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The myth that Umar Akmal can't score runs batting at #6

He is the highest run-scorer at number 5 in history who have played more than 31 innings, and he has done well in 81% of his matches for Pakistan.

Regards,

[MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION]

:salute:
 
Mamoon said:
He is the highest run-scorer at number 5 in history who have played more than 31 innings, and he has done well in 81% of his matches for Pakistan.

Regards,

[MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION]

:salute:
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Have a look at that list - for years we're told by the Akmalistas that we should not simply look at his average at 6. Instead we must compare him to other batsmen batting in same position.

OK let's do that comparison now.

His average is 22nd on the list of ODI batsmen at #6 since the start of 2014 against the top sides, narrowly squeaking ahead of Farhaan Behardien and Mohammad Rizwan. This is the indispensable batsman whose dynamism and aggression we cannot replace ?

So why is it that giants of the game like Jimmy Neesham, Mitchell Marsh, Asela Gunaratne (talented youngster but a recent entrant onto international stage), Milinda Siriwardana and Fawad frickin' Alam are averaging higher than him at #6 ?
 
What I don't understand is why should Umer Akmal be privileged to bat at a position that he finds comfortable rather than batting where Pakistan needs him to bat.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
It's not necessary in ODIs. Plenty of make-shift openers have succeeded in the past and today.
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You want to entrust ODI opening to a guy who thinks loosing weight (read: being fit) will reduce his overall batting power :facepalm:

I am sorry but he's had 100+ brain freezes over the course of nearly a decade in representing Pakistan while all that he has managed until now can be ideally summed in a single word : MEDIOCRITY.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
You want to entrust ODI opening to a guy who thinks loosing weight (read: being fit) will reduce his overall batting power :facepalm:

I am sorry but he's had 100+ brain freezes over the course of nearly a decade in representing Pakistan while all that he has managed until now can be ideally summed in a single word : MEDIOCRITY.
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Hey Sehwag and Sanath were fat too. So was Inzi. And now with Sharjeel gone we need a new comic relief. Akmal should be tried as an opener and if he fails, then discard him for 3-4 more years.
 
Markhor said:
Have a look at that list - for years we're told by the Akmalistas that we should not simply look at his average at 6. Instead we must compare him to other batsmen batting in same position.

OK let's do that comparison now.

His average is 22nd on the list of ODI batsmen at #6 since the start of 2014 against the top sides, narrowly squeaking ahead of Farhaan Behardien and Mohammad Rizwan. This is the indispensable batsman whose dynamism and aggression we cannot replace ?

So why is it that giants of the game like Jimmy Neesham, Mitchell Marsh, Asela Gunaratne (talented youngster but a recent entrant onto international stage), Milinda Siriwardana and Fawad frickin' Alam are averaging higher than him at #6 ?
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I agree with you. Umar has had a mediocre career so far and is a dumb batsman. No match awareness, no temperament, no intelligence, nothing. Just a gifted striker but that is only 10% of batting.

I was simply using the logic of [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] who was arguing with me after I said that Umar has had a mediocre career so far.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-with-Babar-Azam-not-me-quot-Umar-Akmal/page2

Take a look, some absolute gems on his part.

Nonetheless, I'm tempted to play Umar as an opener because his dumbness as a batsman will be less exposed their, and he might get more success for his wild slogs. A quick-fire 30 as an opener is worth more than a quick-fire 30 in the middle-order in most cases.
 
Most of the successful ODI openers in history have been make-shift ones. Dilshan was a mediocre middle-order batsman for a decade but transformed into a world class opener.

Not saying Umar will be world class as an opener, but given his batting style, he will serve the team better as an opener.
 
Basically, Umar Akmal fans live in a Trump-esque world of alternative facts and shifting goalposts in which they rapidly shift from one incoherent argument to another in the hopes that readers are overwhelmed by the sheer deluge of nonsense and succumb to "Maybe you have a point".

