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Will become a thing of beauty tonight and should reach record numbers by tomorrow!

We now humbly ask Kane Williamson to do whats best for all of us :D

Seriously speaking, how many of us are happy to 'sneak' in based on someone else's results?

I for one, have no issue - how about you?
 
Yes. Of course. Optimism is there that we sneak in to progress.

But to support India no chance.

Support NZ? No issue at all. Go Kiwis.
 
I just love the people of NZ and also how Williamson plays.

If I was near Durham would defo go up there supporting and cheering each run/wicket.

One thing for sure, the Kiwis will go for the win.
 
I believe that any genuine well-wisher of Pakistan cricket who truly wants Pakistan to improve would not be supporting New Zealand tomorrow.
 
I just love the people of NZ and also how Williamson plays.

If I was near Durham would defo go up there supporting and cheering each run/wicket.

One thing for sure, the Kiwis will go for the win.

Also NZ want to go with momentum in the playoffs they have already lost 2 games.

Boult should be fired up...English hopes are heavily on Stokes and Morgan... Bairstow/Roy may not last long if ball swings
 
Also NZ want to go with momentum in the playoffs they have already lost 2 games.

Boult should be fired up...English hopes are heavily on Stokes and Morgan... Bairstow/Roy may not last long if ball swings

I was hoping for a much more cloudy day but the forcecast looks sunny. If its' the same condintions as WI v Lanka, England will be very happy but still wouldn't rule out NZ who themsleves have the likes of Guptill up front. About time he got going and tommorow could be the day.
 
I believe that any genuine well-wisher of Pakistan cricket who truly wants Pakistan to improve would not be supporting New Zealand tomorrow.

Sadly nothing will change if Pakistan misses out on the semis...

It is a continuous cycle which has been going on since years now:

Pakistan crashes out or lose an important series.

Sack the captain, management and chief selector.

Drop the non-performing opener.

Get a new captain (most probably a senior).

Get an opener who is being praised - he comes in scores match winning runs against lower-ranked teams and one fluke innings against the bigger sides.

Pakistan plays against big sides and loses.
(Fans think the players are rebuilding)

After 3-4 years the World Cup is here and we get a semi-final spot.

So what should we do?

Cheer for NZ and hope Pakistan make it to the semis?

Or hope Pakistan crashes out early in the WC...?
 
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May the best side win, if Pakistan is meant to be in the SF then it will happen, if not then we have to accept it. For me the team has already punched above its weight in the tournament given that they were in horrible form and coming in after having a disasterous 2018 Asia Cup, defeat to NZ at home, defeat to South Africa, defeat to Australia, defeat to England, defeat in the warm up games. In such a scenario for Pakistan to finish 5th after India, Australia, NZ, England is a big over achievement.

Don't mind England winning over NZ as long both teams try hard and play the game in the right spirit unlike India' batting in the last 10 overs against England.
 
It's not sneaking in. How is it so? If England lose and Pakistan beat BD, Pakistan will fully deserve to make it to the semis and England would deserve to be out. If England win, England deserve to be there. This format has ensured that the best teams are qualifying.
 
I have an issue with the idea of depending upon other results to qualify. It just doesnt suit you if you are looking to be a top team.

However, it goes without saying that any genuine supporter of the team would love it if Pakistan somehow sneaks in.
 
Sadly nothing will change if Pakistan misses out on the semis...

It is a continuous cycle which has been going on since years now:

Pakistan crashes out or lose an important series.

Sack the captain, management and chief selector.

Drop the non-performing opener.

Get a new captain (most probably a senior).

Get an opener who is being praised - he comes in scores match winning runs against lower-ranked teams and one fluke innings against the bigger sides.

Pakistan plays against big sides and loses.
(Fans think the players are rebuilding)

After 3-4 years the World Cup is here and we get a semi-final spot.

So what should we do?

Cheer for NZ and hope Pakistan make it to the semis?

Or hope Pakistan crashes out early in the WC...?

