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The massive importance of toss in this ICC T20 World Cup!

But still the toss factor is playing a huge role as soon as any captain is losing the toss the body language is not that good. I think the right way to go about is to adjust the timings of the final games to give equal chances to both the teams
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Afghanistan's decisions at the toss during the T20 World Cup:<br><br>v Scotland won toss batted first<br>v Pakistan won toss batted first<br>v Namibia won toss batted first<br>v India won toss bowled first<br>v New Zealand won toss batted first<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AFGvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AFGvNZ</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1457294533323108355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 7, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Given the conditions, Afghanistan should have fielded first in the games against Pakistan, and New Zealand. They could have defeated at least one of them.
 
Teams that have bowled first have the best batting line-ups as well.

There hasn't been as much dew in UAE this time around, so from my perspective, it comes down to the quality of batting in the first innings.
 
England is the best team in the tournament, and they won the toss against South Africa and bowled. Yet they lost the match.
 
NZ lost the toss 3 times, yet qualified for the semis.

Eng won the toss yesterday but lost.

But anything to downplay certain achievements.
 
Pakistan preparing to lose the toss in their heads - have to, to make sure they dont mess up because of this in the SFs
 
I wont be surprised if BCCI makes ICC to change the laws where in a schdule of A vs B, the A would choose what to do. Likewise in a B vs A, B decides.
 
MenInG said:
Pakistan preparing to lose the toss in their heads - have to, to make sure they dont mess up because of this in the SFs
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Yeah wise move. I doubt we will be able to get 60/70 runs from the last 5 overs against Aus or England though. So we just need to speed things up a little, not much, just a little in the power play. If we can get to 175 batting first, I will back us to win against anyone.
 
Major said:
I wont be surprised if BCCI makes ICC to change the laws where in a schdule of A vs B, the A would choose what to do. Likewise in a B vs A, B decides.
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If you think BCCI is Deciding every thing happened in cricket then why Pakistan play it just left ICC( oh sorry BCCI) ??
 
ChennaiFan said:
Given the conditions, Afghanistan should have fielded first in the games against Pakistan, and New Zealand. They could have defeated at least one of them.
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No way they could have defeated the two best teams of the pool when they are completely outplayed by India.
Actually I Think if they played more to win against India they could have come close.
 
Mobashir said:
No way they could have defeated the two best teams of the pool when they are completely outplayed by India.
Actually I Think if they played more to win against India they could have come close.
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Afghan team is over rated. These conditions are best for them, yet they couldnt deliver.

Poor team.
 
pakistani pride said:
NZ lost the toss 3 times, yet qualified for the semis.

Eng won the toss yesterday but lost.

But anything to downplay certain achievements.
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They won the most important toss, against india
You thought they will lose against Scotland, Namibia and Afghanistan?

India lost first 3 tosses against better teams in group
 
If Pakistan bat first they need to get 165+ or if they bowl first they need to restrict them to 160
 
Mitch Marsh insists the toss won't determine Australia's Twenty20 World Cup fate as he readies himself for a semi-final showdown with Pakistan's potent batters.

Teams batting second have won 18 of the 28 matches so far in the Super 12s stage of the tournament.

That trend is particularly true of 10 games in Dubai, where Scotland's inability to haul in a target of 173 against New Zealand has been the only unsuccessful chase.

The toss bias has been widely attributed to the impact of dew in night matches, with India bowling coach Bharat Arun arguing teams winning the toss have enjoyed a "big advantage" in Dubai.

The ground, famed for its 'ring of fire' lighting, is hosting the Australia-Pakistan semi at 1am AEDT on Friday and the final on Monday.

"I don't think the toss is overly important," Marsh said.

"Most teams have obviously chosen to bowl first when they've won the toss.

"But the couple of games that I was there (in Dubai), the dew didn't really come in.

"Obviously if you can bat first and post a big score then bowl well, you go a long way to winning.

"We're confident and now we're in the finals, anything can happen."

Marsh, who needs 10 more runs to set an Australian record for most T20I runs in a calendar year, was surprisingly dropped for a key clash with England.

