The PDM is secretly hoping for Martial Law in Pakistan

[Savak]

They have lost the political battle and street power battle against pti. They secretly want Bajwa to rescue them from IK and the only way possible is for the army to impose martial law.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nobody should think these imports and crooks have any type of independence policy. You teach a dog tricks, you then order the dog to fetch, it doesnt have a mind of its own to please its master(s).

The truth is they have been paid very well and ordered to finish off Imran Khan, let there be no doubt their aim is assassination. They know this wont change their future but their future is already planned , run like cowards with as much Pakistani money as possible.

The ISI needs to step in here, the only agency which can stop this general and the only agency which works for the benefit of Pakistan.

 

[Stewie]

Nobody should think these imports and crooks have any type of independence policy. You teach a dog tricks, you then order the dog to fetch, it doesnt have a mind of its own to please its master(s).

The truth is they have been paid very well and ordered to finish off Imran Khan, let there be no doubt their aim is assassination. They know this wont change their future but their future is already planned , run like cowards with as much Pakistani money as possible.

The ISI needs to step in here, the only agency which can stop this general and the only agency which works for the benefit of Pakistan.

if ISI works for the be benefit of Pakistan and is easily one of the most effective, feared and efficient intelligence agencies in the world, why is Pakistan in its current predicament?

Either it is not as effective and efficient as believed or it does not fully work for the benefit of Pakistan. I am leaning towards the latter. It is very very effective indeed but still has some flawed people or policies.

If they were as good and proactive for Pakistan, we would not have the sharifs and Zerdaris playing musical chairs for the last 30 odd years.

 

[daytrader]

PTI chief alleges ‘neutrals’ behind crackdown on party

ISLAMABAD: Former prime minister Imran Khan on Sunday levelled a series of allegations against the ‘neutrals’ — a term he uses to allude to the military establishment — saying as per the “information he received from insiders” they were the ones who were allegedly responsible for the ongoing crackdown on the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI).

Addressing a political gathering at Rawalpindi’s Liaquat Bagh, the PTI chairman said that with this gathering he had started the journey to achieve “real freedom” for the country and he would not rest until he has achieved his goal.

“On May 25, when the police used violence against us, I was told by insiders that the police were ordered from above, which means that neutrals pressurised them to give PTI workers a thrashing,” Mr Khan said and questioned whether the “neutrals were really neutral”.

Speaking about the disqualification case against him in the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP), the PTI chairman alleged: “The chief election commission[er] is giving every decision against us … I got information from the inside that he [the CEC] was not doing anything on his own but there was pressure from above.”

Ex-PM alleges ‘neutrals pressurised police’ to give PTI workers a thrashing on May 25; PTI leaders condemn ‘disruption of YouTube service’ during Imran’s speech

Mr Khan alleged that the police also said that they were not responsible for the torture of his aide Shahbaz Gill as they did not and it happened after “orders from behind”. “They [police] are also pointing fingers towards you… whenever anything wrong happens in Pakistan, you are blamed for it,” the PTI chief added.

The former prime minister said he wanted to ask the powers-that-be if “they were neutral or not”.

Mr Khan further accused the authorities of harassing visitors to Banigala, his residence in Islamabad, and said the people who came to meet him “received calls from the intelligence agencies”.

“I want to ask whether you are neutral or not. If you stand with these people [PDM government], will the nation stop thinking of them as thieves,” he asked. Mr Khan alleged that a certain Mr Y has come to Islamabad…I know what their plan is,” he claimed, alleging that the government wanted to get rid of him by putting him in jail and sideline the PTI.

According to Imran Khan, PTI was the “biggest party at the federal level” and any attempts to break the party would hurt the country. “Political parties are the glue that keeps the country together,” he said.

The former premier spent the first half of his speech on why he was ousted from power. He claimed that he was removed because he wanted to bring independent foreign policy.

Talking about his Chief of Staff Shahbaz Gill, Mr Khan said that Shehbaz Gill was kidnapped and tortured to give a statement against him. The former premier called out the sessions judge who sent Mr Gill on physical remand despite alleged torture, saying, “Magistrate Zeba, when a man was brought to you after [alleged] torture, you handed him over to the police again… did you do justice as a judge?”

YouTube blackout

According to Dawn.com, YouTube services in parts of the country reportedly faced disruptions during Imran Khan’s speech. It may be mentioned here that his live addresses were banned on TV channels on Saturday night by the electronic media regulator in light of his controversial remarks about judges and police officials.

The PTI issued a condemnation and noted that “coincidentally, YouTube was back to being fully operational as soon as our historic rally finished.” “Freedom of expression is completely finished in Pakistan,” it added.

PTI leader Shireen Mazari also condemned the censorship and said, “Regime change conspirators [are] so scared of Imran Khan that today in the middle of [his] speech they blocked YouTube through PTA. Shameful!

This will not silence us. Fascism at its peak as fear overwhelms the cabal of crooks and their string pullers!” PTI leader Hammad Azhar also lashed out at the authorities for the “crackdown on freedom of speech”.

