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"The outswinger is something that I really need to work on and develop": Shaheen Shah Afridi

Shaheen is not the finished article, but thanks to his extreme height, his angle and his adequate pace he is a perfectly decent Test bowler.

This is his current record, in spite of the massacres in Adelaide and

13 1/2 Tests
2633 deliveries
1403 runs
43 wickets
Average 32.63
Strike rate 62.5
Economy 3.16

It's a perfectly good record for a man who isn't even 21 years old yet. (Even if he's really a bit older!)
 
We know Shaheen's capabilities in white ball cricket. However there's enough of a sample now to show Shaheen hasn't kicked on as a Test bowler. He disappointed in seam friendly English and New Zealand conditions. Remove Sri Lanka and Bangladesh bashing and he averages 37 with the ball in Test cricket.

There's a few things worrying me about his bowling. First is he's the shortest 6ft 5 bowler I've seen - he doesn't make use of his height and lacks an effective bouncer. Rabada and co exploited the uneven bounce by hitting the pitch hard whereas Shaheen's one of those skiddy seamers that'll kiss the surface.

Secondly he needs to work on a ball that'll either just hold its line or move away from the right hander. Batsmen are prepared for the inswinger now.

Thirdly, I still don't see him knowing how to set up a batsman. He's basically learning his craft at Test level since he was another who got fast-tracked. Going at 4+ RPO with the new ball is ridiculous and the fact is our spinners are the only reason we bowled SAF out for 220 otherwise they'd still be batting.

Shaheen should be complementing an experienced seam attack, but instead the burden of leading his attack in all formats is already on his young shoulders.

how many other times has he gone for 4 rpo in tests ?
and as for outswinger hes already said he needs to improve on that.
 
Shaheen is not the finished article, but thanks to his extreme height, his angle and his adequate pace he is a perfectly decent Test bowler.

This is his current record, in spite of the massacres in Adelaide and

13 1/2 Tests
2633 deliveries
1403 runs
43 wickets
Average 32.63
Strike rate 62.5
Economy 3.16

It's a perfectly good record for a man who isn't even 21 years old yet. (Even if he's really a bit older!)
I am quite surprised that you didn't exclude his stats against Papua new Guinea and Outer Mongolia.
Against top quality team he averages 37 which is nowhere as good as his hype.
 
how many other times has he gone for 4 rpo in tests ?
and as for outswinger hes already said he needs to improve on that.

Is this bowling from our supposed strike bowler okay then for you ?
 
I love Shaheen!! Just wanted to put it out there . . think he is our best bowler and best prospect for the coming 10 years . .

Having said that, Shaheen is an extremely limited bowler once the ball gets old and that has been proven over the last 3 series . . He is brilliant with the new/semi-new ball. . but when the ball gets old, he's got no skills! Let alone moving the ball conventionally, he can't reverse it either with his action . . He is not great at short pitch bowling . . he can't crank up the pace significantly (like Dale Steyn for example) when nothing is happening to make something happen . .

massive amount of work that he needs to do (ideally with a set of good coaches which we dont seem to have) to pick up some skills once the ball gets old . .

He has gotten found out every single time when we've needed an enforcer/leader of the attack
 
As with all left arm steamers he will be a way better limited overs bowler. His test match ceiling isn't very high simply because he is a completely in effective old ball bowler. I hope he develops some old ball skills. Amir and Junaid both had good reverse swing skills.
 
Unnecessary hate for a bowler who has played less 20 FC matches although 10+ of them have been tests. Such is our dearth of quality bowlers that we have had to elevate him to senior squad so early.

He will get better, has the right attitude. Hopefully we can get someone other than Waqar to fix his issues and stimulate his growth as a pacer. Uptill now, the only thing he's appeared to have learned from Waqar is hitting yorker frequently.

This is a very slow pitch. If Rabada and Ngidi aren't making the ball talk, then it'll be difficult for Shaheen and Hassan as well.
 