The allrounder was recalled after that lopsided loss, underlining his value in a win over West Indies with a knock of 53 and tidy figures of 0-16 from three overs.

Selectors are expected to name an unchanged XI, banking on Marsh, Glenn Maxwell and Marcus Stoinis to deliver a combined four overs.

Marsh, who didn't bowl at this World Cup until Australia's last group-stage game, feels ready to deliver with the ball against the only remaining undefeated side of the tournament.

"The Pakistan batters come hard at all bowlers," the 30-year-old said.

"But I'm certainly not daunted by that task.

"It's about being prepared to bowl at any stage.

"It's purely execution under pressure. If you can do that then you go well.

"I love the challenge. This is why you play cricket ... now we're at the business end, it's going to be even more fun."

Australia are yet to win the men's T20 World Cup, with the current edition marking their seventh attempt.

Marsh, one of few to excel in T20 series losses to Bangladesh and West Indies earlier this year, understood why external expectations were low in Australia at the start of this tournament.

"Our form lines pre-World Cup probably suggested that we were going to struggle, but ... we were really confident," he said.

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globalcitizen said:
They won the most important toss, against india
You thought they will lose against Scotland, Namibia and Afghanistan?

India lost first 3 tosses against better teams in group
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Indian fans are such sore losers...it is not as if other teams had a way to win the toss? It was a 50/50 chance and coin rolled the other way.

A team with an outgoing coach who is saying the sun and the moon about the team under him...if you cannot overcome a minor factor like that (I mean your media claims just the two openers as Superman twins or something) plus Kohli and 2-3 other pretty decent batters plus all rounders...if they cannot win a few against a lost toss, they should stop playing the tournament that supposedly made them the top team in the world (again according to your media).
 
Monsee said:
Indian fans are such sore losers...it is not as if other teams had a way to win the toss? It was a 50/50 chance and coin rolled the other way.

A team with an outgoing coach who is saying the sun and the moon about the team under him...if you cannot overcome a minor factor like that (I mean your media claims just the two openers as Superman twins or something) plus Kohli and 2-3 other pretty decent batters plus all rounders...if they cannot win a few against a lost toss, they should stop playing the tournament that supposedly made them the top team in the world (again according to your media).
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Lol I can see how you are ignoring the toss factor , can understand what you are going through..
Anyway let's see if any teams opts to bat if they win toss
 
globalcitizen said:
Lol I can see how you are ignoring the toss factor , can understand what you are going through..
Anyway let's see if any teams opts to bat if they win toss
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Ignoring the toss factor, what are you on about, I did mention it in the very first sentence...you need to get your eyes checked!

Again, just to reiterate and ensure any blind folks can read, here it is again 'it is not as if other teams had a way to win the toss? It was a 50/50 chance and coin rolled the other way.'

Part of being a good team, great team, or a world beating team (which I doubt India ever was)...Aussies and WI were at least once each for one strecth of time in their history...is that you take all the handicaps/hiccups/uncontrolable factors and shove them to the other team and still win.

Toss, as the name suggests, is just a toss...each team is here to play, stop complaining and play cricket like a man not like a little child!
 
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globalcitizen said:
Lol I can see how you are ignoring the toss factor , can understand what you are going through..
Anyway let's see if any teams opts to bat if they win toss
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As Gavaskar rightly said, in the innings against Pakistan, you guys batted first and scored 150 odd, and against NZ you batted first again and scored a mere 110.

With these factors, whether it's dew or not, becomes irrelevant. This is just not enough runs on the board to defend.

Your world class batting simply failed in these two games. The NZ and Pak bowlers choked your megastar batsmen. It's a simple straight fact.

Doesn't that make sense to you?
 
Colorblind Genius said:
As Gavaskar rightly said, in the innings against Pakistan, you guys batted first and scored 150 odd, and against NZ you batted first again and scored a mere 110.

With these factors, whether it's dew or not, becomes irrelevant. This is just not enough runs on the board to defend.

Your world class batting simply failed in these two games. The NZ and Pak bowlers choked your megastar batsmen. It's a simple straight fact.

