The Pakistani hype machine over the years

[Slog]

How hyped up youngstaas over the years have actually been worth the time and effort discussing them and have managed some degree of a successful international career?

Some of the names over the past decade who have been on hype machine have been:

Anwar Ali = The new Waqar who would run through sides on a whim (atleast he is in the team now and has found sort of a niche eventhough not at the level we hoped for.)

Jamshed Ahmed = Was apparently the most complete fast bowling prospect ever. Wonder what happened.

Mohammad Irshad = Supposed to be a 150 kph+ bowler.

Mansoor Amjad = Talented Sialkot All rounder. No less authority than Woolmer had called him as among the most talented young all rounders he has ever seen.

Shahid Yousuf= Supposed to be the new MoYo

Ehsan Adil = Supposed to be the new Asif. Still very young but somehow I doubt he is going to be anywhere near world class

Babar Azam = Still on the hype machine.

Hammad Azam = Improved version of Razzaq lol. Absolutely limited player

Usman Qadir = Leg spin magician

The list is endless. All were touted to be world class lol )

Im sure there are more than these. Share your opinions on these and any others you have in mind.

 

[Major]

Mansoor AMjad only ended up playing this much cricket because of his friend Shoaib Malik.. Now you dont know whether he is a leg spinner or a batsmen

 

[Major]

Anwar Ali, condition and pitch help ended up making him into a legend

 

[Syed1]

I fail to understand how you missed CLH Umar Amin..

Isteefa nahi dehna chahye tha

 

[Suleiman]

You missed the biggest of em all:

Umar Akmal- The next sachin 5-6 years ago as everyone thought.

Ahmed Shehzad- "more talent than sachin"- Razzaq

 

[Slog]

You missed the biggest of em all:

Umar Akmal- The next sachin 5-6 years ago as everyone thought.

Ahmed Shehzad- "more talent than sachin"- Razzaq

Ill give credit to these guys that they atleast played more than 10 matches for the national team

But yeah. Shehzad especially because he is very limited in his game so dont know where the hype even came from

 

[The_KING]

Don't forget about Umar Akmal. Most people in 2009 thought that he would be our ATG batsman and would have over 20 centuries in the next 4-5 years. But I knew that he would be massive flop.

 

[Slog]

Mansoor AMjad only ended up playing this much cricket because of his friend Shoaib Malik.. Now you dont know whether he is a leg spinner or a batsmen

why did Bob Woolmer praise him so much?

he was once asked for 3 talented youngsters and he said Mansoor is best of all

 

[Slog]

I fail to understand how you missed CLH Umar Amin..

Isteefa nahi dehna chahye tha

Haha yeah. Notr sure how honestly.

I hope Babar Azam doesnt go same way. Same hype. Same praise of technique

 

[Major]

why did Bob Woolmer praise him so much?

he was once asked for 3 talented youngsters and he said Mansoor is best of all

Maybe he was good back then, but he left spin bowling after wards due to some accident.

 

[Slog]

Another one:

Khalid Latif - God knows how he used to put up that much runs. Such limited technque

 

[Slog]

Maybe he was good back then, but he left spin bowling after wards due to some accident.

its kind of funny that he even managed to get a county contract on Woolmer recommendation

 

[Suleiman]

Ill give credit to these guys that they atleast played more than 10 matches for the national team

But yeah. Shehzad especially because he is very limited in his game so dont know where the hype even came from

He was very good at the U19 level, still not hype-able, but good. PCB invested a lot in him so people thought he was gonna be something great.

Wasn't a tuk tuk crown prince like he is now when he was u19. Was p aggressive back then. Now the only aggression he shows is on twitter.

Junaid Khan is another

"The next Wasim"

Every young player we have has to be the next something, can't just be himself.

Maqsood as well, "The next Inzi", though I'll give him benefit of the doubt and say he's been too in and outta the team to prove anything.

 

[Slog]

He was very good at the U19 level, still not hype-able, but good. PCB invested a lot in him so people thought he was gonna be something great.

Wasn't a tuk tuk crown prince like he is now when he was u19. Was p aggressive back then. Now the only aggression he shows is on twitter.

Junaid Khan is another

"The next Wasim"

Every young player we have has to be the next something, can't just be himself.

Maqsood as well, "The next Inzi", though I'll give him benefit of the doubt and say he's been too in and outta the team to prove anything.

tbf Maqsood too is a very limited player. Hopefully he has a great career but in terms of shots he doesnt have a lot in him

 

[Abdullah719]

This is how it works, though the hype does go a bit overboard sometimes.

Eventually we expect too much from the youngsta beauties. I, for one, am simply thankful that the likes of Rizwan, Imad, etc. have proven their worth somewhat. Often, it's the unnoticed ones that go on to become good players.

 

[Slog]

This is how it works, though the hype does go a bit overboard sometimes.