First it was wicket keeping that was negatively affecting his game. Except his batting figures are better when he has the gloves than when he plays as a specialist batsman.

Then it was a case of Umar being wasted at #6 or #7, how could he possibly succeed in that role when he's not suited for it? Except his batting figures are better when batting lower in the order than it was higher up.

Then it was "Look at the first season of the PSL! He batted in the top order and he was amazing! Told you guys he was best against the new ball!" Except he only batted at #3 when the openers had seen off the new ball and batted for 10 overs or more. He never batted at #3 when an early wicket fell.

Then it was Misbah's defensive captaincy holding him back, "look at how New Zealand play under McCullum, Umar would be world class under a captain like that". He's playing under McCullum and he's still the same old Umar Akmal.

So now it's "Umar needs to be opening the innings" but let's be honest, we all know what will happen if he becomes an opener.
 
Mamoon said:
I agree with you. Umar has had a mediocre career so far and is a dumb batsman. No match awareness, no temperament, no intelligence, nothing. Just a gifted striker but that is only 10% of batting.

I was simply using the logic of [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] who was arguing with me after I said that Umar has had a mediocre career so far.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-with-Babar-Azam-not-me-quot-Umar-Akmal/page2

Take a look, some absolute gems on his part.

Nonetheless, I'm tempted to play Umar as an opener because his dumbness as a batsman will be less exposed their, and he might get more success for his wild slogs. A quick-fire 30 as an opener is worth more than a quick-fire 30 in the middle-order in most cases.
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Agreed. We'd be crucifying any other batsmen with an output like this. You'd know the selectors wouldn't tolerate this level of mediocrity from anyone else. And that's not even mentioning the fitness and attitude problems.

But as its the unfulfilled "talented" prodigy then its OK even if you have a marginally better batting record than Richie Berrington and Farhaan Berhardien. Its #6 not #11 for god's sake.
 

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Big Mac said:
Basically, Umar Akmal fans live in a Trump-esque world of alternative facts and shifting goalposts in which they rapidly shift from one incoherent argument to another in the hopes that readers are overwhelmed by the sheer deluge of nonsense and succumb to "Maybe you have a point".

First it was wicket keeping that was negatively affecting his game. Except his batting figures are better when he has the gloves than when he plays as a specialist batsman.

Then it was a case of Umar being wasted at #6 or #7, how could he possibly succeed in that role when he's not suited for it? Except his batting figures are better when batting lower in the order than it was higher up.

Then it was "Look at the first season of the PSL! He batted in the top order and he was amazing! Told you guys he was best against the new ball!" Except he only batted at #3 when the openers had seen off the new ball and batted for 10 overs or more. He never batted at #3 when an early wicket fell.

Then it was Misbah's defensive captaincy holding him back, "look at how New Zealand play under McCullum, Umar would be world class under a captain like that". He's playing under McCullum and he's still the same old Umar Akmal.

So now it's "Umar needs to be opening the innings" but let's be honest, we all know what will happen if he becomes an opener.
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Can we please make this a Sticky Post MODS PLEASE !!! - Any argument henceforth by Umer Akmal fans should just be replied with a copy of the above.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
You want to entrust ODI opening to a guy who thinks loosing weight (read: being fit) will reduce his overall batting power :facepalm:

I am sorry but he's had 100+ brain freezes over the course of nearly a decade in representing Pakistan while all that he has managed until now can be ideally summed in a single word : MEDIOCRITY.
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That depends on how he loses the bodyfat. Yes, it can affect his batting.
 
i am sorry but akmal will not be a destructive opener. all the agressive openers do know which ball to hit and which one to block. i am afraid akmal lacks this small and simple logic too.

pak have stray of new untested and more deserving batsmen lined up for opening and middle order. why we need to give him another chance after he failed in 90% of the time in his career which is btw 200 international matches.

its time to invest and work on new players instead of playing TTFs like akmals, hafeez, rizwan etc.
 