I agree that it was highly unlikely that things will change even if we crash out before the semis, but it is completely impossible for anything to change if we keep getting undeserved favors from other teams.

If we make the semis, Sarfraz will be retained as captain and most of the players will be retained and we will be back to square one.

We haven’t done anything in this World Cup that suggests that the next 2 years will be any better than the previous 2.

Apart from Amir, non of the underperforming players managed to raise the bar, and they will get a free ride for another 2 years if we get to the semis.

That is why as a true supporter of Pakistan cricket, I have refused to support Pakistan in this World Cup because I have a teeny tiny hope that by failing in this World Cup, we might finally wake up.
 
Come on New Zealand. We are all behind you!!

Won’t be able to watch most of the game as I am at work lol. Probably better as I don’t think my heart could take a close game. Too nervous. Please do it NZ.
 
I am happy to support New Zealand by one run/wicket or losing by 150 runs or by 10 wickets in 30 overs.
 
I agree that it was highly unlikely that things will change even if we crash out before the semis, but it is completely impossible for anything to change if we keep getting undeserved favors from other teams.

If we make the semis, Sarfraz will be retained as captain and most of the players will be retained and we will be back to square one.

We haven’t done anything in this World Cup that suggests that the next 2 years will be any better than the previous 2.

Apart from Amir, non of the underperforming players managed to raise the bar, and they will get a free ride for another 2 years if we get to the semis.

That is why as a true supporter of Pakistan cricket, I have refused to support Pakistan in this World Cup because I have a teeny tiny hope that by failing in this World Cup, we might finally wake up.

I agree with your perspective...

It is better to get rid off the dead wood now than in the next WC.
 
I just love the people of NZ and also how Williamson plays.

If I was near Durham would defo go up there supporting and cheering each run/wicket.

One thing for sure, the Kiwis will go for the win.

Really nice people, if Williamson new a few more galis he would be a bit more popular as a batsman as well because it can't be defined what a fantastic player he is in all forms.

That is true, they are a very professional unit and the best team will win on the day
 
I agree that it was highly unlikely that things will change even if we crash out before the semis, but it is completely impossible for anything to change if we keep getting undeserved favors from other teams.

If we make the semis, Sarfraz will be retained as captain and most of the players will be retained and we will be back to square one.

We haven’t done anything in this World Cup that suggests that the next 2 years will be any better than the previous 2.

Apart from Amir, non of the underperforming players managed to raise the bar, and they will get a free ride for another 2 years if we get to the semis.

That is why as a true supporter of Pakistan cricket, I have refused to support Pakistan in this World Cup because I have a teeny tiny hope that by failing in this World Cup, we might finally wake up.

We all know pakistan is not amongst the better sides in the world. But that does not mean we can't support our team in a world event. It's just sad that you post so much negativity about PAK team all the time and wish that they fail.
 
Will become a thing of beauty tonight and should reach record numbers by tomorrow!

We now humbly ask Kane Williamson to do whats best for all of us :D

Seriously speaking, how many of us are happy to 'sneak' in based on someone else's results?

I for one, have no issue - how about you?

Don't let anybody take credit away from this team. We were favourites against Sri Lanka, there is no doubt about that. Had we won against Sri Lanka by a decent amount, we would've had an extra point and a better NRR and wouldn't be so reliant on tomorrows result. England have had all their games to show whether they deserve to be in the semis or not. If they win tomorrow, fair game to them. Likewise if they lose and we beat Bangladesh, I wouldn't call that sneaking in, we didn't have the full opportunity, England did.
 
I agree with your perspective...

It is better to get rid off the dead wood now than in the next WC.

Babar, Haris, Imam, Amir, Shaheen and Imad are the only 6/15 players that should be retained after the World Cup. Amir should be given a stern warning that he has to play with intensity every time he plays. Simply performing in tournaments is not enough.

Sarfraz, Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan, Wahab and Asif do not have the capability to make Pakistan a top 4 ranked side, and they should be put out of their misery.

