The pessimism of Indian fans - Is it fake?

[Bhaijaan]

I for one simply cannot understand all the negative talk and pessimism surrounding Indian cricket team from our fans right now.

They were making it seem like we are some mid tier team out there with no hopes.

This is completely stupid.

Never in our history have we gone into a tournament with a bowling considered by most neutrals as among the best in the world or arguably the best.

2 of our top 4 batsmen are by far best in the world for last 5 years.

Pandya is one of the best in his batting position and role.

We have arguably the strongest bench strength. How many teams out there would be cool with as many as 3 injuries during the tournament and have ready replacements of the caliber of Shami, Pant, Mayank, DK, Jadeja?

There is talent in young Pant and Rahul which will come off soon.

As old and out of touch Dhoni is, as a wicket keeper batsman he’s still definitely not among the worst in this cup. I bet most people can’t even name all wicket keeper batsmen playing in this cup.

So why all this negativity ?

With all this talent, with all the investments made, this should be India’s moment. Anything less than a cup would be a let down. Even if are runner ups it would mean nothing.

This team is a serious contender and they would start off favourites against literally every team in this tournament except maybe England due to their home advantage, even in that case historically India punches harder than England in big games.

Learn to appreciate what you have.

If this is anti jinx stuff please grow up

 

[jaisan]

Our bowling is the best alright. But it can have bad day like the England match. But our batting definetly our worst since 2003

 

[munaf4u]

We only have 2 proper batsman. Rest all r passengers. If this 2 fails than the game over.
Luckily for us they r contributing in every game.
To make things simple bring mayank as opener n rahul at 4 which will give some stability n fire power.

 

[CricFan2012]

Seems real and confusing.

The only slightly reasonable deduction is the 'expect for the worst and hope for the best mantra' which I also use in life, if it helps you be a better cricket fan in your own mind and gives you peace then so be it.

Indian cricket fans have their best ODI outfit ever, which almost rivals the Aussies of 2000s or will reach that point in the coming years.

Cricketers in the top 10 of batting, bowling, all rounders, Kohli and Sharma 1 and 2 respectively, Bumrah being the number 1 bowler in the world, what more can an Indian fan want? can't have your whole team in top 10 realistically.

Every single team has weaknesses, and the funny thing is that Indians wouldn't be pointing at their weaker middle order if Kohli, Sharma and Dhawan didn't exist, they just make everyone else look small, not the middle orders fault.

Some teams would kill for a player like Dhoni, who is a great failsafe in case of a collapse or tricky pitch, and the best keeper in the world by some margin, although he still warrants criticism because of his 80s style of batting doesn't fit with the current Indian style of imposing 300+ totals.

Be proud of your team, reaching semi finals in so many events in this decade is no easy feat, and winning two of them to boot, potentially a third.

 

[Chennai_cricket_fan]

IMHO, the pessimism stems from the fact that we Indian fans are simply not used to our team showing a weakness in batting. Indian cricket has always been about great batting lineups and this team while it has great batsmen in Sharma and Kohli , the batting cannot be compared to the sehwag,sachin,dravid,ganguly and laxman lineup.

However we forget that the team has one ingredient which Indian teams never had in the past. These guys truly believe that they can win a match from any situation. And I believe that is much more important once the knockout phase starts

 

[Savak]

Law of averages will eventually catch up. Rohit and Kohli are eventually going to be dismissed early and that is where the Indian batting line up will be exposed.

 

[KP From India]

You need not to be permisic but a glass half full doesnt change the fact that it contains 50% water it wont be less wont be more if we change our views.
I agree it's definitely not a mid tier team, we have a very good bowling attack and top order batting but MIDDLE/LOWER ORDER CANT BUY RUNS IN PRESSURE SITUATIONS.
Even MS would have felt helpless after coming to pavillion scoring 35(32).Can we trust Jadhavs/Karthiks in crunch chasing or even setting above par scores.
The reality is bitter.We should have found at least 2 middle order batsmen since last 2 years, taken them to Eng tour in 3 odi series last year. They had played 40-50 matches till now.
If you were not to select Rayudu, then why in the world you played him 50 odd matches last 2 years, why is DK there suddenly? Why is KL rahul so defensive against avg bowling attacks?
This team lacks grit and killing instincts of Aus, Skill levels of Eng and tactical shrewdness of Nz.
If Eng/Aus had bad day in semis/finals and Kohali/Rohit can replicate Sanath/Aravinda, then we have around 10-15% chance.

