The richness of the Big 3 stands on thin ice

[gazza619]

All it really needs is one summer with no cricket for ECB or ACB to go bankrupt…

One or may be two IPLs to get cancelled for BCCI to comes to down to its knees..

I wont even talk about NZ as it is not worth talking about.

All this hoo haa around the richness of the big 3/4 stands on thin ice really due to the level of spending these boards have committed to.

Pakistan has decided to take an aggressive stand which of course will have consequences for Pakistan. The world really needs to realise this though, cricket is the only game we really play and have passion for. If others would wish for death of Pakistan cricket then it wont be good news for world cricket either. I know many posters find the Pakistani reaction laughable but this is a very very serious situation and need to be handled with absolute sensitivity.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Is this some kind of threat ?
So you are saying that it is on thin ice as some event will happen will lead to multiple cancellations in these countries.
Mumbai attacks did not derail cricket in India. It continued and teams continued to arrive and play.
Forget about pulling some kind of stunt in Australia/NZ.
Manchester bombing did not let the concerts to stop.
Twin tower attacks did not stop business activity in New York.

Introspect within, that why these things stops events within Pakistan,
make your economy strong and grow the game within the country, before issuing such public threats, which are frankly stupid.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Sorry but Big 3 has nothing to do with this. At least BCCI has no involvement. It's unfortunate to see that you are wishing such things for cricket boards that are feeding so many cricketers. A cricket fan should not think like this.

Seeing your posts from the past, you don't look like a person who has such feelings towards boards of other nations. So I will assume it's an emotional outburst. Going off line for few days will work.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Sometimes it’s hard to respond when one does not know the age or experience of a poster.

OP do you understand business? What you’re saying is equivalent to claiming that Apple or Microsoft or Tesla will be in deep trouble if they don’t sell any products for a year.

Duh, yeah!.

But businesses keep innovating and attempting to move ahead.

 

[gazza619]

Sometimes it’s hard to respond when one does not know the age or experience of a poster.

OP do you understand business? What you’re saying is equivalent to claiming that Apple or Microsoft or Tesla will be in deep trouble if they don’t sell any products for a year.

Duh, yeah!.

But businesses keep innovating and attempting to move ahead.

I dont think you understand the vibe of the thread. It is a plea not a threat. And I made it absolute clear that Pakistan will have the most consequences. The cricketing world is tiny and boards need to stand through thick or thin.

It is laughable that you are comparing the economy of Apple & Microsoft with running a cricket board. Do some maths and understand the market.

Jarvo was not sent by the Taliban. It just showed how poor the security system in the west can be, and it makes everyone very vulnerable.

 

[mastimasti]

The ECB would have lost 80 million pounds, their own admission, if Pakistan did not tour last summer. The PCB should have written in a contract guarantee but they were either too nice or too naive. The PCB had the ECB by the proverbials last summer and let them go. They should learn from it.

 

[HEYY]

Is this a joke? Of course not hosting games/ selling their product will hurt the boards financially but they can recover easily. Non-big 3 boards are more likely to be bankrupt if they stop hosting for a year or two. BCCI also earns very good $$$ from international games.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Is this a joke? Of course not hosting games/ selling their product will hurt the boards financially but they can recover easily. Non-big 3 boards are more likely to be bankrupt if they stop hosting for a year or two. BCCI also earns very good $$$ from international games.

It's the converse, the larger boards earn considerably more but are financially fragile and exposed to market risks. The smaller boards are stretched but due to their smaller cost base are more likely to withstand financial shocks. It's a basic tenet of risk management, financial fragility increases due to increased network linkages and size.

We actually saw an example of this in county cricket, with the larger counties suffering considerably in comparison to the smaller ones due to the curtailment of the season last year.

 

[JattMaula]

It's the converse, the larger boards earn considerably more but are financially fragile and exposed to market risks. The smaller boards are stretched but due to their smaller cost base are more likely to withstand financial shocks. It's a basic tenet of risk management, financial fragility increases due to increased network linkages and size.

We actually saw an example of this in county cricket, with the larger counties suffering considerably in comparison to the smaller ones due to the curtailment of the season last year.

Shock tolerance isn't directly connected to size of organization. Lack of diversity of income is main problem for many cricket boards.

And size in itself is a insurance of a sort. You can scale back and survive another day.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Shock tolerance isn't directly connected to size of organization. Lack of diversity of income is main problem for many cricket boards.

And size in itself is a insurance of a sort. You can scale back and survive another day.

In theory that should be the case, yes, but we have seen since the financial crisis that in practice it becomes extremely hard to unwind that (systematic) risk. The cost base is the main issue, and how easy it is to scale back size. Conventional financial academia (by virtue of being largely useless) has always understated that risk due to a whole variety of reasons.

CA and the ECB were definitely on the brink of disaster with the pandemic last year, and as were the BCCI given the postponement of the IPL.

 

[Ashmal]

Is this a joke? Of course not hosting games/ selling their product will hurt the boards financially but they can recover easily. Non-big 3 boards are more likely to be bankrupt if they stop hosting for a year or two. BCCI also earns very good $$$ from international games.