Eventually we expect too much from the youngsta beauties. I, for one, am simply thankful that the likes of Rizwan, Imad, etc. have proven their worth somewhat. Often, it's the unnoticed ones that go on to become good players.

its funny that Rizwan especially didnt get much hype at all.

but VERY EARLY days for him and he might find himself in ths thread too a year later

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

How hyped up youngstaas over the years have actually been worth the time and effort discussing them and have managed some degree of a successful international career?

Some of the names over the past decade who have been on hype machine have been:

Anwar Ali = The new Waqar who would run through sides on a whim (atleast he is in the team now and has found sort of a niche eventhough not at the level we hoped for.)

Jamshed Ahmed = Was apparently the most complete fast bowling prospect ever. Wonder what happened.

Mohammad Irshad = Supposed to be a 150 kph+ bowler.

Mansoor Amjad = Talented Sialkot All rounder. No less authority than Woolmer had called him as among the most talented young all rounders he has ever seen.

Shahid Yousuf= Supposed to be the new MoYo

Ehsan Adil = Supposed to be the new Asif. Still very young but somehow I doubt he is going to be anywhere near world class

Babar Azam = Still on the hype machine.

Hammad Azam = Improved version of Razzaq lol. Absolutely limited player

Usman Qadir = Leg spin magician

The list is endless. All were touted to be world class lol )

Im sure there are more than these. Share your opinions on these and any others you have in mind.

Send Anwar Ali to Australia and remodel his action to the older one under the supervision of Dennis Lillee and cricket australia biomechanics expert who remodelled James Pattinson's action. It will take 6 months. Than Anwar will be the best allrounder of the world. Aqib destroyed him by changing his action.

Injustice by regions and departments was the case of destruction of Jamshed Ahmed. They benched him for 4 matches than gave him a match than dropped him again. He left cricket in the process.

When Amir sohail was chief selector he recalled Mohammad Zahid. He played one odi where his average speed was 85mph and fastest was 89mph. They dropped him because after 8 years comeback he wasn't bowling 155kph. Rather than allowing him time to regain match fitness and physical fitness and build up pace again by getting into groove.

To add salt to the wounds the domestic team also dropped him.

Is this the way to treat players ?

When was Shahid Yousuf hyped alot ? During his under 19 national cricket when he was Pilling lots of runs in PCB under 19 tournament. He could not translate those performances at Domestic level and left Domestic cricket for ICL at a very wrong time. Without the backing to domestic numbers he was hyped.

Mansoor was needlessly hyped by his friend and a PR group. He did nothing extravagant in domestic.

Babar Azam is rightly hyped for two reasons. Gets a hundred against the pace of bowlers he never faced in domestic apart from may be Sami if ever taakra. Against aussies when only he and Haris 49 averaging Fc player scored a century.

Makes his first FC ton in the semifinal crunch match of premiere tournament that too a double hundred 260 runs innings. Ab hype na kerein tou aor kya kerein ? When a player shows potential at these 2 occasions than he has something in him . If a guy falters , if he loses his path , if he doesn't remain humble , committed, hardworking bloke . If he gets detracted and as a player fails than its his mistake not the fans mistake .

 

[Abdullah719]

its funny that Rizwan especially didnt get much hype at all.

but VERY EARLY days for him and he might find himself in ths thread too a year later

He was relatively unknown, but if you often checked the domestic matches over the past couple of years, he was always on the scene. Specially in chases. A few others too; Haris himself was not hyped much. Umar Siddiq is another one who is pretty consistent but has never been hyped much. Peculiar.

Quality post by [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] above, as always.

 

[Slog]

Send Anwar Ali to Australia and remodel his action to the older one under the supervision of Dennis Lillee and cricket australia biomechanics expert who remodelled James Pattinson's action. It will take 6 months. Than Anwar will be the best allrounder of the world. Aqib destroyed him by changing his action.

Injustice by regions and departments was the case of destruction of Jamshed Ahmed. They benched him for 4 matches than gave him a match than dropped him again. He left cricket in the process.

When Amir sohail was chief selector he recalled Mohammad Zahid. He played one odi where his average speed was 85mph and fastest was 89mph. They dropped him because after 8 years comeback he wasn't bowling 155kph. Rather than allowing him time to regain match fitness and physical fitness and build up pace again by getting into groove.

To add salt to the wounds the domestic team also dropped him.

Is this the way to treat players ?

When was Shahid Yousuf hyped alot ? During his under 19 national cricket when he was Pilling lots of runs in PCB under 19 tournament. He could not translate those performances at Domestic level and left Domestic cricket for ICL at a very wrong time. Without the backing to domestic numbers he was hyped.

Mansoor was needlessly hyped by his friend and a PR group. He did nothing extravagant in domestic.

Babar Azam is rightly hyped for two reasons. Gets a hundred against the pace of bowlers he never faced in domestic apart from may be Sami if ever taakra. Against aussies when only he and Haris 49 averaging Fc player scored a century.

