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There’s been a lot of debate about the upcoming Kashmir Premier League set to be played in Muzaffarabad. Most of this revolves around whether the league is political or not. But the way I see it, all this debate has ignored the very obvious fact that the league is already a massive success before it has even begun and has by far exceeded any expectations anyone ever had from it.

Now there are two ways you can choose to look at this. One is the idea that this is a genuine attempt to unearth talent from Kashmir. Whereas the other is that this is a political ploy by Pakistan. I’ve made my position clear on other threads so I won’t bother stating it here. But let’s look at the two arguments separately.

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If this was a genuine attempt to unearth talent from Kashmir than I don’t see how that has changed with the foreign players not playing. The Kashmiri players will still get to share a dressing room with international stars whether its Afridi, Imad Wasim or Mohammad Hafeez. All that’s really changed now is that India has given the league (that might not have even been talked about) unprecedented PR. Which is something the organizers couldn’t have imagined in their wildest dreams.

On the other hand, if this was [hypothetically] a political ploy by Pakistan than I don’t see how it hasn’t been a roaring success. Assuming that was the reason this league was created, wouldn’t getting a reaction out of India be the primary aim? Well, India hasn’t just given a reaction but also blackmailed several players and cricketing boards thereby showing that BCCI are exactly the bullies that everyone makes them out to be. Before India started talking about KPL, nobody had even co-related it with the Kashmir issue. But now cricketers like Panesar are making that connection which indirectly strengthens Pakistan foreign policy aim to keeping the Kashmir issue alive in the international consciousness.

On top of that, one could argue that India is the one who made this a political issue by bringing the ICC into it and asking them to look into the league eventhough the ICC has no jurisdiction over cricket leagues taking place in member nations.

Which ever way you choose to spin it, its hard to ignore these obvious realities. If it was started as a political ploy than it was remarkably subtle because there’s no way to prove that it was a political ploy as ICC wasn’t involved in any way by Pakistan, nor did it have any major advertising/promotion in Pakistan or international markets, that are home to Pakistani diasporas. Compare this to something like India asking the ICC to remove Pakistan from the World Cup and there is a very clear and obvious difference.

Meanwhile Kashmiri talent will still get a chance to rub shoulders with big international names and still get unprecedented exposure. The Muzaffarabad Cricket Stadium will host matches which may possibly even open the door for more matches to be hosted there. All of which is a positive development for cricket in Kashmir.
 
yup. Pakistan using pok as a weapon to push propaganda.... that's what I understood from OP.
 
yup. Pakistan using pok as a weapon to push propaganda.... that's what I understood from OP.

No we are amused at how India has made a low level league a resounding success.
 
yup. Pakistan using pok as a weapon to push propaganda.... that's what I understood from OP.

If that's what you understood than all I can say is that you have poor comprehension skills because that was not what I wrote in the post.
 
Pretty much. I didn't even know this league was a thing. Now I'll give it a watch.
 
No we are amused at how India has made a low level league a resounding success.

From my perspective, you should do what your responsibility, morality states regardless whether it brings advantage or disadvantages to your opposition because the result is immaterial.
 
yup. Pakistan using pok as a weapon to push propaganda.... that's what I understood from OP.

An unknown league with about as much profile as tiddly winks is known to the World due to the pettiness of Inds. Its a huge success
 
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Your words point towards it. Explain how I am wrong in my assumption.

The irony that all the Inds that commented 1st claimed this didn't happen and PK was making claims which were another conspiracy theory. And today you are forced to defend it like lemmings:facepalm::facepalm:
 
Your words point towards it. Explain how I am wrong in my assumption.

I merely presented two opposing sides of an argument, and argued how Pakistan stands to benefit in both cases largely due to the vociferous manner in which India reacted to this.

There is no way to prove that this is a political ploy. Rather, if anyone should be blamed for making this a political issue, its India because its India who co-related it with the Kashmir issue and brought the ICC into this eventhough it has no jurisdiction over the matter.
 
Pretty much. I didn't even know this league was a thing. Now I'll give it a watch.

It's certainly sparked interest, but personally I am not really interested in political games with India, so would prefer to have seen a Kashmir team in the PSL instead.
 