In a late-night development, a heavy contingent of police reached outside the Banigala residence of Imran Khan and erected barricades to stop PTI workers from proceeding to his house, as media reports suggested that after the conclusion of his Liaquat Bagh rally there was a possibility that he could be arrested under a non-bailable case registered against him at Margalla police station.

However, there were unclear reports about his whereabouts.

According to some reports, Mr Khan did not return to his hilltop house after the public meeting and stayed at an undisclosed location in Rawalpindi.

But PTI leader Fawad Chaudhry told Dawn that Mr Khan was at his residence and thousands of party workers and his followers had gathered outside and were holding protest against the registration of FIR against him. “Khan sahib is inside and thousands of workers are gathering outside,” he added.

DAWN

 

[Bewal Express]

All 3 parties- Neutrals, PPP and Nooras are hoping for some event or reason to delay the elections which now they know, they can't win. The best they can hope for is a weak IK govt through rigging. We saw massive rigging in the bye elections and IK still won. The Martial Law is a plaster and with 80% against you, it won't work.

 

[Major]

lol, no its not.

Imran wanted military to take over when he wouldn't allow VONC take place.

Why would PPP and PMLN want martial law? That would basically mean no mna would have any value in legislative, they wont even have any power.

In military coup, you dont know when will election take place. It could be after 10 years, 15 years or 40+ years. In a democracy elections happen after every 5 years.

PPP has sindh, PMLN has mna's, MPAS along with senators.

Why would they want Martial law? Plz do use some logic before popping up a random thread

 

[Major]

All 3 parties- Neutrals, PPP and Nooras are hoping for some event or reason to delay the elections which now they know, they can't win. The best they can hope for is a weak IK govt through rigging. We saw massive rigging in the bye elections and IK still won. The Martial Law is a plaster and with 80% against you, it won't work.

How are elections being delayed? Elections will happen on time, and once the 5 year tenure is complete, the govt would resign and caretaker will come in place which is according to constitution.

To delay the election you would need to amend the constitution or the care taker govt has to do some dramabazi. The Supreme court only exists to uphold the constitution.

Stop imagining things plz

 

[Bewal Express]

How are elections being delayed? Elections will happen on time, and once the 5 year tenure is complete, the govt would resign and caretaker will come in place which is according to constitution.

To delay the election you would need to amend the constitution or the care taker govt has to do some dramabazi. The Supreme court only exists to uphold the constitution.

Stop imagining things plz

On what basis are they in power. The SC decision, which was delayed deliberately made it clear that the ex PTI members can't vote in a VONC for the mafia. And after that the rest is academic.

 

[Major]

On what basis are they in power. The SC decision, which was delayed deliberately made it clear that the ex PTI members can't vote in a VONC for the mafia. And after that the rest is academic.

They are in power because we have parliamentary system. In parliamentary system the PM is elected by MNAs. PTI's coalition partners left him after VONC took place and voted for Shebaz.

No PTI mna casted their vote. Other party mnas casted their vote.

These are basic things that you just want to repeat. Election cannot be delayed as we are bound to follow a constitution. Govt will have to resign no matter what. Election could had been delayed if we didnt had the care taker clause.

If any delay takes place it will be on care taker govt. The term will be completed. Thus, such discussions have no logic.

More concern should be given to who would be the care taker pm

 

[Bewal Express]

They are in power because we have parliamentary system. In parliamentary system the PM is elected by MNAs. PTI's coalition partners left him after VONC took place and voted for Shebaz.

No PTI mna casted their vote. Other party mnas casted their vote.

These are basic things that you just want to repeat. Election cannot be delayed as we are bound to follow a constitution. Govt will have to resign no matter what. Election could had been delayed if we didnt had the care taker clause.

If any delay takes place it will be on care taker govt. The term will be completed. Thus, such discussions have no logic.

More concern should be given to who would be the care taker pm

They weren't allowed to and that has been made clear by the SC. The rest is academic

 

[Major]

They weren't allowed to and that has been made clear by the SC. The rest is academic

you are confusing PTI mna and OTHER party mna

 

[Bewal Express]

you are confusing PTI mna and OTHER party mna

No, the ex PTI MMAs weren't allowed to vote as per SC decision. After that everything is academic. Your thugs are in power illegally

 

[Major]

No, the ex PTI MMAs weren't allowed to vote as per SC decision. After that everything is academic. Your thugs are in power illegally

and in the NA of Pakistan, it was not ex pti MNA that voted but other party members.
A MQM MNA is not a PTI MNA just because he is in a coalition. He is still a MQM member because of the election ticket.

Similarly, PDM is not a party as they contested elections on PMLN, PPP and JUI tickets.

 

[Bewal Express]

and in the NA of Pakistan, it was not ex pti MNA that voted but other party members.
A MQM MNA is not a PTI MNA just because he is in a coalition. He is still a MQM member because of the election ticket.

Similarly, PDM is not a party as they contested elections on PMLN, PPP and JUI tickets.