Makes his first FC ton in the semifinal crunch match of premiere tournament that too a double hundred 260 runs innings. Ab hype na kerein tou aor kya kerein ? When a player shows potential at these 2 occasions than he has something in him . If a guy falters , if he loses his path , if he doesn't remain humble , committed, hardworking bloke . If he gets detracted and as a player fails than its his mistake not the fans mistake .

Anwar Ali action did need a modification. ALL biomechanic experts and former cricketers were saying that the action was putting too much stress on his back and the reason for his injury problems and if he didnt correct it his career would be over before it even properly begins.

Mansoor Amjad was highly rated by Woolmer and called him our best young prospect so that means something. He even managed to get a county contract.

There was also another offspinner who was in sameU19WC as Mansoor Amjad. Wonder what heppened with him

Great overall post though

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I would like to add that people like Ehsan Adil and Haris Sohail cannot be written off yet. Although God forbid they too cab go to that list of promise but lack of performance.

Both have got fitness issues which have hampered there progress.

Why we all hyped Ehsan ? After Asif he was the first bowler in our domestic to do channel bowling over after over. At the age of 18 or 19 he made his Fc debut and in his first FC season he took 58 wickets and was highest or second highest wicket taker surpassing many domestic giants of the time . But he should have played another domestic season and then should have been selected . He went to SA and first time played on a ground having clay and his legs couldn't bear the pull of the ground and he got injured.

Asif was the most improved player ever in pakistan after getting dropped according to me . I could not believe he is the same bowler who played in Australia and everybody was like who is this unknown parchee ? Who the he'll selected him and why ? He was very very mediocre along with khalil with khalil was a known commodity of domestic cricket for 3,4 years.

Much of these youngsters haven't shown the hunger ad grit to wear the greenstar again after getting dropped. Either they are mentally week or they just want it back in plate.

Most improved player ever after comeback wa Mohammad Asif and on second number I would place hafeez. Misbah made a strong comeback but with the same technique and style he performed plus he was the captain.

In other countries you see Simon katich , hayden that after getting dropped from team how improved and better players they were after comeback especially Hayden.

 

[Sachin136]

Babar Azam and Haris Sohail are actually underrated by Pakistan fans.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Anwar Ali action did need a modification. ALL biomechanic experts and former cricketers were saying that the action was putting too much stress on his back and the reason for his injury problems and if he didnt correct it his career would be over before it even properly begins.

I dont think there was any biomechanics expert in pakistan. Neither anyone was consulted abroad. It was just an art work of Aqib who I regard as a very good coach otherwise except for what he did with Anwar.

Amir and Milne got stress fractures of back at three spots but there actions weren't changed because it was thought that there body hasn't developed fully yet and it's just a case of they putting in extra force to bowl pacy and got stress fractures of back.

Anwar's action should not have been changed or if changed should have been changed scientifically.

You are right in creating this thread though. We have over hyped some players needlessly and they failed. But deserved to be hyped and they destroyed themselves on their own.

But this goes worldwide. We do it abit more than others.

Look at Xavier Marshall. He was touted to be next Viv Richards by West Indians and there was lots of media hype before his debut. Just look at his not only international numbers but also domestic numbers now and you would laugh that where was viv's level and where is this guy.

 

[Abdul]

Sadaf Hussain is hyped a lot on PakPassion; not sure which way he will go once he plays International cricket.

 

[emranabbas]

shoaib Maqsood - the new Inzi
nasir jamshed - the new saeed

 

[Abdul]

shoaib Maqsood - the new Inzi
nasir jamshed - the new saeed

Jamshed was actually good all along until he toured South Africa.

 

[wasimjunior]

shan masood- the new alistair cook

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Most of the u19s who have ever played for Pakistan in u19 wc's,, considering most the players are at least 21 when they play in the competition it's hardly a big deal if they're made to look good by players much younger than them
Anwar Ali has become an all rounder
Sarfraz Ahmed has become a decent wicketkeeper
Imran tahir has become a leg spinner too

Rameez raja jnr hasn't done a lot either since he burst onto the scene late 2011, was compared with Brian Lara at one stage , but haven't really heard from him since

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Most of the u19s who have ever played for Pakistan in u19 wc's,, considering most the players are at least 21 when they play in the competition it's hardly a big deal if they're made to look good by players much younger than them
Anwar Ali has become an all rounder
Sarfraz Ahmed has become a decent wicketkeeper
Imran tahir has become a leg spinner too

Rameez raja jnr hasn't done a lot either since he burst onto the scene late 2011, was compared with Brian Lara at one stage , but haven't really heard from him since

That is Rameez Aziz (Lara)

 

[asfandyar]

Regarding the hype machine thing, let me tell you a story. There was a boy named hype machine (HM) who used to get excited on every new player on the block. His excitement made him research, and post about the player on a cricket forum. People read those posts and some gained new knowledge about a certain player, while others just mocked HM. Among the second group was a boy named hype exterminator (HE). He was allergic to hype and whenever HM made some posts, he used to jump in with his seemingly witty posts, posting useless stuff like "performances in Pakistani FC mean nothing" etc. He used to consider hyping as a time wasting exercise, while he himself replied (with comnents that benefitted none) to all of HM's posts. Now while some people gained insights from HM's post, HE's post were usually stereotypical, and largely useless as they covered well known topics of logic and application (those too rather poorly). So who's the winner?