Malik and Hafeez are retiring anyway, and Hasnain needs to gain first-class experience.
 
It's not sneaking in. How is it so? If England lose and Pakistan beat BD, Pakistan will fully deserve to make it to the semis and England would deserve to be out. If England win, England deserve to be there. This format has ensured that the best teams are qualifying.

Exactly. The fairest however would be to have reserve days, so everybody actually does play against each other.
 
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This is going to be a close game, if overall records are taken into account
 
Really nice people, if Williamson new a few more galis he would be a bit more popular as a batsman as well because it can't be defined what a fantastic player he is in all forms.

That is true, they are a very professional unit and the best team will win on the day

I was speaking to a Kiwi at Edgbaston last week. He was really not happy as we were crusing the game but laughed with the banta. He was also confident NZ will beat England because in his view its the biggest game for them to beat the hosts.

If Pak dont win it, would be amazing to see Kane Williamson lift the trophy. A great batsmen and a true gentleman on and off the field.
 
Will become a thing of beauty tonight and should reach record numbers by tomorrow!

We now humbly ask Kane Williamson to do whats best for all of us :D

Seriously speaking, how many of us are happy to 'sneak' in based on someone else's results?

I for one, have no issue - how about you?

MIG bhai, please allow me to correct your viewpoint on this matter. We won't be "sneaking" in based on anyone's favors! And no team will be doing us a favor at all. These are just ways to say what's going on, but in reality, the team with the most points will deserve to go through. Why would England deserve to go through if they have less points than Pakistan despite having zero chances lost to washouts?

I'm sick of people repeating that Pakistan need other teams to do them favors - we absolutely do not. We will go through if we have the most # of wins or we will go home. All teams will deserve their semifinal spots based on their performances! Just spare a thought for Sri Lanka, who were really hard-done by having 2 opportunities for gaining points taken away from them due to bad weather - they are the only team that can complain about the tournament being "unfair" to them.
 
Might bore ideal if England beats them by 150 runs.

NZ just don't have batting to beat England
 
When we were hoping India will beat England, we are not "asking for a favor". Get a grip, people! It's all said in jest. We are just hoping that we are among the 4 best teams in the tournament - that is all.
 
Might bore ideal if England beats them by 150 runs.

NZ just don't have batting to beat England

No.. not really. If Pakistan do beat Bangladesh, I imagine it will be a nail-biting finish! Bangladesh are at the top of their game and more than capable of beating Pakistan.
 
Babar, Haris, Imam, Amir, Shaheen and Imad are the only 6/15 players that should be retained after the World Cup. Amir should be given a stern warning that he has to play with intensity every time he plays. Simply performing in tournaments is not enough.

Sarfraz, Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan, Wahab and Asif do not have the capability to make Pakistan a top 4 ranked side, and they should be put out of their misery.

Malik and Hafeez are retiring anyway, and Hasnain needs to gain first-class experience.

Bilterals and Asia Cups feel so meaningless these days that you can't really blame fans for not wanting to sacrifice a WC for the sake of the future, though I do believe you bring up a good point. I think it's a bit harsh to chop Shadab though, he's 20 and has performed to a decent standard. He can still improve significantly.

Seeing as you want Sarfraz gone, who would you make the new captain?
 
MIG bhai, please allow me to correct your viewpoint on this matter. We won't be "sneaking" in based on anyone's favors! And no team will be doing us a favor at all. These are just ways to say what's going on, but in reality, the team with the most points will deserve to go through. Why would England deserve to go through if they have less points than Pakistan despite having zero chances lost to washouts?

I'm sick of people repeating that Pakistan need other teams to do them favors - we absolutely do not. We will go through if we have the most # of wins or we will go home. All teams will deserve their semifinal spots based on their performances! Just spare a thought for Sri Lanka, who were really hard-done by having 2 opportunities for gaining points taken away from them due to bad weather - they are the only team that can complain about the tournament being "unfair" to them.

NP bro - the 'sneaking' thing was to put forward what many are thinking.

