The Legend that is Shahid Afridi - Did he underachieve as a cricketer?

[kron]

Dhoni is one of the most two faced people in cricket history. He appears as an innocent, nonchalant individual at face value but deep down, he is a backstabbing politician with a very strong PR game.

I bet the fake storyline of meeting his love interest in a plane who then died in a car accident was his idea to garner sympathy and boost his popularity.

He appears mysterious and private but there is no mystery behind his two faced persona.

People can hate on Gambhir as much as they want but he is a far more genuine person and undoubtedly a superior cricketer as well who never got his due credit.

Gambhir was a very good captain as well. He could have easily won all the trophies that India won under Dhoni and I’m sure he wouldn’t have been a worse Test leader than Dhoni.

I will always have respect for match winners. Gambo is a legend. Yea he could have easily captained india and won more titles.

You know who else is a great captain that actually is undefeated in tests? Rahane. Sadly that idiot couldn't even average 39 40 to save his career. Could have led india easily to more wins abroad.

 

[mominsaigol]

Wait there was a biopic for Dhoni? Lmao. For kapil dev then ok I agree. Deserves it. Virat ok. Or bumrah

But Dhoni lmao.

Yes lol, Shushant singh rajput played him.

And it filled me with disgust mainly because Rajput was outcast by bollywood and treated like crap which caused his Sui@ide.

But after that, bollywood and Dhoni's pr team felt the need to acknowledge and capitalise on the actors death for his own popularity.

I have no issues with Dhoni or Indian fans, Genuinely I don't.

But the levels of Marketing and PR is criminal.

If Pant wasn't Indian and played for any other team, then the knives would be out for him as people would go haywire aka how dare you claim Pant > Dhoni.

But because he's Indian he gets a pass. Pant > Dhoni in test easily, and luckily he's Indian so doesn't get flack

 

[kron]

If Shan masood was in India, stories about Him being Mike Breadley would formulate and his losses would be justified as Gritty, hard hitting losses.

Oh and they'd also make a biopic on turning said losses into wins

Btw there was this story about how coward Dhoni used to shy away from keeping to pace bowlers. He was allergic to it.

He wanted to protect his hands. True story. And this pos was our test captain.

Yea i know he won in odi alot and stuff but like I said tests is the real format where legends are made. He failed there for me.

 

[Mamoon]

If Shan masood was in India, stories about Him being Mike Breadley would formulate and his losses would be justified as Gritty, hard hitting losses.

Oh and they'd also make a biopic on turning said losses into wins

The level of disrespect Indians have for players from other countries is ridiculous, but that’s the power that you have when you have 2 billion people driving a narrative. This is why if Pakistani fans and others don’t learn to stand up for their players, it will only get worse.

These days Bumrah is their new father and any comparison with any bowler is somehow blasphemous. Bumrah will also be humbled just like Kohli got humbled in Test cricket.

 

[kron]

Yes lol, Shushant singh rajput played him.

And it filled me with disgust mainly because Rajput was outcast by bollywood and treated like crap which caused his Sui@ide.

But after that, bollywood and Dhoni's pr team felt the need to acknowledge and capitalise on the actors death for his own popularity.

I have no issues with Dhoni or Indian fans, Genuinely I don't.

But the levels of Marketing and PR is criminal.

If Pant wasn't Indian and played for any other team, then the knives would be out for him as people would go haywire aka how dare you claim Pant > Dhoni.

But because he's Indian he gets a pass. Pant > Dhoni in test easily, and luckily he's Indian so doesn't get flack

Well for me pant is the second best keeper of all time. Gilly first.

I mean you could say Allan knott and maybe someone else. But I would definitely have him in my top 3.

Sanga I don't rate due to poor performances vs big teams. No notable match winning performance and besides sanga was better when he operated as a pure batsman.

 

[kron]

The level of disrespect Indians have for players from other countries is ridiculous, but that’s the power that you have when you have 2 billion people driving a narrative. This is why if Pakistani fans and others don’t learn to stand up for their players, it will only get worse.

These days Bumrah is their new father and any comparison with any bowler is somehow blasphemous. Bumrah will also be humbled just like Kohli got humbled in Test cricket.

Bumrah is a great player but yes mcg is the goat.

Bumrah needs to perform for a few more years then we will see. Right now he is the best.

Other bowlers that are around his level are rabada and cummins.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

The truth is, cricket is not better off without players like Afridi who exemplified a certain brand of cricket.

If cricket is meant to entertain, he was a proper entertainer. It would either be a 6 after the last 6 or the forlorn walk back to the pavilion.

Did it hurt? Yes. Did it frustate? Obviously.
But at the bottom of everyone's heart was a different wave every time. A thrill. What if? What if it actually happens. People flocked to watch whether an Afridi special was on cards.

If you are going to rate Afridi vs Kohli or Babar or any other genuine ODI bat, obviously Afridi will come up mediocre.

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Miandad, Anwar, Wasim, Imran, Razzaq, Shoaib, Mahmood all had their moments. But Afridi was last of dying Pakistan breed of cricketers who had a never say die attitude and on whom Pakistanis believed in changing the complexion of game in an instant.

Afridi had extreme highs and lows and his highs were enough to single handedly etch himself in annals of cricket.

No amount of crying can change that.

But now its Babar and Rizwan and people want us to clap for them.

 

[Mamoon]

Bumrah is a great player but yes mcg is the goat.

Bumrah needs to perform for a few more years then we will see. Right now he is the best.

Other bowlers that are around his level are rabada and cummins.