BCCI can manage, but Cricket Australia almost went bankrupt due to Covid last year and desperately needed a tour by Indian to rescue them.

The non big-3 boards managed to survive Covid without much hassle.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Is this a joke? Of course not hosting games/ selling their product will hurt the boards financially but they can recover easily. Non-big 3 boards are more likely to be bankrupt if they stop hosting for a year or two. BCCI also earns very good $$$ from international games.

Good for them, I agree BCCI are very good at earning $$$ from international games. They are probably far more efficient than PCB for sure. But Pakistan fans are probably the next biggest fan base in the world, and that's a lot of untapped $$$.

If only for economic reasons, big tv companies will surely look to exploit that at some point. Pakistan's lack of professionalism in cricket for too long has damaged the brand, but we can already see there is potential with the PSL if they can market it right.

 

[abhay]

Its just one of many dreams of some posters we have witnessed in the last couple if days. I guess they themselves know that nothing if that sort is happening but merely a wishful thinking of theirs. I know want that to happen really bad, so good luck to OP ��

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Is this some kind of threat ?
So you are saying that it is on thin ice as some event will happen will lead to multiple cancellations in these countries.
Mumbai attacks did not derail cricket in India. It continued and teams continued to arrive and play.
Forget about pulling some kind of stunt in Australia/NZ.
Manchester bombing did not let the concerts to stop.
Twin tower attacks did not stop business activity in New York.

Introspect within, that why these things stops events within Pakistan,
make your economy strong and grow the game within the country, before issuing such public threats, which are frankly stupid.

He didn't mention bombing once man whats your problem? Why would you put such a sinister twist on a reasonable post.

We already had IPL postponed due to Covid maybe that's the type of thing he meant.

Have some decency before making such accusations.

I think your kind of posts were you maligning a poster irresponsibly is shameful.

 

[Robert]

I guess that if ECB went bankrupt, the Counties would just carry on trading. Maybe MCC would take over again temporarily.

 

[sharmaji]

I don't think the OP intended any of what you're saying. He just said that the Big 3, who are considered way richer than PCB, are also vulnerable to financial stress. And he implored PCB to not feel defeated about its financial standing in the cricketing world and pick itself up and get economically strong.

Is this some kind of threat ?
So you are saying that it is on thin ice as some event will happen will lead to multiple cancellations in these countries.
Mumbai attacks did not derail cricket in India. It continued and teams continued to arrive and play.
Forget about pulling some kind of stunt in Australia/NZ.
Manchester bombing did not let the concerts to stop.
Twin tower attacks did not stop business activity in New York.

Introspect within, that why these things stops events within Pakistan,
make your economy strong and grow the game within the country, before issuing such public threats, which are frankly stupid.

 

[sharmaji]

I completely agree. It is incredible how PCB did NOT tap into its market and become the 2nd richest board in the world. They only had to look at their neighbour to get inspired.

Good that PSL was started. That's one good thing that Najam Sethi (among many many other people in PCB) did for Pak cricket.

I feel that PCB can double/triple its financial health by improving its budgeting, financial planning, marketing and contracts.

Good for them, I agree BCCI are very good at earning $$$ from international games. They are probably far more efficient than PCB for sure. But Pakistan fans are probably the next biggest fan base in the world, and that's a lot of untapped $$$.

If only for economic reasons, big tv companies will surely look to exploit that at some point. Pakistan's lack of professionalism in cricket for too long has damaged the brand, but we can already see there is potential with the PSL if they can market it right.

 

[Zaz]

Is this some kind of threat ?
So you are saying that it is on thin ice as some event will happen will lead to multiple cancellations in these countries.
Mumbai attacks did not derail cricket in India. It continued and teams continued to arrive and play.
Forget about pulling some kind of stunt in Australia/NZ.
Manchester bombing did not let the concerts to stop.
Twin tower attacks did not stop business activity in New York.

Introspect within, that why these things stops events within Pakistan,
make your economy strong and grow the game within the country, before issuing such public threats, which are frankly stupid.

You need to calm down There was no threat

Its a fact that the bigger boards are not as powerful as they seem to because of the size of their outlay and income

Ecbs one test got cancelled and they made a loss of 25m
These boards need to get off their high horse because they arent as high and mighty as they think they are. And they need to take care of their responsibitiez

Without the other teams intnl cricket isnt marketable and would be dead in the water

 

[Savak]

I completely agree. It is incredible how PCB did NOT tap into its market and become the 2nd richest board in the world. They only had to look at their neighbour to get inspired.

Good that PSL was started. That's one good thing that Najam Sethi (among many many other people in PCB) did for Pak cricket.

I feel that PCB can double/triple its financial health by improving its budgeting, financial planning, marketing and contracts.

Ramiz in interviews has said he is personally reaching out to many big sponsors to get involved in Pakistan Cricket using nationalistic, emotional arguments and obviously some business arguments as well as to why it will be worth their while.

 

[Savak]

If the BCCI had not been able to hold the IPL in 2020 and 2021. If CA did not get India to tour Australia in 2020-21 to help it get $300 million from the broadcasters. If the ECB did not get the likes of WI, Pakistan to tour England to help it get 300 million pounds, where would these boards stand right now?