Need to be patient with him and let him develop. Can anyone post james Anderson's record here after 15 tests
 
The lad is so young. He should be playing the role of support bowler under a pro right now.

What was Wasim doing at Shaheen's age?
The former had IK to learn and grow under, and only blossomed 5 years into his debut.

This is Shaheen's third year.
He needs more time, and more importantly, a coach who's name is not Waqar Younis.
 
He has done okay but learn to control a bit more and not give boundary bowls away. He will develop over time.
 
The lad is so young. He should be playing the role of support bowler under a pro right now.

What was Wasim doing at Shaheen's age?
The former had IK to learn and grow under, and only blossomed 5 years into his debut.

This is Shaheen's third year.
He needs more time, and more importantly, a coach who's name is not Waqar Younis.

Have to agree. Good news is everyone including Shaheen knows what the main issue is - lack of a good outswinger.

However, Shaheen also needs to learn to reverse the ball better and to hit the deck hard. Thoughts on bringing Aaqib Javed in to do some action remodeling? :afridi
 
Have to agree. Good news is everyone including Shaheen knows what the main issue is - lack of a good outswinger.

However, Shaheen also needs to learn to reverse the ball better and to hit the deck hard. Thoughts on bringing Aaqib Javed in to do some action remodeling? :afridi

A bit of allignment adjustment is needed with him but largely, his action is good enough.
He just needs more strength and muscle in his legs to support such a big and wiry structure.

There is no better bowling coach than Shoaib for these lads, but the thing is the former doesn't have the temperament, or the patience to fulfill this role.

I hope the PCB can convince him for this role somehow.
If not him, then it has to be a foreign import.
No Waqar, no Wasim please.
 
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Shaheen averaged 27.96 in his first 8 matches, and 48.07 across his last 6 matches (vs ENG, NZ and SA)

Clearly in need of a rest, plays every game across all 3 formats for us, we cannot burn him out.
 
Shaheen averaged 27.96 in his first 8 matches, and 48.07 across his last 6 matches (vs ENG, NZ and SA)

Clearly in need of a rest, plays every game across all 3 formats for us, we cannot burn him out.

It's a matter of the opposition. Expect him to average sub 30 for the rest of the year. 2 tests in Zimbabwe, 3 in the West Indies, then 2 more in Bangladesh.
 
Misbah:

"We are looking at Shaheen Shah Afridi’s workload and are keeping an eye on him. The physio, the trainer, the medical panel and the bowling coach are all aligned and are monitoring him. We don’t want to cross the line where he is over-bowled and we are keeping an eye on him including how many overs he bowls in practice. Everything is under control regarding Shaheen’s workload."
 
The issue with Shaheen is that he was unable to make full use of the wickets that supported pace bowling, and right now, we're inclined to making spinning pitches to remove any chance of South Africa making a comeback in the series.

On dry tracks, there is a different style of bowling. You can't let the ball glide off the surface, you have to really bang it into the surface to get more purchase. Shaheen doesn't have a slingy action which works very well on these types of wickets, but he still needs to hit the surface harder and bowl in better areas. He needs to understand that on Pakistani wickets, the ball will only swing conventionally for about two overs, that's it. After that, if you aren't bowling a good line/length, the opposition can freely take over you.

If Shaheen really wants to make full use of the swing, he needs to use the crease more. He also needs to mix up his grip, because bowling with a straight seam won't get any swing as opposed to an angled seam, which could generate more movement in the air. I was quite shocked why he stopped bowling bouncers especially after he bruised Dean Elgar, they were difficult to negotiate and if SA batsmen took them on, it would be at their own risk. He needs to maximize his height, and really bang the ball into the pitch on better lines.
 
That's where you need a qualified guy who can properly communicate with a novice, and who knows how to get him to that desired level of performance. Waqar quite obviously isn't that person.
 
