The letter that proves foreign interference to remove PM Imran Khan

[MenInG]

Last throw of the dice from SMQ but makes good points on the timing of the washington meetings and the no confidence vote filing. I think the national security threat letter should go for further verification.

Yes, Opposition only interested in the votes as expected - seat calls, no one interested in the country.

 

[MenInG]

WASHINGTON: The US State Department has said that there’s “absolutely no truth” in Prime Minister Imran Khan’s claim that Washington is behind an alleged conspiracy to overthrow his government.

Mr Khan has been claiming that his independent foreign policy has annoyed ‘foreign powers’ and they have financed the opposition’s no-trust move against him.

In an address to the nation on Friday, the prime minister reiterated his allegations that a senior US diplomat threatened a regime change in Pakistan.

In another statement, Mr Khan also named the official — Donald Lu, Assistant Secretary, Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs in the Department of State — who allegedly threatened a regime-change in Pakistan during a meeting with the then Pakistani ambassador Asad Majeed Khan.

At a Friday evening news briefing in Washington, a journalist reminded Deputy State Department Spokesperson Jalina Porter that in his address to the nation, Mr Khan renewed his allegation that the US had encouraged the no-confidence vote, saying that he had a diplomatic cable to prove it.

“Let me just say very bluntly there is absolutely no truth to these allegations,” said Ms Porter.

“Of course, we continue to follow these developments, and we respect and support Pakistan’s constitutional process and rule of law. But again, these allegations are absolutely not true,” she added.

A prestigious diplomatic news site, ‘Foreign Policy,’ noted in its latest report on Pakistan that “the future of Islamabad’s fragile relationship with Washington remains foggy after Prime Minister Khan levelled serious allegations against the United States, making it a central part of their political crisis”.

The report, however, argued that Mr Khan’s description of the alleged US involvement sounded more like “a US official complaining about the Pakistani prime minister, not plotting his ousting”.

The Washington-based news site noted that in Pakistan, public mistrust of the United States “runs deep, in great part because there is a history of US meddling in Pakistan’s internal politics”.

The report warned that Mr Khan’s allegations “have hurt US-Pakistan relations, especially after Khan publicly named the US official” involved in the so-called plot.

The report pointed out that their ties were unsettled before this political crisis too “as each country deepens relations with the other’s top rival — Washington with New Delhi and Islamabad with Beijing”.

The report warned that Mr Khan’s allegation of the United States orchestrating regime change “will make it more difficult to rein in the unmoored relationship”.

Published in Dawn, April 10th, 2022

 

[MenInG]

PTI leader Fawad Chaudhry on Monday rejected newly elected Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif's call to investigate the contents of a cable that allegedly contains details of a threat made by the United States against former premier Imran Khan's government.

According to Khan, the cable, which he first spoke of and brandished at a public rally on March 27, carried details of the ambassador's meeting with Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Affairs Donald Lu in which the latter allegedly threatened Pakistan. Khan and his party linked the purported threat with the no-trust move against him in the National Assembly that led to his ouster from the top office.

Majeed, in the cable, reportedly said Lu warned that Khan’s continuation as the prime minister would have repercussions for bilateral relations. The US, Khan claims, was annoyed with his "independent foreign policy" and visit to Moscow.

Following his successful election as the prime minister earlier today, Shehbaz announced that he would be making arrangements for an in-camera briefing of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security to discuss and determine the authenticity of the cable and the session would be attended by the military leadership, Inter-Services Intelligence director general, foreign secretary and the ambassador who sent the letter.

Reacting to the prime minister's offer, Chaudhry decried it as an "ugly attempt" by the new premier to provide a National Reconciliation Ordinance-type deal to himself and said the PTI rejected it.

He said the Supreme Court should form an independent commission to investigate the matter, with the probe body's head being a person who no one could object to.

Earlier today, the Islamabad High Court dismissed a petition that sought an investigation into the contents of the cable. It said that making a cable that had been sent by a Pakistani diplomat "controversial and the subject of litigation" was against the public and state's interests.

The court observed in its order that it was "settled law" that matters relating to the country's foreign affairs were "extremely sensitive and therefore not justiciable". It said the assertions were "vague" and not supported by any credible material that merited making the diplomatic cable a subject of litigation.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1684509/c...hbazs-offer-to-probe-us-envoys-correspondence

 

[Manunited18]

PTI leader Fawad Chaudhry on Monday rejected newly elected Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif's call to investigate the contents of a cable that allegedly contains details of a threat made by the United States against former premier Imran Khan's government.

According to Khan, the cable, which he first spoke of and brandished at a public rally on March 27, carried details of the ambassador's meeting with Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Affairs Donald Lu in which the latter allegedly threatened Pakistan. Khan and his party linked the purported threat with the no-trust move against him in the National Assembly that led to his ouster from the top office.

Majeed, in the cable, reportedly said Lu warned that Khan’s continuation as the prime minister would have repercussions for bilateral relations. The US, Khan claims, was annoyed with his "independent foreign policy" and visit to Moscow.

Following his successful election as the prime minister earlier today, Shehbaz announced that he would be making arrangements for an in-camera briefing of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security to discuss and determine the authenticity of the cable and the session would be attended by the military leadership, Inter-Services Intelligence director general, foreign secretary and the ambassador who sent the letter.

Reacting to the prime minister's offer, Chaudhry decried it as an "ugly attempt" by the new premier to provide a National Reconciliation Ordinance-type deal to himself and said the PTI rejected it.

He said the Supreme Court should form an independent commission to investigate the matter, with the probe body's head being a person who no one could object to.

Earlier today, the Islamabad High Court dismissed a petition that sought an investigation into the contents of the cable. It said that making a cable that had been sent by a Pakistani diplomat "controversial and the subject of litigation" was against the public and state's interests.

The court observed in its order that it was "settled law" that matters relating to the country's foreign affairs were "extremely sensitive and therefore not justiciable". It said the assertions were "vague" and not supported by any credible material that merited making the diplomatic cable a subject of litigation.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1684509/c...hbazs-offer-to-probe-us-envoys-correspondence

Showbaz will flatly reject it as he is part of it.

 

[silentkiller187]

The Nation stood witness to the difficult time it had to recemtly endure as it survived political turmoil that polarized and divided the country into opposing camps. Each camp had taken a position and no amount of rational or logic was enough for it to change opinions or to reconsider one’s preferred posture. The positions were firm, extreme and final – it was all wrong or then all right, black or then white, with us or then against us!