Doesn't that make sense to you?
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Do you know how much Australia scored batting first against England in same stadium?
It was 125

Against Pakistan india lost wickets due to good bowling and although they recovered, needed 175 to account for dew.

Against NZ india lost wickets due to change in strategy with ​dew in mind, and made a decision of going hard at top and lost wickets, and finally choked.

that risky change in strategy puts batting team at disadvantage. It becomes easier to bat in evening chasing a low score.

Things will only change if a team puts up 175 plus otherwise tough to win. We saw how much NZ scored against Pakistan and lost.

In group B, because of teams involved, it was literally between who wins 1 out of 2 games. Both Pakistan and NZ won toss against india and it had a say. That's my opinion and I am ok if you don't agree.

There is a world cup next year and luck will change around very soon .. cheers
 
Too much has been made of the toss in this WC. The ones making a huge fuss, did not have enough runs on the board in both the games they played and couldn’t have defended those below-par scores even if dew hadn’t set in.

Yes, teams batting second have had an advantage but that’s been the nature of T20Is since quite a long time. Teams prefer chasing, as at times you just don’t know what target is enough as a team batting first. On flat wickets, no score is enough and in challenging conditions you need to know what range is enough.

Indian fans whining on not being able to chase in two games is something they cannot present as an excuse for their team being downright dismal on the day.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Too much has been made of the toss in this WC. The ones making a huge fuss, did not have enough runs on the board in both the games they played and couldn’t have defended those below-par scores even if dew hadn’t set in.

Yes, teams batting second have had an advantage but that’s been the nature of T20Is since quite a long time. Teams prefer chasing, as at times you just don’t know what target is enough as a team batting first. On flat wickets, no score is enough and in challenging conditions you need to know what range is enough.

Indian fans whining on not being able to chase in two games is something they cannot present as an excuse for their team being downright dismal on the day.
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Few pointers -
Since advent of two new balls in odi cricket and t20 , chasing teams have upper hand when playing conditions are same as pitches are true and scores are over 350 in odi and 170 plus in t20

However , dew factor is important in many stadiums and especially on sticky wickets . If you weren’t playing close attention , watch the number of wickets taken by spinners while bowling first versus bowling second . A soggy ball takes spin out of picture rendering players like ashwin , jadeja out of picture .

Dew makes less of a difference between sides who have not too much difference . In the india versus Pakistan game , barring Afridi , other bowlers were ok and india actually did pretty ok at 150 . Likely 6 runs short . Pakistan winning by 10 wickets demonstrated how dew negated indian bowlers completely . If it was a close match and Pak would win by say 5 wickets , it would have been more ok . But dew did take away any semblance of a contest .

Enuf said . Pak won two tosses and Afridi bowled brilliantly . I hope they win . Can’t stand the English or aussies winning .
 
I was watching A Sports show yesterday and Wasim, Waqar were talking about how half the battle is mental. Yes, it is an advantage but if you go into the game thinking oooh we have to win the toss then you are going to lose. That means if you bat first, fine, give yourself that extra 25 runs as a cushion.

As we have seen in this world cup, when teams have put up 170+ batting first, they have invariably won.
 
globalcitizen said:
Do you know how much Australia scored batting first against England in same stadium?
It was 125

Against Pakistan india lost wickets due to good bowling and although they recovered, needed 175 to account for dew.

Against NZ india lost wickets due to change in strategy with ​dew in mind, and made a decision of going hard at top and lost wickets, and finally choked.

that risky change in strategy puts batting team at disadvantage. It becomes easier to bat in evening chasing a low score.

Things will only change if a team puts up 175 plus otherwise tough to win. We saw how much NZ scored against Pakistan and lost.

In group B, because of teams involved, it was literally between who wins 1 out of 2 games. Both Pakistan and NZ won toss against india and it had a say. That's my opinion and I am ok if you don't agree.

There is a world cup next year and luck will change around very soon .. cheers
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So let me get this straight REGARDLESS of whether the dew factor has anything to do with anything.

