this Test and Bumrah knows this too, but he is a sissy.

Not sure what Babar has to do with this thread. If you want to use him as a deflection it is a pretty weak deflection.
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I reply in three posts because I am using my mobile, dont worry about me, if three posts shows fuzzy thought process then what does multiple posts and threads show?

Bumrah played all tests in Aus, lets end it there. Whether People were talking about his workload management or not foes not matter, he played all the matches there and this is the first time he is taking rest after one match.

As for the decision to rest, he had a surgery just three months ago, why would BCCI want to risk his body just for one test match.?

He will start playing full series once time passes and he is sure about his body.

You know he is already an ATG and on his way to becoming a top 5 pacer in tests, Bcci needs to handle him as delicately as possible when he just had a surgery, so as to prolong his career.


Wood and Archer are not as good and they still get mollycoddled by ECB just to end up with 30+ averages in tests cricket, and obviously they won’t be called ATGs coz their numbers are as bad as Shaheen Afridi.
 
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jeeteshssaxena said:
I reply in three posts because I am using my mobile, dont worry about me, if three posts shows fuzzy thought process then what does multiple posts and threads show?

Bumrah played all tests in Aus, lets end it there. Whether People were talking about his workload management or not foes not matter, he played all the matches there and this is the first time he is taking rest after one match.

As for the decision to rest, he had a surgery just three months ago, why would BCCI want to risk his body just for one test match.?

He will start playing full series once time passes and he is sure about his body.

You know he is already an ATG and on his way to becoming a top 5 pacer in tests, Bcci needs to handle him as delicately as possible when he just had a surgery, so as to prolong his career.


Wood and Archer are not as good and they still get mollycoddled by ECB just to end up with 30+ averages in tests cricket, and obviously they won’t be called ATGs coz their numbers are as bad as Shaheen Afridi.
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Doctor stated that he is suppose to play 3 out of 5.

However india are now down 1-0. Onus is on him to help india get a 1-1.

He is their star bowler, it is expecred of him to play and help india draw it . This is the equivalent of Kohli backing out after 1 test.

With india facing the possibility of 2-0 lead, Bumrah should have 100% tried to play the 2nd test and then skip tue 3rd one to analyse equations.

Of england would win tue 3rd, he'd have to play the 4th, otherwise he can skip 4th and play 5th.

Besides his cowardly nature was their for everyone to see on test one.

Chucker + Coward. Loser cricketer.
 
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Bumrah should just retire now. Rizwan mentality players have no place in cricket. Not to mention chucking :bumrah
 
As he is becoming the centre of attention, he is getting high profile treatment and it now shows in his attitude that he is the major star of the team after kohli is gone. He is thinking of himself above his team and India needs him, he doesn't need india.
If his injury was serious and he had surgery three months back then why he didnt opt out of ipl? He played more than 10 matches if i rmr correctly. 2 year younger bumrah who had hunger to prove smth would never sit out of a match especially when his team is chasing victory to stay in the series.

All that aside, he didnt make much difference in first match too. They would ve won or drawn if he had taken 2 wickets at least.

Natarjan Ishant and Mukesh can all do what he did in 2nd inning lol.

Maybe india ll turn things around without bumrah and all others feeling the energy to fill his gap and prove themselves.
 
I am experiencing second hand embarrassment for Indian fans.

Imagine your greatest ever bowler sitting out of a Test match in England at the age of 31 when India is 1-0 down in the series.

This is utterly ridiculous and there is no justification for it. Indian fans know this too, but they lack the courage to admit it.

Bumrah will not die if he plays all 5 Tests here just like he didn’t die after playing all 5 Tests in Australia.
 
Back injuries are common in modern cricket, especially among fast bowlers, and Bumrah is just another example. Over the past seven years, he has suffered two major back injuries — the first in 2019, which sidelined him for several months, and the second in 2022, which kept him out of action for nearly a year.

What posters need to recall is that in 2023, Jasprit Bumrah attempted a comeback before attaining full fitness, only to realize that his body needed more time and rest. That was a setback that could have been avoided with more cautious workload planning.

Given this history, it is extremely risky and short-sighted to subject India’s premier fast bowler to a relentless schedule of international cricket without strategic rest. Bumrah is not just a key asset but he’s an irreplaceable asset in crunch situations. If we want him firing on all cylinders during ICC tournaments and play for India for 4-5 years more, his workload must be carefully monitored and managed — not just for longevity but also for peak performance when it matters most.