Fast bowlers hunt in pairs. Every good fast bowler I remember excelled when he had an equally good bowling partner who is either taking wickets or bowling maidens. I don't think Shaheen Shah Afridi had the luxury of excellent fast bowlers in the Pakistan team (so far). Mohd Abbas who in an ideal world should have guided/mentored/supported him on one end, did not live up to the role, so SSA has been left stranded all along. If Hasan Ali/Haris Rauf/Naseem/anyone could bowl well going forward, I believe it would reflect in SSA's performance too.
 
Fast bowlers hunt in pairs. Every good fast bowler I remember excelled when he had an equally good bowling partner who is either taking wickets or bowling maidens. I don't think Shaheen Shah Afridi had the luxury of excellent fast bowlers in the Pakistan team (so far). Mohd Abbas who in an ideal world should have guided/mentored/supported him on one end, did not live up to the role, so SSA has been left stranded all along. If Hasan Ali/Haris Rauf/Naseem/anyone could bowl well going forward, I believe it would reflect in SSA's performance too.

This is true but only part of the issue. Shaheen has a lot wrong with his action and delivery as mentioned above. He seems to collapse when releasing so his trajectory is lower, he doesn’t take it away from rhb unless he’s using natural angle. He doesn’t do anything with the old ball and he looks tired after his first spell. I think he needs some serious guidance and coaching.
 
This is Jamieson. His action is a lot cleaner and look at his jump. More intensity more wickets!

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This is Shaheen. Can see straight away his action is not as efficient and as the poster said above there are faults. I can only imagine how much of a better bowler he could be if they worked with him properly, before he came into international cricket.

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We have really lost our way with pace bowling, in all areas really. Low standards are the norm now it seems.
 
Good insight. He should definitely improve on his Outswinger and general stamina like you said.

But don't you think going forward, as Pakistan plays more test matches at home, with his low bowling action that brings the ball inside for a right handed batsman, Shaheen could more wickets in subcontinent pitches where there is less bounce and conventional swing but high potential for reverse swing? Case in point, Ishant Sharma.

This is true but only part of the issue. Shaheen has a lot wrong with his action and delivery as mentioned above. He seems to collapse when releasing so his trajectory is lower, he doesn’t take it away from rhb unless he’s using natural angle. He doesn’t do anything with the old ball and he looks tired after his first spell. I think he needs some serious guidance and coaching.
 
Is this bowling from our supposed strike bowler okay then for you ?

I didnt say it was bad or good.
No but he stil doesnt go at 4 rpo proberly here or thier only.
He young he should be thier as a support role not as a strike bowler and the leader of the attack. Hes also said he needs to develop the outswinger give him time he will come good in tests too
 
This is Jamieson. His action is a lot cleaner and look at his jump. More intensity more wickets!

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This is Shaheen. Can see straight away his action is not as efficient and as the poster said above there are faults. I can only imagine how much of a better bowler he could be if they worked with him properly, before he came into international cricket.

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We have really lost our way with pace bowling, in all areas really. Low standards are the norm now it seems.

That first bowler is Tim Southee
 
Shaheen averaged 27.96 in his first 8 matches, and 48.07 across his last 6 matches (vs ENG, NZ and SA)

Clearly in need of a rest, plays every game across all 3 formats for us, we cannot burn him out.

Those are some really horrible returns for NZ and England. Really can't believe Waqar is still in a job.
 
This is Jamieson. His action is a lot cleaner and look at his jump. More intensity more wickets!

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This is Shaheen. Can see straight away his action is not as efficient and as the poster said above there are faults. I can only imagine how much of a better bowler he could be if they worked with him properly, before he came into international cricket.

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We have really lost our way with pace bowling, in all areas really. Low standards are the norm now it seems.

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That is Tim Southee, and he bowls slower than Shaheen in spite of the “jump” and the “intensity”.

Sure he is taking more wickets, but that is because he is able to move the ball ways with good control, which has more to do with his wrist position/release rather than the vertical force that he generates with his jump.

Your analysis are very poor and this is what happens when people sitting behind their computers try to be bowling coaches.
 