You have a very short memory. Without the PTIs MNAs you would had a 174, and the ones that voted for you made it clear that they only voted for the mafia because Kaptaan was going to lose. And Without the vote of the lotas, Kaptaan would have won. So your govt is illegal

 

[Major]

You have a very short memory. Without the PTIs MNAs you would had a 174, and the ones that voted for you made it clear that they only voted for the mafia because Kaptaan was going to lose. And Without the vote of the lotas, Kaptaan would have won. So your govt is illegal

PDM had 174 votes, 172 was the required number. Not a single MNA on PTI ticket casted a vote.

lol during this whole time you didnt even know the actual story. damn............

 

[Bewal Express]

PDM had 174 votes, 172 was the required number. Not a single MNA on PTI ticket casted a vote.

lol during this whole time you didnt even know the actual story. damn............

But do tell the rest. The MQM said they only voted for the The mafia because IK was going to lose as the lotas had sold their votes. The SC was asked to rule on this before the vote, and they didnt but did so weeks later after the vote. If they had given the decision at the time then MQM, for one wouldn't have voted for the mafia. Unless you are aren't saying what you want to say -hint hint neutrals weren't neutral. Lol

 

[Major]

But do tell the rest. The MQM said they only voted for the The mafia because IK was going to lose as the lotas had sold their votes. The SC was asked to rule on this before the vote, and they didnt but did so weeks later after the vote. If they had given the decision at the time then MQM, for one wouldn't have voted for the mafia. Unless you are aren't saying what you want to say -hint hint neutrals weren't neutral. Lol

MQM is a separate party, their members won election on MQM ticket, thus they are allowed to vote against. If a party cant vote against, than that destroys the whole point of VONC.

Had you said it was PTI members voting against than you were right.

An mqm mna isnt a PTI member

 

[Gayle_Force]

They are in power because we have parliamentary system. In parliamentary system the PM is elected by MNAs. PTI's coalition partners left him after VONC took place and voted for Shebaz.

No PTI mna casted their vote. Other party mnas casted their vote.

These are basic things that you just want to repeat. Election cannot be delayed as we are bound to follow a constitution. Govt will have to resign no matter what. Election could had been delayed if we didnt had the care taker clause.

If any delay takes place it will be on care taker govt. The term will be completed. Thus, such discussions have no logic.

More concern should be given to who would be the care taker pm

This is a selective view of the constitution as the other aspect is that there are 130+ empty seats in which mnas have resigned and their resignation was already approved. Per constitution, election needs to be held on all seats together but the government is forcibly not allowing that to happen because that will trigger a general election.

 

[Major]

This is a selective view of the constitution as the other aspect is that there are 130+ empty seats in which mnas have resigned and their resignation was already approved. Per constitution, election needs to be held on all seats together but the government is forcibly not allowing that to happen because that will trigger a general election.

But there is an enough majority to govern the country and pass bills?

ECP wasn't ready or equipped to schedule full election. We were suppose to have a population count which would had increased seats in NA

 

[Gayle_Force]

But there is an enough majority to govern the country and pass bills?

ECP wasn't ready or equipped to schedule full election. We were suppose to have a population count which would had increased seats in NA

That’s not how parliamentary democracy works. Parliament cannot function without representation from all 330 seats or so in Pakistan. That’s why you see bi-election within 3 months whenever a seat is vacated. Right now the parliament has 130+ vacant seats. The speaker has done an unprecedented thing by reopening the resignations which were already accepted by the previous speaker. If you truly believe in constitution, like you are claiming to, than you should be advocating for election to be called on all 130+ seats based on the spirit of the constitution.

The problem is that is too large a number and will trigger a general election. The parliament as it’s currently running is anything but constitutional. It just has blessings from somewhere else that is keeping it going. The parliament itself does not even have enough power to appoint its own finance minister.

 

[Major]

That’s not how parliamentary democracy works. Parliament cannot function without representation from all 330 seats or so in Pakistan. That’s why you see bi-election within 3 months whenever a seat is vacated. Right now the parliament has 130+ vacant seats. The speaker has done an unprecedented thing by reopening the resignations which were already accepted by the previous speaker. If you truly believe in constitution, like you are claiming to, than you should be advocating for election to be called on all 130+ seats based on the spirit of the constitution.

The problem is that is too large a number and will trigger a general election. The parliament as it’s currently running is anything but constitutional. It just has blessings from somewhere else that is keeping it going. The parliament itself does not even have enough power to appoint its own finance minister.

Do you think ECP has the resources do conduct full elections on 130+ seats currently?

Could you plz elaborate the finance minister part

 

[Bewal Express]

MQM is a separate party, their members won election on MQM ticket, thus they are allowed to vote against. If a party cant vote against, than that destroys the whole point of VONC.

Had you said it was PTI members voting against than you were right.

An mqm mna isnt a PTI member

You deliberately missed my point. The PTI members that took the money had no right to vote and that meant that you only could win with MQM votes. They made it clear that as IK was going to lose, they decided to back the mafia. I know your finding it difficult to follow because it requires logic and deduction but your govt is illegal and hence the daily illegal acts and torture. A govt that should never have been is holding PK hostage because they have no support.