Btw HM are people like [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] et al, while HE refers to all hype allergic ppers and not just the [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

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[chacha kashmiri]

That is Rameez Aziz (Lara)

Not heard more about him either

It's a shame really seeing how players like khawaja and tahir have really adopted to the big stage

 

[Aman]

Babar Azam and Haris Sohail are actually underrated by Pakistan fans.

Nah, severely over rated at this stage.

They've shown very little at the international stage to suggest they're worth as much discussion as they get into here.

Haris has done alright, but he's struggled to make a 100 despite crossing 50 7 times.

 

[Alizai]

Who said they were gonna be world class??

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[Monsee]

The three pacers from 2005-06 U19 WC winning team: Akhtar Ayub, Jamshed Ahmed, and Anwar Ali all got the raw end of the deal and what they achieved was probably much less than the potential they displayed!

Jamshed Ahmed: As already mentioned by TalentSpotterPk, he was very unfairly treated (we even had an interview here of him where he mentioned the injustices as well). He went to PIA and was not given proper chances despite showing glimpses of his talent. He would take a few wickets (better than most other fast bowlers) and then find himslef benched for next 4-5 games. Eventually he let go of the sport at a very young age. I still remember when he bowled one of the left handed Indian batsmen with a ball that pitched Leg/Middle (after swinging in the air inward) and then seaming away to hit the top of off. Tony Greg (I think) was commentating, he said 'Even Wasim (Akram) would be proud of this delivery." I belive the ball was also bowled at 84 MPH or something, so it was not just your averge basic good ball there!

Akhtar Ayub: Of the three he looked the fastest and was able to swing both ways at speed that was touching 87-88 MPH; most Pak fans were jaw dropped at the pace this guy was bowling and seemed very well built as well. He went to KRL I believe (still there maybe), he got similar treatment because the team was full of good fast bowlers for domestic level and he barely got any matches. Plus his action was very deceptive as well as damaging for his body; he got injured a few times and still plays but not sure how good he is these days. With some proper treatment and proper playing opportunities, he could have been a lightning bowler for Pak for a long time!

Anwar Ali: The main destroyer of Indian batting in that final and the guy who was swinging it miles while bowling well above 80-82 MPH at that stage. He was messed up by Mr. Action Changer big time, so much so that he can barely bring the ball in when he used to seam it big time. Aaqib has no technical qualification regarding tinkering with bowling actions or anything similar yet he likes to make these kind of changes to bowler's actions because he thinks he knows so much. On record he messed up at least half a dozen bowlers including Anwar Ali, Mansoor Amjad (At Under 19 level he had this beautiful action and had all the tools: Googly, good stock leg spin ball, and the flipper), M. Irshad, Abdur Rauf etc.

Anwar got injured in his early days at domestic level and Aaqib messed him up by changing his action. Whenever I see Malinga, Nuwan Kulasekara, and Thisara Perera bowl, I am always reminded of how Anwar Ali's action looked so similar to the last two for sure and how Lankan's never messed with their actions despite them being so hard on their bodies as well. If I could hang Aaqib for one crime, it would be due to these careers he messed up with. I believe Anway had huge potential and yet due to Aaqib messing with his action, he is not even half the bowler he could have been if his action was modified with some professional help by someone who believed in fine tuning it rather than making wholesale changes

Note: I believe Mansoor Amjad had a pretty good action at U19 level till Aaqib messed with his action as well and he never recoveered after that and he seemed to have all the tools for a leggie at such a young age

 

[Buffet]

Look at under 19 and how they develop in Pakistan vs other countries.

Clearly, something goes wrong because not many youngsters make it big for Pakistan at international level.

Point is - Hype may not be totally unjustified for all youngsters. They may have many weaknesses, but in different system they may get chance to plug the holes. In previous eras, countries used to play the role of plugging those holes and Pakistan was able to produce some ATG players.

I was very impressed with Umar Akmal to be honest. Yah, I didn't claim that he will become an ATG or anything like that, but he was much different from usual Pakistani batsmen. But that dude is still stuck at the same level and probably even regressed. He had some holes in his entire game and that has not been plugged.