The major issue of Shaheen that he becomes toothless after second spell. He lacks the bowling fitness to bowl whole day, and obviously there are issues as well
 
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That is Tim Southee, and he bowls slower than Shaheen in spite of the “jump” and the “intensity”.

Sure he is taking more wickets, but that is because he is able to move the ball ways with good control, which has more to do with his wrist position/release rather than the vertical force that he generates with his jump.

Your analysis are very poor and this is what happens when people sitting behind their computers try to be bowling coaches.

Its a typo calm down. Comparison still stands. You really need to tone down your toxicity, most of your posts are man child attention seeking nonsense, you don't see me commenting.
 
Its a typo calm down. Comparison still stands. You really need to tone down your toxicity, most of your posts are man child attention seeking nonsense, you don't see me commenting.

It wasn’t just a typo. It was poor analysis based on your assumption that it was Jamieson not Southee.

If you knew it was Southee, you wouldn’t (or at least I hope) be talking about intensity, since there is no intensity in Southee’s bowling.
 
The major issue of Shaheen that he becomes toothless after second spell. He lacks the bowling fitness to bowl whole day, and obviously there are issues as well

That is the main problem. He lacks the fitness to bowl at full throttle.

The way he bowled against England in the third T20I few months back showed what he is capable of, and that is how he needs to bowl frequently in Test cricket.

He has the potential to be a world class fast bowler, there is no doubt about that.
 
Contrary to what people above are trying to say, Shaheen doesnt collapse in delivery.

He doesn't use a use strong sling, and relies more on energy throught the crease and wrist rather than shoulder power. This is the reason why you dont see him getting disconcerting bounce.

He is never going to be a bowler who relies on bounce.
Perhaps, if he can bulk up his lower and make his base stronger, then perhaps he might, but that is improbable.
 
Misbah :

We are looking at Shaheen Shah Afridi’s workload and are keeping an eye on him. The physio, the trainer, the medical panel and the bowling coach are all aligned and are monitoring him. We don’t want to cross the line where he is over-bowled and we are keeping an eye on him including how many overs he bowls in practice. Everything is under control regarding Shaheen’s workload.


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Good insight. He should definitely improve on his Outswinger and general stamina like you said.

But don't you think going forward, as Pakistan plays more test matches at home, with his low bowling action that brings the ball inside for a right handed batsman, Shaheen could more wickets in subcontinent pitches where there is less bounce and conventional swing but high potential for reverse swing? Case in point, Ishant Sharma.

Well first of all ishant was awful for the early part of his career but with the right guidance and bowling partnership he became a very effective bowler for the team. But let’s leave other bowlers out of this for a second and look at shaheen.

Let’s first of all acknowledge that not every great bowler can swing the ball both ways. Imran Khan certainly couldn’t and relied on off cutters and seam but you can’t seam an old ball and imran played at a time when pitches were fast and bats were like twigs. These days there is nowhere to hide. It matters less the speed of the delivery but more the trajectory, accuracy control over swing and ability to move the ball both ways. In that order. I’ve never really noticed that ssa is a good proponent of reverse swing or even conventional swing with an older ball. He has a lot wrong with his action. I honestly think were it not for the simple fact that there is no decent fast bowler in Pakistan SSA wouldn’t make it in the team. He’s certainly not good enough for England or Australia who have his kind carry drinks in the county games.

Now I know the predicament for waqar. He could certainly teach him an outswinger but there is a risk that for a year he will be completely lost. And Pakistan rely on him for all cricket. Amir took a couple of years between 2008-2010 to learn to swing it both ways, wasim a little longer from 1985-1990 and of course who can forget how bad Mitchel Johnson was when he started out. but These were exceptional learners who never compromised their primary skills as they acquired new ones. Anyway we will have to just be patient. Interesting debate though.
 
Can see the fickle fans calling for his head, soon :misbah
He has been unfairly hyped to the moon, and is not good enough to lead our Test bowling attack. There has been no improvement whatsoever, and infact his old ball skills are starting to worry now. With the old ball in his hands, he just runs in like a bowling machine, hoping for the batsman to make a mistake.