 

[Bewal Express]

Do you think ECP has the resources do conduct full elections on 130+ seats currently?

Could you plz elaborate the finance minister part

It's not their responsibility to find the resources. They have to hold elections. Why haven't they been held? Which constitution says resources can hold up elections. On every single thing you guys have broken the law.

 

[Major]

You deliberately missed my point. The PTI members that took the money had no right to vote and that meant that you only could win with MQM votes. They made it clear that as IK was going to lose, they decided to back the mafia. I know your finding it difficult to follow because it requires logic and deduction but your govt is illegal and hence the daily illegal acts and torture. A govt that should never have been is holding PK hostage because they have no support.

PTI members did not vote, 174 was all other parties

 

[Bewal Express]

That’s not how parliamentary democracy works. Parliament cannot function without representation from all 330 seats or so in Pakistan. That’s why you see bi-election within 3 months whenever a seat is vacated. Right now the parliament has 130+ vacant seats. The speaker has done an unprecedented thing by reopening the resignations which were already accepted by the previous speaker. If you truly believe in constitution, like you are claiming to, than you should be advocating for election to be called on all 130+ seats based on the spirit of the constitution.

The problem is that is too large a number and will trigger a general election. The parliament as it’s currently running is anything but constitutional. It just has blessings from somewhere else that is keeping it going. The parliament itself does not even have enough power to appoint its own finance minister.

So now [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] has come with a new criteria for holding elections- you have to have resources. So if the mafia say we are bankrupt, no elections

 

[Gayle_Force]

Do you think ECP has the resources do conduct full elections on 130+ seats currently?

Could you plz elaborate the finance minister part

It doesn’t matter about the resources, the ECP is required by the constitution to hold elections on the seats once resignations are accepted. The resources are part of the reasons why if the constitution is followed a general election will be triggered as it would be impossible to run a government when there is an election going on such a large number of seats. Also, if you recall ECP had commented in the SC that they will be in a position to hold elections after October so that excuse even though it’s unconstitutional is no longer valid.

The Finance Minister part, it’s not a secret that Ishaq Dar was the desired FM during the VONC time. It was also well reported during that time that Dar was busy preparing a budget. However, Miftah became the FM on someone else’s wishes. It is now pretty open that many in PDM including Nawaz Sharif, Maryam and even Zardari don’t agree with Miftahs policy decisions. They are just forced to accept it because there are a couple of parties (BAP and MQM) that will break this alliance with one phone call from the boys.

 

[Bewal Express]

PTI members did not vote, 174 was all other parties

And I just explained to you that the MQM said they only voted because they were told the mafia had the PTI members. As this was illegal and the MQM wouldn't have voted for the mafia, your govt is illegal

 

[Bewal Express]

It doesn’t matter about the resources, the ECP is required by the constitution to hold elections on the seats once resignations are accepted. The resources are part of the reasons why if the constitution is followed a general election will be triggered as it would be impossible to run a government when there is an election going on such a large number of seats. Also, if you recall ECP had commented in the SC that they will be in a position to hold elections after October so that excuse even though it’s unconstitutional is no longer valid.

The Finance Minister part, it’s not a secret that Ishaq Dar was the desired FM during the VONC time. It was also well reported during that time that Dar was busy preparing a budget. However, Miftah became the FM on someone else’s wishes. It is now pretty open that many in PDM including Nawaz Sharif, Maryam and even Zardari don’t agree with Miftahs policy decisions. They are just forced to accept it because there are a couple of parties (BAP and MQM) that will break this alliance with one phone call from the boys.

Don't mention the last sentence to Major. [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] were the neutrals neutral? Let's face it, you don't have a leg to stand, your govt is illegal and we know who is making the decisions.

 

[Major]

So now [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] has come with a new criteria for holding elections- you have to have resources. So if the mafia say we are bankrupt, no elections

I understand you dont know how elections are held here. Electoral lists have to be remade, dead people are to be deleted. Elections arn't something that you just tomr and it gets done. There is a reason ECP exists. It is required by law that 2-3 months need to be given to display lists so that people who have moved to other areas can transfer their votes. After they have filed for transfer, even that takes time.

PTI was also required to do a population count which they couldn't so deleminations are now an issue aswell.

 

[Extra_Cover]

That’s not how parliamentary democracy works. Parliament cannot function without representation from all 330 seats or so in Pakistan. That’s why you see bi-election within 3 months whenever a seat is vacated. Right now the parliament has 130+ vacant seats. The speaker has done an unprecedented thing by reopening the resignations which were already accepted by the previous speaker. If you truly believe in constitution, like you are claiming to, than you should be advocating for election to be called on all 130+ seats based on the spirit of the constitution.

The problem is that is too large a number and will trigger a general election. The parliament as it’s currently running is anything but constitutional. It just has blessings from somewhere else that is keeping it going. The parliament itself does not even have enough power to appoint its own finance minister.

I completely agree with your post. The selective view point of PDM is indefensible. The constitution should not be referred if all parameters are not being followed or are being altered to suit your view point.