Your world class team bats first and scores 110 runs in a T20 game against NZ, and you had high hopes to win?
 
In Dubai, Toss will not be significant. The problem in the initial part of the Tournament in Dubai was that
Pitch would have some moisture initially so bowling team would have best advantage in the first 10
overs after which pitch would flatten out.

Dew has not been a factor off late in dubai, however It was a factor in Sharjah and in few games at Abu dhabi . The last Match in Dubai had a flat surface and offered no advantage for any team which tells you that Pitch curators have got the feedback and since less matches are being played they have more time to prepare and not to water it too much
 
Colorblind Genius said:
So let me get this straight REGARDLESS of whether the dew factor has anything to do with anything.

Your world class team bats first and scores 110 runs in a T20 game against NZ, and you had high hopes to win?
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That's nature of t20s .. more chances of ending up with below par scores. What is surprising there?
Tournament would have been competitive if pitches were good for both teams. Can't remember any good matches in this world cup. Hopefully finals is going to be better.
 
The toss was not the reason England lost.England was on course to win but Jordan a very bad over which shifted the momentum towards New Zealand.
 
Q. How important do you think the toss has been in this World Cup and do you think losing the toss is a big disadvantage?

AARON FINCH: I think when it comes to finals it doesn't make too much of a difference to be honest. I believe getting runs on the board, especially in a final, can be really beneficial. We've talked about it. We're confident that we can win if we happen to bat first or second.
 
Aman said:
There was no dew from what I saw.

This narrative is being pushed on every match because salty Indians can't digest that they got hammered by Pakistan.
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Who said its only dew? Under lights the wickets tend to be more even paced. Finch said as much today and this has happened previously as well. The ball just doesnt grip as much in the 2nd innings even without dew.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Spot on.

This wc is a Joke. Win the Toss win the Match.
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you can win the toss and win the match in the finals.....it is all luck nothing else kind of WC...NZ was also hammered by Pakistan after winning the toss...just get lucky one more time at the toss and win the cup...haha.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Who said its only dew? Under lights the wickets tend to be more even paced. Finch said as much today and this has happened previously as well. The ball just doesnt grip as much in the 2nd innings even without dew.
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That's absolutely correct and this sort of thing happens in any day night game. The problem is lot of Pacers practice slow balls these days and yorker can go slightly wrong and becomes a half volly.

I would dare any team to score 40 in 3 overs against likes of bumrah who is the among very few pacers
totally rely on yourkers. Today game was lost because of this left arm angle working for a left handed batsmen.

First Starc was thrashed by Fakhar and then Shaneen both didn't bowl badly at all, its just the left hander exlpoited the angle so well. Starc, shaheen, or trent boult hardly practice round the wicket angle which takes ball away from Left hand batsmen.
 
Mahee said:
you can win the toss and win the match in the finals.....it is all luck nothing else kind of WC...NZ was also hammered by Pakistan after winning the toss...just get lucky one more time at the toss and win the cup...haha.
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Hardly hammered, that game was pretty close and one more wicket at the end that would have been NZ's match.

Funny after that NZ Pakistan game I don't recall Pakistan fans talking about the fact that they only won that game due to the toss.

Don't be salty, Pakistan lost to a better side today. Be gracious in defeat

Australia will be hard to beat in the final.
 
I did think that Babar had been pretty lucky with winning all the tosses during the group stage, and that the law of averages might strike him during the knockouts and strike it did. You can recall that the one other game Pak did lose was in the warm up game against the Saffers when Van der Dussen hauled down a target that looked in Pakistan's favour for the most part like this game. Of course, losing the toss doesn't automatically mean you lose the match, but winning the toss definitely gives an advantage or a head start to the team that won the toss. It always felt like teams batting first always struggled to work out what was the safe score during this entire tournament, and they either got sub par scores or collapsed while trying to achieve above par scores while batting first.