Bumrah is the best fast bowler in the world right now, everyone can agree to that. The problem is when fans go overboard and start claiming that he is the GOAT pacer or no one is anywhere near his level at the moment. That is complete nonsense.

 

[kron]

Bumrah is the best fast bowler in the world right now, everyone can agree to that. The problem is when fans go overboard and start claiming that he is the GOAT pacer or no one is anywhere near his level at the moment. That is complete nonsense.

Don't think anyone said that man. His numbers are insane. But he has a few years to go. In the next 4 5 years if he maintains his current level or helps india wins more away tests series like he has done then we can revisit the conversation about him being amongst the greatest ever. He is a great bowler. So are rabada and cummins. Yes bumrah is ahead now ofcourse. But it's close. All 3 are great bowlers in their own right.

All 3 could potentially end up being amongst the best ever at the end of their career tbf.

Rabada has some work to do in Asia though. Cummins too but to a lesser extent. Last iindia and eng tour was bad for cummins.

 

[Mamoon]

Don't think anyone said that man. His numbers are insane. But he has a few years to go. In the next 4 5 years if he maintains his current level or helps india wins more away tests series like he has done then we can revisit the conversation about him being amongst the greatest ever. He is a great bowler. So are rabada and cummins. Yes bumrah is ahead now ofcourse. But it's close. All 3 are great bowlers in their own right.

 

[kron]

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I mean not here in PP.

No real indian fan believes that. He has some way to go.

Right now I put him at number 2 from Asia. Wasim is first. We will see in the next 4/5 years how far he can go

And such comments will be seen for lot of players after a good series. Social media can be easily misconstrued.

 

[Buffet]

Afridi was a good T20 player. Played too many games in wrong format or I should say born in wrong time.

His Test batting was decent and not sure why he ran away from Test.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

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The tweet is about Bumrahs comparison with other Indian players, and its true that there is no one who can come close.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Thread is not about Bumrah. Please stay on topic now... Will removed all irrelevant posts now.

 

[CadPakFan]

Afridi was a good T20 player. Played too many games in wrong format or I should say born in wrong time.

His Test batting was decent and not sure why he ran away from Test.

Afridi was decent in all formats, he just never had the discipline or patience to take it to the next level and be one of the all-time greats. Even in his last test match in 2010 he was just throwing the kitchen sink at everything while batting despite the team being in a difficult position, for someone who had such a great start to his test career and scored that amazing hundred in that famous 1998 test match vs India in Chennai, he had heaps of ability but never could consistently apply himself. Even in ODIs, I would recall he would consistently flop and when he was on the verge of being drop he would then preform well and then the cycle would continue and a lot of his career was like this.

 

[TheSultan]

Afridi was a good T20 player. Played too many games in wrong format or I should say born in wrong time.

His Test batting was decent and not sure why he ran away from Test.

This is a very good point. Despite conventional wisdom, he played decently in test cricket.

There were rumours before the tour of England in 2006 that Afridi had requested to retire from test cricket - amazingly that after he had a very good test season vs England and India. Although they were only rumours, there’s no smoke without fire. I lost a lot of respect for him that day. The shambles of his one test captaincy in 2010 and the subsequent retirement after ONE test of being captain made me lose ALL my respect for him.

From that day I realised he was a weak man propped up by this image of being some aggressive player only because he could hit a few sixes.

 

[Mamoon]

The tweet is about Bumrahs comparison with other Indian players, and its true that there is no one who can come close.

Then don’t use words like GOAT etc. it seems like Indian fans are suffering from the same disease as USA fans -they are laboring under the delusions that the world revolves around India/USA only.

I can guarantee you that not a single Indian cricketer has GOAT status in cricket in any capacity.

 

[Mamoon]

Read my earlier posts. I have said Afridi is just one of the many issues that plagued Pakistan cricket into its current state, not the only factor.

Afridi leaves more negetive impact than positive for pakistan cricket .

Please give examples of batsmen who have tried to mimick Afridi so that we can actually assess the merit of the argument that Afridi had a negative influence on and therefore, contributing to the decline of Pakistan cricket.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yes he underachieved. Much of it was down to stubbornness and refusal to change from his "natural game".

But when the big moments came they were epic. He has produced some of the finest memories for Pakistan cricket fans and towards the end became one of the finest LOI leggies the game has seen.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Please give examples of batsmen who have tried to mimick Afridi so that we can actually assess the merit of the argument that Afridi had a negative influence on and therefore, contributing to the decline of Pakistan cricket.

If this is a genuine query I am happy to oblige, but if we follow your pattern you will just troll your way and switch goal posts.
The reason is that players who who tried to mimick Afridi's careless approach was too costly for the teams and have very very short careers. Because cricket can't be won with 10 players and a Joker card that works once every 20 games, you need 11 players.

 

[mominsaigol]

If this is a genuine query I am happy to oblige, but if we follow your pattern you will just troll your way and switch goal posts.
The reason is that players who who tried to mimick Afridi's careless approach was too costly for the teams and have very very short careers. Because cricket can't be won with 10 players and a Joker card that works once every 20 games, you need 11 players.

No offence, but I am not aware of any cricketer who tried to mimick afridi?

The only ones I can think of if maybe asif Ali? Or azam khan? But that's a massive massive stretch.

Most cricketers in pakistan are tuk tuk accumulators who are decades behind other teams and lack players like rohit, Travis, Kohli, Butler etc?

No innovative shots, no idea about rr management, no aggression, no intent to outdated your opposition etc etc.

Afridi didn't set a precedence of being accumulators? Even if you claim he's medicore his intent is thr last thing you can claim ruined cricket?