The irony that all the Inds that commented 1st claimed this didn't happen and PK was making claims which were another conspiracy theory. And today you are forced to defend it like lemmings:facepalm::facepalm:

I don't know what you are talking about and I don't remember writing any post on the subject which myself isn't aware till now.

If you are quoting me, I request you to address my words only since I am not taking any responsibility of words written by other posters be it Indian or Pakistani or other nationality.
 
BCCI is supposed to be this so called champion of promoting cricket throughout the world.

Well done for trying to sabotage a harmless league
 
I merely presented two opposing sides of an argument, and argued how Pakistan stands to benefit in both cases largely due to the vociferous manner in which India reacted to this.

There is no way to prove that this is a political ploy. Rather, if anyone should be blamed for making this a political issue, its India because its India who co-related it with the Kashmir issue and brought the ICC into this eventhough it has no jurisdiction over the matter.

You've been avoiding the words that were SPOKEN in launch of KPL. If you don't see it as using KPL as political propaganda tool, I will say that you lack compression skills.
 
I don't know what you are talking about and I don't remember writing any post on the subject which myself isn't aware till now.

If you are quoting me, I request you to address my words only since I am not taking any responsibility of words written by other posters be it Indian or Pakistani or other nationality.

It was a general point about the Ind that commented 1st. And I guarantee you would have been making the same point if Gibbs and Panesar hadn't verified it.
 
BCCI is supposed to be this so called champion of promoting cricket throughout the world.

Well done for trying to sabotage a harmless league

who said that BCCI is responsible for promoting cricket throughout the world?

It is responsibility of ICC.

BCCI interest is limited to India only as it should.
 
It was a general point about the Ind that commented 1st. And I guarantee you would have been making the same point if Gibbs and Panesar hadn't verified it.

quote me if I've said it. or stop accusing me based upon your hypothetical scenario.
 
You've been avoiding the words that were SPOKEN in launch of KPL. If you don't see it as using KPL as political propaganda tool, I will say that you lack compression skills.

Good way to change the question but tbh I haven't really bothered to see anything about the KPL so I really wouldn't know what was said. I guess I'm not quite as interested in this league as you.
 
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Good way to change the question but tbh I haven't really bothered to see anything about the KPL so I really wouldn't know what was said. I guess I'm not quite as interested in this league as you.

Then why you have made this thread since as an OP, you are neither interested in the league nor what the tournament is supposed to represent or anything related to that.

No wonder some people calling it as a dumb thread.
 
yup. Pakistan using pok as a weapon to push propaganda.... that's what I understood from OP.

You have a lot of time on your hand. How about you congratulate Pakistan and PCB on this great success and move on?
 
You have a lot of time on your hand. How about you congratulate Pakistan and PCB on this great success and move on?

lol :D
Now you are sprinkling the salt and twisting the knife into their misery.
 
You have a lot of time on your hand. How about you congratulate Pakistan and PCB on this great success and move on?

I don't see it as such from my perspective. IK has been a failure in all aspects including J&K.
 
I didn't even know about this league until this whole BCCI blackmail saga. I bet a lot of other people are in the same boat.
 
Then why you have made this thread since as an OP, you are neither interested in the league nor what the tournament is supposed to represent or anything related to that.

No wonder some people calling it as a dumb thread.

You're right, I don't care about the tournament. However I am utterly fascinated by all that it has managed to accomplish in such a short time. And you are wrong to assume that: "neither interested in the league nor what the tournament is supposed to represent or anything related to that."

I'd love to see Kashmiri talent unearthed in this league.
 
If it’s “already a massive success” then it only strengthens the Indian stand that KPL is an anti-India propaganda exercise.
 
If it’s “already a massive success” then it only strengthens the Indian stand that KPL is an anti-India propaganda exercise.

Please explain the connection.
 
BCCI is supposed to be this so called champion of promoting cricket throughout the world.

Well done for trying to sabotage a harmless league

They are also the reason why we're not seeing cricket in the Olympics. Disgusting cricket board.
 
Thanks to BCCI and our sensitive people who started losing their sleep as soon as they read the tagline of KPL. These are the same guys who won't complain about rising Petrol prices in India. :inti
 
Then say thanks to BCCI .why people criticize BCCI here ??