Yes, you can say there was no dew, etc etc, but if winning the toss had no advantage, you would see teams thinking hard about choosing to bat or field first depending the nature of the wicket and conditions. But when captains immediately say they'll bowl first even before the interviewer asks about their decision for almost every match, you know there is some advantage in batting second. They showed a graphic card before the game that teams batting first won one game at Dubai and teams batting second won 8 or 9 games I think in this world cup. You can add one more to the tally of winners batting second after this match.
 
street cricketer said:
I did think that Babar had been pretty lucky with winning all the tosses during the group stage, and that the law of averages might strike him during the knockouts and strike it did. You can recall that the one other game Pak did lose was in the warm up game against the Saffers when Van der Dussen hauled down a target that looked in Pakistan's favour for the most part like this game. Of course, losing the toss doesn't automatically mean you lose the match, but winning the toss definitely gives an advantage or a head start to the team that won the toss. It always felt like teams batting first always struggled to work out what was the safe score during this entire tournament, and they either got sub par scores or collapsed while trying to achieve above par scores while batting first.

Yes, you can say there was no dew, etc etc, but if winning the toss had no advantage, you would see teams thinking hard about choosing to bat or field first depending the nature of the wicket and conditions. But when captains immediately say they'll bowl first even before the interviewer asks about their decision for almost every match, you know there is some advantage in batting second. They showed a graphic card before the game that teams batting first won one game at Dubai and teams batting second won 8 or 9 games I think in this world cup. You can add one more to the tally of winners batting second after this match.
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I see lot of poster's crying about Toss. What they fail to understand is that In T20, Teams all over the world prefer chasing. Please check the record all over the world in last one year and you will see a higher
winning percentage for teams batting first.

So, its not unique that team chasing have an advantage as they know the total. In 20 over's game where
losing few wickets doesn't matter and chasing team keep hitting 9 or 10 an over while chasing makes defending total very difficult.

Yes, The condition in UAE have some advantage for teams bowling first but this is part and parcel of this game. The problem which bowlers have faced in death overs by both teams is that ball goes bit soft and
doesn't grip the surface as much and maximum runs have been scored in the last 5 overs in most of the matches in "both" innings.

It will always look ugly on the team defending the total. I would take a bowler like Bumrah and defend these 60 of 30 balls happily but very few bowlers can ball yorkers after yorkers with that sort of accuracy
Most of the bowlers use SLow balls in death overs but when ball goes soft they just sit up asking to be hit.

Death bowling is the most crucial challenge in the batsmen dominated T20 format. I am sure bowlers will start using angles, wide yorkers etc. Another thing is to have a left hander in the final overs as they create a different angle and challenge.

The problem with people in Sub continent is that they are so loaded with bias/hate/politics that we simply
do not treat sports as just sports. We are the least sporting people in the world that's the problem

Last two semi's were a treat to watch. sadly one team has to lose England lost, pakistan lost and one of the finalist will also loose. These pitchs have provide a different challenge and all teams would have gained something to reflect on and learn. Hope few posters over here also do that
 
Now that the kaccha chitta is wide open, it becomes fair.
The onus is with the team losing the toss to come with a counter plan. Theres always an antidote.

In the early India game, the importance of the toss win , early swing, dew was underlined. Not at this stage of the tournament
 
Win the toss n win the match

all around the world under lights the wickets change their behavior and normally become more conducive for batting.
Add dew to the above and it becomes a run fest for the team batting second as the ball skids through n comes Nicely on to the bat.
For any bilateral series it normally is not considered a big thing n all teams take it in their stride.
But this being the world cup, ICC should have been more proactive n aware n should have done every thing in its power to mitigate the advantage that the team batting second gets due to playing at night.
If they were sleeping during the preliminary round than by the time the semis rolled in it became crystal clear that the team batting second under lights gained a massive advantage due to the light n dew. So ICC needed to do somthing about it.
All the needed to do was move the semi n final starting time a few hours back. But nothing was done.
Result being that both the semis were lost in the last 5 overs, when the advantage is greatest in favor of batting side.
So u win the toss n basically you will win the match 95 percent of the time.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Probably they should have a day game? For monetary reasons, they have D/N games.
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For TRP Purposes (Indian Prime Viewing Time). But they can easily schedule the finals early in the after noon as it even helps both Australia & NZ as their viewers back home can watch it before night! Indian Viewers whoever (anyways only hardcore cricket-fans will catch this match!) will still watch it. But I am not sure ICC has this flexibility!
 