In comparison the PCB has not had any proper international cricket at home for 10 plus years, has suffered limited broadcasting revenues as a result of no India series and no England, Australia, NZ touring Pakistan and has had to spend out of its nose to play in the UAE for ten plus years, it is still sitting at no 4 in the ICC revenue table and still during Covid the PCB said they had enough wealth to support Cricket and the players in Pakistan for atleast the next 2 years even if there was no Cricket due to Covid.

Have to question the financial budgetting, investments of the Big 3 boards where they could not afford to swallow the Covid 19 shock for 1-2 years.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Is this some kind of threat ?
So you are saying that it is on thin ice as some event will happen will lead to multiple cancellations in these countries.
Mumbai attacks did not derail cricket in India. It continued and teams continued to arrive and play.
Forget about pulling some kind of stunt in Australia/NZ.
Manchester bombing did not let the concerts to stop.
Twin tower attacks did not stop business activity in New York.

Introspect within, that why these things stops events within Pakistan,
make your economy strong and grow the game within the country, before issuing such public threats, which are frankly stupid.

What has Pakistan's economy got to do with terrorist attacks? They were trying to host NZ few days ago but because of some so called threats tour was cancelled. Teams like England came back to India and resumed the series after Mumbai attacks but there is no big team in this world who showed any support for Pakistan after what happened in 2009. They kept playing their home series abroad and didn't let the game die in Pakistan. If it was any other country except Pakistan their board would have collapsed like ZCB. They are still being penalised for events which happened in 2009. They are getting no support from other Asian countries as well.

They don't need to grow the game either in Pakistan because it is already very popular and has survived without any international cricket so far for the last couple of years.

This is a suggestion from my side. Pakistan should relax a little and don't give presidential level security to players and teams. They start feeling like they have entered some kind of warzone after looking at army people everywhere. Yes there is pressure on Pakistan and one mistake can cost them years of international cricket again because they don't have rich friends but don't try to overwhelm them with these things. They are here to play cricket not fight in a war.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Let me remind the OP a few things,

BCCI was the richest board in the world long before IPL. IPL has just taken it higher by many levels.

Even today the BCCI international rights are more valuable on per match basis than IPL.

So no Bcci wont be on its knees.

I am not even going into the billion bcci has in reserves.

Coming to ECB, well ECB too has big reserves and will continue to have surplus due to Ashes India tours and The hundred.

CA though have lesser financial strength, no one has ever cancelled a tour of Australia and they are literally guaranteed tours by India England NZ.


Its unfortunate that Pakistan cant get teams to tour them. But its pakistan's inability to convince teams.

It is pakistan's responsibility to develop its cricket and finances. If pakistan decides to to not play cricket with certain countries, others will replace them, just like India did.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You need to calm down There was no threat

Its a fact that the bigger boards are not as powerful as they seem to because of the size of their outlay and income

Ecbs one test got cancelled and they made a loss of 25m
These boards need to get off their high horse because they arent as high and mighty as they think they are. And they need to take care of their responsibitiez

Without the other teams intnl cricket isnt marketable and would be dead in the water

Pakistan cricket is not anyone's responsibility but pakistan's.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's the converse, the larger boards earn considerably more but are financially fragile and exposed to market risks. The smaller boards are stretched but due to their smaller cost base are more likely to withstand financial shocks. It's a basic tenet of risk management, financial fragility increases due to increased network linkages and size.

We actually saw an example of this in county cricket, with the larger counties suffering considerably in comparison to the smaller ones due to the curtailment of the season last year.

Any idea what is the size of BCCI's reserves?

Do you not think that boards decide their outlay on the basis of income and if income reduces they will cut back on expenditure?

 

[Zaz]

Pakistan cricket is not anyone's responsibility but pakistan's.

Its shoud be the ICCs but thats turned into a stooge of certain boards

Cricket as a whole has gone to pot thanks to greed and people with power who dont know how to use it bar for themselves

Keep on digging crickets grave

 

[cricketjoshila]

Its shoud be the ICCs but thats turned into a stooge of certain boards

Cricket as a whole has gone to pot thanks to greed and people with power who dont know how to use it bar for themselves

Keep on digging crickets grave

No. Pakistan cricket is not ICC's responsibility. Its PCB'S.

Its funny that pakistan expects international organisations to bail out pakistan be it IMF or ICC.

Just because pakistanis don't like how cricket is run because of obvious reasons, doesn't mean things are bad.

 

[Mesozoic]

Its shoud be the ICCs but thats turned into a stooge of certain boards

It's ICC's responsibility to run pak cricket? Then what is PCB there for? To catch up once a week, have a chat about movies and gossip while eating hot hot samosas?

 

[Last Monetarist]

Any idea what is the size of BCCI's reserves?

Do you not think that boards decide their outlay on the basis of income and if income reduces they will cut back on expenditure?