In this vein, on the 8th of April at about 1300 hours, I was requested to head a Commission to ascertain the facts about the damning letter/note/memo that was initiated by the US and was allegedly the focal device designed to meddle and interfere in the internal affairs of our Country. Supposedly the note implicated a number of leading politicians of the opposition in an act of disloyalty towards the State. I have no connections with any politicians or political party, am known to be apolitical and thus was deeply honoured to have been considered fit for such a sensitive task and entrusted with such a delicate national task. I was more than willing to undertake this task and felt that it was a duty to make myself available to the needs of my country. However, being in cognizance of the overall turmoil, environment and the ongoing political agitation, I felt that taking up such a position was subject to confirmation regarding the status of the Commission and my position if and when there would be a change in the Government. While waiting for such a confirmation, I thought it proper on account of the 38 years of affiliation with the Army, that I should consult the institution and determine their position on the matter as well. At about 1600 hours, I engaged the relevant office (not to be seen as the COAS’s secretariat as most would like to believe) and this was purely out of common courtesy, institutional respect, tradition and professional decorum. In turn, I was told to do as I please but to be careful of the consequences of getting politicized when I would conclude my investigation. One way or the other, the Army would be blamed by one side or the other only because I was the head of the Commission. Also, having not yet, been given any clarity on my position if the government was removed, I decided to pass on my regrets to the government in that I was unable to undertake the task at hand under the given circumstances and I communicated my position to the Government and the Media by 1800 Hours on the same day.


My principle reasons for having done so was that it appeared that the Government would not last for more than a day or two. For me to set up a Commission having selected relevant officials from different departments would take at least a week. To pursue the enquiry into the affairs of ‘influenced’ politicians would mean checking their travel records and the people they had met over the last six months, at the least. It would certainly involve access to their accounts and transfer of funds etc. to ascertain whether funds had changed hands. All told this was a matter that could take up a couple of months and that to if we worked at break- neck speed around the clock. With Government living on borrowed time and apparently for just another 48 hours, this Commission would shift to an entity under the new administration against whom it had been set up in the first place. I expected that the Commission would be withdrawn or then no cooperation would be extended to it, documents, records or references would be withheld and eventually having been declared a failure, it would be disbanded. On the dissolution of the Commission, the new Government would forcefully state, that having established a Commission, nothing untoward was discovered and as such they are innocent of all charges. The Commission would become a product and a means to establish that no foreign interference in the affairs of the State had taken place. The Commission would become a symbolic license, proving innocence and be quoted as a reference for times to come.


Now this is my explanation to all those who are interested in knowing what happened, for avoiding taking up the task, which to me was an obvious no-go and at cross purposes for what it was being established. However, once the media released the news of me not willing to head the Commission being set up, there was an out pouring of sentiments, some emotional, some in anger and many in disappointment. A flurry of fake tweets were put out in my name and false articles circulated on my behalf. I would like to vehemently state here that I have put nothing out in the media since 31st March which was about the Official Secret Act, I do not operate a twitter account, and my last interaction in the public domain was with Israr Kasana in an interview which is on Youtube. This is my first written communication since 31st March. Anything in between, shared, tweets, audio mails or blogs are all fake.


All the same people came up with ridiculous accusations of me being pro-American (Whatever that may mean) and cited a host of reasons for their allegations. First, they quoted that I was a recipient of the ‘Legion of Merit’, trying to bring the award into disrepute. I was awarded as a Pakistani Representative and not for my services to the United States. No officer of the Pakistan Army served under the United States. Then it was said that I was in CENTCOM, Florida for a year which, by their standards, meant that I was now a US proxy. I was in CENTCOM because I was ordered to be there. Nevertheless, I have also been awarded the Defence of Saudi Arabia and the Liberation of Kuwait medals. What would that make me? Furthermore, I have been all over the world to over forty countries, China for some time, Saudi Arabia for a year and in Qatar as an advisor for three years – why does this logic of being their proxy not apply here?


Another ridiculous allegation that is regurgitated by some people is that I somehow orchestrated the 2014 Dharna as Commander 1 Corps. I have been on record in giving a rejoinder to Hashmi and coming on TV clearing my name and distancing myself from it but it does not seem to go away. Do these people even understand as to what is the practical manifestation of their accusation? It’s simply not possible in the Army for any Corps Commander to arrange a political event in another station or for that matter, any station.

They go further and are obsessed with my immediate family – and claim my daughter is married to a US Marine/soldier/policeman/Sargent and the list goes on. Let me put it out in plain view for those who are obsessed with my family and their location so that they can rest in peace. My daughter is married to a civil engineer who is a US Citizen and distant relative. They proposed in 2003, we accepted, there was a formal engagement followed by a formal wedding in November 2006. The wedding was at Multan where I was the GOC and the entire Garrison was invited along with the Corps Commander and other senior officers of the Army.


The implication is that everything is in the public domain, transparent and open – what is the need for these false insinuations and why? Our daughter had done her Masters in Defence and Strategic Studies and another in Conflict Resolution from Monterey. Her husband and she bought their own house in the US where they live based upon a loan which they are still paying.

Our younger son graduated in Space Engineering from Wichita in 2018. After reviewing possibilities in Pakistan for a job, realized there was none in keepings with his qualification. He returned to the US where he was immediately employed and is working at Sacramento still awaiting a Green Card. He is married to an Afghan Girl and they live in a rented apartment.

Our elder son is an executive in a multi-national in Pakistan. He is a skeet shooter and shoots for Pakistan and ranks somewhere in the top 5. He has represented Pakistan in various international competitions and participated in the World Cup in Italy in 2019. Lives in Rawalpindi where he works.

We as a family have no property or accounts or any such material things anywhere in the world other than in Pakistan. I live in Tank/D I Khan and am available to all these rumor- mongers if they wish to validate anything. We live of our agricultural lands that have been in the family for ages. We do need anything material and are not looking for anything as such. My advice to such sick people is not to judge people by the low standards they maybe accustomed to or have set for themselves or the low values that one is so used to live by Everyone is not a thief or a turncoat or a traitor. I have survived 52 Kinetic operations for my country and led troops and young officers through operations clearing 38000 sq kms out of the 48000 sq kms of combat zone, cleared 3500 kms of lines of communication, and established the writ of the government in areas where angels would fear to tread. I have never sought recognition for this nor do I like to talk about these operations but I am forced to mention them here in response to the false insinuations by false people serving whatever ends they have found profitable to themselves. I draw my inspiration and values from an established lineage that goes back three centuries and is recorded. My Grandfather, The Nawab of Tank was responsible for the referendum in NWFP against the Congress and the Khan Brothers, where NWFP joined Pakistan. He set up the three lashkars, all of which were organized in Tank that liberated portions of Kashmir. My father and his six brothers fought in 1965 war in varying capacities including flying their own personal planes for reconnaissance flights. Four brothers fought in the 1971 war acquitting themselves honourably. How could I ever do anything to sully the high values established by my predecessors and there is nothing that I have written here that cannot be verified by records and cross references.

I end this note, hoping that those he needed a clarification are now clear about me conduct and those spreading falsities can find peace in silence and finally rest in peace. I thought this note was a necessity since to remain silent myself was to actually validate the accusations people had falsely thrown out against me and my family. I felt that these accusations needed to be addressed. I wish and pray that country finds its way through these difficult times, that we prosper as a nation and live with honour and dignity as a people.

This article is written by Lt General (r) Tariq Khan, the man who fought the war against militancy in most critical time of Pakistan’s history. He led active military operations as Brigadier, IGFC and as Lt General of Pakistan Army.As Commander Central Command and Corps Commander Lt General (retd) Tariq Khan was part of important decision making relating to Pakistan’s security.

http://reportersdiary.com/blog/13301/the-true-narrative/

 

[uberkoen]

Ah Gen Tariq, the man who's been pushing for presidential system and called out PM Sharif's on treason charges without even seeing the letter himself (let alone its content).