Mamoon said:
I agree with you. Umar has had a mediocre career so far and is a dumb batsman. No match awareness, no temperament, no intelligence, nothing. Just a gifted striker but that is only 10% of batting.

I was simply using the logic of [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] who was arguing with me after I said that Umar has had a mediocre career so far.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-with-Babar-Azam-not-me-quot-Umar-Akmal/page2

Take a look, some absolute gems on his part.

Nonetheless, I'm tempted to play Umar as an opener because his dumbness as a batsman will be less exposed their, and he might get more success for his wild slogs. A quick-fire 30 as an opener is worth more than a quick-fire 30 in the middle-order in most cases.
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there*
 
Mamoon said:
He is the highest run-scorer at number 5 in history who have played more than 31 innings, and he has done well in 81% of his matches for Pakistan.

Regards,

[MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION]

:salute:
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Mamoon said:
I agree with you. Umar has had a mediocre career so far and is a dumb batsman. No match awareness, no temperament, no intelligence, nothing. Just a gifted striker but that is only 10% of batting.

I was simply using the logic of [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] who was arguing with me after I said that Umar has had a mediocre career so far.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-with-Babar-Azam-not-me-quot-Umar-Akmal/page2

Take a look, some absolute gems on his part.

Nonetheless, I'm tempted to play Umar as an opener because his dumbness as a batsman will be less exposed their, and he might get more success for his wild slogs. A quick-fire 30 as an opener is worth more than a quick-fire 30 in the middle-order in most cases.
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It seems like I ruffled a few feathers. :)))

Also, it's quite sad, how some don't want to acknowledge the achievements of batsman because they don't believe in that individual and think their opinions will wash away those achievements.

Either way, those can never be re-written and you'll have to live with them.
 
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[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] bro he just isn't a number 6 batsman. He doesn't have the cricketing acumen and match awareness of someone like dhoni or hussey. He is a top order batsman and the best way to utilize him is to have him open with 2 fielders out. As chief destroyer said. Pakistan needs him to open
 
I could care less about Umar the insidiously but we need him to open. He will come good I can gurantee it
 
Barragan said:
It seems like I ruffled a few feathers. :)))

Also, it's quite sad, how some don't want to acknowledge the achievements of batsman because they don't believe in that individual and think their opinions will wash away those achievements.

Either way, those can never be re-written and you'll have to live with them.
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No you didn't ruffle any feathers. I'm just calling you out on how desperate you are to prove that Umar is not a flop, and will go to any length to prove otherwise.

'Doesn't have to do this, doesn't have to do that, highest number of runs at position x, did not get a consistent run, got mismanaged etc. etc.', because a long, long list of excuses and nothing else.

Very disappointing indeed.
 
Actually his supporters do have a point. But at the same time they are wrong as well.

Umar Akmal just isn't intelligent compared to the Dhoni's Bairstow's Mathew's to be able to find a solution against tight bowling in the death overs. The reason he slogs his way out ala Shahid Khan Afridi. At times effective but in general brainless batting. So here they have a point.

But his fans are wrong to believe that Umar will suddenly become consistent at 3 or even opening the batting. That guy just doesn't have game awareness or the intelligence to learn from his mistakes. He will make the same mistake time and time again. Now which quality fast bowler wouldn't love this?

This easily is the summary of his cricket profile till now. There isn't anything else to be added neither there will be.
 
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Mamoon said:
No you didn't ruffle any feathers. I'm just calling you out on how desperate you are to prove that Umar is not a flop, and will go to any length to prove otherwise.

'Doesn't have to do this, doesn't have to do that, highest number of runs at position x, did not get a consistent run, got mismanaged etc. etc.', because a long, long list of excuses and nothing else.