About USD 750 million in liquid assets as of the last published accounts (2019/20), which covers about twice the loss they could have suffered if the IPL had been cancelled this year after May. Given that 70% of the BCCI's income flows down to cover the expenses of the state associations, there is no doubt that the board would have been stretched for a couple of years even if one edition of the IPL is curtailed. This is the reason why the IPL is paramount towards the success of the BCCI and there is no compromise with international cricket.

The point simply is that existential risks can arrive out of nowhere due to the intrinsic nature of the system, and that unwinding those risks becomes a bigger problem the bigger an organization.

Nonetheless, to be clear I am not for a moment advocating the idea that a cricket board would be in say the PCB or CSA's shoes rather than the BCCI simply because the scale of the organization leaves the BCCI subject to certain risks that aren't perhaps remotely relevant for all of the other boards.

 

[ChennaiFan]

Ramiz in interviews has said he is personally reaching out to many big sponsors to get involved in Pakistan Cricket using nationalistic, emotional arguments and obviously some business arguments as well as to why it will be worth their while.

I agree, PCB could become a real wealthy organization. We all know what needs to happen for that - PCT should play like the teams that played in late 80's and early 90's but in modern cricket mode. Then PCB needs to take it to the market and sell well. It is easier said than done.

Let us hope Ramiz Raja, instead of playing to the gallery and issuing statements every day, hires a consulting firm to strategize and implement the plans.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

The irony is india knew this and stopped playin pakistan over decade ago and lobbied others not to travel.

Pakistan should have been 2nd richest board by now if cricket was played in pakistan.

They still can.

 

[Zaz]

It's ICC's responsibility to run pak cricket? Then what is PCB there for? To catch up once a week, have a chat about movies and gossip while eating hot hot samosas?

I dont think you understand Let me spell it out to you
Its ICCs (as the governing body) responsibility to run and help govern n grow cricket in the world

Not to sit by idly and serve the interests of the fat cats alone Theyre a joke of body and so are the irresponsible BCCI who are holding cricket hostage to their whims

 

[Local.Dada]

About USD 750 million in liquid assets as of the last published accounts (2019/20), which covers about twice the loss they could have suffered if the IPL had been cancelled this year after May. Given that 70% of the BCCI's income flows down to cover the expenses of the state associations, there is no doubt that the board would have been stretched for a couple of years even if one edition of the IPL is curtailed. This is the reason why the IPL is paramount towards the success of the BCCI and there is no compromise with international cricket.

The point simply is that existential risks can arrive out of nowhere due to the intrinsic nature of the system, and that unwinding those risks becomes a bigger problem the bigger an organization.

Nonetheless, to be clear I am not for a moment advocating the idea that a cricket board would be in say the PCB or CSA's shoes rather than the BCCI simply because the scale of the organization leaves the BCCI subject to certain risks that aren't perhaps remotely relevant for all of the other boards.

All that is speculation and BCCI collapsing would have the same impact on cricket economy like tomorrow if Amazon or Google become bankrupt. It will only wipe out the smaller guys in the same domain.

I don’t see how that benefits cricket leave alone Pakistan cricket.

Obviously the more money one has the risk is higher. That doesn’t need a finance expert to come up with that conclusion.

Also Pakistan’s problem are either political situation or PCB’s own incompetency all these years for not having a system. That’s not my take but every pakistan expert ever points to that.

So even if as per OP the big 3 collapses and cricket goes away in these countries, don’t know what good will come for Pakistan cricket out of that.

Pakistan’s best option is to improve their on field cricket and do ground work to improve relations with everyone. You don’t have to be best friends but there is something called diplomacy and subtlety that Pakistan politicians or cricket board seems to lack.

 

[ManFan]

All that is speculation and BCCI collapsing would have the same impact on cricket economy like tomorrow if Amazon or Google become bankrupt. It will only wipe out the smaller guys in the same domain.

I don’t see how that benefits cricket leave alone Pakistan cricket.

Obviously the more money one has the risk is higher. That doesn’t need a finance expert to come up with that conclusion.

Also Pakistan’s problem are either political situation or PCB’s own incompetency all these years for not having a system. That’s not my take but every pakistan expert ever points to that.

So even if as per OP the big 3 collapses and cricket goes away in these countries, don’t know what good will come for Pakistan cricket out of that.

Pakistan’s best option is to improve their on field cricket and do ground work to improve relations with everyone. You don’t have to be best friends but there is something called diplomacy and subtlety that Pakistan politicians or cricket board seems to lack.

Everything you said is cricket. But The Big Three’s monopoly is not good for the game itself.

So, either way, Pakistan and the other smaller boards are screwed. And diplomacy only works if it goes both ways, which we saw in the last few days, it won’t.

 

[PakLFC]

Cricket a a minority Sport with India being the biggest contributor to the ICC. They have this advantage for now but it does not mean will have it. I just want a strong Pak side and for us to sort out of Cricket associated problems.

 

[Lego20]

No. Pakistan cricket is not ICC's responsibility. Its PCB'S.

Its funny that pakistan expects international organisations to bail out pakistan be it IMF or ICC.