Which cricketer has made his debut for pakistan or do you see in domestic like the recently concluded Champions one day cup that tried to remotely mimick Afridi?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Afridi didn't set a precedence of being accumulators? Even if you claim he's medicore his intent is thr last thing you can claim ruined cricket?

Careless cricket with no concern for team needs is exactly what ruined PCT.
Kapil Dev was removed from captaincy in 1987 when his mindless slog and holing out in deep mid wicket triggered India's collpase in 87 Semi Final. Afridi was never held accountable for hundreds of times he gifted his wickets and poor bowling.
Pakistani public and so many of the posters are still enamored by his once in a blue moon performances.

I see so many of you blaming Misbah for the final scoop in 07 T20 World Cup final, where is the same level of scrutiny for Afridi for his several first ball ducks by skying the ball at 30 yard line fielder.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

No innovative shots, no idea about rr management, no aggression, no intent to outdated your opposition etc etc.

Afridi didn't set a precedence of being accumulators? Even if you claim he's medicore his intent is thr last thing you can claim ruined cricket?

King of Golden Ducks:

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

King of Golden Ducks:

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Afridi played 48 innings in Tests with 6 ducks out which 5 were GOLDEN.
A true Golden boy!!

 

[mominsaigol]

Careless cricket with no concern for team needs is exactly what ruined PCT.
Kapil Dev was removed from captaincy in 1987 when his mindless slog and holing out in deep mid wicket triggered India's collpase in 87 Semi Final. Afridi was never held accountable for hundreds of times he gifted his wickets and poor bowling.
Pakistani public and so many of the posters are still enamored by his once in a blue moon performances.

I see so many of you blaming Misbah for the final scoop in 07 T20 World Cup final, where is the same level of scrutiny for Afridi for his several first ball ducks by skying the ball at 30 yard line fielder.

That's fine, but you're speaking from your own personal viewpoint and how you see it. And that's okay as you're entitled to your opinion.

Bit when you claim the words "Afridi ruined pak cricket"

Then I'm asking for proof and you haven't provided any? Kapil dev, Pakistani public, and Pakistani posters have zero relevancy to this topic.

Yes most Pakistani posters aren't exactly the brightest however their just casual fans, even if I get aggressive with them at times, their still just casual fans, for example Shan performed today scoring 151 and automatically I hear comments such as,

He's the perfect captain and the guy we need

Or he should be in the odi team and he's our best player

They've completly forgetten how crap he is and how easy the pitch is and how bad the bowling attack of England is.

But Pakistani posters have nothing to do qith Afridi.

If anything Afridi has a positive impact. If players wanted to mimick afridi then at the very least we'd have more players seeking to play am attacking brand of cricket no matter how mwdicore.

You wouldn't have an entire domestic circuit filled qith Imam's, Faizan's, Hurraira's, Rizwan's etc.

You need to actually provide hard proof for your claim

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

That's fine, but you're speaking from your own personal viewpoint and how you see it. And that's okay as you're entitled to your opinion.

Bit when you claim the words "Afridi ruined pak cricket"

Then I'm asking for proof and you haven't provided any? Kapil dev, Pakistani public, and Pakistani posters have zero relevancy to this topic.

Yes most Pakistani posters aren't exactly the brightest however their just casual fans, even if I get aggressive with them at times, their still just casual fans, for example Shan performed today scoring 151 and automatically I hear comments such as,

He's the perfect captain and the guy we need

Or he should be in the odi team and he's our best player

They've completly forgetten how crap he is and how easy the pitch is and how bad the bowling attack of England is.

But Pakistani posters have nothing to do qith Afridi.

If anything Afridi has a positive impact. If players wanted to mimick afridi then at the very least we'd have more players seeking to play am attacking brand of cricket no matter how mwdicore.

You wouldn't have an entire domestic circuit filled qith Imam's, Faizan's, Hurraira's, Rizwan's etc.

You need to actually provide hard proof for your claim

Let me compile the data for you. Pakistani cricketers have an unusually high frequency of Golden ducks. and from a cursory look its not even close to rest of the main cricketing countries and Afridi is a major spike followed by batters like Umar Akmal, Fakhar Zaman etc Plz bear with me as i put it in more coherent fashion.

 

[mominsaigol]

Let me compile the data for you. Pakistani cricketers have an unusually high frequency of Golden ducks. and from a cursory look its not even close to rest of the main cricketing countries and Afridi is a major spike followed by batters like Umar Akmal, Fakhar Zaman etc Plz bear with me as i put it in more coherent fashion.

I'll wait until you compile everything

 

[DeadlyVenom]

King of Golden Ducks:

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its not the worst record considering he is the most successful ODI leg spinner of all time.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

its not the worst record considering he is the most successful ODI leg spinner of all time.

He has one of the worst averages of any ODI bowler with more than 150 wickets. and that also not even close.

 

[mominsaigol]

He has one of the worst averages of any ODI bowler with more than 150 wickets. and that also not even close.

Word of advise.

You not liking the player or believing their rubbish is different from claiming said player destroyed their domestic structure.

The 2nd claim of yours still has no proof.

 

[Mamoon]

If this is a genuine query I am happy to oblige, but if we follow your pattern you will just troll your way and switch goal posts.
The reason is that players who who tried to mimick Afridi's careless approach was too costly for the teams and have very very short careers. Because cricket can't be won with 10 players and a Joker card that works once every 20 games, you need 11 players.

I asked for names not an incoherent word salad. Please get to the point and stop hiding behind empty rhetoric.

Please name the players who mimicked Afridi’s style of play so that we can asset the merit of the argument that Afridi had a negative influence on Pakistan cricket.