 

[Chennai_cricket_fan]

You need not to be permisic but a glass half full doesnt change the fact that it contains 50% water it wont be less wont be more if we change our views.
I agree it's definitely not a mid tier team, we have a very good bowling attack and top order batting but MIDDLE/LOWER ORDER CANT BUY RUNS IN PRESSURE SITUATIONS.
Even MS would have felt helpless after coming to pavillion scoring 35(32).Can we trust Jadhavs/Karthiks in crunch chasing or even setting above par scores.
The reality is bitter.We should have found at least 2 middle order batsmen since last 2 years, taken them to Eng tour in 3 odi series last year. They had played 40-50 matches till now.
If you were not to select Rayudu, then why in the world you played him 50 odd matches last 2 years, why is DK there suddenly? Why is KL rahul so defensive against avg bowling attacks?
This team lacks grit and killing instincts of Aus, Skill levels of Eng and tactical shrewdness of Nz.
If Eng/Aus had bad day in semis/finals and Kohali/Rohit can replicate Sanath/Aravinda, then we have around 10-15% chance.

Now this is way too pessimistic. If you noted yesterday even the famed English lower order could not score runs. For the start they got, they should have made 360 but ended up with only 300. This is because of the nature of the wickets in England now that the summe ris in full flow, which start slowing down as the innings progresses and the ball doesn't come on to the bat. So most of the runs have to be made in the first 30 overs.

IMO, Pant and Pandya should be among the best strikers of the ball towards the end of the innings. MSD can now be expected to anchor one end. And for all the criticism, KL Rahul has actually done reasonably well.

 

[sharmaji]

Because we are playing with just 2 batsmen. If Rohit or Virat fail to make a big score, there is no Plan B. It is a glaring weakness which no other team has, even the ones that didn't qualify for the semis. Our bowling is fantastic though, one of the best in the tournament. Dhawan's exit was a massive blow.

 

[Kaptain]

I don't think it's pessimism but Indian fans expect our team to be as dominant as the WI in the 80's and the Aussies in the 00's.

When you have such expectations for your team, relatively small flaws are judged harshly and hence it looks like Indian fans are complaining all the time.

 

[RajBan]

I for one simply cannot understand all the negative talk and pessimism surrounding Indian cricket team from our fans right now.

They were making it seem like we are some mid tier team out there with no hopes.

This is completely stupid.

Never in our history have we gone into a tournament with a bowling considered by most neutrals as among the best in the world or arguably the best.

2 of our top 4 batsmen are by far best in the world for last 5 years.

Pandya is one of the best in his batting position and role.

We have arguably the strongest bench strength. How many teams out there would be cool with as many as 3 injuries during the tournament and have ready replacements of the caliber of Shami, Pant, Mayank, DK, Jadeja?

There is talent in young Pant and Rahul which will come off soon.

As old and out of touch Dhoni is, as a wicket keeper batsman he’s still definitely not among the worst in this cup. I bet most people can’t even name all wicket keeper batsmen playing in this cup.

So why all this negativity ?

With all this talent, with all the investments made, this should be India’s moment. Anything less than a cup would be a let down. Even if are runner ups it would mean nothing.

This team is a serious contender and they would start off favourites against literally every team in this tournament except maybe England due to their home advantage, even in that case historically India punches harder than England in big games.

Learn to appreciate what you have.

If this is anti jinx stuff please grow up

Captaincy and team management is weak link. The bench strength that you refer to is not part of the squad. They are playing A games , it's a different thing that injuries to Dhawan and Shankar got couple of them included midway.

We still do not make the most of resources that we have. See what Bangladesh has achieved by creating a team and not just depending on individual contributors.

Bottom line there is ample space for improvement. Nothing negative about it.

 

[RajBan]

Because we are playing with just 2 batsmen. If Rohit or Virat fail to make a big score, there is no Plan B. It is a glaring weakness which no other team has, even the ones that didn't qualify for the semis. Our bowling is fantastic though, one of the best in the tournament. Dhawan's exit was a massive blow.

We used to have Sachin, Sehwag, Saurav, Rahul, Yuvraj, Dhoni 1.0 as our line up at one point. The difference with current batting line up in playing 11 is simply mind-blowing. The bowling is better today but the bowling back then was not very bad and they used to face much stiffer opponents then. Batting lineup of Australia, South Africa was very strong while Sri Lanka and Pakistan was very good back then which made it a very competitive environment.