Again in semifinal it has proved. Win the toss win the match. Pakistan lucky to win toss against India and newzealand
 
dravidthewall said:
Again in semifinal it has proved. Win the toss win the match. Pakistan lucky to win toss against India and newzealand
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India got bullied by both Pakistan and New Zealand, unlike us where we just lost a close game to Australia. Yet you don’t see many fans crying about the toss here. Chasing is an advantage, but when you don’t deserve to win when you play like India did in this WC.
 
Usman Chadda said:
India got bullied by both Pakistan and New Zealand, unlike us where we just lost a close game to Australia. Yet you don’t see many fans crying about the toss here. Chasing is an advantage, but when you don’t deserve to win when you play like India did in this WC.
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Not close game. Match had been finish inside 16 overs. If Warner not walk on not out. It's easy chasing in this worldcup
 
dravidthewall said:
Not close game. Match had been finish inside 16 overs. If Warner not walk on not out. It's easy chasing in this worldcup
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If Indian fans are using the toss as a coping mechanism, feel free to do so. Your team was rubbish and not comparable to the performances England and Pakistan put out at a disadvantage. However, they both lost due to their own mistakes, dew or ‘pitch getting faster under lights’ don’t matter if Jordan bowls such filth and Hasan Ali decides to become man of the match for the other team.
 
In T20s chasing is always an advantage in any condition.

And it's not the first time that dew factor has impacted cricket matches....even in 2011 WC final dew was a major factor when SL were bowling but I didn't see anyone complaining about it.

Wonder why so much hue and cry about it now.

Dew, DL method, rain-delays have always been a factor in cricket....sometimes it can favour you other ocassions it may harm your chances....no point moaning about it after losing.
 
Ashmal said:
In T20s chasing is always an advantage in any condition.

And it's not the first time that dew factor has impacted cricket matches....even in 2011 WC final dew was a major factor when SL were bowling but I didn't see anyone complaining about it.

Wonder why so much hue and cry about it now.

Dew, DL method, rain-delays have always been a factor in cricket....sometimes it can favour you other ocassions it may harm your chances....no point moaning about it after losing.
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Of course when srilanka won toss and themselves opted to bowl second, why would Indians complain or talk about it? Lol

Here we are talking about teams getting lucky with toss and always choosing to bowl first because it's massive advantage
 
fight_club said:
I see lot of poster's crying about Toss. What they fail to understand is that In T20, Teams all over the world prefer chasing. Please check the record all over the world in last one year and you will see a higher
winning percentage for teams batting first.

So, its not unique that team chasing have an advantage as they know the total. In 20 over's game where
losing few wickets doesn't matter and chasing team keep hitting 9 or 10 an over while chasing makes defending total very difficult.

Yes, The condition in UAE have some advantage for teams bowling first but this is part and parcel of this game. The problem which bowlers have faced in death overs by both teams is that ball goes bit soft and
doesn't grip the surface as much and maximum runs have been scored in the last 5 overs in most of the matches in "both" innings.

It will always look ugly on the team defending the total. I would take a bowler like Bumrah and defend these 60 of 30 balls happily but very few bowlers can ball yorkers after yorkers with that sort of accuracy
Most of the bowlers use SLow balls in death overs but when ball goes soft they just sit up asking to be hit.

Death bowling is the most crucial challenge in the batsmen dominated T20 format. I am sure bowlers will start using angles, wide yorkers etc. Another thing is to have a left hander in the final overs as they create a different angle and challenge.

The problem with people in Sub continent is that they are so loaded with bias/hate/politics that we simply
do not treat sports as just sports. We are the least sporting people in the world that's the problem

Last two semi's were a treat to watch. sadly one team has to lose England lost, pakistan lost and one of the finalist will also loose. These pitchs have provide a different challenge and all teams would have gained something to reflect on and learn. Hope few posters over here also do that
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It's not "part of the game" that teams chasing have won 11 times in the 12 matches that has been played at Dubai in this WT20 and the only exception was when NZ won against Scotland. If you just see sport as sport, you will recognise that the win percentage is exceedingly skewed towards teams batting second.