Firstly, with 1/3 of the Parliament empty its a clear sign that decision making is in selective hands and technically speaking this isn't the best application of the democracy laws.

To add to this we have framed our constitution and parliamentary norms on the back of the British system. Under British laws if a VONC is successful against an elected PM then it is followed by general elections, period. And this makes absolute sense as it shows that the majority in the house is weak and a round of elections should be held so the right mandate party can lead the house. Our system is crooked to the point where shifting alliances mid way is supported and openly flaunted making a mockery of democratic norms.

A speaker taking over from a former speaker has no faith nor respect of the decisions of previous speaker just shows how far we have already fallen in democratic norms. Like it or not what we currently have in the country is not democracy.

 

[Major]

It doesn’t matter about the resources, the ECP is required by the constitution to hold elections on the seats once resignations are accepted. The resources are part of the reasons why if the constitution is followed a general election will be triggered as it would be impossible to run a government when there is an election going on such a large number of seats. Also, if you recall ECP had commented in the SC that they will be in a position to hold elections after October so that excuse even though it’s unconstitutional is no longer valid.

The Finance Minister part, it’s not a secret that Ishaq Dar was the desired FM during the VONC time. It was also well reported during that time that Dar was busy preparing a budget. However, Miftah became the FM on someone else’s wishes. It is now pretty open that many in PDM including Nawaz Sharif, Maryam and even Zardari don’t agree with Miftahs policy decisions. They are just forced to accept it because there are a couple of parties (BAP and MQM) that will break this alliance with one phone call from the boys.

So Miftah, who is known for being PMLN's supporter, is backed by BAP and MQM? Do you think its the right decision to have Miftah as FM or should had been Dar?

ECP is required to conduct by-elections, you are right. But, for large number of seats or even a general election it needs time and resource. By-Elections on more than 120+ seats isn't something ECP would always be ready. Their are LG elections that are also going on aswell.

PTI had a better chance if they went for mora seats being made especially from Karachi or Sindh by getting census done.

 

[Bewal Express]

I understand you dont know how elections are held here. Electoral lists have to be remade, dead people are to be deleted. Elections arn't something that you just tomr and it gets done. There is a reason ECP exists. It is required by law that 2-3 months need to be given to display lists so that people who have moved to other areas can transfer their votes. After they have filed for transfer, even that takes time.

PTI was also required to do a population count which they couldn't so deleminations are now an issue aswell.

Rubbish. They had 3 years to get them ready and if you guys had a 1% chance of winning they would have been held. It shows your dishonesty that you are hiding behind an argument that has no validity in law. You have a habit of running so. Firstly where in law does it say an election can be delayed because of lists or resources.

 

[Bewal Express]

So Miftah, who is known for being PMLN's supporter, is backed by BAP and MQM? Do you think its the right decision to have Miftah as FM or should had been Dar?

ECP is required to conduct by-elections, you are right. But, for large number of seats or even a general election it needs time and resource. By-Elections on more than 120+ seats isn't something ECP would always be ready. Their are LG elections that are also going on aswell.

PTI had a better chance if they went for mora seats being made especially from Karachi or Sindh by getting census done.

Can you tell us under which law the bye elections weren't held? The resignations were accepted by the speaker, so which law please

 

[Gayle_Force]

So Miftah, who is known for being PMLN's supporter, is backed by BAP and MQM? Do you think its the right decision to have Miftah as FM or should had been Dar?

ECP is required to conduct by-elections, you are right. But, for large number of seats or even a general election it needs time and resource. By-Elections on more than 120+ seats isn't something ECP would always be ready. Their are LG elections that are also going on aswell.

PTI had a better chance if they went for mora seats being made especially from Karachi or Sindh by getting census done.

Regarding the ECP part, so you agree your view on constitution is selective? ECP are required by constitution to be ready for election within 3 months anytime it is triggered. If they are not than the chairman should resign.

Regarding the Miftah part, it is as clear as day so I don’t know if your question is genuine or you are just acting ignorant. When Miftah raises petrol prices and Nawaz, Maryam, and Zardari all distance themselves from the decision than what does that tell you?

The Finance Minister should be whomever a full parliament elects without intervention from the boys.

 

[Major]

Rubbish. They had 3 years to get them ready and if you guys had a 1% chance of winning they would have been held. It shows your dishonesty that you are hiding behind an argument that has no validity in law. You have a habit of running so. Firstly where in law does it say an election can be delayed because of lists or resources.

Did they know that election would be held before completion of term? Ecp acts with a 5 year term completing along with care taker coming in.

Besides the chairman of ecp was imrans own.

Also, it was imrans govt job to do census not ecp

 

[Major]

Regarding the ECP part, so you agree your view on constitution is selective? ECP are required by constitution to be ready for election within 3 months anytime it is triggered. If they are not than the chairman should resign.

Regarding the Miftah part, it is as clear as day so I don’t know if your question is genuine or you are just acting ignorant. When Miftah raises petrol prices and Nawaz, Maryam, and Zardari all distance themselves from the decision than what does that tell you?

The Finance Minister should be whomever a full parliament elects without intervention from the boys.