 

[jagatk]

How is it fake? We have 2 batsmen yes they are world class but the others basically cancel them out. We have 2 tuk tuks who take great pride in forcing the batsman on the other end to take unnecessary risk and get them out. We have no bowler who can slog well.

 

[Ab Fan]

There is a reason behind the pessimism.

Indian team had the potential to field a 15-man squad who could very well have gone on to become the favourites for this World Cup and would have been considered the undisputed top team in the world.

However, poor team management and poor utilization of resources meant we are at the same level as England and Australia as a top team for World Cup.

Post the 2015 WC debacle, look how England changed the team, how the management went with the requirement of the format and through hard work, they transformed from a weak low ranked team to a top team, seen as favourites for this WC. Look how Australia after the whole Warner/Smith fiasco have made a comeback and turned around things. The likes of Finch/Khwaja have come good and Starc and Cummins have set the world on fire anyways in this big tournament.

In contrast, what India did. They kept on playing non-reliable bits and pieces oldies like Rayudu, Jadhav and Vijay Shankar and neither of them have been of any utility in this World Cup. So many matches were wasted on Rayudu only to not pick him in the XV man squad? So many matches given to Jadhav between 2016-2019 and how much we are utilizing him in this World Cup,really? Same goes for Karthik. What was the point of all this?

In contrast, if India had given Rishabh Pant this much chance, he would have some experience going in the WC and he won't have felt the heat he did in England game in such a big tournament all so quickly. His game also compliments well to Dhoni's game.

India's strength in past has always been batting but this was weakened by poor management strategy, relying completely on two men, who have fortunately done well with the bat. The pros was that this was the best bowling attack India ever had. If the batting wasn't weekend, we would have been the undisputed favourites for this World Cup.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

As the posters above me have put it beautifully, the pessimism stems from the expectation that India should win the WC and we haven't given ourselves the best chance due to some atrocious planning.

Imagine if Rohit Sharma's 4 dropped catches were caught.

Just imagine what would hve happened to our WC campaign.

Enuf said.

 

[Manager101]

It's an anti-jinx formula.

 

[MP2011]

However, poor team management and poor utilization of resources meant we are at the same level as England and Australia as a top team for World Cup.

These are the key words, poor utilization of resources. We had so much time and resources to prepare for this WC and this is what we've managed. A beyond joke of a middle order, no planning for if 1/3 of our top order gets injured, playing DK in a WC, one of the biggest duds ever.

Speaking on DK, if this guy couldn't play a single WC game in the last 3 editions of WC when he was younger and perhaps better, what made our genius think tank 'think' that he is good enough to play in this WC?

How come Dhoni wasn't dropped despite repeated poor performances is beyond me! That series win in Australia earlier this year was our bane.

 

[KP From India]

Agreed.
We had chance since 2017.Even average player performs better with experience and chances.
If you have given Rayudu 50 matches, give him 10 more in WC, if you are using Jadhav as utility, why not use him in simillar manner in WCs.
How many Odis DK has played to suddenly get selected?
What was the role of Shankar in the team who hardly had played any Odis?
Cant you get one good opener incase either Rohit/Shikhar gets injured?

 

[happydavy]

If u think that one of Rohit or Kohli doesn't score a century and we still would have any chance of victory then perhaps you are being very optimistic. So the pessimism is around the chances of one of them scoring a century in semi finals.

 

[satheesh]

no fake ... even more so because a lot depends on toss... and our batting lineup is lot dependent on Kohli & Sharma

 

[DeadlyYorker]

no fake ... even more so because a lot depends on toss... and our batting lineup is lot dependent on Kohli & Sharma

Yes as if aus without warner and smith ,and eng without bairstow and roy and nz without taylor and willy can even score 200

 

[DeadlyYorker]

Agreed.
We had chance since 2017.Even average player performs better with experience and chances.
If you have given Rayudu 50 matches, give him 10 more in WC, if you are using Jadhav as utility, why not use him in simillar manner in WCs.
How many Odis DK has played to suddenly get selected?
What was the role of Shankar in the team who hardly had played any Odis?
Cant you get one good opener incase either Rohit/Shikhar gets injured?

They have ignored shaw like he doesnt even exist

 

[Madplayer]

Indian fans keep crying for no reason.

Its either insecurity or simply superstition to protect their team from evil eye

 

[Dead Ball]

There is yet to be one match in the WC where both Sharma and Kohli have failed.

Once that happens (I hope not) , you will all see why we are so pessimistic about our middle order.