I would take what this guy says with a pinch of salt as its obvious where his bias lies.

Shahbaz Sharif has asked PTI to do a joint investigation on the letter via on-camera briefing. Why are PTI running away from this?

 

[daytrader]

Ah Gen Tariq, the man who's been pushing for presidential system and called out PM Sharif's on treason charges without even seeing the letter himself (let alone its content).

I would take what this guy says with a pinch of salt as its obvious where his bias lies.

Shahbaz Sharif has asked PTI to do a joint investigation on the letter via on-camera briefing. Why are PTI running away from this?

Umm simply because PTI members have resigned from Parliament so they would be excluded from the Parliamentary committee.

Shehbaz had the chance when PTI made him that offer and he's the one that ran away then. Now that he's in power, anything he does about lettergate is just an attempt to cover up. Best resolution is for SC to setup a judicial commission.

 

[Manunited18]

Umm simply because PTI members have resigned from Parliament so they would be excluded from the Parliamentary committee.

Shehbaz had the chance when PTI made him that offer and he's the one that ran away then. Now that he's in power, anything he does about lettergate is just an attempt to cover up. Best resolution is for SC to setup a judicial commission.

Yep. He was invited not once but twice but declined. We all know the reason when he clearly is part of all this.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Supreme Court on Tuesday received the “sealed confidential letter” — containing the alleged threat from the United States — sent by National Assembly Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri.

Deputy NA Speaker Suri tweeted that the National Assembly Secretariat had sent the “sealed confidential letter” on his directions and has been “received” by the office of Chief Justice of Pakistan Umar Ata Bandial.

“The honourable court is expected to form a commission similar to the one formed in the memogate scandal and hold an inquiry,” tweeted Suri.

The deputy speaker shared that in the letter it's “clearly written” that Pakistan would face strict actions if the no-confidence motion against Imran Khan had failed.

“As directed by the Acting Speaker, National Assembly of Pakistan, a confidential letter (in original) received from the Cabinet Secretary which was submitted by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Government of Pakistan (Cypher Bureau) to the Honourable Speaker, is onward submitted for kind perusal of the Honourable, Chief Justice of Pakistan,” says the letter which was received by the Supreme Court.

Soon after Suri’s announcement, PTI leader Fawad Chaudhry shared that Suri has sent the “original letter” to the chief justice.

“Now it is the responsibility of the Supreme Court to start an investigation on the letter and summon the concerned people, including the ambassador, to record their statement,” said Fawad.

GEO

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Vice-President Maryam Nawaz has said that former prime minister Imran Khan’s “lies” that the United States orchestrated a conspiracy to topple his government have been “ripped apart”.

“You [Imran Khan] played a dangerous game to cling to power. Used sensitive forums like the NSC [National Security Committee] for the conspiracy drama,” she wrote in a Tweet on her official handle on Thursday.

Her Twitter statement comes soon after DG ISPR Major General Babar Iftikhar categorically said that a communiqué issued following the NSC meeting last month did not contain the word conspiracy and also clarified that the military leadership did not give any options to ex-PM Imran to end the political crisis in the country.

Maryam added that Imran Khan had also approached the establishment to seek an NRO (relief in corruption cases).

In another tweet, she said the time has come to hold the former premier accountable for “playing” with the national security of the country for political gains.

On March 27, the high-powered NSC headed by then PM Imran met to discuss the diplomatic cable which the PTI government claimed contained evidence of the US plot seeking a regime change in Pakistan.

The NSC after the meeting issued a statement expressing serious concerns over the non-diplomatic language used in the cable, saying it was tantamount to interference in the internal matters of Pakistan. The NSC then decided to issue a demarche to the United States.

The NSC statement was subsequently used by former National Assembly Deputy Speaker Qasim Suri to block a vote on the no-trust move in a development that triggered a constitutional crisis.

Imran claimed the NSC had endorsed the government's view that vote of no-confidence was part of the conspiracy to remove him from power.

Express Tribune

 

[daytrader]

If he received an NRO then why is Imran Khan out on the streets of Pakistan? He should be sitting in London, like Maryam's papa

 

[silentkiller187]

US State Department spokesman Ned Price has said the United States agreed with the statement given by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General (DG) a day ago wherein he dismissed an impression of a foreign "conspiracy" to oust former prime minister Imran Khan's government.

The senior US official made this statement during a press briefing in response to a question from a journalist.

"Pakistan’s military spokesperson said they had no evidence to suggest that the United States had threatened or was involved in the conspiracy to seek the ouster of Imran Khan’s government. What are your comments on it?" the journalist had asked.

"We would agree with it," Price said.

Military spokesman Maj Gen Babar Iftikhar had on Thursday tried to clear the air about the alleged foreign conspiracy behind Imran's ouster and specifically mentioned that the National Security Committee (NSC) – which includes the army and ISI chiefs – did not use the word “conspiracy” in its statement on the "cablegate" unlike some political pronouncement by the PTI leaders.

Gen Iftikhar said the military’s stance on the cable was formulated after a thorough investigation by an intelligence agency.

The NSC, however, had noted that the message conveyed by a State Department official was tantamount to “blatant interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan”.

At a press briefing on Thursday, Price dismissed the accusations leveled by Imran, saying "there is no truth whatsoever to the allegations that have been put forward."

"We support the peaceful upholding of constitutional and democratic principles, including respect for human rights. We do not support, whether it’s in Pakistan or anywhere else around the world, one political party over another," he told the briefing.

The State Department official said the US supported broader principles, including the rule of law and equal justice under the law.

He also underlined that the United States looked forward to working with newly elected Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif and his government "to promote peace and prosperity in Pakistan and the broader region".

Price said the relationship between the United States and Pakistan had been a vital one for the last 75 years. "You probably saw a statement that we released from the Secretary last night regarding the selection of Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif," he added.

A day ago, US Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken had also congratulated Shehbaz Sharif and vowed to continue its long-standing cooperation with Pakistan's government.

Likewise, earlier this week, Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby had insisted that the US had a "healthy military-to-military relationship with Pakistani armed forces", hoping that "we have every expectation that will be able to continue to be the case".

https://www.dawn.com/news/1685125/u...tement-on-no-foreign-conspiracy-to-oust-imran

 

[MenInG]

WASHINGTON: The conversation that set off the so-called ‘Lettergate’ scandal took place on March 7 at a farewell lunch for the then Pakistan ambassador Asad Majeed Khan at his residence, which is also known as Pakistan House.

Diplomatic and official sources, who spoke to Dawn, said that although it was lunch, a note-taker also attended the meeting. The cable that Ambassador Khan later sent to Islamabad was based on the notes taken by the note-taker, who was also from the Pakistan Embassy.

US officials who attended the lunch included US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Donald Lu and Deputy Assistant Secretary Lesslie C Viguerie. The Pakistani side comprised Deputy Chief of Mission Syed Naveed Bokhari and the defence attaché.