If what you are saying is true than i will believe what you say.

As for the 3 month part, thats when govt completes its 5 year term after which three month care taker govt comes who works with ecp to do election. If govt ends abruptly ecp cant do zilch becusse it takes 3-5 months to fix electoral list. If the govt resigns after two years, ecp cant have immediate elections as electoral lists need to be first displayed where people make corrections to them based on migration.

But its not nawaz or maryam running the govt its shebaz. Miftah is an old businessman and he is well backed by pmln.

 

[Gayle_Force]

If what you are saying is true than i will believe what you say.

As for the 3 month part, thats when govt completes its 5 year term after which three month care taker govt comes who works with ecp to do election. If govt ends abruptly ecp cant do zilch becusse it takes 3-5 months to fix electoral list. If the govt resigns after two years, ecp cant have immediate elections as electoral lists need to be first displayed where people make corrections to them based on migration.

But its not nawaz or maryam running the govt its shebaz. Miftah is an old businessman and he is well backed by pmln.

That’s not how it works because a parliament can be dissolved anytime. For example, a PM has the authority to dissolve it and call election at anytime. The ECP is required by the constitution to be ready for an election within 3 months anytime it is called.

Regarding the Miftah part, I don’t know how much more clear it can be. When Shehbaz takes the entire cabinet to London to meet Nawaz Sharif you know who is the head of the party. Miftah is an unelected PMLN member agreed, but he has received blessings from somewhere else. The recent petrol price fiasco has pretty much brought it in the open. If you chose not to see than I can’t do anything.

 

[Gayle_Force]

I completely agree with your post. The selective view point of PDM is indefensible. The constitution should not be referred if all parameters are not being followed or are being altered to suit your view point.

Firstly, with 1/3 of the Parliament empty its a clear sign that decision making is in selective hands and technically speaking this isn't the best application of the democracy laws.

To add to this we have framed our constitution and parliamentary norms on the back of the British system. Under British laws if a VONC is successful against an elected PM then it is followed by general elections, period. And this makes absolute sense as it shows that the majority in the house is weak and a round of elections should be held so the right mandate party can lead the house. Our system is crooked to the point where shifting alliances mid way is supported and openly flaunted making a mockery of democratic norms.

A speaker taking over from a former speaker has no faith nor respect of the decisions of previous speaker just shows how far we have already fallen in democratic norms. Like it or not what we currently have in the country is not democracy.

Thanks and yes it is pretty clear that what is happening in the country is blatantly unconstitutional but unfortunately most in power the country take a selective view and apply constitution as they see fit to their own advantage.

 

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The ruling coalition called for calm after leaders of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) asked workers and supporters to take to the streets to protest against the possible arrest of former prime minister and party chief Imran Khan.

As PTI supporters continued flocking to Bani Gala, the hometown and current residence of the PTI chief, after he was booked for terrorism, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif continued to spread his message of progress and prosperity.

“Anything deviating from this path” he termed as “anti-people”.


In a less subtle tone, Railway Minister Khawaja Saad Rafique urged all political parties to set their differences aside albeit only temporarily and focus their energy on helping the “millions of Pakistanis suffering from the ravages of floods”.


Minister for Planning and Development Ahsan Iqbal, however, compared the PTI chief with the likes of Hiter, Mir Jafar, Stalin and Mussolini. Calling Imran out for his “hypocrisy”, Ahsan Iqbal mocked Imran for his slogan of “true freedom”.


Expressing his dismay over Imran Khan’s “threats” to Islamabad police officials and a female judge, Interior Minister Rana Sanaullah thrashed Imran for being an “instigator”.


Information Minister Marriyum Aurangzeb also termed Imran a “foreign agent” who she claimed has “become a threat to Pakistan and its security”.

Read PTI supporters flock to Bani Gala as threat of Imran's arrest looms

“By challenging the national institutions and the state writ, they are inciting the people to violence, lawlessness, rebellion and riot,” she added denouncing him for wanting “civil war in the country”.


Another Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leader Hina Parvez Butt also called Imran Khan out for first “threatening the judges and then going to them for pre-arrest bails”

She also appeared to be supporting rumours floating on social media that Imran Khan had fled his residence in Bani Gala and mocked PTI supporters for being “naïve” enough to be “guarding the palace” without him.

Meanwhile, estranged PTI founding member and Akbar S Babar also supported the rival party's criticism of Imran Khan.

He condemned the party for "threatening government officials" but simultaneously took a jab at the government over its inaction out of "political compulsions".

IHC grants pre-arrest bail

Meanwhile, PTI chief Imran Khan was granted a pre-arrest bail till August 25 by the Islamabad High Court (IHC) after being booked under terrorism charges.

The bail plea was heard by Justice Mohsin Akthar Kayani and Justice Babar Sattar, who approved the bail and ordered him to approach the Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) within these three days.

Read More PTI to challenge ban on live telecast of Imran’s speeches

Imran’s counsel, Babar Awan and Faisal Chaudhry, argued that the PTI chief should be granted protective bail as he wanted to appear before the ATC, but his house was “surrounded by the police”.