My view is that all sorts of matters come into play here - so if we make it to the semis, we deserve it like any other semi-finalist.
 
Might bore ideal if England beats them by 150 runs.

NZ just don't have batting to beat England

It doesn't matter then because BD isn't what it used to be 10 years ago. Pakistan will barely beat BD, forget about impossible margin which is needed to get over NZ NRR.
 
Babar, Haris, Imam, Amir, Shaheen and Imad are the only 6/15 players that should be retained after the World Cup. Amir should be given a stern warning that he has to play with intensity every time he plays. Simply performing in tournaments is not enough.

Sarfraz, Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan, Wahab and Asif do not have the capability to make Pakistan a top 4 ranked side, and they should be put out of their misery.

Malik and Hafeez are retiring anyway, and Hasnain needs to gain first-class experience.
Agree with you but why not give Shadab a chance?

He has the potential to become a decent all rounder.

I think he should go back to domestic to learn the art of leg-spin.

He needs to bowl as much as he can.
 
If England lose this one, it will be their 4th loss of the tournament and If Pakistan wins on Friday, they will remain with 3 losses only. If that happens to be the case, we well and truly deserve to go ahead of England whom we've also defeated in the league.

Anybody who thinks otherwise dont have any idea how a tournament works.
 
I believe that any genuine well-wisher of Pakistan cricket who truly wants Pakistan to improve would not be supporting New Zealand tomorrow.

Mamoon, here's why I disagree with this:

1. The management HAS changed. Wasim Khan will be working on fixing the domestic system you blast every day, and the new cricket structure will encourage stronger competition at the top level of Pakistani cricket.

2. Mickey Arthur is a better coach than you give him credit for. Literally everyone could have quit after the India match. They could have just lost every game, crashed out of the tournament entirely, and the match against could have been a dead rubber against Bangladesh, just one more humiliation on the way back to Pakistan. Instead the team pulled their act together under his management and has now won three straight games and has a good shot to make that four in a row on Friday. That's AFTER losing 13 straight coming into this tournament. That takes incredible mental strength, fortitude, and determination.

3. Pakistan in the semis is a wild-card. Pakistan has already beaten two of the other three likely semifinal contestants. Maybe you're right and the law of averages catches up with Pakistan, and they get waxed by Australia. Or maybe the team, having won four straight matches on the trot for the chance to do something meaningful, wins because now, instead of yawning behind the stumps, is finally wide awake.

4. Everyone needs an example. A model for the next generation. What kid wouldn't want to be the one to blast India's top order of the next generation a la Amir in the CT2017 final? What kid wouldn't want to be the one to score a fighting century to lead Pakistan to victory like what Babar did last week? Greatness must be achieved through daily work, but without that dream as the journey, no one will ever make it! It is the dream of the destination that carries every great man, woman, and child through the hardest moments of their journey towards their goal.

Perhaps you will say "it's a wake up call!". Perhaps it is. But I get the feeling that at times you want the team to fail so you can revel in your "I told you so" moments yet another time. If we're going to be brutally honest, Pakistan's cricket is more affected by the country's economic situation than anything else. Cricket is best taught and developed from childhood, and it can't be taught well if it's not coached from the very start, with all the fundamentals and discipline that entails. You can't do that without money, which as you see, not particularly plentiful in Pakistan right now.
 
Both England and Pakistan are relying on each other to a certain extent . England lose they will also be relying on Pakistan to slip up !
 
Babar, Haris, Imam, Amir, Shaheen and Imad are the only 6/15 players that should be retained after the World Cup. Amir should be given a stern warning that he has to play with intensity every time he plays. Simply performing in tournaments is not enough.

Sarfraz, Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan, Wahab and Asif do not have the capability to make Pakistan a top 4 ranked side, and they should be put out of their misery.

Malik and Hafeez are retiring anyway, and Hasnain needs to gain first-class experience.

I think you are being too harsh on Shadab and Wahab. Both have done pretty well this WC in term so do taking vital wickets and containing runs.