I repeat what I said: Afridi didn’t have a negative or a positive influence. He was a showman and a unique specimen who did his thing and left.

This rubbish argument that he destroyed Pakistan cricket culture or whatever needs to be exposed once and for all and I have taken responsibility for it.

Let’s see what you come up with.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I asked for names not an incoherent word salad. Please get to the point and stop hiding behind empty rhetoric.

Please name the players who mimicked Afridi’s style of play so that we can asset the merit of the argument that Afridi had a negative influence on Pakistan cricket.

I repeat what I said: Afridi didn’t have a negative or a positive influence. He was a showman and a unique specimen who did his thing and left.

This rubbish argument that he destroyed Pakistan cricket culture or whatever needs to be exposed once and for all and I have taken responsibility for it.

Let’s see what you come up with.

You have done exactly as I predicted in the post!

 

[mominsaigol]

You have done exactly as I predicted in the post!

People are asking you a simple question of How did Afridi ruin the current domestic circuit and all you've come up with his stats and records describing how medicore he is?

What does this have anything to do with current gen that don't even mimick his style.

Answer this question

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I'll wait until you compile everything

Among the Top 64 players with Golden Ducks: (4 or more Golden Ducks)
Pakistan has 6 players with 29 Golden ducks, Apart from Bangladesh no other top tier Team comes close to Golden duck count.

Row Labels	Sum of Golden Ducks	Count of Golden Ducks
Grand Total	295​	64​
Bangladesh	33​	7​
Pakistan	29​	6​
Afghanistan	16​	4​
Ireland	17​	4​
Rwanda	25​	4​
Uganda	13​	3​
West Indies	12​	3​
Zimbabwe	14​	3​
England	9​	2​
Hong Kong	11​	2​
Kenya	9​	2​
Luxembourg	8​	2​
Nepal	8​	2​
New Zealand	8​	2​
Papua New Guinea	10​	2​
Sri Lanka	11​	2​
Argentina	5​	1​
Australia	5​	1​
Botswana	4​	1​
Finland	4​	1​
Ghana	4​	1​
India	5​	1​
Indonesia	4​	1​
Lesotho	5​	1​
Malaysia	4​	1​
Malta	4​	1​
Netherlands	4​	1​
Scotland	4​	1​
Serbia	4​	1​
United Arab Emirates	6​	1​

In ODIs:
Among the top 42 players with Golden Ducks6 or more Golden Ducks)
Pakistan again has a special place being beaten only by Sri Lanka. Rest of the cricketing world is significantly below.

Row Labels	Count of Country	Sum of Golden Ducks
Grand Total	42​	300​
Sri Lanka	8​	65​
Pakistan	7​	58​
Australia	6​	39​
West Indies	6​	39​
India	4​	27​
New Zealand	3​	21​
Bangladesh	3​	19​
England	2​	13​
Zimbabwe	2​	12​
South Africa	1​	7​

Afridi has a masterful total of 22 GOLDEN DUCKS ( 12 ODI, 5 Tests 5 T20Is). No one comes close.
Reckless disregard to the team's need is a special trait indeed!

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

People are asking you a simple question of How did Afridi ruin the current domestic circuit and all you've come up with his stats and records describing how medicore he is?

What does this have anything to do with current gen that don't even mimick his style.

Answer this question

That guy is just trolling and directing insults, So I dont feel like having to respond back to him.

 

[Mamoon]

You have done exactly as I predicted in the post!

You are choking harder than KL Rahul and Suryakumar did in Ahmedabad on November 19.

I’m asking you for names of the Pakistani players who have copied Afridi and you are running away.

I can’t say I didn’t expect this. It took me just a day to expose this rubbish theory peddled by Indians for decades. This is what happens when people spout nonsense but are not ready to put their money where their mouth is.

 

[mominsaigol]

Among the Top 64 players with Golden Ducks: (4 or more Golden Ducks)
Pakistan has 6 players with 29 Golden ducks, Apart from Bangladesh no other top tier Team comes close to Golden duck count.

Row Labels	Sum of Golden Ducks	Count of Golden Ducks
Grand Total	295​	64​
Bangladesh	33​	7​
Pakistan	29​	6​
Afghanistan	16​	4​
Ireland	17​	4​
Rwanda	25​	4​
Uganda	13​	3​
West Indies	12​	3​
Zimbabwe	14​	3​
England	9​	2​
Hong Kong	11​	2​
Kenya	9​	2​
Luxembourg	8​	2​
Nepal	8​	2​
New Zealand	8​	2​
Papua New Guinea	10​	2​
Sri Lanka	11​	2​
Argentina	5​	1​
Australia	5​	1​
Botswana	4​	1​
Finland	4​	1​
Ghana	4​	1​
India	5​	1​
Indonesia	4​	1​
Lesotho	5​	1​
Malaysia	4​	1​
Malta	4​	1​
Netherlands	4​	1​
Scotland	4​	1​
Serbia	4​	1​
United Arab Emirates	6​	1​

In ODIs:
Among the top 42 players with Golden Ducks6 or more Golden Ducks)
Pakistan again has a special place being beaten only by Sri Lanka. Rest of the cricketing world is significantly below.

Row Labels	Count of Country	Sum of Golden Ducks
Grand Total	42​	300​
Sri Lanka	8​	65​
Pakistan	7​	58​
Australia	6​	39​
West Indies	6​	39​
India	4​	27​
New Zealand	3​	21​
Bangladesh	3​	19​
England	2​	13​
Zimbabwe	2​	12​
South Africa	1​	7​

Afridi has a masterful total of 22 GOLDEN DUCKS ( 12 ODI, 5 Tests 5 T20Is). No one comes close.
Reckless disregard to the team's need is a special trait indeed!