Since the March 7 lunch-meeting was held less than two weeks after the Russian aggression against Ukraine, the invasion dominated the conversation. The sources said the US side expressed its ‘disappointment’ with Pakistan’s decision to send its prime minister, Imran Khan, to Moscow the day Russia invaded Ukraine.

“They pointed out how the invasion had angered the entire American nation and explained why they thought Mr Khan should have postponed his visit,” one of the sources said.

Another source said Mr Lu hinted that “Washington believes the final decision to go ahead with the visit despite the invasion was that of Imran Khan” although some Pakistani officials had suggested postponing it.

Also read: PM Imran says 'foreign-funded conspiracy' out to topple his govt, claims to have evidence in writing

Ambassador Khan, according to these sources, argued that it was a collective decision and that Pakistan had been trying for a Moscow visit for years. And when the invitation came, they could not turn it down or postpone it.

The Americans, however, argued that Islamabad should have also “considered Washington’s sensitiveness” on this issue before going ahead with the visit.

The sources said the conversation then drifted to the current political environment in Pakistan, and Mr Lu pointed out that Washington was keenly watching the situation and the outcome of the no-trust move against the then prime minister would impact US-Pakistan relations as well.

One source claimed Mr Lu’s arguments were “alarming and far from routine”, but he did not threaten a regime-change. The source also claimed that no one attending the meeting felt that the Americans were hatching a conspiracy to topple the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government. “No, there’s no conspiracy. Nobody got that impression,” the source added. “But they did say the outcome will impact bilateral ties, which can be interpreted either way.”

The sources said the Americans never concealed “their disappointment” with Pakistan over Mr Khan’s Moscow visit. They claimed that Army Chief Gen Qamar Bajwa had planned to visit Washington in April, but postponed it after learning how the Americans felt about Ukraine.

“I never thought it was a US conspiracy, but it triggered certain reactions that impacted the domestic political situation in Pakistan,” another source said. “What Mr Lu said reflected what the Biden administration feels and thinks. It was very unusual. Not one bit routine.”

The source claimed that the defence attaché’s presence in the lunch-meeting, and his earlier engagement with US officials on the Ukraine issue, explained why Gen Bajwa’s comments on Ukraine “marked a significant departure” from Imran Khan’s policies on this issue.

Former prime minister Khan argued that Pakistan made a mistake by joining the West during the Cold War, it should remain neutral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict and refused to condemn Moscow’s invasion.

Addressing a seminar in Islamabad on April 2, Gen Bajwa had slammed Russia’s military attack on Ukraine, calling for immediate cessation of what he described as a “huge tragedy” inflicted on a smaller country.

On Thursday, the military’s media wing — ISPR — also dismissed Imran Khan’s allegations of a US conspiracy, although it acknowledged that Washington had used language in the lunch-meeting that amounted to interference in Pakistani affairs.

The ISPR chief pointed out the National Security Council’s meeting on this issue expressed “grave concern” at the communication from Washington, but did not use the word ‘conspiracy’.

On April 8, in his last address to the nation as prime minister, Mr. Khan reiterated his allegations that a senior US diplomat threatened a regime-change in Pakistan.

In another statement, Mr Khan also named the official — Donald Lu — who allegedly made that threat during a meeting with Ambassador Khan.

On April 10, while commenting on Mr. Khan’s claim, a US State Department spokesperson Jalina Porter said: “Let me just say very bluntly there is absolutely no truth to these allegations.”

Published in Dawn, April 17th, 2022

 

[Energy]

Obviously PTI supporters will say the above is biased so there's no point debating over the authenticity of this so called foreign regime change.

Imran Khan has come across as a sore loser, and this has deeply hurt his ego, hence the false drama created around the letter and people asked to come on the streets and protest. Obviously if you're voted out on no-confidence motion it is the most embarrassing way to go out and leaves a lasting legacy in history books.

 

[uberkoen]

It was obvious from day one that the letter was a ploy by PTI to save their face as they were being dismissed from leadership. The are caught out on their lie now and running away from facing reality.

 

[kumjsr]

Is the PTI claiming that Pakistan Army is lying?

 

[wasim-fan]

It's ironic that Imran who started a party called Tehreek e Insaaf, has basically lied blatantly to his people. There is no way around this. It was obvious from the beginning. What a sad decline.

 

[uberkoen]

Is the PTI claiming that Pakistan Army is lying?

PTI is claiming that anyone that does not agree with their version of the story is a traitor. Literally everyone. That includes over 200 elected representatives, the army, the judiciary and the people who have not come out in his rally's.

 

[uberkoen]

It's ironic that Imran who started a party called Tehreek e Insaaf, has basically lied blatantly to his people. There is no way around this. It was obvious from the beginning. What a sad decline.

Not to mention the fact that the party that calls itself Tehreek E insaaf is out on the streets berating the supreme court of Pakistan and making a mockery of the constitution of Pakistan.

 

[MenInG]

READ

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Before your next post.

 

[MenInG]

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) on Monday rejected an intra-court appeal against the rejection of plea for investigating the diplomatic cable pertaining to the alleged plot to overthrow the government of former prime minister Imran Khan and putting the former prime minister on the Exit Control List (ECL).

An IHC division bench, comprising Justice Amir Farooq and Justice Sardar Ijaz Khan, upheld the decision of the single bench, comprising Chief Justice Athar Minallah. The bench also upheld the decision of imposing a fine of Rs100,000 on the petitioner Molvi Iqbal Haider.

The petitioner had requested the court to place former prime minister Imran Khan and his ex-cabinet members in the ECL and also sought orders for investigation into the 'lettergate'. Last week, Chief Justice Minallah had dismissed the petition.

Chief Justice Minallah ruled that making the diplomatic cables controversial was against the public interest and national security. He also ruled that subjecting the diplomatic cables to political debate or litigation affected the credibility of the Foreign Office’s work.

The chief justice had said that no citizen could claim to be more patriotic than the other or declare another a traitor. He added that every citizen was considered a patriot and loyal to the state unless a court declared him a traitor.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2353429/ihc-bench-rejects-plea-about-diplomatic-cable

 

[daytrader]

WASHINGTON: The conversation that set off the so-called ‘Lettergate’ scandal took place on March 7 at a farewell lunch for the then Pakistan ambassador Asad Majeed Khan at his residence, which is also known as Pakistan House.

Diplomatic and official sources, who spoke to Dawn, said that although it was lunch, a note-taker also attended the meeting. The cable that Ambassador Khan later sent to Islamabad was based on the notes taken by the note-taker, who was also from the Pakistan Embassy.

US officials who attended the lunch included US Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian Affairs Donald Lu and Deputy Assistant Secretary Lesslie C Viguerie. The Pakistani side comprised Deputy Chief of Mission Syed Naveed Bokhari and the defence attaché.

Since the March 7 lunch-meeting was held less than two weeks after the Russian aggression against Ukraine, the invasion dominated the conversation. The sources said the US side expressed its ‘disappointment’ with Pakistan’s decision to send its prime minister, Imran Khan, to Moscow the day Russia invaded Ukraine.

“They pointed out how the invasion had angered the entire American nation and explained why they thought Mr Khan should have postponed his visit,” one of the sources said.