Tosses are meant to be such that you give the captain to assess the pitch and conditions and to choose wisely whether to bat or bowl first. But when the toss decision becomes a mere formality and you can predict what the toss winning captain will call even before the toss has taken place with almost a 100% certainty, it just means the toss assumes a huge influence and gives a good advantage to the team that wins it. I can bet my life savings and my family's life savings that whichever team wins the toss will choose to bat second, I can't do that for other tournaments.

The proof is in the pudding. If winning the toss didn't confer a significant advantage, teams wouldn't choose to bat second every single time.
 
Toss could be and is probably an advantage but when you lose by 10 wickets or 5 overs to spare in a T20 game, then the real advantage winning team had over the losing team is that the quality gulf between them was too wide. And Indian team should be the last to complaint when they had been in uae for over a month prior to world cup and would have know about the correct score to defend.
 
Comparisons have been drawn between the left-handers' respective last-over onslaughts, with Hussey bludgeoning 18 (including three sixes) from four deliveries off Pakistan leg-spinner Saeed Ajmal in St Lucia, while Wade's 20 from four balls came against speedster Shaheen Afridi.

Both pyrotechnics shows came in knockout matches that Pakistan had dominated for much of the earlier phases, and ensured Australia enter the only two finals they've reached at T20 World Cups with breeze at their backs.

But Hussey sensed it was not to be plain sailing when they flew to Barbados just hours after the completion of that memorable 2010 semi-final to face England, who had been in red-hot form.

"At least the Aussies have got a couple of days this time just to come down off the high, to re-assess and then go again," Hussey told cricket.com.au.

"But there's no worries about getting up for a World Cup final after such a big semi-final, they'll be jumping out of their skins.

"The semi-final we won, I felt Pakistan played arguably the better cricket throughout the game and my sense was we were just starting to tail off.

"If we'd played England in the final maybe two games earlier, then it might have been a different story, I don't know.

"I just felt we were tapering off a touch, but that's just my opinion – I'm sure there are other guys who disagree with me there.

"But I think this Aussie team has been good in building momentum and has got gradually better with each game.

"There were a few question marks over this Aussie team at the start of the tournament, but it's just got better and better and gained more confidence as they've gone along."

Hussey noted the key to tournament play was ensuring things were going well enough in the group stage to make it through to the playoff rounds, but still to have room for improvement at the pointy end of competition.

However, he also noted Australia's 2007 flawless one-day World Cup campaign in the West Indies – of which he was a part – was an exception to that rule because "that team was in top form all the way through, it was unbelievable".

The fact that Australia outfit under Ricky Ponting was at the height of its considerable powers and carried all before it in both Test and ODI formats provides Hussey pause to consider the formidable obstacle New Zealand represents in 2021.

But for a wretched overthrow and a curious countback system, the Black Caps might be holders of two of global cricket's three most prestigious trophies with a chance of claiming the T20 crown on Sunday evening.

Despite NZ's recent run of success, Hussey is tipping Australia to win their first T20 World Cup although he also believes the outcome might be hugely influenced by events before a ball is bowled.

"Obviously I'm going to tip Australia, but not with full confidence," he said.

"I think New Zealand have been superb, and fantastic in all three formats of the game in the last few years so what a triumph it would be for them if they could cap it off.

"I hate to say it, and I don't like to see any result being influenced by the coin toss, but I think the toss will be crucial.

"I think there's been a high proportion of games at this World Cup that have been won by the team batting second, and that's significant.

"So as much as I don't like it, maybe the team that wins the toss has a huge advantage."

Read more at:

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/mik...ustralia-t20-world-cup-semi-finals/2021-11-13
 
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This is one area of Cricket that can be very unfair. The team that wins the toss often has an advantage when the decision is based on how the wicket appears. This needs to be looked at very closely.
 