Brother again what does this have anything to do with Afridi's influence on players?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Brother again what does this have anything to do with Afridi's influence on players?

In T20IS,
for which some Afridi fans will claim that He set the tone for early domination of Pakistan of the format.
You have mutiple top players with Golden ducks from Pakistan:
1. Umar Akmal 6 golden ducks
2. Fakhar Zaman 6 golden ducks
3. Shadab Khan 4 Golden ducks
4. Hafeez 4 golden ducks
5. Imad Wasim 4 golden ducks
6. Afridi with 5 golden ducks

No other top team has so many prominent players with so many golden ducks. Keep Glorifying the mindless slogging and retaining the Golden Duck gold medal. Bang or bust no brains required is what Afridi gave Pakistan and it shows in numbers.

 

[mominsaigol]

In T20IS,
for which some Afridi fans will claim that He set the tone for early domination of Pakistan of the format.
You have mutiple top players with Golden ducks from Pakistan:
1. Umar Akmal 6 golden ducks
2. Fakhar Zaman 6 golden ducks
3. Shadab Khan 4 Golden ducks
4. Hafeez 4 golden ducks
5. Imad Wasim 4 golden ducks
6. Afridi with 5 golden ducks

No other top team has so many prominent players with so many golden ducks. Keep Glorifying the mindless slogging and retaining the Golden Duck gold medal. Bang or bust no brains required is what Afridi gave Pakistan and it shows in numbers.

None of this proves anything lol. It's once again your speculation with zero proof

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

None of this proves anything lol. It's once again your speculation with zero proof

I have given you the stats, and with my assessment.
We cant deny the special love of Pakistan with Golden ducks from the stats.
You can disagree with my assessment and that fine. I would love to hear your assessment of the special Golden ducks stat and Pakistan.

 

[mominsaigol]

I have given you the stats, and with my assessment.
We cant deny the special love of Pakistan with Golden ducks from the stats.
You can disagree with my assessment and that fine. I would love to hear your assessment of the special Golden ducks stat and Pakistan.

None of this has anything to do with afridi, it's a false association.

It's the equivalent of saying one bakery shop makes 6 chocolate donuts and every other bakery shop in the city also makes 6 chocolate donuts.

That's your logic, it's basically afridi makes ducks, the players I mentioned also have ducks, Therefore afridi mentally influenced these players to make ducks

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

None of this has anything to do with afridi, it's a false association.

It's the equivalent of saying one bakery shop makes 6 chocolate donuts and every other bakery shop in the city also makes 6 chocolate donuts.

That's your logic, it's basically afridi makes ducks, the players I mentioned also have ducks, Therefore afridi mentally influenced these players to make ducks

Well, Afridi is the most glorified cricketer in Pakistan after IK and Wasim.
Younger generation like to replicate their heroes. We have batting stars who all idolized Sachin which also brought in the obesssion with personal milestone.

Pakistan had been a factory of pace thanks to legends like IK, Wasim and Waqar.
But, Pakistan is also factory of golden ducks and with a significantly high frequency, I attribute it to the culture that glorifies the reckless Afridi playstyle. There is an association.

Again, I said you are free to bin my analysis but I am open to hear your reasoning as to why Pakistan cricketers have unusually high affinity for Golden ducks!!

 

[mominsaigol]

Well, Afridi is the most glorified cricketer in Pakistan after IK and Wasim.
Younger generation like to replicate their heroes. We have batting stars who all idolized Sachin which also brought in the obesssion with personal milestone.

Pakistan had been a factory of pace thanks to legends like IK, Wasim and Waqar.
But, Pakistan is also factory of golden ducks and with a significantly high frequency, I attribute it to the culture that glorifies the reckless Afridi playstyle. There is an association.

Again, I said you are free to bin my analysis but I am open to hear your reasoning as to why Pakistan cricketers have unusually high affinity for Golden ducks!!

Already binned it. Sachin has nothing to do with afridi and Indian and pakistan cultures are operate affairs.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

None of this has anything to do with afridi, it's a false association.

It's the equivalent of saying one bakery shop makes 6 chocolate donuts and every other bakery shop in the city also makes 6 chocolate donuts.

That's your logic, it's basically afridi makes ducks, the players I mentioned also have ducks, Therefore afridi mentally influenced these players to make ducks

Correction: Afridi influenced the generation of Pakistani players to make first ball ducks, not just ducks!
The unquestionable king of Golden Ducks!

 

[Mamoon]

In T20IS,
for which some Afridi fans will claim that He set the tone for early domination of Pakistan of the format.
You have mutiple top players with Golden ducks from Pakistan:
1. Umar Akmal 6 golden ducks
2. Fakhar Zaman 6 golden ducks
3. Shadab Khan 4 Golden ducks
4. Hafeez 4 golden ducks
5. Imad Wasim 4 golden ducks
6. Afridi with 5 golden ducks

No other top team has so many prominent players with so many golden ducks. Keep Glorifying the mindless slogging and retaining the Golden Duck gold medal. Bang or bust no brains required is what Afridi gave Pakistan and it shows in numbers.

What crapola.

Is this the best you could come up with? It is like showing up to a fight with a water gun after trash talking.

Ponting has the most number of golden ducks in ODI cricket as far as specialist batsmen are concerned, so I suppose he was also inspired by Afridi

 

[mominsaigol]

Correction: Afridi influenced the generation of Pakistani players to make first ball ducks, not just ducks!
The unquestionable king of Golden Ducks!