They further feared that the police personnel could arrest Imran if he appeared in court without a protective bail.

 

[Bewal Express]

Did they know that election would be held before completion of term? Ecp acts with a 5 year term completing along with care taker coming in.

Besides the chairman of ecp was imrans own.

Also, it was imrans govt job to do census not ecp

No it doesn't. Show me under which law they have delayed elections. They don't decide the election cycle, they hold elections within 90 days.

 

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NO CHANCE OF MARTIAL LAW IN PAKISTAN: PRESIDENT ALVI

President Arif Alvi on Wednesday said that the country has matured as a democracy and there is no chance of martial law in Pakistan, ARY News reported.

Speaking on ARY News programme ‘The Reporters’, the President hailed Pakistan Army’s decision to remain apolitical and said the decision will help enhance its prestige in the long term.

Regarding the appointment of new Chief of Army Staff (COAS), President Alvi said that the matters were resolved amicably. “My thinking in this regard was that a consultation should be held with every stakeholder,” he said, adding that he paid a visit to Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan when the summary arrived.

He also hailed the ‘tradition’ to meet new Chief of Army Staff (COAS) before signature on the summary. He also ruled out possibility of martial law in Pakistan, noting that democracy has now become stable.

The president said that when consultations about the appointment of army chief can take place in London then there was no harm in taking advice from people in the country.

President Alvi also expressed concern over the rising terrorist activities in Pakistan, reaffirming that Pakistan Army was fully capable of controlling terrorism.

Speaking on the current political situation, the President pointed out a ‘state of nervousness’ at the moment, noting that negotiation was the key to lower political temperature.

President Alvi maintained that the people should also have confidence in the government. “The people have the right to believe that the government belongs to their mandate,” he said, reiterating that immediate elections were the only solution for people’s trust.

Meanwhile, the President said that Imran Khan should not have left the National Assembly. However, he added that the move increased his popularity. “If he [Imran] had asked me, I would have suggested not leaving the national assembly,” he said.

Talking about the meeting with Finance Minister Ishaq Dar, President Alvi said Dar also has a positive attitude towards dialogue. He added Dar gave different suggestions about the imports whereas he also proposed measures to save electricity.

ARY

 

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GHQ EXCUSES ITSELF FROM PROVIDING SECURITY IN PUNJAB, KP ELECTIONS

The Pakistan Army have excused itself from providing security for the by-elections in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) and Punjab, ARY News reported on Thursday.

Through a letter, the Ministry of Interior on Thursday informed the Election Commission of Pakistan about the response of the General Headquarters (GHQ) regarding the deployment of Army and Rangers outside the polling stations.

The letter mentioned the recent suicide attack on Peshawar police line mosque. Security forces are busy in the operations against the terrorists as the country’s security situation is alarming at this point.

The outlawed terrorist organizations have openly threatened to attack political parties and there is a chance of possible terrorist attack during the by-elections.

The letter further stated that the army is busy with census and providing security for provincial general elections and by-elections on 64 constituencies.

However, Ranger’s Quick Response Force (QRF) can be provided for by-elections in Rajanpur.

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https://arynews.tv/ghq-excuses-itself-from-providing-security-in-punjab-kp-elections/

 

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Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) chief Sirajul Haq has said that the tussle between the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) and the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) could result in imposition of martial law in the country.

“The incumbent PDM government has become a burden on the nation,” the JI chief said while addressing the media here on Friday.

Proposing nationwide elections, Siraj condemned the government's attempts to suppress protests, saying: “Peaceful demonstrations are the constitutional right of every political party.”

He said, “The government and the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) are violating the Constitution and the orders of the Supreme Court by running away from elections.”

Siraj said that the caretaker Punjab government was a part of the PDM.

“It seems from their [the caretaker government’s] statements that they will stay for a long time. I want to make it clear that this country has come into existence through a democratic process and can only be sustained through democratic action,” he said, adding that unconstitutional measures should be avoided.

Warning of grave consequences, he announced that he would resist those who “undermine the Constitution”.

Pointing out the duplicity of the ruling alliance, the JI chief said that the same parties, including the PPP and the PML-N, had been protesting against inflation before coming to power.

“Free wheat flour lines are selling deaths,” Siraj said, adding that five poor people had already been martyred in the race to collect the basic necessity.

Siraj levelled allegations that these parties, including PPP, PML-N and PTI were not willing to leave their protocols, perks, luxury cars and mansions.

They were even unwilling to make sacrifices for the people, whose pain these corrupt feudal lords and corrupt capitalists claimed to feel, even though they had billions of dollars in overseas assets.

He demanded that the political matters be solved in parliament instead of dragging them in courts.

They said that they had presented a revolutionary manifesto and had also started a door-to-door election campaign from March 23.

“Had the courts been fulfilling their responsibilities, the situation would not have been like this,” Siraj said, blaming the judiciary for the ongoing turmoil.

He condemned the government's use of force against the PTI rallies, saying that peaceful processions were the constitutional right of every political party.

He questioned the feasibility of a bloated 85-member cabinet in a country facing economic crises.