 

[Sami92]

Batting largely depends on Kohli & Rohit. Bumrah is a trump card in bowling to win matches. I rate Hardik Pandya highly also.

 

[xbronze]

because we are playing with just 2 batsmen. If rohit or virat fail to make a big score, there is no plan b. It is a glaring weakness which no other team has, even the ones that didn't qualify for the semis. Our bowling is fantastic though, one of the best in the tournament. Dhawan's exit was a massive blow.

this. 100%

 

[xbronze]

Indian fans keep crying for no reason.

Its either insecurity or simply superstition to protect their team from evil eye

Crying for no reason? You do realize that India batting relies on two batsmen - Sharma and Kohli. Fortunately one of them has fired in every match this World Cup. What happens when both get out in single digits in one of the remaining matches? Both you and I know the answer. And so do all India fans.

Hence the pessimism. Add to that the fact that the law of averages is about to catch up with the fact that Sharm and Kohli have not both flopped in the same innings this World Cup. Then you will understand the nervousness in the Indian cricket fandom.

 

[barah_admi]

I for one simply cannot understand all the negative talk and pessimism surrounding Indian cricket team from our fans right now.

They were making it seem like we are some mid tier team out there with no hopes.

This is completely stupid.

Never in our history have we gone into a tournament with a bowling considered by most neutrals as among the best in the world or arguably the best.

2 of our top 4 batsmen are by far best in the world for last 5 years.

Pandya is one of the best in his batting position and role.

We have arguably the strongest bench strength. How many teams out there would be cool with as many as 3 injuries during the tournament and have ready replacements of the caliber of Shami, Pant, Mayank, DK, Jadeja?

There is talent in young Pant and Rahul which will come off soon.

As old and out of touch Dhoni is, as a wicket keeper batsman he’s still definitely not among the worst in this cup. I bet most people can’t even name all wicket keeper batsmen playing in this cup.

So why all this negativity ?

With all this talent, with all the investments made, this should be India’s moment. Anything less than a cup would be a let down. Even if are runner ups it would mean nothing.

This team is a serious contender and they would start off favourites against literally every team in this tournament except maybe England due to their home advantage, even in that case historically India punches harder than England in big games.

Learn to appreciate what you have.

If this is anti jinx stuff please grow up

There's pessimism and then there's your post. The Indian bowling line up has not shown itself to be the best in the world (Aus and NZ have far outstripped them here).

The batting does not contain two of the best ODI batsmen in the world....because I assume the second is Sharma in your opinion and I would pick Roy, Buttler, Bairstow, Warner, Root, Williamson and Babar before him.

The reality is, it is a very good team but not one that is a juggernaut like you want to describe it as (Pant, Mayank, Jadeja being described as some untouchable bench haha).

I think India will beat NZ and Aus but they can't beat England at this stage. They are second best.

 

[JattMaula]

Pessimism is real.

We played to our potential and still aren't looking like a WC winning team.

Team doesn't look like it really really wants to win. They are going lose the SF.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pessimism is real.

We played to our potential and still aren't looking like a WC winning team.

Team doesn't look like it really really wants to win. They are going lose the SF.

Who else has looked like a World Cup winner the next if not India or more than India?

Aussies who we crushed and barely went past Pakistan? Do they not rely too much on starts from Finch and Warner?

Or England who lost 3 matches already?

Come on mate, India’s been the best team f the tournament. Only match hey lost already has allegations of they not trying so basically most people think had India tried they would have beaten England.

What’s the problem with Indian team.

Few teams are perfect:


Looking back Aussies had their issues in all their World Cup campaigns except maybe 2007

 

[mystical man]

We used to have Sachin, Sehwag, Saurav, Rahul, Yuvraj, Dhoni 1.0 as our line up at one point. The difference with current batting line up in playing 11 is simply mind-blowing. The bowling is better today but the bowling back then was not very bad and they used to face much stiffer opponents then. Batting lineup of Australia, South Africa was very strong while Sri Lanka and Pakistan was very good back then which made it a very competitive environment.

Dravid was never an ODI great along with Laxman but yes we are missing the services of a player like Yuvi but other than that kohli, sharma and even dhawan are head and shoulders above anyone we have produced in the past.

 

[Surya Kiran]

Expectations are sometimes unreal and cricketers are also are human beings bound to make mistakes. After 2007 WC flop show, Team India has only lost 3 matches until now in 2011, 2015 & 2019 World cups.