Nope. Saying thanks will end the episode.

It's time that we advertise the KPL and share it more n more, for the whole world to see the true and very ugly face of BCCI and morons in the current Indian govt.
 
who said that BCCI is responsible for promoting cricket throughout the world?

It is responsibility of ICC.

BCCI interest is limited to India only as it should.

They forgot to promote cricket in Kashmir. And now when they are doing it themselves BCCI is getting triggered for no reason. :inti
 
If it’s “already a massive success” then it only strengthens the Indian stand that KPL is an anti-India propaganda exercise.

Your post doesn't make any sense. How does it strengthens the Indian stand lol? BCCI has given free publicity to a no name league. I am pretty sure they will get more advertisers and eyeballs now. :inti
 
Your post doesn't make any sense. How does it strengthens the Indian stand lol? BCCI has given free publicity to a no name league. I am pretty sure they will get more advertisers and eyeballs now. :inti

Saved the organizers some money too. Because I can guarantee you whatever they were paying the likes of Gibbs, Dilshan and Owais Shah was too much.
 
Saved the organizers some money too. Because I can guarantee you whatever they were paying the likes of Gibbs, Dilshan and Owais Shah was too much.

Exactly. They got attention from the richest and most insecure cricket board on the planet. Those who have nothing to do with India and will never work in India will definitely sign up for this league. Others like Monty will opt out because they fear for their life. :inti
 
Nice publicity to the cricketing world. Indians have shot themselves in the foot again, not suprised if they Shah's son in the BCCI.

Who is showing this in the UK? I will share the league to all the English fans I know. :)
 
Yes,completely agree. It's already a success.
The main aim of this league was to make a political statement.
 
Exactly. They got attention from the richest and most insecure cricket board on the planet. Those who have nothing to do with India and will never work in India will definitely sign up for this league. Others like Monty will opt out because they fear for their life. :inti

Poor Monty I actually feel bad for him. He seemed worried about his budding sports broadcasting career :ashwin
 
Poor Monty I actually feel bad for him. He seemed worried about his budding sports broadcasting career :ashwin

An Indian poster wrote Monty has family in India, if true it's understandable why he withdrew.

It would be great if a local Kashmiri future great talent is found in this tournament. Imagine him whopping India in an ICC event in the future.
 
yup. Pakistan using pok as a weapon to push propaganda.... that's what I understood from OP.

It's certainly sparked interest, but personally I am not really interested in political games with India, so would prefer to have seen a Kashmir team in the PSL instead.
I am sure PSL franchises will be keeping an eye on local talent so players from Kashmir may be picked in the next edition of PSL.
 
KPL was doing alot of funding in its marketing as some of its teams had contacted islambad based markrting companies.

While the league Is just another mickeymouse league with parchi players playing and locally kashmiris being deprived, it has now gained awareness due to bcci.

I might do ny part and watch it to boost the ratings and hope for bcci and india feel bothered by it.

But the league itself is a joke as many of the names of the players are people i know who were nevrr good enough to play at domestic level yet would be playing in this league
 
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KPL was doing alot of funding in its marketing as some of its teams had contacted islambad based markrting companies.

While the league Is just another mickeymouse league with ******** players playing and locally kashmiris being deprived, it has now gained awareness due to bcci.

I might do ny part and watch it to boost the ratings and hope for bcci and india feel bothered by it.

But the league itself is a joke as many of the names of the players are people i know who were nevrr good enough to play at domestic level yet would be playing in this league

Looking at the rosters, majority of the players are from Jammu&Kashmir
 
Looking at the rosters, majority of the players are from Jammu&Kashmir

??u sure.

I think there are only 2-3 kashmiri players per squad and the rest are made up of pakistani players. Or maybe i read the squad sheet wrong, but thats how it seemed.

But whats more annoying are the names of players who dont even deserve to ve there
 
KPL was doing alot of funding in its marketing as some of its teams had contacted islambad based markrting companies.

While the league Is just another mickeymouse league with parchi players playing and locally kashmiris being deprived, it has now gained awareness due to bcci.

I might do ny part and watch it to boost the ratings and hope for bcci and india feel bothered by it.