On the contrary Imam has had a poor WC. I was willing to give him time after the good SAF series he had but now I am having doubts - doesn’t look top quality to me...
 
when last time when pakistan supported india, india played like pakistan. :abbas1
what will NZ do?
 
Absolutely would support NewZealand.. who wouldn't if you are a true Pakistani supporter?
I just would want them to replace Henry with Tim Southee.. Kane will do it for Pakistan and will be given honorary citizenship.
 
If England lose this one, it will be their 4th loss of the tournament and If Pakistan wins on Friday, they will remain with 3 losses only. If that happens to be the case, we well and truly deserve to go ahead of England whom we've also defeated in the league.

Anybody who thinks otherwise dont have any idea how a tournament works.

Exactly it's just about timing of games and WHEN you lose your games
England will have lost more, end of.
This requiring favours stuff is just bullcrap
 
Bilterals and Asia Cups feel so meaningless these days that you can't really blame fans for not wanting to sacrifice a WC for the sake of the future, though I do believe you bring up a good point. I think it's a bit harsh to chop Shadab though, he's 20 and has performed to a decent standard. He can still improve significantly.

Seeing as you want Sarfraz gone, who would you make the new captain?


Babar.

Yes he doesn't come across a leader type personality, but neither do Williamson, Smith or Root. It is a luxury not a necessity. In my opinion, Babar fulfils the three basic requirements of becoming a captain which Sarfraz fails with flying colours.

(1) He makes the team on 100% merit
(2) He is among the top 2-3 performers in the team
(3) He can potentially lead the team for almost a decade
 
I am sorry, but except Australia, India may be one match Bangladesh no one again NO ONE won any match convincingly does that mean they were not a good team, yes Pakistan got humilitated by Westindies but we also won against ENGLAND and NEWZEALAND too. So please if you cannot support your team it better to stay quiet. Atleast Pakistan dont Cry like England about pitches nor they have luck like NewZealand.
 
All of Pakistan tomorrow...

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Babar.

Yes he doesn't come across a leader type personality, but neither do Williamson, Smith or Root. It is a luxury not a necessity. In my opinion, Babar fulfils the three basic requirements of becoming a captain which Sarfraz fails with flying colours.

(1) He makes the team on 100% merit
(2) He is among the top 2-3 performers in the team
(3) He can potentially lead the team for almost a decade

But won't it make it hard for him to perform?
He's only 24. Root, Smith and Williamson were made captains when they were 27/28 I think.
 
But won't it make it hard for him to perform?
He's only 24. Root, Smith and Williamson were made captains when they were 27/28 I think.

It might or it might not. He cannot be kept away from captaincy on the assumption that he won't be able to cope with the responsibility.
 
As an Indian fan, I would prefer to face Kiwis rather than Poms. So, rooting for NZ tomorrow.
 
I believe that any genuine well-wisher of Pakistan cricket who truly wants Pakistan to improve would not be supporting New Zealand tomorrow.

wc is once in four years, id rather fluke a world cup then win 20% or 30% more odis in the next four years till the next world cup.

also the points been raised elsewhere, if bad world cup results changed anything pak would be the most professional team in the world.

even if they get kicked out they will chat loser talk like we got unlucky in wi game, one results can happen like that, yadda yadda, nuttin gonna change, the oldies gonna disappear anyway.

so why not enjoy the moment, let those who want dream and not be a killjoy for a change mamoon?
 
Exactly it's just about timing of games and WHEN you lose your games
England will have lost more, end of.
This requiring favours stuff is just bullcrap

If England lose, they'll be hoping Bangladesh beats Pakistan so they qualify.

Imagine that, No.1 side asking for a favor from no.7 ranked team, epic isnt it? :rumman

lekin kuch logon ko keeday hi nikalnay hain. Let them bark ! :vk2
 
It's not sneaking in. How is it so? If England lose and Pakistan beat BD, Pakistan will fully deserve to make it to the semis and England would deserve to be out. If England win, England deserve to be there. This format has ensured that the best teams are qualifying.