Hope Indian team performs well in the final stages of this tournament and in the near future

 

[JattMaula]

Expectations are sometimes unreal and cricketers are also are human beings bound to make mistakes. After 2007 WC flop show, Team India has only lost 3 matches until now in 2011, 2015 & 2019 World cups.

Hope Indian team performs well in the final stages of this tournament and in the near future

We have the most resources at our disposal. We should do better.

 

[Surya Kiran]

We have the most resources at our disposal. We should do better.

Agreed but larger resources don't necessarily mean quality resources. We need to find a way to limit the number of teams at the highest level of domestic cricket

 

[Bhaijaan]

If India loses the semi final how many Indians are gonna say alright mate we didn’t have the team to be champions and go home quietly?

I really doubt there will be many.

In fact just let this team lose in the KOs and see all hell breaking loose.

The anti jinx stuff is getting very embarrassing.

Show some guts.

 

[JattMaula]

Agreed but larger resources don't necessarily mean quality resources. We need to find a way to limit the number of teams at the highest level of domestic cricket

Promotion-demotion system in Ranji and other domestic tournaments? We already have tier system.

 

[Surya Kiran]

If India loses the semi final how many Indians are gonna say alright mate we didn’t have the team to be champions and go home quietly?

I really doubt there will be many.

In fact just let this team lose in the KOs and see all hell breaking loose.

The anti jinx stuff is getting very embarrassing.

Show some guts.

If they give the best and lose, then it must be taken on chin and move on.

Nothing more the board or administrators could have done in terms of preparation and planning for this event, They left no stone unturned with shadow, "A" tours.

 

[JattMaula]

If India loses the semi final how many Indians are gonna say alright mate we didn’t have the team to be champions and go home quietly?

I really doubt there will be many.

In fact just let this team lose in the KOs and see all hell breaking loose.

The anti jinx stuff is getting very embarrassing.

Show some guts.

We don't have champion team. We have failed to introduce a decent middle order in playing 11 leave alone the 15 man squad and their backups.

 

[leatherface58]

They are arguably the best in the world. They have flaws but which team doesn't? The Indian fans seem to think if they are optimistic about their team or celebrate its success, the team will start getting whitewashed everywhere. It breeds a weird toxic, negative culture.

 

[satheesh]

Yes as if aus without warner and smith ,and eng without bairstow and roy and nz without taylor and willy can even score 200

those teams baring perhaps NZL are far lesser dependent on their main 2 batsmen. Take ENG ,they still have Root,Buttler,Morgan & Stokes .Comapre their performances to that of Indian middle order.
AUS have Khwaja,Maxwell too. Again the most importan factor is 'toss'.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Even Dhoni would have a lot of takers among other teams.

Also Dhoni is Dhoni.

You just never know what he can pull off in the KOs. Honestly a lot of Indians are still secretly anticipating a Dhoni special in the KOs. This is exactly why he has been taken to the World Cup.

Dhoni was never going to have a 500 run World Cup.

He’s a pressure match specialist and r is exactly why he’s been taken to the World Cup.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Indian fans should demand more.

The biggest population with the most resources in a sport played by so few nations.

And when you had all the time to blood in the likes of Pant, Gill, Iyer, Shaw in the lead up to the world cup but persisted with Rayadu, Rahane, Jadhav, washed up Yuvi and Dhoni instead.


India should be winning at least half the WCs at this point to give justice to their resources.

 

[Mamoon]

Indian fans are spoiled because they are used to very high standards. You would think their team is Pakistan level considering how critical they tend to be.

On the other hand, our fans have be so used to mediocrity that they won’t thumping their chests if Pakistan becomes 50% of what India is today.

 

[KP From India]

Aus of 2000s didnt become so by thinking emotionally, they removed Steve Waugh.And here we are, after 8 matches we are thinking MS may bat @ SR of 130 in the knockouts.
Our players are soft and management more softer cant take tough decisions if we see a clear loophole then what they are doing since 2 years.
Honestly tell me if Dhoni/Jadhav/Karthik come to bat when 65 off 40 required in SF/Final, can we expect them to finish the job?
If our aim is just to be better than other teams and not to excel in every department specially in which we are lacking then so be it.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Aus of 2000s didnt become so by thinking emotionally, they removed Steve Waugh.And here we are, after 8 matches we are thinking MS may bat @ SR of 130 in the knockouts.
Our players are soft and management more softer cant take tough decisions if we see a clear loophole then what they are doing since 2 years.
Honestly tell me if Dhoni/Jadhav/Karthik come to bat when 65 off 40 required in SF/Final, can we expect them to finish the job?
If our aim is just to be better than other teams and not to excel in every department specially in which we are lacking then so be it.