Hence, a smart decision here would be to rest Bumrah going into 2nd test as losing him occasionally is much worse than losing a bowler of that calibre for lifetime.

I would suggest OP to cherish a once in a generation fast bowler, like Bumrah for his phenomenal performances in all three formats and Test cricket matches vs Australia, South Africa and English over last 7 years rather than building a false impression about him that he is running away by faking a workload concern. He has already proved with his performance over multiple tours to Australia, South Africa and England that it is the batters all over the world that fear from him and not vice versa. His performances speak for the same. Let’s cherish this once in a generation all format fast bowler and enjoy till he is there. :wa :inti
 
Mamoon said:
I am experiencing second hand embarrassment for Indian fans.

Imagine your greatest ever bowler sitting out of a Test match in England at the age of 31 when India is 1-0 down in the series.

This is utterly ridiculous and there is no justification for it. Indian fans know this too, but they lack the courage to admit it.

Bumrah will not die if he plays all 5 Tests here just like he didn’t die after playing all 5 Tests in Australia.
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Good thread. Solid facts. Perhaps Bumrah wants to protect himself from embarrassment after getting 0 wickets in the first game even whilst defending what seemed to be a very solid target.
 
Mamoon said:
Imagine your greatest ever bowler sitting out of a Test match in England at the age of 31 when India is 1-0 down in the series.

This is utterly ridiculous and there is no justification for it. Indian fans know this too, but they lack the courage to admit it.
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Well well, something similar happened with Pakistani fan too, but on a bigger scale



Wasim Akram pulled out of quarter final 1996 without any solid reason, what was the justification for this? :ssmith


Atleast Bumrah had a surgery, what happened to Pakistans greatest bowler?
 
If he has back problems, opting out is justified. Managing workload concerns is way better than ending your career. Pakistanis must learn from Indian management on how to manage Bumrah’s workload. None of our bowlers have picked 200 wickets in Tests in this millennium and here we have posters crying on Bumrah not picking 400 wickets. Sounds very double standards!
 
Ab Fan said:
Back injuries are common in modern cricket, especially among fast bowlers, and Bumrah is just another example. Over the past seven years, he has suffered two major back injuries — the first in 2019, which sidelined him for several months, and the second in 2022, which kept him out of action for nearly a year.

What posters need to recall is that in 2023, Jasprit Bumrah attempted a comeback before attaining full fitness, only to realize that his body needed more time and rest. That was a setback that could have been avoided with more cautious workload planning.

Given this history, it is extremely risky and short-sighted to subject India’s premier fast bowler to a relentless schedule of international cricket without strategic rest. Bumrah is not just a key asset but he’s an irreplaceable asset in crunch situations. If we want him firing on all cylinders during ICC tournaments and play for India for 4-5 years more, his workload must be carefully monitored and managed — not just for longevity but also for peak performance when it matters most.

Hence, a smart decision here would be to rest Bumrah going into 2nd test as losing him occasionally is much worse than losing a bowler of that calibre for lifetime.

I would suggest OP to cherish a once in a generation fast bowler, like Bumrah for his phenomenal performances in all three formats and Test cricket matches vs Australia, South Africa and English over last 7 years rather than building a false impression about him that he is running away by faking a workload concern. He has already proved with his performance over multiple tours to Australia, South Africa and England that it is the batters all over the world that fear from him and not vice versa. His performances speak for the same. Let’s cherish this once in a generation all format fast bowler and enjoy till he is there. :wa :inti
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POTW… Sums up everything, it is just double standards from Mamoon and my other fellow posters. :misbah3
 
Bumrah gets pampered like a baby. This is why he can't be an ATG. ATG is someone who does not need to be pampered. An ATG would have impeccable fitness like McGrath, Wasim, Marshall etc. had.

You don't see Starc, Cummins, Rabada etc. being pampered like this. This is why they are the true champion bowlers of this generation and not Bumrah.

:inti
 
sweep_shot said:
Bumrah gets pampered like a baby. This is why he can't be an ATG. ATG is someone who does not need to be pampered. An ATG would have impeccable fitness like McGrath, Wasim, Marshall etc. had.

You don't see Starc, Cummins, Rabada etc. being pampered like this. This is why they are the true champion bowlers of this generation and not Bumrah.

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Tbf Bumrah > Starc, Cummins and Rabada.