You can continue to troll lol, doesn't mean nothing

 

[Mamoon]

Rohit has more golden ducks than Hafeez and Shadab in T20Is. He is also negatively influenced by Afridi.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

What crapola.

Is this the best you could come up with? It is like showing up to a fight with a water gun after trash talking.

Ponting has the most number of golden ducks in ODI cricket as far as specialist batsmen are concerned, so I suppose he was also inspired by Afridi

While will Ponting take inspiration from an utterly mediocre player who started his career after Ponting himself.
and huge difference between 12 golden ducks and 7.
Please catch up on basic maths.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He has one of the worst averages of any ODI bowler with more than 150 wickets. and that also not even close.

Still, he is the most successful ODI leggie of all time and alongside his wickets has significant 50+ scores at an exceptionally high SR.

And look at the consensus here. Most people feel let down by a man who took almost 400 wickets and scored some of the fastest centuries the game has ever seen. They feel he could have offered more! (despite him achieving what very have achieved in ODI cricket).

 

[Mamoon]

While will Ponting take inspiration from an utterly mediocre player who started his career after Ponting himself.
and huge difference between 12 golden ducks and 7.
Please catch up on basic maths.

If Fakhar, Hafeez, Shadab etc. have been dismissed for golden ducks numerous times because of Afridi effect, then who is responsible for the golden ducks of Ponting and that of other non-Pakistani players?

Ponting is one of the all- time greats, a far, far better batsman than Afridi could ever hope to be. Therefore, 7 golden ducks for him is worse than 12 golden ducks for a brainless slogger like Afridi.

So I ask again - who was the inspiration for Ponting’s ducks?

Here is a fun one.

Guess who started his career after Afridi and has more T20I golden ducks than any Pakistani ever?

Answer - your fat captain.

So is Rohit Sharma inspired by:

(a) Afridi
(b) the number of trophies India won between 2014-2023
(c) the number of brain cells that you have
(d) others….you can insert your choice here.

 

[RexRex]

Then don’t use words like GOAT etc. it seems like Indian fans are suffering from the same disease as USA fans -they are laboring under the delusions that the world revolves around India/USA only.

I can guarantee you that not a single Indian cricketer has GOAT status in cricket in any capacity.

Bumrah is the GOAT; in a matter of years he has eclipsed the famed Pakistani pace bowlers of yesteryear.

 

[Mamoon]

Bumrah is the GOAT; in a matter of years he has eclipsed the famed Pakistani pace bowlers of yesteryear.

Only in a world that starts and ends with India. In the real world, Bumrah has not even entered the conversation.

He cannot be compared to Wasim Akram or Imran Khan until he picks up 350 Test wickets and wins an ODI World Cup.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Bumrah is the GOAT; in a matter of years he has eclipsed the famed Pakistani pace bowlers of yesteryear.

This is absurd.

Wasim Akram is commonly accepted as one of the greatest fast bowlers of all time, consistently amongst most learned individuals World XI of recent times and regarded by Lara and Tendulkar as the finest fast bowler they faced.

Bumrah is an exceptional player, but will not probably play the amount of international crciket to justify your ordaining him with the “GOAT” assignation.

 

[nish_mate]

The guarantee on offer here has less credit worthiness than that of GOP

Caveat Emptor for those pursuing this guarantee

 

[pratiktc]

I really don't get why Afridi is always built out to be this batting failure. Even in his last years of intl cricket in2013-15 when he was probably 37-39 yrs old he was getting ODI batting numbers of 25/145 with hit jobs against good teams like NZ/SA which would be pretty good for T20I players in 2024 let alone ODIs of a decade ago. And all this while giving a steady 7-8 overs per game.

If likes of Umar Akmal and Imran Nazir hadn't fizzled out, Pak of early 2010s could have really put the hurt on teams with the old rules of batting powerplay being batting team choice. Imagine these guys going turbo in a 5 over block.

 

[Mohraheem]

Afridi was a mediocre cricketer, let alone traumatise he was usually a joke amongst Indians, every time we defeated Pak in ICC trophy Afridi had a brainfade, its fitting that he is called the king of ducks or duckridi.

As for his stats - hus average was around 21 with the bat which is laughable.

Secondly his bowling average against strong teams is inferior to Yuvraj Singh who is considered a part time bowler.

Afridi statpadded his bowling average against minnows, he has a couple of once in a bluemoon performances against us but that is it.

All in all a mediocre below average cricketer.

Idiotic posters bringing in kohli, Dhoni and Laxman need to chill out and use their brain for once.

None of them are mediocre players, Afridi is one.

Spelt misbah wrong

 

[W63L35]

King of Golden Ducks:

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Your list shows Javagal Srinath had 8 golden ducks.... according to Cricinfo, he had 11 golden duck, plus one time he was out without facing a ball. Can you check where is the difference?

 

[W63L35]

Let me compile the data for you. Pakistani cricketers have an unusually high frequency of Golden ducks. and from a cursory look its not even close to rest of the main cricketing countries and Afridi is a major spike followed by batters like Umar Akmal, Fakhar Zaman etc Plz bear with me as i put it in more coherent fashion.

I took your list and sorted it by "Percent" (right most column) ..... in the top 20, you has 3 Indian and 3 Pakistanis. West Indian (4) and Sri Lankan (4) have most "frequency" of gold ducks - i.e. Percent of Duck Innings to total ODI innings.

I changed Srinath's golden ducks from 8 to 11... I will let you check why the difference and where are the difference for other players?