Lol Steve Waugh is a nobody in ODI cricket.

Dhoni is among the 5 greatest

 

[RajBan]

Dravid was never an ODI great along with Laxman but yes we are missing the services of a player like Yuvi but other than that kohli, sharma and even dhawan are head and shoulders above anyone we have produced in the past.

That's not true. Other than Kohli I don't expect anybody in the current lineup to consistently deliver against 1995 - 2005 bowling lineup of Australia, South Africa and even to an extent Pakistan. Rohit won't be this consistent in early 2000s where the pitches were different and matches were far more competitive. You can see his Test record for reference.

Rahul D has 10000+ ODI runs and I will take him any day over talents like KL Rahul, Ambati Rayudu, Kedar Jadhav, Shankar, Karthik.

Laxman was not great ODI player (was decent) but then again I may still keep him ahead of the current crop. At least he won't choke against spin that I can assure you.

 

[RajBan]

Even Dhoni would have a lot of takers among other teams.

Also Dhoni is Dhoni.

You just never know what he can pull off in the KOs. Honestly a lot of Indians are still secretly anticipating a Dhoni special in the KOs. This is exactly why he has been taken to the World Cup.

Dhoni was never going to have a 500 run World Cup.

He’s a pressure match specialist and r is exactly why he’s been taken to the World Cup.

Aapke muh mein ghee shakkar. As much as I don't like his selection, it is a fact Kohli is clueless without Dhoni and DK is a perennial under performer in India team. And it will be great if he signs of with couple of performances in winning cause. He has nothing to lose in KO, no more percentage cricket is required there.

 

[Surya Kiran]

Promotion-demotion system in Ranji and other domestic tournaments? We already have tier system.

But it is simply not working, our Ranji structure is similar to County cricket but even more number of teams.

Both England and India are trying to pick the brightest lot and giving them exposure via "Lions" and "A" tours respectively. There is more quantity than quality. More than 2000 matches to be played this season at all levels and with only three senior selectors for Men's team...very tough job

 

[Technics 1210]

It's not fake, it's compensation psychology.

 

[KP From India]

That nobody Steve Waugh won them 1999 WC with century against SA attack in league game.
Was instrumental in 1987. WC win in subcontinent.Defended 7 runs in crutial game.
In 325 matches, this nobody scored around 8000 runs and picked 195 wickets.Used to play as an A/R in first 10 years.

 

[satheesh]

Indian fans keep crying for no reason.

Its either insecurity or simply superstition to protect their team from evil eye

no insecurity or superstition ... it is just because of 2 things ....' the results are very largely toss dependent', 2. 'no Dhawan & hence extra pressure on Kohli & Sharma who are the only 2 who can play big inns in a huge target chase'.

 

[mystical man]

That's not true. Other than Kohli I don't expect anybody in the current lineup to consistently deliver against 1995 - 2005 bowling lineup of Australia, South Africa and even to an extent Pakistan. Rohit won't be this consistent in early 2000s where the pitches were different and matches were far more competitive. You can see his Test record for reference.

Rahul D has 10000+ ODI runs and I will take him any day over talents like KL Rahul, Ambati Rayudu, Kedar Jadhav, Shankar, Karthik.

Laxman was not great ODI player (was decent) but then again I may still keep him ahead of the current crop. At least he won't choke against spin that I can assure you.

Well you are entitled to your own opinion but all cricketing pundits would agree that neither Rahul nor VVS had that X-factor in them to cross the line for the shorter version of the game like Pujars. Rayudu is gone and shankar got injured being replaced by Pant who will turn into a great match winner...

 

[RajBan]

That nobody Steve Waugh won them 1999 WC with century against SA attack in league game.
Was instrumental in 1987. WC win in subcontinent.Defended 7 runs in crutial game.
In 325 matches, this nobody scored around 8000 runs and picked 195 wickets.Used to play as an A/R in first 10 years.

Until and unless people have seen Waugh play, they won't know his legacy. You won't be able to debate with this generation and they will always rate Dhoni higher than Waugh or any great from the pre 20005s era. Remember ignorance is bliss and a formidable strength in debate and discussion. There is no space of logic when that happens. And that too when Dhoni is one of the protagonists.