It's a great format but still the luck factor cannot be denied as teams didnt get to pick their opponents for the washout matches.
 
Babar, Haris, Imam, Amir, Shaheen and Imad are the only 6/15 players that should be retained after the World Cup. Amir should be given a stern warning that he has to play with intensity every time he plays. Simply performing in tournaments is not enough.

Sarfraz, Fakhar, Shadab, Hasan, Wahab and Asif do not have the capability to make Pakistan a top 4 ranked side, and they should be put out of their misery.

Malik and Hafeez are retiring anyway, and Hasnain needs to gain first-class experience.

I actually agree with you Mamoon for once. This is spot on
 
First of all, thanks for a constructive response instead of insulting me like others. I don't mind that, but it doesn't facilitate discourse which is ultimately the point.

Mamoon, here's why I disagree with this:

1. The management HAS changed. Wasim Khan will be working on fixing the domestic system you blast every day, and the new cricket structure will encourage stronger competition at the top level of Pakistani cricket.

I think Wasim Khan is potentially a very expensive mistake, and his appoint is consequence of the lethargic appointment of Ehsan Mani which was a blunder. I won't delve into the details in this thread because it is off-topic.

2. Mickey Arthur is a better coach than you give him credit for. Literally everyone could have quit after the India match. They could have just lost every game, crashed out of the tournament entirely, and the match against could have been a dead rubber against Bangladesh, just one more humiliation on the way back to Pakistan. Instead the team pulled their act together under his management and has now won three straight games and has a good shot to make that four in a row on Friday. That's AFTER losing 13 straight coming into this tournament. That takes incredible mental strength, fortitude, and determination.

Mickey might be an excellent coach, but we can only judge him from his time with Pakistan. Apart from the Champions Trophy, he has been a complete failure. Perhaps the only shining light of his tenure has been the development of Babar. Mickey has completely flopped in the Test arena, and his obsession with fake all-rounders like Shadab and Faheem hasn't worked. Pakistan went on a 13 match losing streak 3 years into his tenure, which sums up everything.

3. Pakistan in the semis is a wild-card. Pakistan has already beaten two of the other three likely semifinal contestants. Maybe you're right and the law of averages catches up with Pakistan, and they get waxed by Australia. Or maybe the team, having won four straight matches on the trot for the chance to do something meaningful, wins because now, instead of yawning behind the stumps, is finally wide awake.

Yes anything can happen, but Pakistan is comfortably weaker than England, India, Australia and even New Zealand, and even if it qualifies for the semi-final, it will be the least likely team to go all the way.

4. Everyone needs an example. A model for the next generation. What kid wouldn't want to be the one to blast India's top order of the next generation a la Amir in the CT2017 final? What kid wouldn't want to be the one to score a fighting century to lead Pakistan to victory like what Babar did last week? Greatness must be achieved through daily work, but without that dream as the journey, no one will ever make it! It is the dream of the destination that carries every great man, woman, and child through the hardest moments of their journey towards their goal.

Beautifully put, and such moments definitely create long-last memories and can inspire generations. However, Pakistan cricket's psyche has been damaged by the 1992 World Cup. It made us believe in miracles, magic and defying odds. For 27 years and counting, we have failed to repeat history for a reason. Success is a process and it is long-term. This "cornered tigers" mentality has made us a lazy, haphazard cricket nation that lacks direction and is preoccupied with creating euphoric moments.
Perhaps you will say "it's a wake up call!". Perhaps it is. But I get the feeling that at times you want the team to fail so you can revel in your "I told you so" moments yet another time. If we're going to be brutally honest, Pakistan's cricket is more affected by the country's economic situation than anything else. Cricket is best taught and developed from childhood, and it can't be taught well if it's not coached from the very start, with all the fundamentals and discipline that entails. You can't do that without money, which as you see, not particularly plentiful in Pakistan right now.