Another source said Mr Lu hinted that “Washington believes the final decision to go ahead with the visit despite the invasion was that of Imran Khan” although some Pakistani officials had suggested postponing it.

Also read: PM Imran says 'foreign-funded conspiracy' out to topple his govt, claims to have evidence in writing

Ambassador Khan, according to these sources, argued that it was a collective decision and that Pakistan had been trying for a Moscow visit for years. And when the invitation came, they could not turn it down or postpone it.

The Americans, however, argued that Islamabad should have also “considered Washington’s sensitiveness” on this issue before going ahead with the visit.

The sources said the conversation then drifted to the current political environment in Pakistan, and Mr Lu pointed out that Washington was keenly watching the situation and the outcome of the no-trust move against the then prime minister would impact US-Pakistan relations as well.

One source claimed Mr Lu’s arguments were “alarming and far from routine”, but he did not threaten a regime-change. The source also claimed that no one attending the meeting felt that the Americans were hatching a conspiracy to topple the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government. “No, there’s no conspiracy. Nobody got that impression,” the source added. “But they did say the outcome will impact bilateral ties, which can be interpreted either way.”

The sources said the Americans never concealed “their disappointment” with Pakistan over Mr Khan’s Moscow visit. They claimed that Army Chief Gen Qamar Bajwa had planned to visit Washington in April, but postponed it after learning how the Americans felt about Ukraine.

“I never thought it was a US conspiracy, but it triggered certain reactions that impacted the domestic political situation in Pakistan,” another source said. “What Mr Lu said reflected what the Biden administration feels and thinks. It was very unusual. Not one bit routine.”

The source claimed that the defence attaché’s presence in the lunch-meeting, and his earlier engagement with US officials on the Ukraine issue, explained why Gen Bajwa’s comments on Ukraine “marked a significant departure” from Imran Khan’s policies on this issue.

Former prime minister Khan argued that Pakistan made a mistake by joining the West during the Cold War, it should remain neutral in the Russia-Ukraine conflict and refused to condemn Moscow’s invasion.

Addressing a seminar in Islamabad on April 2, Gen Bajwa had slammed Russia’s military attack on Ukraine, calling for immediate cessation of what he described as a “huge tragedy” inflicted on a smaller country.

On Thursday, the military’s media wing — ISPR — also dismissed Imran Khan’s allegations of a US conspiracy, although it acknowledged that Washington had used language in the lunch-meeting that amounted to interference in Pakistani affairs.

The ISPR chief pointed out the National Security Council’s meeting on this issue expressed “grave concern” at the communication from Washington, but did not use the word ‘conspiracy’.

On April 8, in his last address to the nation as prime minister, Mr. Khan reiterated his allegations that a senior US diplomat threatened a regime-change in Pakistan.

In another statement, Mr Khan also named the official — Donald Lu — who allegedly made that threat during a meeting with Ambassador Khan.

On April 10, while commenting on Mr. Khan’s claim, a US State Department spokesperson Jalina Porter said: “Let me just say very bluntly there is absolutely no truth to these allegations.”

Published in Dawn, April 17th, 2022

Some facts from this that even hardcore PDM supporters cannot deny:

• There was a meeting on March 7th between USA officials including Donald Lu and Pakistani diplomatic mission which included the Pakistani Ambassador, Deputy chief of Mission and defence attache. A note taker was present as well. All the above proves that the cipher was authentic.
• There was a discussion on Russia, the Ukraine War and Imran Khan's visit to Russia - US perception being that the decision to visit was solely Imran Khan's decision
• There was a discussion on the Vote of No Confidence and the USA was keenly watching the events
• There was a discussion on the outcome of the no-trust move and how it would impact US-Pakistan relations.

 

[Itachi]

Some facts from this that even hardcore PDM supporters cannot deny:

• There was a meeting on March 7th between USA officials including Donald Lu and Pakistani diplomatic mission which included the Pakistani Ambassador, Deputy chief of Mission and defence attache. A note taker was present as well. All the above proves that the cipher was authentic.
• There was a discussion on Russia, the Ukraine War and Imran Khan's visit to Russia - US perception being that the decision to visit was solely Imran Khan's decision
• There was a discussion on the Vote of No Confidence and the USA was keenly watching the events
• There was a discussion on the outcome of the no-trust move and how it would impact US-Pakistan relations.

How does those facts point towards conspiracy? It's just diplomatic conversation between both parties.

 

[daytrader]

How does those facts point towards conspiracy? It's just diplomatic conversation between both parties.

Didn't seem like a normal conversation to the Pakistani Mission present there. As stated in the article:

"What Mr Lu said reflected what the Biden administration feels and thinks. It was very unusual. Not one bit routine.”

Also DGISPR acknowledged to interference in Pakistani affairs

 

[Itachi]

Didn't seem like a normal conversation to the Pakistani Mission present there. As stated in the article:

"What Mr Lu said reflected what the Biden administration feels and thinks. It was very unusual. Not one bit routine.”

Also DGISPR acknowledged to interference in Pakistani affairs

Conversation can go either way. What you may not feel as routine may not hold true for others. If you attend meetings, then you will realize that not everytime it goes well since each party will try to push forward their interest which may conflict each other. That doesn't mean there is conspiracy.

What I also found strange is, what does army has to do with diplomatic meetings?

 

[daytrader]

Conversation can go either way. What you may not feel as routine may not hold true for others. If you attend meetings, then you will realize that not everytime it goes well since each party will try to push forward their interest which may conflict each other. That doesn't mean there is conspiracy.

What I also found strange is, what does army has to do with diplomatic meetings?

Meetings at this level have a routine hence why so many people were involved by both sides. It was obviously out of routine for US to suggest that they're not happy with Imran Khan deciding to visit Russia. They have no business inquiring into the vote of confidence and should work with whoever the government in Pakistan is.

As for the army, your comments don't reflect any learning from any of your discussions on the forum whether on this thread or any other. I find this very strange. Many posters, including myself, have pointed out to you that the Army is actively involved in Pakistani politics. It might not be the case in India, but we aren't discussing India here. You though use your Indian democracy as a template for discussion on Pakistani politics.

 

[oatmeal]

I can understand why IK wanted to create this narrative, but this is a big fat nothingburger. Diplomatic meetings are commonplace, and blunt conversations like these happen all the time behind closed doors. They arent supposed to be public so both parties can speak freely. Just look at the diplomatic cables that wikileaks released a few years back. They caused the US a lot of embarrassment

The US indicated its preferred foreign policy that Pakistan should take. Pakistan is free to ignore the US preferences and continue on its own path which it routinely does on many issues where the goals of the two nations dont align.

US recognizes its self interest and tailors support on international forums based on how closely the country is aligned with its foreign policy goals.

 

[RajBan]

I can understand why IK wanted to create this narrative, but this is a big fat nothingburger. Diplomatic meetings are commonplace, and blunt conversations like these happen all the time behind closed doors. They arent supposed to be public so both parties can speak freely. Just look at the diplomatic cables that wikileaks released a few years back. They caused the US a lot of embarrassment

The US indicated its preferred foreign policy that Pakistan should take. Pakistan is free to ignore the US preferences and continue on its own path which it routinely does on many issues where the goals of the two nations dont align.