Needs to be managed, and needs this ridiculous tag of ‘world-class’ removed from his head, so that the lad can focus on his development without the added pressure. He is our best pace bowler in terms of potential, for certain.
 
Needs to work with professional trainer, coach and nutritionist. Has so much potential and a very good work ethic yet due to pcb's great employees in the key positions, he along with almost every cricketer is suffering.

India's Bharat Arun brought the power training culture in Indian Cricket and as a result 120s kph bowler like Bhuvneshwar became a 140kph bowler and others like Ishant, Shami and others benefitted from their able coaches and trainers.

Here in PCB we have physiotherapists working as doctors.
 
Shaheen Was a much better bowler when he started. Few things to mention here would be : -

1. He is lacking stamina and fitness. He is being played every game and slowly his body is breaking down. He should be rested for few games in between. His body needs to recover.

2. The way he is releasing the ball, his wrist position is not right and most time it feels like he is just dropping the ball and not actually pushing enough for the ball to get extra bounce.

3. Shaheen has good skills but again he slowly moving into the category where he is trying too many different balls. He is actually not setting up the player. He will bowl bouncers when he gets hit for a boundary. He is getting very predictable.

4. In the end Shaheen needs more support from the fielders and captain. Tell him to stick to a plan, if batsmen scores let them score just focus on your length and wicket taking deliveries.
 
He is still young and learning but, I think an impactful performance in red ball against a good team which can change the game in favour of his side is due considering his potential.

Impactful doesnt necessarily mean a lot of wickets but, wickets in crucial junctures of the match when team needs it the most. He has done it quite a few times in white ball cricket and hopefully it’s around the corner in red ball cricket as well.
 
Shaheen Was a much better bowler when he started.

I think we are confusing the formats here, he is still a really good white ball bowler as his stats show but test cricket is something he is still learning and developing. Test cricket is one format which doesnt only require skills rather game time as well atleast at some level to get that good length going consistently along with the art of setting up a batsman. Shaheen got into Pak’s test side after 1 FC match so obviously transition to test cricket would have taken sometime in comparison to someone with 20-30 FC matches before debut.
 
Seems to be relying on the angle across the right-handers more than anything else at the moment.
 
This is the wicket that Pakistan really needed in the morning and Shaheen got it

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This is the wicket that Pakistan really needed in the morning and Shaheen got it

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Horrible shot by de Kock.

Sometimes bowlers deserve a bit of luck and Shaheen got that.
 
While Hassan was reversing the ball round corners, Shaheen barely got anything to reverse.

That was rather alarming.
 
Star performer

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Steps up to the plate and removes Bavuma!

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His bowling still needs to improve alot despite picking up a couple of wickets. Espcially with the older ball.
 
My boy please work on your old ball skills.
One of the fastest bowlers in world cricket right now. Relentless pace.
 
Been thoroughly impressed with his pace. Consistently around 90mph. I really hope team management is sensible about his workload cause he’s got genuine world class potential.
 
Shaheen heard you guys talking smack about him, he has given a big shut up call to y'all real good. :ronaldo
 
Bowled pretty decently in this match especially in his last spell and with serious heat. Still needs to learn how to reverse the ball, be a bit consistent with his lines and working on how to setup a batsman but, there is no reason he cant do that.
 
All this while the team management as well as the fans have forced him into the role of a bowling leader when he isnt ready.

No surprise that he shined when he finally got an actual bowling leader in a "non-test cricketer" Hasan at the other end.
 
I believe not just the bavuma wicket but a few of the balls he seamed them away from a RHB. Not so much swing but at least with the ability to move the ball both ways, however he does it he’s a much better bowler. Hits a consistent line and at good pace. Just very weak with the old ball but I’m sure that will come in time.
 
Well played Shaheen, there’s been development with him.

Pakistan are in need of finding one more pacer, mostly when overseas, to replace the second spinner - and the seam attack for our starting XI will be a good one.