It may seem that way, but is not about "I told you so" or my quest to be proved right. I was a supporter of Pakistan cricket before I came here and I will be a supporter after I leave. Being proved right/wrong here means nothing really. Anyway, thanks again for your post.
 
wc is once in four years, id rather fluke a world cup then win 20% or 30% more odis in the next four years till the next world cup.

also the points been raised elsewhere, if bad world cup results changed anything pak would be the most professional team in the world.

even if they get kicked out they will chat loser talk like we got unlucky in wi game, one results can happen like that, yadda yadda, nuttin gonna change, the oldies gonna disappear anyway.

so why not enjoy the moment, let those who want dream and not be a killjoy for a change mamoon?

Look, I give my opinion just like everyone else. If people think I am a killjoy, then it is their weakness for allowing another anonymous poster to kill their joy.
 
That is why as a true supporter of Pakistan cricket, I have refused to support Pakistan in this World Cup because I have a teeny tiny hope that by failing in this World Cup, we might finally wake up.

Won't happen.

Pakistan Cricket will never be professional enough.

It's impossible.
 
Agree with you but why not give Shadab a chance?

He has the potential to become a decent all rounder.

I think he should go back to domestic to learn the art of leg-spin.

He needs to bowl as much as he can.

I think you are being too harsh on Shadab and Wahab. Both have done pretty well this WC in term so do taking vital wickets and containing runs.

On the contrary Imam has had a poor WC. I was willing to give him time after the good SAF series he had but now I am having doubts - doesn’t look top quality to me...

I think Shadab represents everything that is wrong with fast-tracking players based on PSL. He has blitzed through the ranks as if he Wasim Akram, but he is just a very raw leg-spinner and a poor batsman who acts like a superstar. Pakistan's domestic cricket isn't great, but its experience still has value. Shadab has not put in the hard yards in F/C and LA, and it is reflected in his performances.

There are better spinners than him in Pakistan and he needs a full F/C season under his belt to refine his bowling. However, I don't see it happening because he has T20 journeyman written all over him.
 
I will be supporting NZ as a Pakistani obv. ALso NZ is my second team after Pakistan and I'm a big fan of Kane Williamson.
 
Look, I give my opinion just like everyone else. If people think I am a killjoy, then it is their weakness for allowing another anonymous poster to kill their joy.

i didn't mean only for others, i meant for yourself too. why not just go along for the ride and let yourself dream?
 
How the hell is it depending on others?

If England are good enough they will win tomorrow, which will them give 12 points and a place in the semis if not they will remain on 10 points

If Pakistan beats Bangladesh it will earn them to 11 points

Team with more points is a better team

So stop this nonsense of Pakistan depending on others

As if other teams are doing a massive favour for Pakistan

Also if our game didn't get rained off we would have been in the semis anyways

So please cut the crap
 
New Zealand has been my second team all tournament long and I wanted them to win all matches (excluding against us of course) anyways.
 
How the hell is it depending on others?

If England are good enough they will win tomorrow, which will them give 12 points and a place in the semis if not they will remain on 10 points

If Pakistan beats Bangladesh it will earn them to 11 points

Team with more points is a better team

So stop this nonsense of Pakistan depending on others

As if other teams are doing a massive favour for Pakistan

Also if our game didn't get rained off we would have been in the semis anyways

So please cut the crap

Exactly. Don;t let the 'serial whiners' make you think otherwise. We know who they are and they know too.
 
WILLIAMSON IS THE KEY. I hope there is spin, but given that its an england game..

First pray that NZ bat first. I think it's a used pitch, plus England poor chasers under pressure anyways. Bat first, score 300ish. NZ always bowl well with the new ball, just need the spinners to apply the choke in the middle of the innings.
 
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Babar.

Yes he doesn't come across a leader type personality, but neither do Williamson, Smith or Root. It is a luxury not a necessity. In my opinion, Babar fulfils the three basic requirements of becoming a captain which Sarfraz fails with flying colours.