Very disappointing indeed.
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I gave up on Umar a while back when you get a bit of insight into his mindset given some of the statements he has made in the past but I agree that we should give him a go at the top, plus with Mickey's Danda we might be able to get the best out of him in the confines of all his weaknesses
 
shaz619 said:
I gave up on Umar a while back when you get a bit of insight into his mindset given some of the statements he has made in the past but I agree that we should give him a go at the top, plus with Mickey's Danda we might be able to get the best out of him in the confines of all his weaknesses
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Yes, he is still young and there is a chance that he can turn things around. However, there is no point in denying that has been a mediocre player for Pakistan so far, which is what his fans are doing with their ridiculous excuses.
 
umar akmal before playoffs:

8 matches
8 innings
164 runs
0 not outs
20.55 average

only one inning of 66 runs. even in that match he failed to stay on crease and finish the game.

now tell me on what grounds he should be selected for WI tour? when we have

fakhar zaman
amir yamin
hussain talat
hasan khan
shadab

all are young and energetic and ability to stay on crease.

umar thinks that making 20 or 30 is more than enough for him to be selected or only one phone call from Islamabad. why would he stay on crease?
why would he learn match awareness?
why he improve his fitness?
when he knows he will be playing international cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, he is still young and there is a chance that he can turn things around. However, there is no point in denying that has been a mediocre player for Pakistan so far, which is what his fans are doing with their ridiculous excuses.
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I use to defend him before Umar began to blame everyone else but himself, got the impression that his work ethic is poor and he doesn't work hard on his game to improve in general; even the best players who regardless of going through a lean or purple patch put in the hours day in day out.

But yeah, it's shocking that Umar and Shehzad are both very young; in fact Azhar Ali made his debut for Pakistan around about the same age as Umar/Shehzad. I hope they can rehabilitate from within our set up and perform well for Pakistan, I don't want them to go the Shoaib Malik or Afridi way; where they lack consistency but do just enough to get selected in the eyes of selectors whilst not doing justice to what is expected of them despite the number of games they've played.
 
Big Mac said:
Basically, Umar Akmal fans live in a Trump-esque world of alternative facts and shifting goalposts in which they rapidly shift from one incoherent argument to another in the hopes that readers are overwhelmed by the sheer deluge of nonsense and succumb to "Maybe you have a point".

First it was wicket keeping that was negatively affecting his game. Except his batting figures are better when he has the gloves than when he plays as a specialist batsman.

Then it was a case of Umar being wasted at #6 or #7, how could he possibly succeed in that role when he's not suited for it? Except his batting figures are better when batting lower in the order than it was higher up.

Then it was "Look at the first season of the PSL! He batted in the top order and he was amazing! Told you guys he was best against the new ball!" Except he only batted at #3 when the openers had seen off the new ball and batted for 10 overs or more. He never batted at #3 when an early wicket fell.

Then it was Misbah's defensive captaincy holding him back, "look at how New Zealand play under McCullum, Umar would be world class under a captain like that". He's playing under McCullum and he's still the same old Umar Akmal.

So now it's "Umar needs to be opening the innings" but let's be honest, we all know what will happen if he becomes an opener.
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:))) first para absolute gold
 
Mamoon said:
He is the highest run-scorer at number 5 in history who have played more than 31 innings, and he has done well in 81% of his matches for Pakistan.

Regards,

[MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION]

:salute:
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Mamoon said:
I agree with you. Umar has had a mediocre career so far and is a dumb batsman. No match awareness, no temperament, no intelligence, nothing. Just a gifted striker but that is only 10% of batting.

I was simply using the logic of [MENTION=136113]Barragan[/MENTION] who was arguing with me after I said that Umar has had a mediocre career so far.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-with-Babar-Azam-not-me-quot-Umar-Akmal/page2

Take a look, some absolute gems on his part.

Nonetheless, I'm tempted to play Umar as an opener because his dumbness as a batsman will be less exposed their, and he might get more success for his wild slogs. A quick-fire 30 as an opener is worth more than a quick-fire 30 in the middle-order in most cases.
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They aren't just gems, they are cold hard facts and you can see them for yourself. :uakmal
 
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