PakLFC said:
This is one area of Cricket that can be very unfair. The team that wins the toss often has an advantage when the decision is based on how the wicket appears. This needs to be looked at very closely.
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Nothing can be done in ICC tournament . bilateral series i can understand that guest team can do whatever they want to do if they allow.
 
Devadwal said:
Nothing can be done in ICC tournament . bilateral series i can understand that guest team can do whatever they want to do if they allow.
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Got to be innovative. Perhaps something like both teams bat twice in a 50 overs contest or something like that.
 
Aus Won 6 out of 7 Tosses.
They won all 6 matches.
They lost one toss and they lost that match badly.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Australia won 6 matches at the T20 World Cup. All by batting second:<br><br>8 wickets v New Zealand<br>5 wickets v Pakistan<br>8 wickets v West Indies<br>8 wickets v Bangladesh<br>7 wickets v Sri Lanka<br>5 wickets v South Africa<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1459937101454139397?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2021</a></blockquote>
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This world cup was always going to be one of the most hollow wins for any team who won it. Australia have been the luckiest and won. They are not even the best 4 teams in world T20 right now. They've fluked this tournament win. Wouldn't be surprised if this same team gets smoked by Bangladesh 4-1 once again in Bangladesh. On form, an England- Pakistan final would've been the most deserving.
 
How many games were won by SA, Aus, India, Pakistan, NZ, and Eng after losing toss against each other?
 
Buffet said:
How many games were won by SA, Aus, India, Pakistan, NZ, and Eng after losing toss against each other?
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I meant I won't single out Aus.

How many games do other teams win after losing the toss?
 
T20 WC 2021 (In Dubai):

Matches Played : 13
Matches won by Chasing side : 12

( The remaining one NZ v Scotland where NZ won by batting first )
 
You had to pretty much target 190 here. Now you can get bowled out for 140 by targeting 190, but losing after scoring 140 or 160 hardly makes difference.

The only game won while batting first was by SA and the target was 190. Now maybe some team could have won by 170 as well, but chances were very slim. It becomes far too easy to chase.
 
190 or 170 doesn’t matter. You have to give credit to the way Australia batted. Mitch Marsh absolutely smoked it. In the semifinal vs Pakistan, it was Australia attacking game that won them the game despite being on the ropes
 
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Tells you all you need to know not just about this tournament, but about the format in general.
 
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Pak and eng did well to take semis so deep. If pak or eng had batted second, they would of won by 10 or 9 wkts easily.
Only 190 plus gives u a fighting chance batting first. Joke.

Aus won 6 out of 7 tosses & surprise surprise got walloped when they lost the toss.
 
Not that it matters but Pakistan and England look like the best two sides by a distance.
England will remain a beast in white ball cricket while we saw good signs for pak moving forward.
Australia in world tournaments always find a way.
 
Luckiest team is AUS for winning most tosses. Unluckiest would have to be India for losing two major tosses. Eng and Pak had a bit of luck and played very well until the SF.

Earlier there was dew which made things worse for batting first in Dubai. In the SF and final there wasn't dew but the pitch was holding up a bit when batting first. That was enough to favor the teams batting second. Slower balls were dispatched with disdain when batting second
 
I can see now some people joining us who called out this from day 1 and its turned out a bloodbath by the end.
TOSS THE BOSS
 
Buffet said:
You had to pretty much target 190 here. Now you can get bowled out for 140 by targeting 190, but losing after scoring 140 or 160 hardly makes difference.

The only game won while batting first was by SA and the target was 190. Now maybe some team could have won by 170 as well, but chances were very slim. It becomes far too easy to chase.
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This. People don't understand this. Teams have to score that extra 20 runs. IPL final CSK made 192 rusn on the very same ground. Defended despite great start by KKR. Middling scores cannot be defended.
 
Cric1234 said:
How many of the full team
Actually played in those series I don’t know they surely rested their main players they look a decent team on paper.
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Weird thing is no one in Australia would try to tell you were are even a particularly good T20 team...
 
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