Hassan would make a very good first change if we were to find a new ball right hander, he can take over with the old ball.

Domestic performers like Gul/Adil perhaps? Time is not really on Tabish’s side.

Akif always thought a good prospect in a few years though a lefty.
 
Was consistently the fastest bowler this series. And today in that last spell was 146 kph nearly every ball :aag
 
Was consistently the fastest bowler this series. And today in that last spell was 146 kph nearly every ball :aag

In the same series which has apparently one of the fastest bowlers in the world - Rabada - our boy has shined the brightest. Always been his biggest supporter and really proud of him. :ssa
 
Great to see Shaheen back to his best, he is the future of Pakistan bowling.

Now he can please be rested for this pointless T20 series against SA's reserve team
 
Was consistently the fastest bowler this series. And today in that last spell was 146 kph nearly every ball :aag

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Good to see Shaheen generate some serious heat (even in the second bowling innings). This is the inherent advantage of having fast bowlers run in for short spells. Faheem and Nauman's control has really accentuated our strike bowlers' extra zip.

Also [MENTION=146948]Slim[/MENTION], Rabada is coming off a long injury layoff. So is Hasan. Will take time for them to go full throttle again.
 
I don't think Shaheen has ever bowled this fast so consistently. Amazing to see! About time he starts turning good spells into wickets
 
Hassan took the wickets with his LOI style bowling but Shaheen was the more impressive bowler over the two Tests.

He showed his undeniable potential and why he is easily the best fast bowler in Pakistan.

If he can maintain his fitness he can easily become a top 5 bowler in the world across formats. The only fast bowler in Pakistan with that potential.
 
Impressive series from him. For a young bowler to just hold his line relentlessly on tough pitches was classy.

Then he did it at 140k+ every single spell (that I saw) and had the legs to crank it right up to 145k+ for whole spells on day 5 after back to back Tests in Asia. That's strong.

I really hope Hasan holds his form as Shaheen deserves the chance to develop without having to do everything in the attack + learn on the job while held to pack leader expectations. Rabada had a few seasons with Steyn & Philander. Cummins has always been part of a world class attack with Johnson & Siddle early on & even Hazlewood + Starc are both 3 years his senior. Archer has Jimmy & Broad. Shaheen is on track to be every bit as good as those guys were at a similar age.

His current action doesn't allow reverse really so he'll need some time to decide if he can safely develop a modification to use- or if it's not worth risking injury or losing his groove. Waqar or Azhar mahmood might advise.
 
He needs to work in the nets with the old ball.. Pakistan team needs him to improve on that part
 
Well played Shaheen, there’s been development with him.

Pakistan are in need of finding one more pacer, mostly when overseas, to replace the second spinner - and the seam attack for our starting XI will be a good one.

Hassan would make a very good first change if we were to find a new ball right hander, he can take over with the old ball.

Domestic performers like Gul/Adil perhaps? Time is not really on Tabish’s side.

Akif always thought a good prospect in a few years though a lefty.

Irfanullah and dahani looked decent but they need another season or two but i was highly impressed with espically dahani.sameen gull is another one but he didnt play much qaid e azam matches not sure whu thou.
waqar maqsood is ok but hes another left armer.akif is decent but needs 2 seasons.
 
Afridi gets the breakthrough second ball of the innings with the trademark in swinger!

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Single-handedly keeping us in the game!

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Shaheen's first ever maiden in his T20I career. Beautiful bowling, dragging us back into the game
 
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3/27 against Karachi
 
Has Shaheen ever bowled faster? That was some exceptional bowling today . . Treat to watch!
 
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Wonderful setup of Van Der Dussen this morning.

Shame Asif Ali couldn't snaffle the chance, that over deserved a wicket.
 
Since 2001, Shaheen Shah Afridi is the first Pakistan bowler to dismiss both openers in the same over of an ODI (in SA v PAK, first ODI)

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Bowled a very poor last over. I dont know what is this obsession of bowling slow cutters in the slot when batsmen are looking to slog!
 
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