US recognizes its self interest and tailors support on international forums based on how closely the country is aligned with its foreign policy goals.

Correct. I think Qureshi and IK wanted to trump opposition through this stunt without realising that the game can go out of hand with more and more stories fabricated to support the claim . Opposition were fully caught by surprise as this was beyond their imagination further feeding to the rumour mill. And the more opposition pressed, more PTI got dragged into their own game leading to the sequence of events in parliament. Now this may still help public sentiments to be in favour of IK but once he comes back to power he will find it extremely difficult to get any diplomatic space from US and their allies. And his relationship with Saudi or ME is nothing great either putting all dependencies back to China which is probably not a very matured foreign policy to adopt.

 

[wasim-fan]

Meetings at this level have a routine hence why so many people were involved by both sides. It was obviously out of routine for US to suggest that they're not happy with Imran Khan deciding to visit Russia. They have no business inquiring into the vote of confidence and should work with whoever the government in Pakistan is.

As for the army, your comments don't reflect any learning from any of your discussions on the forum whether on this thread or any other. I find this very strange. Many posters, including myself, have pointed out to you that the Army is actively involved in Pakistani politics. It might not be the case in India, but we aren't discussing India here. You though use your Indian democracy as a template for discussion on Pakistani politics.

If the diplomat went "out of his way" and showed his unhappiness with IK govt and spoke about VONC, insinuating that US doesn't prefer this govt, why did IK govt not summon the US ambassador or even dismissed him. IK said it was conspiracy / interference. Then why didn't he act.

He dissolved the assembly citing foreign interference and disloyalty of 70 % of representatives. How did he establish this link between this diplomatic channel communication and VONC against him ?

 

[Varun]

Did anything come out of this in the end?

 

[Itachi]

Meetings at this level have a routine hence why so many people were involved by both sides. It was obviously out of routine for US to suggest that they're not happy with Imran Khan deciding to visit Russia. They have no business inquiring into the vote of confidence and should work with whoever the government in Pakistan is.

As for the army, your comments don't reflect any learning from any of your discussions on the forum whether on this thread or any other. I find this very strange. Many posters, including myself, have pointed out to you that the Army is actively involved in Pakistani politics. It might not be the case in India, but we aren't discussing India here. You though use your Indian democracy as a template for discussion on Pakistani politics.

Varun has already wrote what I wanted to write so I won't reiterate the same thing again for the first point. IK could have send a displeasure letter to the US govt instead of calling it as conspiracy, an agenda which he tried to use to keep himself in power. That was very unethical and assassination of the morality within Pakistan establishment.

Secondly, should we define a different democracy for Pakistan since it doesn't follow the classic definition? In order to compare, you have to bring another entity to discussion or else against whom you will compare in the first place?

IK tried to use emotions of people to hold the chair but SC rightly deflected that attempt and kept the integrity.

 

[Itachi]

Did anything come out of this in the end?

It wasn't proved as conspiracy even though PTI boys tried to portray like it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It wasn't proved as conspiracy even though PTI boys tried to portray like it.

Conspiracies by their nature are going to be hard to prove, that is why they are called conspiracies. I am not saying that Khan's version is correct, but obviously a country trying to effect regime change is hardly going to openly admit to it.

 

[Technics 1210]

Conspiracies by their nature are going to be hard to prove, that is why they are called conspiracies. I am not saying that Khan's version is correct, but obviously a country trying to effect regime change is hardly going to openly admit to it.

Some of these users are clearly oblivious to the history of US sponsored regime change.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have no problem with this drama. All politicians do it. But surely they could have done a better story. The most sophisticated spy agency in the world wants to destabilize PTI and conveys this through a letter.

This I agree with. Seems absurd that they would be upfront about it. But then when the twin towers went down, American intelligence uncovered letters from the perpertrators laying out their plans in detail in a letter, and we often hear about this evidence or that evidence uncovered on hard drives after the event. It might just be to present a narrative to the public knowing that most of them will lap it up. Could be the same case with this supposed letter.

 

[Major]

Amreeka ka jo yar hai, woh ghaddar hai, ghaddar hai

 

[Bewal Express]

Amreeka ka jo yar hai, woh ghaddar hai, ghaddar hai

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Ilhan Omar is also anti American Foreign Policy of interference and overthrowing govts.

 

[Major]

Ilhan Omar is also anti American Foreign Policy of interference and overthrowing govts.

Ilhan omar = holy

 

[Bewal Express]

Ilhan omar = holy

Well she has more balls than the mafia in PK. You guys have laid down and want your Tummy tickled by your owners.

 

[Kianig89]

Tariq fatmi the one from yahoodi lobby named as advisor to PM another tight slap on the face of idaray )

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Amreeka ka jo yar hai, woh ghaddar hai, ghaddar hai

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After accusing the United States of removing him from office, here's ex PM with Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. Also, he's been complaining that opposition leaders who meet US officials are actually traitors.

Should the same be said about Imran Khan now?

 

[JaDed]

After accusing the United States of removing him from office, here's ex PM with Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. Also, he's been complaining that opposition leaders who meet US officials are actually traitors.

Should the same be said about Imran Khan now?

Ilhana Omar is herself not a fan of American Establishment, so this does make sense.

But yeah hypothetical of IK irrespective.. as he is meeting a US elected official..

 

[RajBan]

After accusing the United States of removing him from office, here's ex PM with Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. Also, he's been complaining that opposition leaders who meet US officials are actually traitors.

Should the same be said about Imran Khan now?

This is amazing from IK. No doubt he is the master of U turn.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Amreeka ka jo yar hai, woh ghaddar hai, ghaddar hai

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Ilhan met Shahbaz, President Alvi and NA speaker Raja Pervaiz. Yet its IK's meeting that irked you.

 

[Extra_Cover]

It wasn't proved as conspiracy even though PTI boys tried to portray like it.

When, where and how was this "proved"? Care to share some commission details with us please.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ilhana Omar is herself not a fan of American Establishment, so this does make sense.

But yeah hypothetical of IK irrespective.. as he is meeting a US elected official..

IK didnt say the every American or elected politician is part of the conspiracy.

He was clearning pointing at the white house administarion ,ie government of the US. Imran has never been anti-American but unlike the current leaders or Pak and Ind, he aint nobody lapdog.

 

[Major]

Ilhan met Shahbaz, President Alvi and NA speaker Raja Pervaiz. Yet its IK's meeting that irked you.

I dont think shabaz has started a conspiracy against US....

 

[Major]

After accusing the United States of removing him from office, here's ex PM with Congresswoman Ilhan Omar. Also, he's been complaining that opposition leaders who meet US officials are actually traitors.

Should the same be said about Imran Khan now?

There is a person called shebaz gill who is part of pti party and also held a post. The guy is employed by American uni, gets paid a salary and is a green card holder.

One of our journalist went up to him and said that you are making awaam believe in conspiracies and making them do such naras why dont you give out such nara....

Shebaz gill couldn't say a word and just tried to divert the convo

 

[Technics 1210]

IK didnt say the every American or elected politician is part of the conspiracy.