But he is a chucker :ssmith
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Well well, something similar happened with Pakistani fan too, but on a bigger scale



Wasim Akram pulled out of quarter final 1996 without any solid reason, what was the justification for this? :ssmith


Atleast Bumrah had a surgery, what happened to Pakistans greatest bowler?
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Genuine Pakistani fan accepts that as great a bowler as Wasim was, he was also a crook who was up for sale.

Are genuine Indian fans willing to accept that Bumrah is a sissy coward?
 
Ab Fan said:
Back injuries are common in modern cricket, especially among fast bowlers, and Bumrah is just another example. Over the past seven years, he has suffered two major back injuries — the first in 2019, which sidelined him for several months, and the second in 2022, which kept him out of action for nearly a year.

What posters need to recall is that in 2023, Jasprit Bumrah attempted a comeback before attaining full fitness, only to realize that his body needed more time and rest. That was a setback that could have been avoided with more cautious workload planning.

Given this history, it is extremely risky and short-sighted to subject India’s premier fast bowler to a relentless schedule of international cricket without strategic rest. Bumrah is not just a key asset but he’s an irreplaceable asset in crunch situations. If we want him firing on all cylinders during ICC tournaments and play for India for 4-5 years more, his workload must be carefully monitored and managed — not just for longevity but also for peak performance when it matters most.

Hence, a smart decision here would be to rest Bumrah going into 2nd test as losing him occasionally is much worse than losing a bowler of that calibre for lifetime.

I would suggest OP to cherish a once in a generation fast bowler, like Bumrah for his phenomenal performances in all three formats and Test cricket matches vs Australia, South Africa and English over last 7 years rather than building a false impression about him that he is running away by faking a workload concern. He has already proved with his performance over multiple tours to Australia, South Africa and England that it is the batters all over the world that fear from him and not vice versa. His performances speak for the same. Let’s cherish this once in a generation all format fast bowler and enjoy till he is there. :wa :inti
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I repeat: there is no justification for opting out of the 2nd Test when India is 1-0 down. He will not die if he plays all 5 Tests just like he didn’t die after playing all 5 Tests in Australia.

India’s next Test series is in October, at home vs India. He can easily skip that series.

His workload is non-existent as I proved it in this thread. I am so glad that I looked into the stats instead of buying the fake Indian narrative.

Sissy Bumrah could have skipped IPL to protect his fragile body and play the full Test series in England, but the Ambanis would have hung him upside down.
 
Mamoon said:
I repeat: there is no justification for opting out of the 2nd Test when India is 1-0 down. He will not die if he plays all 5 Tests just like he didn’t die after playing all 5 Tests in Australia.

India’s next Test series is in October, at home vs India. He can easily skip that series.

His workload is non-existent as I proved it in this thread. I am so glad that I looked into the stats instead of buying the fake Indian narrative.

Sissy Bumrah could have skipped IPL to protect his fragile body and play the full Test series in England, but the Ambanis would have hung him upside down.
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Mamoon said:
I repeat: there is no justification for opting out of the 2nd Test when India is 1-0 down. He will not die if he plays all 5 Tests just like he didn’t die after playing all 5 Tests in Australia.

India’s next Test series is in October, at home vs India. He can easily skip that series.

His workload is non-existent as I proved it in this thread. I am so glad that I looked into the stats instead of buying the fake Indian narrative.

Sissy Bumrah could have skipped IPL to protect his fragile body and play the full Test series in England, but the Ambanis would have hung him upside down.
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There is a justification, but you are ignoring it so that you can sell your agenda.

Bumrah didn’t skip matches in away tour like that before this, he just had a surgery and we don’t want our generational bowler to risk injury for one match, once some time has passed he will get back to playing all tests, as simple as that.
 
Mamoon said:
I repeat: there is no justification for opting out of the 2nd Test when India is 1-0 down. He will not die if he plays all 5 Tests just like he didn’t die after playing all 5 Tests in Australia.

India’s next Test series is in October, at home vs India. He can easily skip that series.

His workload is non-existent as I proved it in this thread. I am so glad that I looked into the stats instead of buying the fake Indian narrative.

Sissy Bumrah could have skipped IPL to protect his fragile body and play the full Test series in England, but the Ambanis would have hung him upside down.
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There is a valid justification and that is already provided in my post. You just chose to be ignorant. Skipping IPL won’t help him in playing Test cricket. They are two different formats and Tests are way more demanding than T20s.

It was already spoken formally that he can’t play all test matches. His workload needs to be managed, you can say that this is a disadvantage that Bumrah brings with himself in the final x number of years he will play for India but quality wise, he is right up there with the best fast bowlers of all time, having played most of the test matches vs top teams like Aus, Eng, NZ and SA and picked 176 wickets averaging 21 in Test cricket.
 
