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No doubt there were apprehensions about Hasan being selected but I must say kudos to Inzi, Bradburn and Bobby for backing Hasan .

Now Hasan is only bowling around 137 kph max. but what was most impressive in the warmups was the areas that Hasan bowled with the new ball. He has been the most accurate Pakistani seamer on show and has bowled only a good line/length and both NZ and OZ openers struggled to put him away.

It is very important for Hasan with his pace to not venture fuller and with his height(one of the lowest releases in the world) to not pitch short either. And he has not done either.

Could be just the spark Pakistan needed for a long campaign.
 
How professional pakistan has become? Omg, Halloween really is nearing.

You're talking about the same selectors who picked tayyab tahir in the squad and had him frontline but then put of the blue put him to travelling reserves and then boot him out of the cup for random reasons.

You're talking about a selection committee that called up abduallah shafique for international odi and test despite having nill List A experience to boot simply because babar had a love affair with his technique but at the same time boot saim ayub out because saim apparently lacks experience? Even though saim has more List A experience then abduallh.

You're talking about a selection committee that has abrar your best spinner in domestic circuit and your best spinner in international tests as a reserve over shadab and nawaz, 2 spinners who not only get put performed by multiple youngsters in the circuit, they were statically worse then Nepal spinners In the Asia cup, and are still getting butchered in warmups.

You're talking about a selection committee that has Imam ul haq as their backup keeper incase rizzu gets injured midgame.

You're talking about a selection committee that has waseem Jr in the squad lol

This selection committee made zero changes at all these are gutless selections lmao. All they did was being back hasan Ali an old horse over faheem ashraf who was another old and dead horse.

Sometimes I think people genuinely make such posts to troll for fun and provoke reactions.
 
He doesn't even bowl at 130 after first two overs.

Not just Hasan Ali, all Pakistani pacers will get thrashed all over the park in this World Cup.
Shaheen is only good with the new ball in the first 3 overs.
Rauf is gun barrel straight; he can't swing. The only variation he knows is the slow ball, and batsmen are already dispatching him out of the ground.
Wasim Jr. is not of international standard.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Sharjeel
Fakhar
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Tayab
Ifti
Imad
Shaheen
Haris
Abrar

This line up has a better chance.
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I mean, this lineup has old horses as well.

Thing is 2017 we introduced fresh faces.

Shadab was fresh, amir was new to his return and fresh, Fakhar was fresh, haris sohail had been sitting out for a long time and was fresh, imad waseem had only been playing for 6 months prior in mid 2016 and was fresh, malik was making his return and hadn't been playing more then a year, hasan Ali was new, Sarfi was just made captain so new leadership etc.

All our current players are dead tired horses besides saud.

All this lack of experience nonsense when it's these fresh faces that won you cups, these people think a fresh fast paced horse who lacks a bit of discipline but is rearing to go, is somehow worse then a tired horse who needs frequent water and sleep breaks on the eve of a tournament.

Wasim akram was brand new and gave us a winning spell in 1992 world cup lol, he was literally fully fresh and new.

Yes ik you can argue some players like abdulllah haven't come strong, and some players like usama should be performing better, usama takes wickets but his economy is a problem,

But the fact that you're playing old horses who are wither rigid to change their approach of play (Imam, Rizzu) or completly tried and tested end of rope players like sheddy, Nawaz, hasan Ali, Fakhar and we are magically going to win.

For new fresh blood you need experience to guide them, in 2017 that came in the form of hafeez and malik in the middle.

We don't need everyone experienced and at the end of their rope 😂😂😂😂. Look at india's strategy and Nz strategy and look at ours. NZ by playing 2nd string against us bloomed mark Chapman and ravidra and darly Mitchell. Ironically Williamson is looking like the weak link in batting. Not saying Williamson is bad, it just shows how far NZ came and how good their preparation is, if all their batsmen are class and Williamson is now looking ordinary in the lineup.

We have babar the superstar, in reality our focus shpuld have been to cultivate 11 superstars or atleast 11 decent players.
 
Bro, you wont be able to have proper discussion anymore. There is a section of Pakistani fans that have gone crazy and want Pakistan to lose because their favourites did not get selected and they still dont understand that the players selected were the best ones available.

Which is why you fill find very less discussion on such topics and more of those childish posters coming in critisizing the thread and the topic....

Hassan Ali bowled well in the Australia warm up game. His economy was low, while Haris who was throwing pace in was smacked for 96 runs.

Hassan Ali's selection was good and made sense cause Hassan is still a good bowler, whether someone likes this fact or not. He bowls well, just needs little guidance and he can once again become the bowler he once was. Plus, when 3-4 frontline bowlers are injured, it only made sense that Hassan be bought back in.

The hyped up Arshad Iqbal couldn't pick wickets against HongKong.

Khair, OP i would like to apologies to you for all the immature fan brigade posters that will bash you for this thread.
 
Nikhil is the most positive dude on PP by far.

Interesting thread but I think the selection of Hassan is the actually the lack of professionalism coming back to bite us.