Now, there is no denying that at times we hear some names with zero long term potentials and still some posters hype them. It's not too difficult to see that some names were useless even when they started. The basic ingredient was missing to start with.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Regarding the hype machine thing, let me tell you a story. There was a boy named hype machine (HM) who used to get excited on every new player on the block. His excitement made him research, and post about the player on a cricket forum. People read those posts and some gained new knowledge about a certain player, while others just mocked HM. Among the second group was a boy named hype exterminator (HE). He was allergic to hype and whenever HM made some posts, he used to jump in with his seemingly witty posts, posting useless stuff like "performances in Pakistani FC mean nothing" etc. He used to consider hyping as a time wasting exercise, while he himself replied (with comnents that benefitted none) to all of HM's posts. Now while some people gained insights from HM's post, HE's post were usually stereotypical, and largely useless as they covered well known topics of logic and application (those too rather poorly). So who's the winner?

Btw HM are people like [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] et al, while HE refers to all hype allergic ppers and not just the [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

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Hahahahahahaha Good One. I don't mind the comparison. Legacies continue ; -)

I want him back at PP. He had the Eye aswell as first hand information. He introduced PP to many many players. He was the Hub of PP pakistan.

 

[Belawal2014]

Look at under 19 and how they develop in Pakistan vs other countries.

Clearly, something goes wrong because not many youngsters make it big for Pakistan at international level.

Point is - Hype may not be totally unjustified for all youngsters. They may have many weaknesses, but in different system they may get chance to plug the holes. In previous eras, countries used to play the role of plugging those holes and Pakistan was able to produce some ATG players.

I was very impressed with Umar Akmal to be honest. Yah, I didn't claim that he will become an ATG or anything like that, but he was much different from usual Pakistani batsmen. But that dude is still stuck at the same level and probably even regressed. He had some holes in his entire game and that has not been plugged.

Now, there is no denying that at times we hear some names with zero long term potentials and still some posters hype them. It's not too difficult to see that some names were useless even when they started. The basic ingredient was missing to start with.

You should take a look at the "Cricketer's tweets" thread here and you'll soon realize why Chota Akmal has regressed so drastically.

 

[Markhor]

Hasan Raza came into the side with a lot of fanfare making his debut aged 16 and he had impressive domestic record. Eventually got found out by Steve Harmison and was never to be seen again.

Shahzaib Hasan was a total hack but I remember a poster here insisting he was going to be our Virender Sehwag.

 

[sjahmed23]

It's funny how we hype our U19 cricketers so much knowing very well that they are not really U19, but much older bullying the real U19s. This is why when they enter international cricket they get exposed and are thrown out.

 

[asfandyar]

Hasan Raza came into the side with a lot of fanfare making his debut aged 16 and he had impressive domestic record. Eventually got found out by Steve Harmison and was never to be seen again.

Shahzaib Hasan was a total hack but I remember a poster here insisting he was going to be our Virender Sehwag.

Wasn't Sehwag a hack too? (A very good one though)

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[Monsee]

It's funny how we hype our U19 cricketers so much knowing very well that they are not really U19, but much older bullying the real U19s. This is why when they enter international cricket they get exposed and are thrown out.

Not the case for quite a few years now; the wrist tests in place for 5-6 years or longer basically predicts 6 months '+-' of the real age so no, that myth was busted quite a few years ago!

The reason some still that way is either lack of info (as in your case) and because of the older generation of player that got away with having birth certificates showing them much younger than their real ages!

 

[Buffet]

You should take a look at the "Cricketer's tweets" thread here and you'll soon realize why Chota Akmal has regressed so drastically.

I first time checked that thread and it's 28 pages long. Don't have patience to read 28 pages. Summary?

 

[Donal Cozzie]

I first time checked that thread and it's 28 pages long. Don't have patience to read 28 pages. Summary?

It involves a goat, the consumption of hailstones, various selfies and a lot of vacant stares into the emptiness known as Umar Akmals mind.

Plus grapes, cant forget the grapes *shudders*

Serious advice from one angrezi to another, check his twitter account/ the thread if possible. It will honestly make your day.

Man I'm gonna go rewatch the classics again myself

 

[Belawal2014]

I first time checked that thread and it's 28 pages long. Don't have patience to read 28 pages. Summary?

I guess if you look at the very last couple of pages you'd get the gist of things. Basically Umar Akmal and his tweets have been a source of our entertainment for some time now. From him posing with goats to taking pictures with trees to taking a selfie outside of Peshawar cricket stadium moments after the earthquake all suggest that he has the mental capacity of an 8 year old. Not to mention his cringe worthy videos like this one

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ma sha Allah enjoying the weather in Diamond Ground Islamabad.......&#55357;&#56842; <a href="https://t.co/xVUvoFnFC1">pic.twitter.com/xVUvoFnFC1</a></p>— Umar Akmal (@Umar96Akmal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Umar96Akmal/status/661805429299744768">November 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Buffet]

It involves a goat, the consumption of hailstones, various selfies and a lot of vacant stares into the emptiness known as Umar Akmals mind.

