The reluctance of the ex-Pakistani greats, legends to coach Pakistan's grass root stars

[Savak]

Rahul Dravid, VVS Laxman, Ganguly in the last 10-15 years have coached the Indian U19, A team, Academies and the Indian Senior team (Once they had proven themselves at the lower levels) and the end result is the endless pipeline of quality of ready made players available to India where they have 3-4 ready replacements for every position in the team, bench, A team. Everything is streamlined with identified pathways i.e. all players have to play the Ranjhi trophy and that the only T-20 tournament they will be allowed to play is the IPL and that too if they have played a season of Ranjhi trophy, no NOC's for T-20 leagues abroad.

I am not even going to talk about the spill over benefits of the IPL where the Indian players have access to the best players in the world in the dressing room and the best international legends serving as the franchises head coaches, assistant coaches, director of cricket operations, i bet the indian players and local assistant junior coaches take back so much and they pass it on to their domestic teams

In contrast, you have the likes of Waqar Younis who has only chased a senior Pakistani coaching role 4-5 times in his career. The only time he has even agreed to coach a domestic team was when he was offered Rs 5 million a month, even then apparently he was not mandated to spend more than a 100 days a year in his role and was given liberty to go on tv to offer his expert views during major multi-national tournaments.

What is preventing the likes of Wasim Akram, Inzamam ul Haq, Mohd Yousaf, Abdul Razzaq, Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed, Shoaib Akhtar, Shoaib Malik, Javed Miandad e.t.c from truly rolling up their sleeves and spending 300 days atleast coaching a domestic team, U19 team, A team, Academies?

Is it that they don't want to deal with the PCB and its politics? Or they are happy to enjoy a nice comfortable easy life away from cricket. The PCB will have to offer these guys hefy lucrative contracts to make it worth their while.

Unless we inject some good quality coaching in our domestic system, U19, A team, Academies and give these coaches 10 years, we will never been a good quality team again.

 

[jnaveen1980]

PCB is a different beast. They have special camps to improve the skill of players

 

[pillionrider]

I don't think Ganguly was involved in coaching. He took over the BCCI for a while though.

Honestly don't know. The easy thing is to blame these ex players and say it's easier to complain from the outside. But maybe there are reasons as alluded in the OP.

In India, though there might be the Jay Shah or others like him in the past, I think there is a line of respect and courtesy they don't cross when it comes to how they treat legends of the game. With the PCB it just seems like some powerful people end up taking control with deep connections to the state. This makes them possibly more arrogant in the way they deal with Pak legends. The role of the Army cannot also perhaps be discounted. When you have an authoritarian presence, the people in power get used to servile behaviour which the ex players might be uncomfortable with. Even in the case of Jay Shah whose dad wields similar authoritarian power, the focus is more on making money than the flaunting of power. I could be completely off though. Just random speculation.

 

[Mockingbird]

Also this Naveen

 

[jnaveen1980]

Also this Naveen

Yea.. among other things. high altitude camp,big hitting camp, red ball camp. It is almost like trying to ace JEE by going for 1 week coaching class lol

 

[DeadlyVenom]

As fans, we should want these greats and legends as far away from our cricket as possible.

Only ones I will make a small exception for is, Wasim ( who won't do it anyway) and Mushtaq Ahmed.

The rest will take us back further and further with their egos and paindu tactics. Many of those Indian coaches came up as players under long tenures of John Wright, Duncan Fletcher, Chappel. So they understand process, tactics, preparation, study of the game. They played under them for 4-5 year stints and could develop planning skills that wasn't short term.

Our players of that era probably only had Woolmer, and the rest was chaos, conspiracies and chasing every non-Pakistani away.

Keep them away from our cricket as much as possible.

 

[saimayubera]

India also has a $4.2 trillion economy growing at 6-7% to support the entire infrastructure.

Nothing of this sort existed 25 years ago.

 

[JaDed]

India also has a $4.2 trillion economy growing at 6-7% to support the entire infrastructure.

Nothing of this sort existed 25 years ago.

We had good basic coaches even then. India u-19 stars Yuvi Rohit Kohli Jadeja Kaif before economy growth..
But yes exponentially better now due to money

 

[jnaveen1980]

We had good basic coaches even then. India u-19 stars Yuvi Rohit Kohli Jadeja Kaif before economy growth..
But yes exponentially better now due to money

Historically Indian batting coaches adhers to coaching manual strictly from very early age.

 

[saimayubera]

We had good basic coaches even then. India u-19 stars Yuvi Rohit Kohli Jadeja Kaif before economy growth..
But yes exponentially better now due to money

I would argue that they were the first batch of the economic growth (Yuvi/Kaif) and then Jadeja/Rohit/Kohli next batch.

Each gen is getting better.

 

[Savak]

Yuvraj has been working with Abhishek without any compensation.

 

[JaDed]

Historically Indian batting coaches adhers to coaching manual strictly from very early age.

Yes I always felt our batting coaches have been brilliant.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes I always felt our batting coaches have been brilliant.

They drill the basics into their head. Then when it gets combined with natural flair they become a better product. Then comes the practice, attitude, developing muscle memory and all those things. Entire SKY commentary crew were wowing about Indian cover drives in that test series. It is not a coincidence. GIll had a false shot % of 4% during his 269 at Edgbaston. That is the best in ENgland since they started recording

 

[shamaan]

Unless they are paid good money they won't accept a role.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Best option for pakistani batsman to develop is go play county like your predecessors like Zaheer Abbas, Wasim Akram did.

 

[Savak]

Unless they are paid good money they won't accept a role.

Is Rs 5 million a month not enough to be exclusively focused 330 days a year in your role? Even with this paycheque, the likes of Waqar, Misbah, Shoaib Malik were throwing tantrums that they should be allowed to travel and attend other commitments as per their convenience, they should be allowed to take up tv gigs, international commentary assignments during major tournaments, they will only be available to work 100 days a year maximum in their roles.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Yuvraj has been working with Abhishek without any compensation.

Most of these legends are worth 100’s of crores and they wont worry about chump change from these coaching stints.

Yuvi for example has genuine love for the game and you can see the way he gets involved with youngsters.

The same is the case for Dravid / VVS Laxman etc. Money is there but they want the respect to be lived on and hence you wont see them on TV shows throwing their mouths. These are Tier-1s.

The below category with the likes of Aakash chopra etc is similar to the Pakistani lot.

One interesting observation is there are likes of Dinesh Karthik, Robin Uthappa, Ravi Ashwin etc who has amazing analytical skills. They dissect the game in a unique perspective. Never seen Pakistan Ex-players like Misbah, Akthar, Malik etc come even closer to these guys. Only Wasim offers something on technical front IMO

 

[shamaan]

Is Rs 5 million a month not enough to be exclusively focused 330 days a year in your role? Even with this paycheque, the likes of Waqar, Misbah, Shoaib Malik were throwing tantrums that they should be allowed to travel and attend other commitments as per their convenience, they should be allowed to take up tv gigs, international commentary assignments during major tournaments, they will only be available to work 100 days a year maximum in their roles.

that is very good money but what's the comparison compared to other international players who become coaches for international teams.