ATG debate is purely hypothetical.

But realistically if you were put in a charge of an ATG XI and asked to pick a side for a series with all players throughout cricket history available, would you really pick Bumrah as one of your only 3/4 fast bowlers given his fitness issues and lack of longevity?

Indian fans should answer this question honestly.
 
Bumrah has done well to last this long. His short run means he has to generate incredible energy to bowl at the pace he does. One of the ways he generates the energy is by chucking. No chucking, no Bumrah
 
An ATG for dead rubbers. With series on the line there’s at least 5-10 ATGs in history one would pick with more fight and heart. Things like this hurt morale of the team.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
ATG debate is purely hypothetical.

But realistically if you were put in a charge of an ATG XI and asked to pick a side for a series with all players throughout cricket history available, would you really pick Bumrah as one of your only 3/4 fast bowlers given his fitness issues and lack of longevity?

Indian fans should answer this question honestly.
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Bumrah be like:

You can pick me for an all-time XI but please note that I will be only available for 2 out of 4 matches :klopp
 
Ab Fan said:
There is a valid justification and that is already provided in my post. You just chose to be ignorant. Skipping IPL won’t help him in playing Test cricket. They are two different formats and Tests are way more demanding than T20s.

It was already spoken formally that he can’t play all test matches. His workload needs to be managed, you can say that this is a disadvantage that Bumrah brings with himself in the final x number of years he will play for India but quality wise, he is right up there with the best fast bowlers of all time, having played most of the test matches vs top teams like Aus, Eng, NZ and SA and picked 176 wickets averaging 21 in Test cricket.
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No matter what mental gymnastics you perform and how much jingoistic Indians justify this, the fact is that it is utterly embarrassing to see him sit out of the 2nd Test of the series when India are 1-0 down and he is not carrying an active injury.
 
He should play 3 matches and try to keep india in series and then maybe skip a test.
If india loses the next match the series is almost gone and if they win without bumrah then do they even need him for the next match?
 
Hyder said:
Starc is the best odi bowler of last decade.

Cummins is best test cricketer after smith. And he is on par with bumrah as test bowler.
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Cummins is better then Bumrah as a cricketer 100%.

He is honestly an atg captain who managed to make Australia dominant despite not having even 1% of the team that Clarke and Ponting did.

I respect Ponting alot because he wasnt a passenger, he was the best batsmen in a team consisting of goat batters and he was a gun fielding and drs captain however he wasnt the best at utilising resources and he disnt team build which created issues once classic aus era was over.

Ponting was a much better mentor however Clarke was the same. Clarke asked Ponting to build a team for him as well as lucking out with Steve smith who went from bowler to goat test batter and Warner who despite not being on par qith hayden or gilly was still in their league and just started performing in debut. Same case qith starc.

Cummins doesnt even have a sliver of that yet he won 2 trophies and has remained dominant as a captain until recently where Aus ageing side is now showing.

As for Starc, I wasnt talking about odi lol, Test only.

Now coming back to Cummins, the issue is that Cummins is too good with the old ball while Bumrah is the biggest fraud with the old ball i have ever seen.

However Bumrah is >>> Cummins with the new ball and this is seen when Cummins bowls with the new ball in the 2nd session on occasions.

But records wise, Bumrah has done better even if he has cheesed it with his hiding behind new ball and injury tactics.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Well well, something similar happened with Pakistani fan too, but on a bigger scale



Wasim Akram pulled out of quarter final 1996 without any solid reason, what was the justification for this? :ssmith


Atleast Bumrah had a surgery, what happened to Pakistans greatest bowler?
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There is no equivalence here. I have noticed for some reason that Indians try to belittle Wasim now restrospectively to try and inflate Bumrah. So many dumb takes about Wasim despite the fact that he dominated your country's national psyche for many years.

Did Wasim decide before the world cup he was going to sit out some matches?

The answer is no.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
There is no equivalence here. I have noticed for some reason that Indians try to belittle Wasim now restrospectively to try and inflate Bumrah. So many dumb takes about Wasim despite the fact that he dominated your country's national psyche for many years.

Did Wasim decide before the world cup he was going to sit out some matches?

The answer is no.
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Sitting out due to ego clash is even worse and that too in a ko match.