Plus grapes, cant forget the grapes *shudders*

Serious advice from one angrezi to another, check his twitter account/ the thread if possible. It will honestly make your day.

Man I'm gonna go rewatch the classics again myself

I guess if you look at the very last couple of pages you'd get the gist of things. Basically Umar Akmal and his tweets have been a source of our entertainment for some time now. From him posing with goats to taking pictures with trees to taking a selfie outside of Peshawar cricket stadium moments after the earthquake all suggest that he has the mental capacity of an 8 year old. Not to mention his cringe worthy videos like this one

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ma sha Allah enjoying the weather in Diamond Ground Islamabad.......�� <a href="https://t.co/xVUvoFnFC1">pic.twitter.com/xVUvoFnFC1</a></p>— Umar Akmal (@Umar96Akmal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Umar96Akmal/status/661805429299744768">November 4, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Thanks guys. Seems like a fun thread. I will go through it later.

 

[Justcrazy]

Jamshed Ahmed was a very good bowler.

First see him bowl in U/ 19 then comment.

 

[zabalestmsm]

Nauman Anwar is trending nowadays. Lets see how he turns out. I personally dont find him impressive.

 

[zabalestmsm]

Zia Ul Haq was hyped as well. But he hasnt been tested yet. Lets see. I dont find him impressive though.

 

[Indiafan]

Junaid Khan was hyped a lot and didn't live upto it

 

[zabalestmsm]

Zafar Gohar is trending as well nowadays. I think he will not disappoint.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Babar Azam is rightly hyped for two reasons. Gets a hundred against the pace of bowlers he never faced in domestic apart from may be Sami if ever taakra. Against aussies when only he and Haris 49 averaging Fc player scored a century.

Makes his first FC ton in the semifinal crunch match of premiere tournament that too a double hundred 260 runs innings. Ab hype na kerein tou aor kya kerein ? When a player shows potential at these 2 occasions than he has something in him . If a guy falters , if he loses his path , if he doesn't remain humble , committed, hardworking bloke . If he gets detracted and as a player fails than its his mistake not the fans mistake .

I hope and pray that he keeps performing and lives up to the hype. With hardwork , being grounded , being committed he will do it I.A.

Today [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] brother will be happy aswell.

 

[Slog]

I hope and pray that he keeps performing and lives up to the hype. With hardwork , being grounded , being committed he will do it I.A.

Today [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] brother will be happy aswell.

Yes good performance after an initial struggle from what it seems.

Btw i said he is still on hype machine so didnt exactly say he wont succeed.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Look at under 19 and how they develop in Pakistan vs other countries.

Clearly, something goes wrong because not many youngsters make it big for Pakistan at international level.

Point is - Hype may not be totally unjustified for all youngsters. They may have many weaknesses, but in different system they may get chance to plug the holes. In previous eras, countries used to play the role of plugging those holes and Pakistan was able to produce some ATG players.

I was very impressed with Umar Akmal to be honest. Yah, I didn't claim that he will become an ATG or anything like that, but he was much different from usual Pakistani batsmen. But that dude is still stuck at the same level and probably even regressed. He had some holes in his entire game and that has not been plugged.

Now, there is no denying that at times we hear some names with zero long term potentials and still some posters hype them. It's not too difficult to see that some names were useless even when they started. The basic ingredient was missing to start with.

He DEFINITELY regressed. There was actually a time back in 09 he and Kohli were considered the new future talents. Kohli's now captain and Umar.....well lets not talk about that

 

[yasir]

Babar Azam and Haris Sohail are actually underrated by Pakistan fans.

No they are not, atleast by PPers. We wanted Harris in test team (let alone ODI) after 2011 WC. He has yet to find a place. His fitness and usual politics has cut down his career.

Part of the reason is that Misbah and Co not keen on introducing young players in team. Now 25/26 seems to be minimum age requirement for test team, which is sad because after that time changing technique is hard. Misbah strolled along with old guys partly playing in same conditions all the time(UAE or SL), where experience has more bank for the bucks then playing young guys. Bad days are coming for the fans as team hit a different road for 18 months or so!!

 

[yasir]

I hope and pray that he keeps performing and lives up to the hype. With hardwork , being grounded , being committed he will do it I.A.

Today [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] brother will be happy aswell.

He has done well today. But Pakistan major problem from last 70 years is opening, this is an area, where we have lost most of the matches throughout our history. Our bowling and fielding is going in right direction, middle order is decent, but opening remains as bad as 70 years ago. If that is not changed, we will remain average team (as we have being in 70 years), no matter whatever else change.

Surprisingly there is no opener in the hype machine, that's how poor we are in that department - Not even in our dreams we have come up with one opener.