Well, if not, it will only strengthen the hands of extremists and weaken democracy in Pakistan. The world needs to realize that.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

What has Pakistan's economy got to do with terrorist attacks? They were trying to host NZ few days ago but because of some so called threats tour was cancelled. Teams like England came back to India and resumed the series after Mumbai attacks but there is no big team in this world who showed any support for Pakistan after what happened in 2009. They kept playing their home series abroad and didn't let the game die in Pakistan. If it was any other country except Pakistan their board would have collapsed like ZCB. They are still being penalised for events which happened in 2009. They are getting no support from other Asian countries as well.

They don't need to grow the game either in Pakistan because it is already very popular and has survived without any international cricket so far for the last couple of years.

This is a suggestion from my side. Pakistan should relax a little and don't give presidential level security to players and teams. They start feeling like they have entered some kind of warzone after looking at army people everywhere. Yes there is pressure on Pakistan and one mistake can cost them years of international cricket again because they don't have rich friends but don't try to overwhelm them with these things. They are here to play cricket not fight in a war.

1. If a country is not deemed safe, why would anyone invest and do business in that country. No business and investments means no economy. Pretty simple rule.
2. May be instead of blaming outside forces, time to introspect why this is so ? Diplomatic failure/Foreign policy failure or something else. Why is this is a repeated pattern ? Surely someone in Pakistan's bureaucracy needs to answer this to the general populace.

I am just laying down the facts and asking for self introspection, instead of trying to blame India on every forum.

 

[Mesozoic]

I dont think you understand Let me spell it out to you
Its ICCs (as the governing body) responsibility to run and help govern n grow cricket in the world

Okay so how in your opinion should ICC "help" govern cricket in Pakistan , a job which the ones that were actually supposed to do, failed miserably?

 

[Gilly]

Pakistans problem is the animosity between India and Pakistan is carried over into everything else.

Indian cricket is a lot wealthier than Pakistans and India do not want to help Pakistan in any way, Pakistan have their own grudges against India but everything goes back to this feud.

Other countries are not against Pakistan but every little thing is taken as a slight against Pakistan and the supporters eventually bring India into the mix and then blame India and call everyone else stooges of India. Other boards would like nothing more than to be able to tour Pakistan because the stronger Pakistan cricket is the more stronger cricket is. Its unfortunate that conditions in Pakistan have pushed the risk to teams into the spotlight and prevented teams from touring. Cricket tours are just sport and entertainment so people in charge or the tours have to be extra careful not to take any risks whatsoever.

The world is not out to get Pakistan or destroy its cricket, the only reason anyone wants to harm Pakistan or its cricket is paranoia, people see things that are not there or convince themselves that other countries want to destroy Pakistan.

 

[Gilly]

Everything you said is cricket. But The Big Three’s monopoly is not good for the game itself.

So, either way, Pakistan and the other smaller boards are screwed. And diplomacy only works if it goes both ways, which we saw in the last few days, it won’t.

The big three dont have a monopoly, that is a complete fabrication.

 

[Itachi]

This thread is like.... Because your son failed on the exam (because he is incompetent), blame the exam for corruption.

PCB is in the current state exactly due to this victim mentality. But not surprised though, victim mentality is wide spread in every aspect in case of Pakistanis.

 

[drubwrubnat]

Other boards would like nothing more than to be able to tour Pakistan because the stronger Pakistan cricket is the more stronger cricket is.

Lovely points all well taken, and very happy for especially this.

 

[gazza619]

This thread is like.... Because your son failed on the exam (because he is incompetent), blame the exam for corruption.

PCB is in the current state exactly due to this victim mentality. But not surprised though, victim mentality is wide spread in every aspect in case of Pakistanis.

The son worked really really hard for the exam, did night studying, evenings, weekends, also took on part time job. On the day of the exam he was barred from entering the exam hall. Thats whats happened in reality. No body is playing victim, Pakistan is the victim.

 

[Itachi]

The son worked really really hard for the exam, did night studying, evenings, weekends, also took on part time job. On the day of the exam he was barred from entering the exam hall. Thats whats happened in reality. No body is playing victim, Pakistan is the victim.

That doesn't entitle him to give the exam since it's subjected to availability of the other parties.

You can work hard but that doesn't mean you are entitle to a result.

 

[MenInG]

This thread is like.... Because your son failed on the exam (because he is incompetent), blame the exam for corruption.

PCB is in the current state exactly due to this victim mentality. But not surprised though, victim mentality is wide spread in every aspect in case of Pakistanis.

Who says he was incompetent? you?

Exactly why was PCB incompetent?

1. Security assessments were carried out
2. Venues were agreed
3. Schedules published
4. Security protocols agreed with and tried and tested.

There is no victim here. There is no case to prove for Pakistan.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This thread is like.... Because your son failed on the exam (because he is incompetent), blame the exam for corruption.

PCB is in the current state exactly due to this victim mentality. But not surprised though, victim mentality is wide spread in every aspect in case of Pakistanis.

How do you expect a country’s cricket economy to grow unless they play at home? PCB’s governance has left a lot to be desired a lot of times, but they have been challenged beyond any other cricketing nation in history.

Learn to think properly before coming up with such jazbaati responses.