Secondly, I don’t understand how Bcci managing Bumrahs workload post surgery is wrong in any way.
 
mominsaigol said:
Cummins is better then Bumrah as a cricketer 100%.

He is honestly an atg captain who managed to make Australia dominant despite not having even 1% of the team that Clarke and Ponting did.

I respect Ponting alot because he wasnt a passenger, he was the best batsmen in a team consisting of goat batters and he was a gun fielding and drs captain however he wasnt the best at utilising resources and he disnt team build which created issues once classic aus era was over.

Ponting was a much better mentor however Clarke was the same. Clarke asked Ponting to build a team for him as well as lucking out with Steve smith who went from bowler to goat test batter and Warner who despite not being on par qith hayden or gilly was still in their league and just started performing in debut. Same case qith starc.

Cummins doesnt even have a sliver of that yet he won 2 trophies and has remained dominant as a captain until recently where Aus ageing side is now showing.

As for Starc, I wasnt talking about odi lol, Test only.

Now coming back to Cummins, the issue is that Cummins is too good with the old ball while Bumrah is the biggest fraud with the old ball i have ever seen.

However Bumrah is >>> Cummins with the new ball and this is seen when Cummins bowls with the new ball in the 2nd session on occasions.

But records wise, Bumrah has done better even if he has cheesed it with his hiding behind new ball and injury tactics.
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Bumrah averages 20.5 with the old ball (35+ overs) in test cricket.

As your premise is wrong, rest of your post is just an extension of a lie.
 
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jeeteshssaxena said:
I reply in three posts because I am using my mobile, dont worry about me, if three posts shows fuzzy thought process then what does multiple posts and threads show?

Bumrah played all tests in Aus, lets end it there. Whether People were talking about his workload management or not foes not matter, he played all the matches there and this is the first time he is taking rest after one match.

As for the decision to rest, he had a surgery just three months ago, why would BCCI want to risk his body just for one test match.?

He will start playing full series once time passes and he is sure about his body.

You know he is already an ATG and on his way to becoming a top 5 pacer in tests, Bcci needs to handle him as delicately as possible when he just had a surgery, so as to prolong his career.


Wood and Archer are not as good and they still get mollycoddled by ECB just to end up with 30+ averages in tests cricket, and obviously they won’t be called ATGs coz their numbers are as bad as Shaheen Afridi.
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Easy there, :rabada2

@Mamoon is right, you clearly got triggered. Dragging CT 2025, Jofra, and Mark Wood into this just proves it. Do they ever discuss Bumrah's workload in IPL, or is that concern reserved only for international games? :yk :inti
 
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Easy there, :rabada2

@Mamoon is right, you clearly got triggered. Dragging CT 2025, Jofra, and Mark Wood into this just proves it.Do they ever discuss Bumrah's workload in IPL, or is that concern reserved only for international games? :yk :inti
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He's been chirping loudly ever since the England vs India game. We need to sympathise bro

Now that his leader + Crew Vanished, he has to bear the workload of carrying a sinking ship :vk2
 
Test cricket is far more demanding than IPL. The idea that if he rests IPL, he will be able to play all tests is absolutely false. In IPL, the max he is supposed to bowl is 4 overs. In Test cricket, you may sometime have to bowl 40+ overs in 1 test match. That is equivalence to number of overs he bowled this complete season in IPL. In last test match, he bowled 44 overs.

He has the fitness to bowl 40 overs in 10 matches over a period of 1 month and hence did it in IPL or last year in WT20. Expecting him to show same fitness in 4 days and then repeat the same in a week time is a bit more demanding at this age considering he already had two major surgeries. :inti
 
Ab Fan said:
Test cricket is far more demanding than IPL. The idea that if he rests IPL, he will be able to play all tests is absolutely false. In IPL, the max he is supposed to bowl is 4 overs. In Test cricket, you may sometime have to bowl 40+ overs in 1 test match. That is equivalence to number of overs he bowled this complete season in IPL. In last test match, he bowled 44 overs.

He has the fitness to bowl 40 overs in 10 matches over a period of 1 month and hence did it in IPL or last year in WT20. Expecting him to show same fitness in 4 days and then repeat the same in a week time is a bit more demanding at this age considering he already had two major surgeries. :inti
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Oh bhai, it's not just about bowling four overs, Bumrah has to play numerous matches, travel constantly, and stay prepared for every game. A proper rest means staying away from the cricket field altogether to keep himself fresh for big series. He could have skipped the entire IPL or at least half of it before England series to manage his workload better if he really cared about this series. @Mamoon is right. :inti
 
DeadlyVenom said:
There is no equivalence here. I have noticed for some reason that Indians try to belittle Wasim now restrospectively to try and inflate Bumrah. So many dumb takes about Wasim despite the fact that he dominated your country's national psyche for many years.