Also, when it comes to playing fast bowling, we have being very poor both in defense and range of shots. That is a serious issue. Again most of the players above hardly play fast bowling to international standard. Opening failure and inability to play fast bowling are tied to gather. This has to be priority number 1, if we are serious about getting out of the shell of average team!!

 

[Monsee]

Junaid Khan was hyped a lot and didn't live upto it

Indians ki patloonain uttaar ker to aaya hi tha India mein, that was not enough for a hyped up pacer?

He went down after his few knee injuries or else was a top bowler

 

[Slog]

Some new entrants

Umair Masood
Mohammad Nawaz

 

[street cricketer]

How hyped up youngstaas over the years have actually been worth the time and effort discussing them and have managed some degree of a successful international career?

Some of the names over the past decade who have been on hype machine have been:

Anwar Ali = The new Waqar who would run through sides on a whim (atleast he is in the team now and has found sort of a niche eventhough not at the level we hoped for.)

Jamshed Ahmed = Was apparently the most complete fast bowling prospect ever. Wonder what happened.

Mohammad Irshad = Supposed to be a 150 kph+ bowler.

Mansoor Amjad = Talented Sialkot All rounder. No less authority than Woolmer had called him as among the most talented young all rounders he has ever seen.

Shahid Yousuf= Supposed to be the new MoYo

Ehsan Adil = Supposed to be the new Asif. Still very young but somehow I doubt he is going to be anywhere near world class

Babar Azam = Still on the hype machine.

Hammad Azam = Improved version of Razzaq lol. Absolutely limited player

Usman Qadir = Leg spin magician

The list is endless. All were touted to be world class lol )

Im sure there are more than these. Share your opinions on these and any others you have in mind.

I think Babar Azam, still being overhyped, has genuine potential to become a quality batsman for Pakistan in future.

 

[pakistani pride]

Youngsta beauty what a term. Gotta love it.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

50% of Pakistanis live in denial and the other 50% doesn't really care as long as their pockets aren't empty.

Most of the people who live in denial have a cool ID on PP. It's time to accept that our fast bowling resources are not what they used to be. The best bat currently are guys like Hafeez while young talents like Umar Amin keep failing under pressure.

I wish the PCB for once took this seriously, but we all know that they will do nothing to improve the cricket on grassroot level. Many talents have to quit cricket as well because there is no one to support them.



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[Prince of Pakistan]

I think Babar Azam, still being overhyped, has genuine potential to become a quality batsman for Pakistan in future.

That's true.

Babar Azam is the only batsman in our domestic currently who seems to have some future in international cricket and this is really sad.

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[street cricketer]

That's true.

Babar Azam is the only batsman in our domestic currently who seems to have some future in international cricket and this is really sad.

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I would add Haris Sohail as well.

 

[Strike Rate]

How hyped up youngstaas over the years have actually been worth the time and effort discussing them and have managed some degree of a successful international career?

Some of the names over the past decade who have been on hype machine have been:

Anwar Ali = The new Waqar who would run through sides on a whim (atleast he is in the team now and has found sort of a niche eventhough not at the level we hoped for.)

Jamshed Ahmed = Was apparently the most complete fast bowling prospect ever. Wonder what happened.

Mohammad Irshad = Supposed to be a 150 kph+ bowler.

Mansoor Amjad = Talented Sialkot All rounder. No less authority than Woolmer had called him as among the most talented young all rounders he has ever seen.

Shahid Yousuf= Supposed to be the new MoYo

Ehsan Adil = Supposed to be the new Asif. Still very young but somehow I doubt he is going to be anywhere near world class

Babar Azam = Still on the hype machine.

Hammad Azam = Improved version of Razzaq lol. Absolutely limited player

Usman Qadir = Leg spin magician

The list is endless. All were touted to be world class lol )

Im sure there are more than these. Share your opinions on these and any others you have in mind.

You should be hanged for not mentioning CLH Umar Amin

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

I would add Haris Sohail as well.

I like Haris Sohail. But he seems to have serious fitness issues and a few weakness playing fast bowling.

I hope we see him back soon.

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[Hamza_]

I would add Haris Sohail as well.

Terrible loss of his own and team with him being injured

 

[Majid Khan]

I remember reading article in Pakistani Cricketer magazine back in late 90s about young Pak U19 pacer who was set to break all speed records -- only for him to turn out as quick as Venkatesh Prasad -- his initials are F A , if can anyone guess his name ?

 

[Abdullah]

Can somebody tell me where Harris is please.
I saw him play in NZ ,Aus as well as UAE and I do not remmeber the guy getting caught behind whilst trying to defend (except ashwin WC) or rapped on the pads or bowled in his short stint as an international cricketer.

Was a really good prospect, always looked rock solid at the crease.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I remember reading article in Pakistani Cricketer magazine back in late 90s about young Pak U19 pacer who was set to break all speed records -- only for him to turn out as quick as Venkatesh Prasad -- his initials are F A , if can anyone guess his name ?