 

[pratiktc]

Between 2007 and 2012,

The strike rate needle movers were;
Afridi 25/130
Sehwag 41/118
Yusuf 27/113
Albie 25/105
Dre Russ 31/120
Pollard 26/97
Sammy 22/102

Brief mention to
Imran Nazir 28/102

Whereas gold standard for ODI batting was 85-90 SR with high average.

MSD 56/85
Amla 59/90
Watson 45/92

IMO the needle movers set the tone for the development of white ball cricket in 2010s. Guys like McCullum (35/95) and AbD (55/95) who were anyway doing well went to next level by pushing their SR up to 115+ in the next world cup cycle with help of favourable rules (2 new balls, 4 fielders out). Thus we had the first batting generation who had solid plans for setting or chasing 350+ in an inns other than hope and pray. Teams saw the value of carrying game breakers like Maxwell with high failure rate but match turning ability in XI.

Unfortunately the needle movers never got the recognition or respect that they deserved in their era since the batting average was the metric of worship for fans. Guys like Yusuf and Albie would have been far bigger intl stars in 2010s than in 00s where they got derided for throwing wickets away.

Afridi and Sehwag also suffered from lazy analysts/comm narratives who kept characterizing their dismissals as thrown away wkts instead of appreciating their commitment to attack and get ahead of rate.

Just to give a sense Razzaq made 25/87 between 2007-12 but still Afridi got castigated as the bigger wastrel just because of popular narrative.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I took your list and sorted it by "Percent" (right most column) ..... in the top 20, you has 3 Indian and 3 Pakistanis. West Indian (4) and Sri Lankan (4) have most "frequency" of gold ducks - i.e. Percent of Duck Innings to total ODI innings.

I changed Srinath's golden ducks from 8 to 11... I will let you check why the difference and where are the difference for other players?

View attachment 146647

1. There is a reason, I did not choose the percentage golden ducks because the list has only the utter tail enders. No one in this list is known for their batting prowess. Tailenders have literally no expectations on the batting front.
2. Why does Srinath get a reward of 3 extra golden ducks from you??
3. And the point here is exactly established that with high number of golden ducks (which shows irresponsible batting of highest order) no well known batsman/ All rounder ever had a long career. Except Afridi.
4. The stats also do not capture the nature of their golden ball ducks, Afridi's golden ball ducks have been more often than not, wild slogs on the first ball itself.

 

[W63L35]

1. There is a reason, I did not choose the percentage golden ducks because the list has only the utter tail enders. No one in this list is known for their batting prowess. Tailenders have literally no expectations on the batting front.
2. Why does Srinath get a reward of 3 extra golden ducks from you??
3. And the point here is exactly established that with high number of golden ducks (which shows irresponsible batting of highest order) no well known batsman/ All rounder ever had a long career. Except Afridi.
4. The stats also do not capture the nature of their golden ball ducks, Afridi's golden ball ducks have been more often than not, wild slogs on the first ball itself.

I will reply to your points 1, 3 and 4 later... first prove that your stats about Srinath's 8 golden duck are accurate.

Regarding your point #2. Did you see post # 217 above??

I proved to you that according to ESPNCRICINFO, Srinath has 11 Golden Ducks (plus one duck without facing the ball).
Here is Srinath's 11 Golden Duck... again!


Now you show me why your list has only 8 Gold-Ducks... just because he is an Indian?
Your stats are not accurate!

 

[aukhan]

The 48-year-old Afridi is still better than the wannabe match-winning all-rounder Shadab "Chichora" Khan.

 

[W63L35]

The 48-year-old Afridi is still better than the wannabe match-winning all-rounder Shadab "Chichora" Khan.

Shadab and Iftikhar are answers to the prayers of the fans who "hated" Afridi's average and tullay baazi. I am so happy for all of those fans!!

 

[shaz619]

Afridi was a frustrating player, but looking back he wasn’t appreciated enough and was a little bit unlucky that his prime was in a highly competitive era. With that being said, he is still an ATG due to his performances across formats & also how box office he was which is often overlooked when it comes to popularising the sport, just a tad disappointing he never played more Tests, especially against India

 

[ghalib kichlu]

Compare him to Flintoff

Both box office but both could have won a lot more with the talent they had

Players like hafeez and moeen ali have more stellar records but nowhere near the same amount of fans

 

[W63L35]

1. There is a reason, I did not choose the percentage golden ducks because the list has only the utter tail enders. No one in this list is known for their batting prowess. Tailenders have literally no expectations on the batting front.
2. Why does Srinath get a reward of 3 extra golden ducks from you??
3. And the point here is exactly established that with high number of golden ducks (which shows irresponsible batting of highest order) no well known batsman/ All rounder ever had a long career. Except Afridi.
4. The stats also do not capture the nature of their golden ball ducks, Afridi's golden ball ducks have been more often than not, wild slogs on the first ball itself.

Did you see Post # 221?
So why did your stats incorrectly listed 8 Golden Ducks for Srinath when in reality he had 11 (12 if you also include getting out for zero without facing a ball)??

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I will reply to your points 1, 3 and 4 later... first prove that your stats about Srinath's 8 golden duck are accurate.

Regarding your point #2. Did you see post # 217 above??

I proved to you that according to ESPNCRICINFO, Srinath has 11 Golden Ducks (plus one duck without facing the ball).
Here is Srinath's 11 Golden Duck... again!
View attachment 146657

Now you show me why your list has only 8 Gold-Ducks... just because he is an Indian?
Your stats are not accurate!

Did you see Post # 221?
So why did your stats incorrectly listed 8 Golden Ducks for Srinath when in reality he had 11 (12 if you also include getting out for zero without facing a ball)??