Did Wasim decide before the world cup he was going to sit out some matches?

The answer is no.
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They will try anything to belittle anyone for the sake of India.

Imagine Wasim Akram going wicketless defending 370 on day 5 of a Test match in overcast conditions. 😂😂
 

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They will try anything to belittle anyone for the sake of India.

Imagine Wasim Akram going wicketless defending 370 on day 5 of a Test match in overcast conditions. 😂😂
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Hobart test 1999

Aus 188/5 and chasing 370 runs going into 5th day.

Australia went onto win by 4 wickets with Saqlain Mushtaq taking lone wicket on last day when Australian score was 361.

Wasim Akram went wicketless and belted all over the ground by Gilchrist and Langer.

You want more examples?
 
LOL @ people bringing the IPL here. First of all, the load of IPL is much less where you need to only bowl 4 overs and have the luxury to only get involved in one innings courtesy impact player rule. In a test match, you are expected to bowl 18-20 overs per day. Second, the fact that Bumrah missed first half of IPL is alien to most or unware that he skipped entire IPL 2023. As they say bolne me kya jaata hai. Pakistan team is winning all test matches probably since they dont play IPL

:dw
 
Rajdeep said:
Hobart test 1999

Aus 188/5 and chasing 370 runs going into 5th day.

Australia went onto win by 4 wickets with Saqlain Mushtaq taking lone wicket on last day when Australian score was 361.

Wasim Akram went wicketless and belted all over the ground by Gilchrist and Langer.

You want more examples?
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This one? :inti

 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
This one? :inti

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Umpire decision, final decision. It was perk of playing in 90s in pre DRS days when bowlers got many howlers in their favours too...like Steve Buchknor and Sahin Tendulkar. Without umpire howlers, we would have won the 2008 Australia series too. So bringing umpire mistakes here makes no sense.

The point being, the ATG Wasim Akram couldnt take his team to victory from Australia being 127/5 chasing 370. That is not to say he is a bad bowler by any means but they way people are going after Bumrah here, just because he failed in one innings, especially when he got 5 wicket in the same test match, need to be reminded of the history.

And LOL at his comparison with Waqar. :misbah
 
Rajdeep said:
LOL @ people bringing the IPL here. First of all, the load of IPL is much less where you need to only bowl 4 overs and have the luxury to only get involved in one innings courtesy impact player rule. In a test match, you are expected to bowl 18-20 overs per day. Second, the fact that Bumrah missed first half of IPL is alien to most or unware that he skipped entire IPL 2023. As they say bolne me kya jaata hai. Pakistan team is winning all test matches probably since they dont play IPL

:dw
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He didn’t play the full IPL too.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Oh bhai, it's not just about bowling four overs, Bumrah has to play numerous matches, travel constantly, and stay prepared for every game. A proper rest means staying away from the cricket field altogether to keep himself fresh for big series. He could have skipped the entire IPL or at least half of it before England series to manage his workload better if he really cared about this series. @Mamoon is right. :inti
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Disagree. Even if he skipped entire IPL, he would have required rest in between the England series.

His body can’t take load of bowling 45 overs in 4 days and then again get ready to repeat the same in a week time.

Travelling and staying prepared is not an issue because no matter how bad he performs in IPL, no one can question his ability in T20 cricket. :inti
 
So the biggest takeaways from this thread are the following:

1. Bumrah’s workload is non-existent. He has had one of the easiest schedules in the game over the last couple of years.

2. It is extremely embarrassing to see him sit out of the 2nd Test of the series when India is 1-0 down and he is not carrying an active injury.

3. After this series, India are only scheduled to play 4 Tests in the next 12 months. There is no workload to manage.

4. Jingoistic Indians will try to defend everything even when it is indefensible.
 
^ Correction: After this series, India is only playing 5 Tests (not 4) in the next 12 months.

October 2025: West Indies (2) (H)
November 2025: South Africa (2) (H)
June 2026: Afghanistan (1) (H)

He can easily skip the 3 Tests vs West Indies and Afghanistan at home as India will win those even by playing their reserve team. That leaves him with just two proper Test matches in the next 12 months.

Where is the workload? What is he saving himself for?

He has zero workload and this is all a big drama and nothing else.
 
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