That never die spirit when entire world thought Klusener won it for SA but Australia believed in the unthinkable . That is what Steve Waugh exemplifies.

 

[RajBan]

Well you are entitled to your own opinion but all cricketing pundits would agree that neither Rahul nor VVS had that X-factor in them to cross the line for the shorter version of the game like Pujars. Rayudu is gone and shankar got injured being replaced by Pant who will turn into a great match winner...

Just that Pant is a could be item currently and he has not achieved much. Not that he won't but you can't claim till he accomplish a fair amount. You do need to back him though to see if he flourishes.

And yes I stand by my opinion just like you want to stand by yours.

Will remember the following for sometime.
Waugh is a nobody infront of Dhoni and Pant is already better than Dravid.

 

[KP From India]

Exactly. And my point was if Aus selecters can drop Steve Waugh after failed few matches then why BCCI can tolerate a player for 4 years who cant rotate the strike. As always bhaijaan ignored.

 

[RajBan]

That's why they are fans. Don't put a logical argument, just stick to what you believe as nobody can take that from you.

 

[CanadianG00se]

As the posters above me have put it beautifully, the pessimism stems from the expectation that India should win the WC and we haven't given ourselves the best chance due to some atrocious planning.

Imagine if Rohit Sharma's 4 dropped catches were caught.

Just imagine what would hve happened to our WC campaign.

Enuf said.

If and but is part of game
Enuf said.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

If and but is part of game
Enuf said.

r/woosh

Context bro.

 

[pratiktc]

This world cup both NZ and India started well but faded away as tournament progressed. Both teams have 4-5 players who are pulling the slack for their failing teammates.

Aus have peaked in 2nd half of tournament after figuring out their best bowling XI and look settled.

England have peaked at the perfect time with Roy, Bairstow and Stokes stepping into killer mode

 

[jnaveen1980]

India's ICC tournament bully Dhawan's loss is a major loss. KL Rahul has done okay. But he doesn't go at the pace of Dhawan which is a problem.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Because our betting is not good enough. Rohit always plays fancily and offers a chance/ two to opposition. Kohli so far has not scored that big 100. Rest all are pretty mediocre / in consistent.

Bowling is carrying us through .

 

[pratiktc]

This world cup both NZ and India started well but faded away as tournament progressed. Both teams have 4-5 players who are pulling the slack for their failing teammates. It seems as though they will likely be eliminated at semis

Aus have peaked in 2nd half of tournament after figuring out their best bowling XI and look settled.

England have peaked at the perfect time with Roy, Bairstow and Stokes stepping into killer mode

 

[PakLFC]

I do not understand why Indian fans are moaning. With only on loss India is having an excellent world cup. India is scoring plenty of runs and taking wickets. All is good for them.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I do not understand why Indian fans are moaning. With only on loss India is having an excellent world cup. India is scoring plenty of runs and taking wickets. All is good for them.

As fans we always dwell on worst case scenarios. If the are more worst case scenarios then fans tend to be a little worried. IN a perfect world Rohit will make a 200 batting first. Kohli will finish with 150, Pandya rounds up with a fast 50. Whatever we thought Kohli would do is being done by Rohit. Whatever we expected Rohit would is being done by Kohli. Kohli 5 fifties in a row with no 100. Rohit 4 centuries !! These are unpredictable things. Indian unit is not a balanced unit. Lower order has zero fire power. So India's maximum chasing capacity would be 300 to 310 nothing above. On the other day Shami leaked 51 runs in the last 3. It swelled the total to 338. A total like 315 would have been chasable.

 

[Dingolfy]

I do not understand why Indian fans are moaning. With only on loss India is having an excellent world cup. India is scoring plenty of runs and taking wickets. All is good for them.

Its typical Desi inferiority complex and superstition. Nothing else. Desis don't have sporting culture other than in few regions and hence we are the biggest fair-weather fans in the world. Who else in the world leaves the stadium mid-way of the match?

 

[Bhaijaan]

That nobody Steve Waugh won them 1999 WC with century against SA attack in league game.
Was instrumental in 1987. WC win in subcontinent.Defended 7 runs in crutial game.
In 325 matches, this nobody scored around 8000 runs and picked 195 wickets.Used to play as an A/R in first 10 years.

Still is a nobody in ODI cricket. Thanks for the write up though. Dhoni is thrice the ODI legend Steve Waugh never was.