He was clearning pointing at the white house administarion ,ie government of the US. Imran has never been anti-American but unlike the current leaders or Pak and Ind, he aint nobody lapdog.

Don't, there is no point in stating the obvious to the sheep who follow MSM. This is the problem I suppose, once a sheep, forever asleep.

 

[Major]

IK didnt say the every American or elected politician is part of the conspiracy.

He was clearning pointing at the white house administarion ,ie government of the US. Imran has never been anti-American but unlike the current leaders or Pak and Ind, he aint nobody lapdog.

Just so you know, american govt is made up of three branches. The president, the congress and the judiciary.

The president doesnt act against its congress, it always takes them under their wing. If not, than congress can put a stop.
Especially when it comes to foreign policy

 

[JaDed]

IK didnt say the every American or elected politician is part of the conspiracy.

He was clearning pointing at the white house administarion ,ie government of the US. Imran has never been anti-American but unlike the current leaders or Pak and Ind, he aint nobody lapdog.

He is not meeting a Republican here but Democrat..Republicans under Trump were warmer to IK , then he had no issue ..

Democratic leadership is who is meeting..

 

[Technics 1210]

)

The US President is not a branch, his office is.

The 3 branches are legislative, executive, and judicial.

 

[Major]

IK didnt say the every American or elected politician is part of the conspiracy.

He was clearning pointing at the white house administarion ,ie government of the US. Imran has never been anti-American but unlike the current leaders or Pak and Ind, he aint nobody lapdog.

Just so you know, american govt is made up of three branches. The president, the congress and the judiciary.

The president doesnt act against its congress, it always takes them under their wing. If not, than congress can put a stop.
Especially when it comes to foreign policy

 

[daytrader]

There is a person called shebaz gill who is part of pti party and also held a post. The guy is employed by American uni, gets paid a salary and is a green card holder.

One of our journalist went up to him and said that you are making awaam believe in conspiracies and making them do such naras why dont you give out such nara....

Shebaz gill couldn't say a word and just tried to divert the convo

That's the same journalist who was rude to Fawad Ch in the press conference outside SC. Clearly Mattiullah jaan is on an anti PTI agenda

 

[daytrader]

It wasn't proved as conspiracy even though PTI boys tried to portray like it.

PTI has had the same stance on it since the controversy came to public light. The stance is the same as the first day, that there should be a judicial commission investigating this. The cipher is just the tip of the ice berg, there's more underneath however institutions don't want to open pandora's box

 

[Major]

Tip of the iceberg )) )

 

[KingKhanWC]

Just so you know, american govt is made up of three branches. The president, the congress and the judiciary.

The president doesnt act against its congress, it always takes them under their wing. If not, than congress can put a stop.
Especially when it comes to foreign policy

He was referring to the Biden Administration.

The US government is under the control of the Deep State. This is why they have been doing coup against various governments for the last 50/60 years.

But its sad to see crooks and traitors in Pakistan bending over for them.

 

[Major]

He was referring to the Biden Administration.

The US government is under the control of the Deep State. This is why they have been doing coup against various governments for the last 50/60 years.

But its sad to see crooks and traitors in Pakistan bending over for them.

Us govt does not make a foreign policy without its congress

 

[KingKhanWC]

Us govt does not make a foreign policy without its congress

lol.

US conducted over 60 Covert regime changes while in the Cold war with Soviets. Look up the word covert.

 

[Major]

lol.

US conducted over 60 Covert regime changes while in the Cold war with Soviets. Look up the word covert.

So you are saying that this so called regime change had nothing to do with foreign policy?

It was a covert operation? Covert operations are done by CIA and they dont communicate such operations through diplomatic channels.

Anad again, you need congress consent to pull such things

 

[KingKhanWC]

So you are saying that this so called regime change had nothing to do with foreign policy?

It was a covert operation? Covert operations are done by CIA and they dont communicate such operations through diplomatic channels.

Anad again, you need congress consent to pull such things

Regime change is a covert foriegn policy. Did the previous 60 go through congress?

Only a PPP supporter would think US would openly in Congress look to change the elected leader of a nuclear power )

 

[Major]

Regime change is a covert foriegn policy. Did the previous 60 go through congress?

Only a PPP supporter would think US would openly in Congress look to change the elected leader of a nuclear power )

Congress can have influence on the govt decision when it comes to clandestine activity.

Are you claiming this was a clandestine activity? if so, than why did Mr. Lu communicate this directly to our ambassador?

You are saying that CIA was gonna do clandestine operation, and instead of discussing with their own congress they decided to discuss with Pakistani Ambassador, whose govt they were gonna change?

Do you even bother to read what you write?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Congress can have influence on the govt decision when it comes to clandestine activity.

Are you claiming this was a clandestine activity? if so, than why did Mr. Lu communicate this directly to our ambassador?

You are saying that CIA was gonna do clandestine operation, and instead of discussing with their own congress they decided to discuss with Pakistani Ambassador, whose govt they were gonna change?

Do you even bother to read what you write?

Its illegal, so they are not going to Congress. Again did they go to Congress for the previous 60 coups? Answer a question before bringing your own.

The Biden Administration wanted IK out, they have been working on this for months with the traitor Nawaz in London. This is what Covert means.

 

[Major]

Its illegal, so they are not going to Congress. Again did they go to Congress for the previous 60 coups? Answer a question before bringing your own.

The Biden Administration wanted IK out, they have been working on this for months with the traitor Nawaz in London. This is what Covert means.

again, you guys claim a letter, a cypher communicated through the ambassador. So the Pakistani ambssador knew but now the US own congress?

In 2002 Congress passed the "Iraq Resolution" which authorized the president to "use any means necessary" against Iraq.

Congress is the one that approves the fundings for such actions

 

[KingKhanWC]

again, you guys claim a letter, a cypher communicated through the ambassador. So the Pakistani ambssador knew but now the US own congress?

In 2002 Congress passed the "Iraq Resolution" which authorized the president to "use any means necessary" against Iraq.

Congress is the one that approves the fundings for such actions

Its ok you dont have the capability to understand.

Congress is a public forum, covert operations dont go public. To compare this to the Iraq war is lacking basic understanding to be kind.

Biden Administation wanted regime change, they set in motion with Nawaz in London. The Cable was sent as a threat once they had everything in place.

Unless you think the Security Services are liars, its not even debated anylonger regime change was taking place by the Yanks.

Keep burying your head in the sand, you are only making yourself look a fool.

 

[Major]

Its ok you dont have the capability to understand.

Congress is a public forum, covert operations dont go public. To compare this to the Iraq war is lacking basic understanding to be kind.

Biden Administation wanted regime change, they set in motion with Nawaz in London. The Cable was sent as a threat once they had everything in place.

Unless you think the Security Services are liars, its not even debated anylonger regime change was taking place by the Yanks.

Keep burying your head in the sand, you are only making yourself look a fool.

I think its better if you go and read up on how American Govt operates before coming back here and posting your conspiracy theory filled narratives.

Also, as for Imran khan, again better to research on that too. The communication of donald lu was direct with the ambassador. Again, have no idea where you get your conspiracies from.