 

[shaz619]

I guess that if ECB went bankrupt, the Counties would just carry on trading. Maybe MCC would take over again temporarily.

They owe the PCB a debt

 

[Itachi]

Who says he was incompetent? you?

Exactly why was PCB incompetent?

1. Security assessments were carried out
2. Venues were agreed
3. Schedules published
4. Security protocols agreed with and tried and tested.

There is no victim here. There is no case to prove for Pakistan.

Context of the thread is financial health of individual boards. Not just one cancelled tour.

Are you saying that starting from inception, PCB is working as efficiently as other boards yet it doesn't show in account books and no incompetence is involved here from PCB?

 

[Itachi]

How do you expect a country’s cricket economy to grow unless they play at home? PCB’s governance has left a lot to be desired a lot of times, but they have been challenged beyond any other cricketing nation in history.

Learn to think properly before coming up with such jazbaati responses.

Who refused to tour India in political grounds in 1990s?

Who tried to blackmail IPL?

Before portraying PCB as angel, learn to think and analyze and realize that current circumstances are consequences of past actions of PCB.

You reap what you sow.

 

[Itachi]

They owe the PCB a debt

No one owes anything in this world. If you are making a good deed with expecting something in return, then you aren't doing it with truest heart and selfish mature itself degrades the value/integrity of that action.

 

[ufcfan]

How do you expect a country’s cricket economy to grow unless they play at home? PCB’s governance has left a lot to be desired a lot of times, but they have been challenged beyond any other cricketing nation in history.

Learn to think properly before coming up with such jazbaati responses.

Pakistan's economy rests on cricket played at home?

 

[cricketjoshila]

How do you expect a country’s cricket economy to grow unless they play at home? PCB’s governance has left a lot to be desired a lot of times, but they have been challenged beyond any other cricketing nation in history.

Learn to think properly before coming up with such jazbaati responses.

IPL is played in UAE its still raking in the bucks.

Money is generated from TV rights and sponsorship. Tickets sales are a very small part of it.

 

[gazza619]

IPL is played in UAE its still raking in the bucks.

Money is generated from TV rights and sponsorship. Tickets sales are a very small part of it.

Yes play all your IPL and home series in the UAE for the next 10 years and see how your cricket dies a slow death.

 

[Yk313]

All it really needs is one summer with no cricket for ECB or ACB to go bankrupt…

One or may be two IPLs to get cancelled for BCCI to comes to down to its knees..

I wont even talk about NZ as it is not worth talking about.

All this hoo haa around the richness of the big 3/4 stands on thin ice really due to the level of spending these boards have committed to.

Pakistan has decided to take an aggressive stand which of course will have consequences for Pakistan. The world really needs to realise this though, cricket is the only game we really play and have passion for. If others would wish for death of Pakistan cricket then it wont be good news for world cricket either. I know many posters find the Pakistani reaction laughable but this is a very very serious situation and need to be handled with absolute sensitivity.

Does the same not apply to PAK? Or pretty much any board?

 

[gazza619]

Does the same not apply to PAK? Or pretty much any board?

Our cricket would have been dead by now if it did apply to Pakistan.

 

[Mesozoic]

Yes play all your IPL and home series in the UAE for the next 10 years and see how your cricket dies a slow death.

It most definitely wont "die a slow death".

BCCI would still get billions on broadcasting deals from Disney/Star. Only loss they'd incur may be the gate revenues which are miniscule in comparison.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes play all your IPL and home series in the UAE for the next 10 years and see how your cricket dies a slow death.

No it won't die because more than 80 per cent of Indian cricket's money comes from Broadcast and sponsorship.

This cycle the broadcast revenue for 5 years will be 3.5bn. Will it matter if the matches are played in UAE or Chennai?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Our cricket would have been dead by now if it did apply to Pakistan.

Pakistan cricket is immune but rest are on thin ice.

The delusions.

 

[gazza619]

Pakistan cricket is immune but rest are on thin ice.

The delusions.

Don't trust me. Check out the recent history of events that have actually happened.

 

[Itachi]

Our cricket would have been dead by now if it did apply to Pakistan.

Then good for you. Why you are complaining about others though?

PCB is functioning.

Rest of the boards may be thin ice but functioning.

What is the issue here?

 

[Zaz]

The big three dont have a monopoly, that is a complete fabrication.

Of course they do They monopolise which teams they will will or will not play

They will pull out of bilateral agreements when they see fit Theyve made intnl cricket a joke

 

[Zaz]

Other boards would like nothing more than to be able to tour Pakistan because the stronger Pakistan cricket is the more stronger cricket is. Its unfortunate that conditions in Pakistan have pushed the risk to teams into the spotlight and prevented teams from touring. Cricket tours are just sport and entertainment so people in charge or the tours have to be extra careful not to take any risks whatsoever.