 

[Bhaijaan]

This stems from the little hearted nerd culture in India. Indians right from childhood have perfected the art of playing down hype. You ask a school topper that he’s going to top and he will say no bhaiya im gonna fail the same kid will spend he whole night crying on his mamma’s lap when he scores 99% and is short of topper by 4 marks. That’s the mentality of most Indians. A lot of these pessimists will cry like crazy if India loses after all.

Like few people mentioned lack o a sporting culture does this. True fans back their team no matter what and then go home quietly if they lose.

A lot of Indians would shamelessly go on a trolling and crying spree after an Indian defeat despite all this pessimism.

If the team is so bad after all why are you still watching them why are you still following the World Cup. Go home and start crying already.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Sporting culture? **. Players have been killed after soccer loss in world cup. Trolling is prevalent in every goddamn sports except may be in unpopular sports. If you don't have passion and don't show reaction after your loss you might as well stop following the sports. Look how English press, commies, supporters went after England side and English players started whining. As a fan being prepared for the worst is not bad compared to not knowing why you follow a sports and a team. Be it is CSK or MI or India or England passion will remain the same probably the degree will vary. There will be backlash after a loss. Wait and watch melt down of English press should they lose to India or Australia. Nobody is going to "go home" it is just a match we lost. yea right. It is a freaking world cup. There is bound to be anxiety, expectation, disappointment. People have to have realistic expectation which is what most have. Also there is nothing wrong in preparing yourself for the worst case scenario. It is not pessimism. Call it cautious optimism.

 

[mystical man]

This stems from the little hearted nerd culture in India. Indians right from childhood have perfected the art of playing down hype. You ask a school topper that he’s going to top and he will say no bhaiya im gonna fail the same kid will spend he whole night crying on his mamma’s lap when he scores 99% and is short of topper by 4 marks. That’s the mentality of most Indians. A lot of these pessimists will cry like crazy if India loses after all.

Like few people mentioned lack o a sporting culture does this. True fans back their team no matter what and then go home quietly if they lose.

A lot of Indians would shamelessly go on a trolling and crying spree after an Indian defeat despite all this pessimism.

If the team is so bad after all why are you still watching them why are you still following the World Cup. Go home and start crying already.

Well said and I am proud of the way our team has performed in this world cup.

 

[satheesh]

all said and done, the team winning 2 consecutive tosses in the 3 knock out matches will win the cup.As simple as that.

 

[latecut]

Get through the first three batsmen and the Indian batting is over. The remaining batsmen bat like tailenders. It is this fear that has made Indian fans pessimistic.

If India had two reliable middle order batsmen, like say Yuvraj Singh and Suresh Raina, Indians would have been quite optimistic about their team.

This team has great top order (albeit weakened by the injury to Shikhar Dhawan) and great pace attack, including death bowling attack. It is the vulnerable middle order that is a reason for great worry. This team does not inspire confidence that it can chase a 300 plus target if it bats second. That is the reason for the pessimism of Indian cricket fans.

 

[pillionrider]

That nobody Steve Waugh won them 1999 WC with century against SA attack in league game.
Was instrumental in 1987. WC win in subcontinent.Defended 7 runs in crutial game.
In 325 matches, this nobody scored around 8000 runs and picked 195 wickets.Used to play as an A/R in first 10 years.

He also deliberately chased a target slow to try and eliminate New Zealand from the WC. So yeah, definitely in the league of Dhoni

 

[Bhaijaan]

Well said and I am proud of the way our team has performed in this world cup.

I’m proud too.

I also believe in our middle order.

In the KOs i remain hopeful they will show some heart.

Dhoni is the greatest pressure absorber ever. KOs should be his moment to step up.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Dhoni has played grand total of 2 good innings in 4 World cups

 

[pillionrider]

Dhoni has played grand total of 2 good innings in 4 World cups

Which is the 2nd?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I guess not fake.

 

[MP2011]

Well, the sensible ones knew it all along that Indian team wasn't half as good as it was projected like.

It was good while it lasted!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Well, the sensible ones knew it all along that Indian team wasn't half as good as it was projected like.

It was good while it lasted!

We topped the group even with this team that shows how poor other teams were in this World Cup.

 

[MP2011]

We topped the group even with this team that shows how poor other teams were in this World Cup.

True. Current cricket standards are nowhere near what they used to be say, a decade back.

 

[OmaIR1]

Law of averages will eventually catch up. Rohit and Kohli are eventually going to be dismissed early and that is where the Indian batting line up will be exposed.

So it happened...