But the league itself is a joke as many of the names of the players are people i know who were nevrr good enough to play at domestic level yet would be playing in this league

Yeah lots of club cricketers in those squads
 
I think it has worked out well for everyone, hasn't it?

The BCCI got its wish by removing all the F-grade foreign players from this league.
Pakistanis believe that they won with the foreigners exposing evil BCCI's hypocrisy and making the league a huge success.

Everybody won. Drop the grumpy faces and celebrate. Cheers to us.
 
I think it has worked out well for everyone, hasn't it?

The BCCI got its wish by removing all the F-grade foreign players from this league.
Pakistanis believe that they won with the foreigners exposing evil BCCI's hypocrisy and making the league a huge success.

Everybody won. Drop the grumpy faces and celebrate. Cheers to us.

Did BCCI really win though? They ended up giving a tournament by the name of Kashmir Premier League more publicity than the organizers could have ever imagined in their wildest dreams. And now people who were never going to even watch it, very well might. And despite being able to stop certain players from participating Gibbs and Dilshan are still participating. While Owais Shah and Matt Prior have neither confirmed nor denied. So even that strategy has been partly successful.
 
Did BCCI really win though? They ended up giving a tournament by the name of Kashmir Premier League more publicity than the organizers could have ever imagined in their wildest dreams. And now people who were never going to even watch it, very well might. And despite being able to stop certain players from participating Gibbs and Dilshan are still participating. While Owais Shah and Matt Prior have neither confirmed nor denied. So even that strategy has been partly successful.

The aim was never to stop. But to secure it's interest aspects.
 
It's not a success, no well known International cricketer will be participating. BCCI has done a good job :sachin
 
It's not a success, no well known International cricketer will be participating. BCCI has done a good job :sachin

It was a for local audience and many of us didn't know it existed. Now we know about it and will tune in and that's due to the pettiness of the BCCI and the fascism of the Ind govt. So it's a bug success
 
The aim was never to stop. But to secure it's interest aspects.

What interest did they secure? Besides stopping a handful of ex-players who haven't played cricket in years. Seems like much more was lost than gained.
 
It's not a success, no well known International cricketer will be participating. BCCI has done a good job :sachin

It's literally a provincial level tournament so getting all the publicity and a number of Pakistani international players is a huge a success for a territory of 4 million people. Being able to launch a league in a region constantly under the threat of war is a success in its own right.
 
Did BCCI really win though? They ended up giving a tournament by the name of Kashmir Premier League more publicity than the organizers could have ever imagined in their wildest dreams. And now people who were never going to even watch it, very well might. And despite being able to stop certain players from participating Gibbs and Dilshan are still participating. While Owais Shah and Matt Prior have neither confirmed nor denied. So even that strategy has been partly successful.
I think the BCCI would be happy with the players that have elected to dump the KPL. Obviously can't stop everyone but every major cricketer in the world now knows there are significant repercussions and wouldn't ever consider playing in this league in the future. Ultimately, the popularity of any league is dependent on its players and you are not going to be able to sustain interest in any league for long without the star attractions - retired or not. The Hundred also started with some interest and crowds filled up the stands but without the international stars, it has petered out in quick time.
 
I think the BCCI would be happy with the players that have elected to dump the KPL. Obviously can't stop everyone but every major cricketer in the world now knows there are significant repercussions and wouldn't ever consider playing in this league in the future. Ultimately, the popularity of any league is dependent on its players and you are not going to be able to sustain interest in any league for long without the star attractions - retired or not. The Hundred also started with some interest and crowds filled up the stands but without the international stars, it has petered out in quick time.

Every international cricketer knows India is a bully and loves politicizing sports.
 
I think the BCCI would be happy with the players that have elected to dump the KPL. Obviously can't stop everyone but every major cricketer in the world now knows there are significant repercussions and wouldn't ever consider playing in this league in the future. Ultimately, the popularity of any league is dependent on its players and you are not going to be able to sustain interest in any league for long without the star attractions - retired or not. The Hundred also started with some interest and crowds filled up the stands but without the international stars, it has petered out in quick time.

If a league needed Monty and Gibbs to sustain it, it would have been short lived. Thanks to the Padosis, it has the PR it needed to br successful in the local areas.
 