This is a joke right? Can you please explain to me then why australia hasnt toured pakistan since 1998 Thats 23yrs now

N dont cite security concerns Even england india etc have toured in the 2000s succesfully multiple times pre 2009

If australia were serious n would love to tour we wouldnt be waiting 23 years n counting

 

[OMB]

Of course they do They monopolise which teams they will will or will not play

They will pull out of bilateral agreements when they see fit Theyve made intnl cricket a joke

In your opinion, who has to solve your problems? ( by your I mean PCB)
Radical view like cut off ties or play with few boards etc are all gravy and no meat

 

[Cric_lover4487]

This is a joke right? Can you please explain to me then why australia hasnt toured pakistan since 1998 Thats 23yrs now

N dont cite security concerns Even england india etc have toured in the 2000s succesfully multiple times pre 2009

If australia were serious n would love to tour we wouldnt be waiting 23 years n counting

Thats a good point. India toured Pakistan twice if i am not wrong in 2004 and 2006. I recall friendly vibes between Ind and Pak during matches those times unlike hostility we see these days. Ind-Pak cricket survived despite Kargil war. What's the excuse of Aus to not visit Pak for over 20 years?

 

[Gilly]

This is a joke right? Can you please explain to me then why australia hasnt toured pakistan since 1998 Thats 23yrs now

N dont cite security concerns Even england india etc have toured in the 2000s succesfully multiple times pre 2009

If australia were serious n would love to tour we wouldnt be waiting 23 years n counting

Australia is not going to send a cricket team to play when they need thousands of soldiers to protect them. Cricket is just not that important to Australians.

I'm guessing you think Australian Cricket wont tour because they want to destroy Pakistan cricket.

 

[gazza619]

Then good for you. Why you are complaining about others though?

PCB is functioning.

Rest of the boards may be thin ice but functioning.

What is the issue here?

You might be alien to the concept but apparently there is a thing called “freedom of speech”.

 

[Itachi]

You might be alien to the concept but apparently there is a thing called “freedom of speech”.

Heh? When did I oppose it?

What I am asking is, since all the parties are functioning, what is issue that you want to raise through this thread?

 

[Zaz]

@ GILLY

No AUS dont want to destroy pakistan cricket but their refusal to tour together with the other boards is hurting pakistan cricket
The fact you cant see this is baffling

Cricket may not be that important to australia but that doesnt stop them touring a place like india where threat of terror is also high England have had multiple terror attacks when australia have been there but theyvr never left or stop touring

You say they would love to tour but ur words dont match their actions when no tour has been held since 1998

There are thousands of western people in pakistan going out n about freely without security at the moment

The fact you and aus think pakistan is dangerous says more about your thinking than it does about pakistan

 

[gazza619]

Heh? When did I oppose it?

What I am asking is, since all the parties are functioning, what is issue that you want to raise through this thread?

Plea to the rich boards that:
1. dont be so arrogant
2. support other boards
3. what goes around comes around
4. you may be left with all icing and no cake

 

[Itachi]

Plea to the rich boards that:
1. dont be so arrogant
2. support other boards
3. what goes around comes around
4. you may be left with all icing and no cake

Since the boards can function individually without any hindrance -

1. Be it arrogant or not, has no effect on consequence as already seen in current scenario.

2. Since each board can function without help of others as demonstrated by PCB as per your post, no boards need support from others.

3. PCB should boycott tours to other countries if security is concern or for pak players well being. PCB has absolute right on that.

4. That is the individual responsibility of each board which has no affect on others. Even if by tomorrow, BCCI/CA/ECB is bankrupted, cricket will be fine among other countries as evident from the opening post of the thread.

So what I am not getting is, since every element in this system can thrive even in isolated manner, then what's the purpose of going after rich boards? Cricket can exist even without them.

 

[drubwrubnat]

Who says he was incompetent? you?

Exactly why was PCB incompetent?

1. Security assessments were carried out
2. Venues were agreed
3. Schedules published
4. Security protocols agreed with and tried and tested.

There is no victim here. There is no case to prove for Pakistan.

Im not an expert but wasnt the pcb unable to arrange a hawk eye/drs & this series was downgraded or something like that.

 

[gazza619]

Since the boards can function individually without any hindrance -

1. Be it arrogant or not, has no effect on consequence as already seen in current scenario.

2. Since each board can function without help of others as demonstrated by PCB as per your post, no boards need support from others.

3. PCB should boycott tours to other countries if security is concern or for pak players well being. PCB has absolute right on that.

4. That is the individual responsibility of each board which has no affect on others. Even if by tomorrow, BCCI/CA/ECB is bankrupted, cricket will be fine among other countries as evident from the opening post of the thread.

So what I am not getting is, since every element in this system can thrive even in isolated manner, then what's the purpose of going after rich boards? Cricket can exist even without them.

There is lack of empathy and morality in your post which is the real issue with the rich boards as well.

 

[Itachi]

There is lack of empathy and morality in your post which is the real issue with the rich boards as well.

These two are subjective and you can't make people obligated based upon that since empathy/morality varies from person to person.

For example, for you, amir may be an innocent kid but for me, he was a player who brought shame to the game. You can say I lack empathy but it isn't a concern for me. On the other hand, I can state that your empathy adulterates your stance in morality.