Good Try, but Srinath has only 8 golden ducks not 11 as you have counted. Its an honest mistake on your end but I would let you understand why it is still 8 golden ducks and not 11.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Did you see Post # 221?
So why did your stats incorrectly listed 8 Golden Ducks for Srinath when in reality he had 11 (12 if you also include getting out for zero without facing a ball)??

Let me help you here a little extra. Here is Malinga's data from which you will end up counting 14 golden ducks but actually its still 13 only. Now you can think deeply over it as to why its so.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Sometimes it makes me wonder whenever there is some weird data shared that goes against your preconceived notion. Why is the first thought straight thought in the head about some sort of conspiratorial or malicious biased manipulation of data?? .

I will reply to your points 1, 3 and 4 later... first prove that your stats about Srinath's 8 golden duck are accurate.

Regarding your point #2. Did you see post # 217 above??

I proved to you that according to ESPNCRICINFO, Srinath has 11 Golden Ducks (plus one duck without facing the ball).
Here is Srinath's 11 Golden Duck... again!
View attachment 146657

Now you show me why your list has only 8 Gold-Ducks... just because he is an Indian?
Your stats are not accurate!

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Thought this video was really nice. Afridi is massive superstar adored by millions all over the world, not just in Pakistan. It's nice to see him using his platform to show this side of cricket. Sometimes fans from South Asian countries get really toxic towards each other. It's important to remember its just a game. And if anything it should bring us together, rather than divide us.

South Asian brotherhood

 

[light]

At one point, he was my fav player of all time. I used to follow him alot. He massively under achived with the bat. He was the type of player who could have changed the match in a heart beat, but mostly failed due to brain farts. But when luck did favor him, not even the best bowler in the world could stop him with the bat.

 

[light]

I took your list and sorted it by "Percent" (right most column) ..... in the top 20, you has 3 Indian and 3 Pakistanis. West Indian (4) and Sri Lankan (4) have most "frequency" of gold ducks - i.e. Percent of Duck Innings to total ODI innings.

I changed Srinath's golden ducks from 8 to 11... I will let you check why the difference and where are the difference for other players?

View attachment 146647

Just to take it out of context from the topic of discussion, out of all the players on this list (most are bowlers/allrounders or batsmen who plays down the order when quick runs are required), Liton Das is the only opener in the list and has 14 Ducks LOL. Thus entails why BD seems to be always 1-2 wicket down within 5-10 overs.

 

[pillionrider]

He did what he could in white-ball cricket and survived the axe a bit better in Pakistan that he probably would've in any other top team.

But I feel Pakistan missed an opportunity when they lacked people with the vision to convince him that he was a valuable test cricketer. I think it would've made for a fascinating cross-border competition to have had Afridi and Sehwag trying to outdo each other as the most explosive test openers. And as a cunning leg spinner, he would've been useful for at least short bursts on most tracks.

 

[big_gamer007]

He alongside most other Pakistani players lacked the key ingredients to become world beaters.

Discipline, Hard work, commitment, dedication, student of the game.
He lacked all the above qualities needed to become elitest of elites.

Talent can only get you so far.

The last Pakistani player with all these qualities was Younis Khan, he overachieved compared to his natural talent just by having those qualities.
He goes under appreciated in Pakistan but that guy should be role model for youngsters.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He alongside most other Pakistani players lacked the key ingredients to become world beaters.

Discipline, Hard work, commitment, dedication, student of the game.
He lacked all the above qualities needed to become elitest of elites.

Talent can only get you so far.

The last Pakistani player with all these qualities was Younis Khan, he overachieved compared to his natural talent just by having those qualities.
He goes under appreciated in Pakistan but that guy should be role model for youngsters.

Younis khan is sort of an exception. That dude was exceptionally fit even at old age.

 

[Farabi]

Afridi and Sehwag also suffered from lazy analysts/comm narratives who kept characterizing their dismissals as thrown away wkts instead of appreciating their commitment to attack and get ahead of rate.

I’m not sure about India, but this narrative still fits Pakistan perfectly.

You mentioned Nazir, Afridi, and Umer Akmal as ideal T20I batters. Pakistan still churns out similar white-ball talent, but it’s treated like the last slice of pizza—everyone wants it but won’t admit it.

Take Fakhar Zaman, Pakistan’s most destructive batter, whose PSL success as an opener somehow disqualified him from opening for the national team. Mohammad Haris barely gets chances and rarely in his actual role. Saim Ayub was tossed into the middle order like leftovers and almost dropped.

Meanwhile, Rizbabar fans proudly wave their “pretty averages at snail-paced strike rates” banners. Pakistan remains obsessed with stats and allergic to risks.

India might be evolving, but Pakistan is moving at the pace of a test match on a flat Karachi pitch.

 

[Farabi]

He did what he could in white-ball cricket and survived the axe a bit better in Pakistan that he probably would've in any other top team.

But I feel Pakistan missed an opportunity when they lacked people with the vision to convince him that he was a valuable test cricketer. I think it would've made for a fascinating cross-border competition to have had Afridi and Sehwag trying to outdo each other as the most explosive test openers. And as a cunning leg spinner, he would've been useful for at least short bursts on most tracks.

For that to happen, the Pakistani management would need to adopt a more progressive mindset. Afridi’s best years came under Woolmer, who brought a greater tolerance for failure and a forward-thinking approach.

 

[Hitman]

Happy Birthday, Shahid Afridi!

 

[mominsaigol]

Hbday Lala

 

[shah9425]

Happy birthday lala