Fazl e Akbar was fast medium at his peak and was capable of hitting 145kph.

When he got selected it was too too late. He was almost touching his expiry date still he was quicker than venkatesh prasad. He was very touted as a speed demon unless one or two magazines had incorrect unreliable sources in domestic cricket.

 

[Syed1]

Can somebody tell me where Harris is please.
I saw him play in NZ ,Aus as well as UAE and I do not remmeber the guy getting caught behind whilst trying to defend (except ashwin WC) or rapped on the pads or bowled in his short stint as an international cricketer.

Was a really good prospect, always looked rock solid at the crease.

He has bad knees and has had an operation on them in Dubai recently. Knees take along time to recover and he won't be back in the next six to eight months..

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

I think there is a difference and fine line between praising good performances of a good player on show and overhyping a player or his performance.


If an Indian poster makes a thread about a Pakistani player trying to touch his skillset to heaven as a mean of trolling PP than what can be done about it ?

Similarly if we watch mohammad nawaz , Babar Azam or mohammad asghar giving good performances we aren't even entitles to praise them as fans ?

Just praising isn't over hyping.

 

[#GreenRoars]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

I think there is a difference and fine line between praising good performances of a good player on show and overhyping a player or his performance.


If an Indian poster makes a thread about a Pakistani player trying to touch his skillset to heaven as a mean of trolling PP than what can be done about it ?

Similarly if we watch mohammad nawaz , Babar Azam or mohammad asghar giving good performances we aren't even entitles to praise them as fans ?

Just praising isn't over hyping.

Leave it bro, people cry that media, selectors e.t.c don't highlight good performers. But when some like us do this job then they say we are hyping some local players.

They can't draw a fine line between hyping and praising. We highlighted Nawaz here, Asghar here, people have seen. But some who poked fun at us now don't have spine to say they were wrong.

Leave them, just continue your good work bro.

 

[Abdullah]

He has bad knees and has had an operation on them in Dubai recently. Knees take along time to recover and he won't be back in the next six to eight months..

That is a real shame- I wanted him back for the England ODIs as he can be our number 3 come CT and WC in Eng. I remmeber the WC warm up game against engalnd and he looked real good vs Anderson when likes of YK struggled.

By the sounds of it it is a long way back.

 

[Abdullah]

Leave it bro, people cry that media, selectors e.t.c don't highlight good performers. But when some like us do this job then they say we are hyping some local players.

They can't draw a fine line between hyping and praising. We highlighted Nawaz here, Asghar here, people have seen. But some who poked fun at us now don't have spine to say they were wrong.

Leave them, just continue your good work bro.

Fully agree- keep up the good work boys [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Leave it bro, people cry that media, selectors e.t.c don't highlight good performers. But when some like us do this job then they say we are hyping some local players.

They can't draw a fine line between hyping and praising. We highlighted Nawaz here, Asghar here, people have seen. But some who poked fun at us now don't have spine to say they were wrong.

Leave them, just continue your good work bro.

Agree with you.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Fully agree- keep up the good work boys [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION]

Thank you.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

I don't see anything wrong with people "hyping" their favorite players. This is a cricket forum and that is what the discussion is going to be about here.

 

[cricfan14]

Gotta be honest, right now the Nauman Anwar hype is the greatest. He's been in poor form recently but people were automatically selecting him on the T20 squad - based on what?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Gotta be honest, right now the Nauman Anwar hype is the greatest. He's been in poor form recently but people were automatically selecting him on the T20 squad - based on what?

Based on his previous record where his average was 38 & SR was 160 with 1 century & 2 fifties.

He will eventually succeed. Too good a player not to fire.

 

[Slog]

[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

I think there is a difference and fine line between praising good performances of a good player on show and overhyping a player or his performance.


If an Indian poster makes a thread about a Pakistani player trying to touch his skillset to heaven as a mean of trolling PP than what can be done about it ?

Similarly if we watch mohammad nawaz , Babar Azam or mohammad asghar giving good performances we aren't even entitles to praise them as fans ?

Just praising isn't over hyping.

Leave it bro, people cry that media, selectors e.t.c don't highlight good performers. But when some like us do this job then they say we are hyping some local players.

They can't draw a fine line between hyping and praising. We highlighted Nawaz here, Asghar here, people have seen. But some who poked fun at us now don't have spine to say they were wrong.

Leave them, just continue your good work bro.

I'm not attacking anyone here man. And I know the difference between the 2. But too many times players are over-praised on just one or 2 performances and hyped up as Pakistan's next saviour

 

[srh]

That's true.

Babar Azam is the only batsman in our domestic currently who seems to have some future in international cricket and this is really sad.

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Unless you have seen all the batsmen in Pakistan domestic, you are lying here.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Umair Masood - Remember the name....