Its a philosophical battle rather than a financial one.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

1. If a country is not deemed safe, why would anyone invest and do business in that country. No business and investments means no economy. Pretty simple rule.
2. May be instead of blaming outside forces, time to introspect why this is so ? Diplomatic failure/Foreign policy failure or something else. Why is this is a repeated pattern ? Surely someone in Pakistan's bureaucracy needs to answer this to the general populace.

I am just laying down the facts and asking for self introspection, instead of trying to blame India on every forum.

How did you come to this conclusion that Pakistan is not safe in 2021? Any specific incidents? They have hosted few teams there and hosted their version of Pyjama League successfully too. That's the difference I was talking about. Teams like England came back to complete the series after Mumbai attacks but here we can see few teams cancelling their tours based on rumours/empty threats. If I am not wrong they were getting presidential level security? They should have trusted that security.

I do think that some countries are trying to politically isolate Pakistan which in turn is affecting their cricket.

 

[Itachi]

How did you come to this conclusion that Pakistan is not safe in 2021? Any specific incidents? They have hosted few teams there and hosted their version of Pyjama League successfully too. That's the difference I was talking about. Teams like England came back to complete the series after Mumbai attacks but here we can see few teams cancelling their tours based on rumours/empty threats. If I am not wrong they were getting presidential level security? They should have trusted that security.

I do think that some countries are trying to politically isolate Pakistan which in turn is affecting their cricket.

Trust is a personal choice.

Upon the same circumstances, I may trust you but not another person. And since it's a personal choice, one can not obligate the other. You have the right to sue which PCB is entitled to if thats the route that they want to go for.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't trust me. Check out the recent history of events that have actually happened.

So you are saying that rest of the boards will be financially ruined if no one tours them.

But pakistan will still do well even if they dont host a team in Pakistan or neutral territory?

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is lack of empathy and morality in your post which is the real issue with the rich boards as well.

Empathy is a choice not an obligation, just like charity isnt.

 

[Napa]

All it really needs is one summer with no cricket for ECB or ACB to go bankrupt…

One or may be two IPLs to get cancelled for BCCI to comes to down to its knees..

I wont even talk about NZ as it is not worth talking about.

All this hoo haa around the richness of the big 3/4 stands on thin ice really due to the level of spending these boards have committed to.

This is not how business works.

Suppose IPL loses a couple of seasons, does it mean IPL will end? Of course not. IPL is an asset that normally produces more revenues than it costs. If for 2 years it does not have revenues then it will not be able to meet its obligations, and it may result in bankruptcies which could lead to transfer of ownership of the teams.

However, after those two years it will be revived simply because it will produce more revenues than it costs, that is it will come back because it is a profitable proposition. That is how business works, opportunities to make profits are not ignored.

 

[JaDed]

How did you come to this conclusion that Pakistan is not safe in 2021? Any specific incidents? They have hosted few teams there and hosted their version of Pyjama League successfully too. That's the difference I was talking about. Teams like England came back to complete the series after Mumbai attacks but here we can see few teams cancelling their tours based on rumours/empty threats. If I am not wrong they were getting presidential level security? They should have trusted that security.

I do think that some countries are trying to politically isolate Pakistan which in turn is affecting their cricket.

Foreign Investments never left India after Mumbai attack or other attacks, that’s also a major difference.

It helps that we have global business leaders and IT backoffice.

It’s not only about teams but also business as such.

Pakistan is obviously safe now but Close proximity between Taliban and Pakistan will always be questioned by rich western nations (not Arabs or Asian).

The only countries not touring are Western mostly White rich nations (Aus-Nz are western ) who have an alliance of sort.

If Turkey, Russia, China, Malaysia, Indonesia , Latin countries had cricket teams they would had had no issues sending a team.

 

[Mp812]

Trust is a personal choice.

Upon the same circumstances, I may trust you but not another person. And since it's a personal choice, one can not obligate the other. You have the right to sue which PCB is entitled to if thats the route that they want to go for.

Trust is personal choice ....true.
More importantly past history and reputation play an important role in that.
Sad to say but if NZ was in England or WI and similar threat was made they would most likely not have puled out of the tour.
Besides one cannot just ignore Govt orders even if you don't agree with it. Also family members must have panicked and pressured the players.
New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said New Zealand Cricket “made the right decision” to pull out of the tour. “You will understand why we are not in a position to give further information as to the nature of the intelligence, other than to say, it was a direct threat, and it was a credible threat,” she told reporters on Sunday.


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[Cric_lover4487]

Trust is personal choice ....true.
More importantly past history and reputation play an important role in that.
Sad to say but if NZ was in England or WI and similar threat was made they would most likely not have puled out of the tour.
Besides one cannot just ignore Govt orders even if you don't agree with it. Also family members must have panicked and pressured the players.
New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said New Zealand Cricket “made the right decision” to pull out of the tour. “You will understand why we are not in a position to give further information as to the nature of the intelligence, other than to say, it was a direct threat, and it was a credible threat,” she told reporters on Sunday.


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I don't really understand why everyone is blaming NZC board. What can they do if their govt. tells them to come back? They have to follow the guidelines. You cant expect a touring team to rebel against their own govt., neglect security intel ,put their life on the line to play a cricket match to win brownie points from Pak fans. No individual will take that risk.