He demanded the release of Gwadar's Maulana Hidayatur Rahman, saying he was imprisoned in false cases.

Express Tribune

 

[Bewal Express]

Nothing secret about it. They have imposed a soft Martial law on PK. People have been killed, tortured, and locked against Court orders, judges have been threatened for not following Munirs orders.

 

[Bewal Express]

GHQ EXCUSES ITSELF FROM PROVIDING SECURITY IN PUNJAB, KP ELECTIONS

The Pakistan Army have excused itself from providing security for the by-elections in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) and Punjab, ARY News reported on Thursday.

Through a letter, the Ministry of Interior on Thursday informed the Election Commission of Pakistan about the response of the General Headquarters (GHQ) regarding the deployment of Army and Rangers outside the polling stations.

The letter mentioned the recent suicide attack on Peshawar police line mosque. Security forces are busy in the operations against the terrorists as the country’s security situation is alarming at this point.

The outlawed terrorist organizations have openly threatened to attack political parties and there is a chance of possible terrorist attack during the by-elections.

The letter further stated that the army is busy with census and providing security for provincial general elections and by-elections on 64 constituencies.

However, Ranger’s Quick Response Force (QRF) can be provided for by-elections in Rajanpur.

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https://arynews.tv/ghq-excuses-itself-from-providing-security-in-punjab-kp-elections/

If that is the case COAS should resign

 

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Crisis deep enough to attract military takeover, Abbasi warns

Former prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi has warned that the current economic and political crisis has all the makings of attracting a military takeover, adding that the army intervened in the past in much less severe circumstances as he urged the top stakeholders to initiate a dialogue.

Speaking on Dawn News English show ‘Spotlight’, the PML-N leader made it clear that martial law always remained a possibility if the system failed or when there was a conflict between institutions and the political leadership was unable to chart a way forward.

“Pakistan has had many long periods of martial law in very similar situations,” he said. “In fact, I would say Pakistan has never witnessed a [more] severe economic and political situation before. In much less severe circumstances the military has taken over.”

Abbasi warned of anarchy if friction within the society and institutions became too deep, adding that such a situation could also see the army step in.

“It has happened in many countries,” he said. “When the political and constitutional system fails, extra-constitutional [measures] take place.”

The PML-N leader, however, hoped that the military was not considering the option of imposing martial law. “I don’t think they are considering that but when they are left with no choice, the old famous speeches of ‘meray aziz ham watno’ (a phrase synonymous with military takeovers) are heard.”

He clarified that if the army were to take over, it would make things worse instead of doing any good.

DAWN

 

[Bewal Express]

Crisis deep enough to attract military takeover, Abbasi warns

Former prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi has warned that the current economic and political crisis has all the makings of attracting a military takeover, adding that the army intervened in the past in much less severe circumstances as he urged the top stakeholders to initiate a dialogue.

Speaking on Dawn News English show ‘Spotlight’, the PML-N leader made it clear that martial law always remained a possibility if the system failed or when there was a conflict between institutions and the political leadership was unable to chart a way forward.

“Pakistan has had many long periods of martial law in very similar situations,” he said. “In fact, I would say Pakistan has never witnessed a [more] severe economic and political situation before. In much less severe circumstances the military has taken over.”

Abbasi warned of anarchy if friction within the society and institutions became too deep, adding that such a situation could also see the army step in.

“It has happened in many countries,” he said. “When the political and constitutional system fails, extra-constitutional [measures] take place.”

The PML-N leader, however, hoped that the military was not considering the option of imposing martial law. “I don’t think they are considering that but when they are left with no choice, the old famous speeches of ‘meray aziz ham watno’ (a phrase synonymous with military takeovers) are heard.”

He clarified that if the army were to take over, it would make things worse instead of doing any good.

DAWN

According to Billo and the Nooras,the CJP shouldn't enforce the constitution and if he does, we will martial law. Let the Generals show their hand, it's not as if we aren't under a soft coup anyway. Every part of the mafia nexus stands exposed-from the puppet dynasties to a corrupt Judiciary, to a corrupt media and a bureaucracy all happy to sell it self, and off course not forgetting the evil, destructive Generals. All are exposed and in this day and age, no one will forgive or forget

 

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DG ISPR SAYS ‘NO CHANCE OF MARTIAL LAW IN PAKISTAN’

Director General Inter-Services Public Relations (DG-ISPR) Major General Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry has ruled out the possibility of martial law in Pakistan.

While talking to a private news channel, DG ISPR Major General Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry said that the armed forces stand united despite internal and external propaganda. “There is no chance of martial law in Pakistan.”

The military leadership including the Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Asim Munir believes in democracy and Pakistan Army stands united under the leadership of the army chief, he said.

“No one has tendered resignation in the armed forces,” the spokesperson of the military’s media wing added. The DG ISPR rejected the baseless rumours of martial law in the country.

On May 10, Pakistan Army pledged a ‘strong response’ if further attacks on military and state installations are carried out by miscreants, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) reacted to violent protests after PTI chief Imran Khan’s arrest.

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