KingkhanWC logic: US trying to do a clandestine regime change, where CIA does nothing, they only give a msg to the army to act neutral. The plan isnt discussed with Congress but with the Pakistani Ambassador directly.

Rest In peace Logic

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think its better if you go and read up on how American Govt operates before coming back here and posting your conspiracy theory filled narratives.

Also, as for Imran khan, again better to research on that too. The communication of donald lu was direct with the ambassador. Again, have no idea where you get your conspiracies from.

KingkhanWC logic: US trying to do a clandestine regime change, where CIA does nothing, they only give a msg to the army to act neutral. The plan isnt discussed with Congress but with the Pakistani Ambassador directly.

Rest In peace Logic

Lets see how much you know.

1.

The democratically elected President Isabel Perón in the 1976 Argentinia was removed by coup d'état via USA. This is accepted history. Did the US follow your methods? Please show.

 

[Technics 1210]

Someone asking how the Amreekan government works needs to look no further than Iraq/Afghanistan. People who deny the proven method of the Amreekan government are the actual ones subscribing to conspiracies! )

 

[Technics 1210]

Lets see how much you know.

1.

The democratically elected President Isabel Perón in the 1976 Argentinia was removed by coup d'état via USA. This is accepted history. Did the US follow your methods? Please show.

He can then read up on the Gulf of Tolkin.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He can then read up on the Gulf of Tolkin.

I have dozens of coup regime changes by the US government for him to show his methods of Congress giving the green light is something out of disney films.

These people believe Imran Khan was selected but turn into the dumd,deaf and blind when actual recorded history proves the US is reguarly changing regimes, sometimes through invasions/attacks but other times its easier, simply pay off or do something for traitors within the selected nation. Sadly Pakistan has more traitors than most nations.

 

[Browncaps]

There is a person called shebaz gill who is part of pti party and also held a post. The guy is employed by American uni, gets paid a salary and is a green card holder.

One of our journalist went up to him and said that you are making awaam believe in conspiracies and making them do such naras why dont you give out such nara....

Shebaz gill couldn't say a word and just tried to divert the convo

He is not a journalist, but a lifafa thief of PMLN. His bullying behaviour during Fawad and Asad Umar's press conference and refusal to respect press conference etiquettes showed his true colours. Same applies for your other favourites like Saleem Safi and Asad Toor. If PMLN learnt how to be brave and stopped buying judges and others from institutions, such characters would be behind bars for breaking laws, instead due to PMLNs cowardice, compromised judiciary opens at midnight to save proven traitors who needed an NRO to avoid being hanged, returning the money they looted from Pakistan and return to politics.

Moeed Pirzada posted an excellent video on his youtube channel showing why due to lack of functioning judiciary people like Toor who have nothing to do with journalism can claim to be journalists, with all their support emanating from Maryam's illegal media cell.

No wonder Pakistan is the state it is currently in when likes of you who lie 24/7 here and support thieves and traitors were representing its diplomacy.

 

[SaadAliG]

He is not a journalist, but a lifafa thief of PMLN. His bullying behaviour during Fawad and Asad Umar's press conference and refusal to respect press conference etiquettes showed his true colours. Same applies for your other favourites like Saleem Safi and Asad Toor. If PMLN learnt how to be brave and stopped buying judges and others from institutions, such characters would be behind bars for breaking laws, instead due to PMLNs cowardice, compromised judiciary opens at midnight to save proven traitors who needed an NRO to avoid being hanged, returning the money they looted from Pakistan and return to politics.

Moeed Pirzada posted an excellent video on his youtube channel showing why due to lack of functioning judiciary people like Toor who have nothing to do with journalism can claim to be journalists, with all their support emanating from Maryam's illegal media cell.

No wonder Pakistan is the state it is currently in when likes of you who lie 24/7 here and support thieves and traitors were representing its diplomacy.

I don't know why we always talk in absolute terms, either a sellout or a patriot fighting for the country.

 

[Itachi]

When, where and how was this "proved"? Care to share some commission details with us please.

The day defendent failed to prove the conspiracy in supreme court

 

[Browncaps]

I don't know why we always talk in absolute terms, either a sellout or a patriot fighting for the country.

Last time I checked, in every country other than Pakistan, such compromised people would be nowhere near positions of power when they openly support thieves and traitors, mainly because their judicial system is not held hostage by people out of jail on the basis of an NRO.

Also, please feel free to prove that what I stated is not correct.

 

[MenInG]

The National Security Committee (NSC) on Friday said that there was no foreign conspiracy to topple the Imran Khan-led government, according to a statement released after the body met.

"The NSC discussed the telegram received from the Pakistan Embassy in Washington. Pakistan's former ambassador to the US briefed the committee on the context and content of his telegram," it stated.

The meeting of the NSC, which is the highest forum for coordination on security issues, was chaired by Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif.

It was attended by former Pakistan ambassador to the US Asad Majeed, ministers for defence, energy, information and broadcasting, interior, finance, human rights, planning, development and special initiatives, chairman joint chiefs of staff committee, services chiefs, and senior officers.

According to the statement, the NSC examined the "contents of the communication" shared by the ambassador and "reaffirmed the decisions of the last NSC meeting".

"The NSC was again informed by the premier security agencies that they have found no evidence of any conspiracy," the statement said, adding that the meeting concluded that "there has been no foreign conspiracy".

The statement comes a day after former prime minister and PTI Chairman Imran Khan, in a party rally in Lahore yesterday, called upon the entire nation to get ready for a nationwide movement to achieve “real” independence and democracy.

"I'm not giving a call just to the PTI but all of Pakistan: You all have to prepare in the streets, cities and villages. You have to wait for my call when I call you all to Islamabad," he had said.

The ex-premier first spoke of the cable and brandished it at a public rally on March 27. He said it carried details of the ambassador's meeting with Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia Affairs Donald Lu in which the latter allegedly threatened Pakistan.

Imran and his party linked the purported threat with the no-trust move against him in the National Assembly that led to his ouster from the top office.

Majeed, in the cable, reportedly said Lu warned that Imran's continuation as the prime minister would have repercussions for bilateral relations. The US, Imran claimed, was annoyed with his "independent foreign policy" and visit to Moscow.

DAWN

 

[Extra_Cover]

The day defendent failed to prove the conspiracy in supreme court

Mate I'm sure I know more about Pakistani politics like you would know more about Indian politics. So I ask again, when did Supreme Court hear any arguments on "conspiracy"?

 

[wasim-fan]

So I am guessing the conspiracy angle is over and this was just a lie to dissolve assembly and play victim.

 

[Bewal Express]

So I am guessing the conspiracy angle is over and this was just a lie to dissolve assembly and play victim.

Firstly,you guys claimed that the telegram was fake, well that lie has been put to bed.We know both the mafia and the army are in a bind. America has been involved in 84 coups and this was another. Can you tell us what we are to be forgiven for?

 

[IMMY69]

So I am guessing the conspiracy angle is over and this was just a lie to dissolve assembly and play victim.

Why so?

 

[Pakpak]

AMJAD MAJEED on ARY says.... Pressure being exerted on me to change statement.