I think the BCCI would be happy with the players that have elected to dump the KPL. Obviously can't stop everyone but every major cricketer in the world now knows there are significant repercussions and wouldn't ever consider playing in this league in the future. Ultimately, the popularity of any league is dependent on its players and you are not going to be able to sustain interest in any league for long without the star attractions - retired or not. The Hundred also started with some interest and crowds filled up the stands but without the international stars, it has petered out in quick time.

I am not sure if its hard to understand or its an effort by some to not look at the facts related to KPL like they don't exist and being in denial.

Let me explain. KPL was a regional T20 league to start with. Aim was to promote cricket in the region and provide opportunities to young Kashmiri cricketers to rub shoulders with some cricket stars and show their skills on such a platform.

Retired overseas players (1 each in each team) was added to refine bit of packaging and overall marketing while knowing that it wont add anything to the quality.

The fact which many posters are trying to explain is that the retired overseas players even if all of them would have played wouldn’t have given the league as much hype as BCCI and Indian Govt gave to the league. A lot more people now know about the league and are interested in it and league management had to spend zero extra Rs to get the marketing to this level.
 
I think the BCCI would be happy with the players that have elected to dump the KPL. Obviously can't stop everyone but every major cricketer in the world now knows there are significant repercussions and wouldn't ever consider playing in this league in the future. Ultimately, the popularity of any league is dependent on its players and you are not going to be able to sustain interest in any league for long without the star attractions - retired or not. The Hundred also started with some interest and crowds filled up the stands but without the international stars, it has petered out in quick time.

You're missing the point. This league likely wouldn't even have registered in the minds of most Pakistanis, let alone an international audience. But because the BCCI has made this league an international news story and given it all this free publicity, the league will now likely draw a significantly higher audience than it would have had BCCI done nothing at all
 
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What interest did they secure? Besides stopping a handful of ex-players who haven't played cricket in years. Seems like much more was lost than gained.

The message and awareness that if you are in contract/looking for contract with BCCI, then before playing any league, consult with BCCI first.
 
The message and awareness that if you are in contract/looking for contract with BCCI, then before playing any league, consult with BCCI first.

and that is so unethical and borders illegal because the ICC is the sole global authority on world cricket, unless these players are Indian, they need to BCCI's approval.
 
The message and awareness that if you are in contract/looking for contract with BCCI, then before playing any league, consult with BCCI first.

I can't imagine any of them consulted BCCI before playing in PSL, CPL, BBL. :))) But if India wants to become United States of Cricket, there's a lot more to lose in the long term than gain.
 
and that is so unethical and borders illegal because the ICC is the sole global authority on world cricket, unless these players are Indian, they need to BCCI's approval.

It would have been illegal and unethical had BCCI barred players from participating in other leagues. But BCCI didn't do that.

Since they are not in contract with BCCI, it didn't impose any restrictions rather, gave a criteria if they want to submit the resume to BCCI.

A company can put a clause of x, y, z restrictions in the required eligibility and that's exactly what BCCI did here. it's a common practice not only in cricket but in the whole job sector.

If it's unfair, the players, the job seekers can always go for legal means.
 
I can't imagine any of them consulted BCCI before playing in PSL, CPL, BBL. :))) But if India wants to become United States of Cricket, there's a lot more to lose in the long term than gain.

As long as the population of india doesn't go drastically down, the power will be there. Previously BCCI didn't know how to use it but since 2000, it is systematically dictating the terms for it's own interest without violating any ICC guidelines.
 
It would have been illegal and unethical had BCCI barred players from participating in other leagues. But BCCI didn't do that.

Since they are not in contract with BCCI, it didn't impose any restrictions rather, gave a criteria if they want to submit the resume to BCCI.

A company can put a clause of x, y, z restrictions in the required eligibility and that's exactly what BCCI did here. it's a common practice not only in cricket but in the whole job sector.

If it's unfair, the players, the job seekers can always go for legal means.
Basically they'e using blackmail to stop foreign cricketers from playing in a foreign league. BCCI went out of their way to contact these players and threaten, if they had kept these rules and then told these players of their decision when they would've applied for an Indian visa or a job in India then it would've made sense to then tell the why they will be declined however going out of your way to unsolicitedly warn these players is unethical and uncalled for. The BCCI is acting this creepy stalker keeping track of where these players might play and then threatening them.
 