(1) He makes the team on 100% merit
(2) He is among the top 2-3 performers in the team
(3) He can potentially lead the team for almost a decade

Really hard to say, but I agree with you on this LOL
 
it better not as it is the worst possible result for Pakistan. It wont even leave a mathematical possibility

Well, mathematically it would be possible... :))

If the match was rained out, Pakistan would have to go ahead of England's NRR of 1.

For that, we need to bat first against Bangladesh, make 629 then bowl Bangladesh out for 0. :genius
 
Will become a thing of beauty tonight and should reach record numbers by tomorrow!

We now humbly ask Kane Williamson to do whats best for all of us :D

Seriously speaking, how many of us are happy to 'sneak' in based on someone else's results?

I for one, have no issue - how about you?

What do you mean sneak in?

England will have lost a match and Pakistan would have won 4 crunch encounters in a row.

At this rate every win or loss means a team is sneaking in.
 
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Babar.

Yes he doesn't come across a leader type personality, but neither do Williamson, Smith or Root. It is a luxury not a necessity. In my opinion, Babar fulfils the three basic requirements of becoming a captain which Sarfraz fails with flying colours.

(1) He makes the team on 100% merit
(2) He is among the top 2-3 performers in the team
(3) He can potentially lead the team for almost a decade

But how is his English? :rabada2

In all seriousness, I do see Babar as a decent choice for long-term captaincy. I just feel like I would want Babar to show that he can perform to a similar level he has in ODIs in tests before giving him the role. How players perform in test matches usually is a good representation of their temperament and I feel like that is an aspect of cricket and life that generally impacts your ability to be a leader.
 
If Pakistan does not win this WC, I sure hope it's New Zealand that clinches it then!
 
But how is his English? :rabada2

In all seriousness, I do see Babar as a decent choice for long-term captaincy. I just feel like I would want Babar to show that he can perform to a similar level he has in ODIs in tests before giving him the role. How players perform in test matches usually is a good representation of their temperament and I feel like that is an aspect of cricket and life that generally impacts your ability to be a leader.

Averaged around 50 in tests last year, so Inshallah he should keep improving.
 
I think the only way NZ can win is by winning the toss and putting up around 280-320. Then only Trent Boult & Furgeson can do some damage & im pretty sure it will be a fresh pitch so that can surely help nz batters but it will also help english batsman. totally depends on whos better on the given day. NZ would also like to win the game & enter semis on a highnote. England wc is at stake at their home soil Expecting a cracker jacker
 
its going to be a fresh pitch & probably will be a batting paradise. NZ openers will play a huge role since they have failed most of the tournament
 
Yes. Of course. Optimism is there that we sneak in to progress.

If Eng lose and Pak win their respective games, then Pak will rightfully be in semis as one of the top four performing teams in this tournament. Not sure why anyone would call that 'sneaking in'.
 
I support NZ, want India to face them in the semis than England. At least we get to play in the finals.
 
Seriously speaking, how many of us are happy to 'sneak' in based on someone else's results?

I for one, have no issue - how about you?

I used the exact same word, 'sneak', while discussing Pak being a semifinalist with friends before the Ind-Pak game. It's not necessarily a negative thing and was more because Eng, Ind, Aus, NZ seemed set in stone at the time. It would have had a negative connotation, if for example:
England beat Pak. Then had two relatively easier games washed out. And Pak sneaked in at their expense because none of their games got rained out.

After losing to India :rabada2 Pak had a clear target. Win the next 4 games. They've done 3. If they beat BD, they will be worthy semifinalists, like any of the others.
 
New Zealand fans get ready to face huge bashing from Pakistan fans if new Zealand lose to England.

Pak fans will do micro level criticism.
 
If Eng lose and Pak win their respective games, then Pak will rightfully be in semis as one of the top four performing teams in this tournament. Not sure why anyone would call that 'sneaking in'.

'Sneak' was the term used by the thread creator.

If Pakistan or any team earns enough points to put them amongst the top-4 at the end of the Round-Robin phase, regardless of the results around them, they deserve to progress.
 
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