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As long as the population of india doesn't go drastically down, the power will be there. Previously BCCI didn't know how to use it but since 2000, it is systematically dictating the terms for it's own interest without violating any ICC guidelines.

The power will be gone once every other country stops caring about cricket then all you have is the BCCI. Cricket is already dying outside South Asia, once Pakistan stops caring then it's over.
 
Basically they'e using blackmail to stop foreign cricketers from playing in a foreign league. BCCI went out of their way to contact these players and threaten, if they had kept these rules and then told these players of their decision when they would've applied for an Indian visa or a job in India then it would've made sense to then tell the why they will be declined however going out of your way to unsolicitedly warn these players is unethical and uncalled for. The BCCI is acting this creepy stalker keeping track of where these players might play and then threatening them.
you can make a case that why BCCI have put the restrictions now.

But on the flip side, had BCCI didn't do that and later when they applied for the job yet rejected due to association with KPL, it would have been more unfair since players would have felt that had BCCI told them earlier, they would have had a choice of choosing either KPL or BCCI. But that would be too late by then.

BCCI chose the later option since it still informs the players about restrictions in future resume.

The players themselves has stated that it was their own decision and not blackmailed by anyone. You can argue for it but when the alleged victim denies that, you don't have case.
 
The power will be gone once every other country stops caring about cricket then all you have is the BCCI. Cricket is already dying outside South Asia, once Pakistan stops caring then it's over.

If cricket is faded, of course the power will be stopped. But what is there to argue when there isn't cricket anymore?

KPL, PSL, IPL, BBL all will be vanished too.

But till it stays, BCCI will have the power. BCCI doesn't rely on Asian blocks to execute it's authority.
 
you can make a case that why BCCI have put the restrictions now.

But on the flip side, had BCCI didn't do that and later when they applied for the job yet rejected due to association with KPL, it would have been more unfair since players would have felt that had BCCI told them earlier, they would have had a choice of choosing either KPL or BCCI. But that would be too late by then.

BCCI chose the later option since it still informs the players about restrictions in future resume.

The players themselves has stated that it was their own decision and not blackmailed by anyone. You can argue for it but when the alleged victim denies that, you don't have case.

No, the BCCI going out of their way to contact these players unsolicited and threaten them for playing in another league is totally out of line and unethical. You don't harass foreign players and try to coerce them into not playing in a league that has nothing to do with the BCCI. This complete sabotage and India is disgusting for this.
 
If cricket is faded, of course the power will be stopped. But what is there to argue when there isn't cricket anymore?

KPL, PSL, IPL, BBL all will be vanished too.

But till it stays, BCCI will have the power. BCCI doesn't rely on Asian blocks to execute it's authority.

All I'm saying is the BCCI can have all the power cause in a few decades India will be the only country playing cricket, y'all can have your little world series and "execute your authority".
 
No, the BCCI going out of their way to contact these players unsolicited and threaten them for playing in another league is totally out of line and unethical. You don't harass foreign players and try to coerce them into not playing in a league that has nothing to do with the BCCI. This complete sabotage and India is disgusting for this.

This is a corporate world and entities will come down heavily to protect their interest. You can state that by doing this, BCCI has put up a notice not only those players but all the others who might be considering playing in other leagues which aren't in line with BCCI.

BCCI has no jurisdiction outside India and none of its action points to it trying to. But inside India, it is exercising it's jurisdiction and that's what happened here.

You can say it is unfair but if you want to gain something in life, then you will have to sacrifice something in return. Life simply doesn't work like that.
 
All I'm saying is the BCCI can have all the power cause in a few decades India will be the only country playing cricket, y'all can have your little world series and "execute your authority".

That's fine for us too if it goes that way. Instead of nationality, people will be supporting state wise.
 
That's fine for us too if it goes that way. Instead of nationality, people will be supporting state wise.

That's good but I'm sure most Indins wouldn't like that the only sport they dominate will be reduced to a domestic competition. Like there's no national glory and pride when all you're good something only you participate in. I personally support cricket being an Indian sport and state cricket substitute world cricket, this would exacerbate the rivalry and division between different indian states.
 
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