Had we employed a rotation policy and had a conveyor belt of bowlers with experience ready to go then we probably would not have selected Hassan and perhaps Naseem may not have been injured.
 
Major said:
Bro, you wont be able to have proper discussion anymore. There is a section of Pakistani fans that have gone crazy and want Pakistan to lose because their favourites did not get selected and they still dont understand that the players selected were the best ones available.

Which is why you fill find very less discussion on such topics and more of those childish posters coming in critisizing the thread and the topic....

Hassan Ali bowled well in the Australia warm up game. His economy was low, while Haris who was throwing pace in was smacked for 96 runs.

Hassan Ali's selection was good and made sense cause Hassan is still a good bowler, whether someone likes this fact or not. He bowls well, just needs little guidance and he can once again become the bowler he once was. Plus, when 3-4 frontline bowlers are injured, it only made sense that Hassan be bought back in.

The hyped up Arshad Iqbal couldn't pick wickets against HongKong.

Khair, OP i would like to apologies to you for all the immature fan brigade posters that will bash you for this thread.
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You won't learn. after the 6 or 7 losses don't cry about it.
 
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Major said:
Bro, you wont be able to have proper discussion anymore. There is a section of Pakistani fans that have gone crazy and want Pakistan to lose because their favourites did not get selected and they still dont understand that the players selected were the best ones available.

Which is why you fill find very less discussion on such topics and more of those childish posters coming in critisizing the thread and the topic....

Hassan Ali bowled well in the Australia warm up game. His economy was low, while Haris who was throwing pace in was smacked for 96 runs.

Hassan Ali's selection was good and made sense cause Hassan is still a good bowler, whether someone likes this fact or not. He bowls well, just needs little guidance and he can once again become the bowler he once was. Plus, when 3-4 frontline bowlers are injured, it only made sense that Hassan be bought back in.

The hyped up Arshad Iqbal couldn't pick wickets against HongKong.

Khair, OP i would like to apologies to you for all the immature fan brigade posters that will bash you for this thread.
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To be fair, Hasan Ali has bowled baldy in the past so skepticism is justified. But if anyone watched the warm up yesterday, Hasan's control of line and length was superior to both Shaheen and Haris. He bowled one ball that was short and Warner smashed him. But apart from that, he was absolutely spot on.

Clearly, the selection committee has seen that he is, at least with the new ball, bowling quite accurately and was the closest replacement to do Naseem's role. So it's a good decision.
 
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Just to add to my previous post I actually support the inclusion of Hassan but only due to the circumstances that we find ourself in.

The fact that he fell below the pecking order to bowlers like Ihsanullah, Hasnain, Dahani, Wasim Jr ( Hassan will play over him), zaman khan and Faheem Ashraff yet is still likely to be one of our three pacers playing.

I pray that Hassan succeeds and brings us success, but if he does then its success that cannot be attributed to professionalism!
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
Nikhil is the most positive dude on PP by far.

Interesting thread but I think the selection of Hassan is the actually the lack of professionalism coming back to bite us.

Had we employed a rotation policy and had a conveyor belt of bowlers with experience ready to go then we probably would not have selected Hassan and perhaps Naseem may not have been injured.
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That may be true from a workload management perspective but from a selection perspective, it is a good decision. Not sure if replays of warm up matches are available in the UK but watch his new ball spell. He has bowled maybe 1 bad ball out of 24. Everything else was tight to offstick and on a good length.

That's pretty much Naseem Shah level with new ball. Yet to be seen if he can do this in the middle overs or at the death.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
That may be true from a workload management perspective but from a selection perspective, it is a good decision. Not sure if replays of warm up matches are available in the UK but watch his new ball spell. He has bowled maybe 1 bad ball out of 24. Everything else was tight to offstick and on a good length.

That's pretty much Naseem Shah level with new ball. Yet to be seen if he can do this in the middle overs or at the death.
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I saw him bowling. You are right he did bowl ok upfront but you got the impression that a bad ball wasn't far away especially in later spells.
 
One expalnation is like for like replacement. New ball partner for Shaheen. Others lack experience with new ball. They have no choice but to select him.
 
I think this was a good decision. Hasan is the only few bowlers in Pakistan cricket who can swing the new ball early on. If he sticks to the right line & lengths, then he should be fine.
 
I have not the slightest doubt that this thread will be bumped several times during the tournament.

I am also confident that Hasan Ali will be sent to the cleaners very soon. Let's not get distracted by these warm-ups. Hasan has lost on average 5 kph as compared to his peak days and this is a lot for a short bowler.

By the way I hope I am wrong.
 
Many of us watched the game but I guess our perspectives or the conclusion we drew from it is different.

Hasan Ali bowled some containing balls but the attack as a whole has an awful look about it completely unable to take 10 wickets. I know you can not show Abrar too soon as he will get picked and analysed too soon but nevertheless we need to pin down the best 11. Three spinners who bowl inconsistent lines, are erratic and take the ball away from the right hander is very risky.

Death bowling is awful. It doesn’t matter that Hasan bowls a few good balls. The last 10 overs went for almost 100 runs. There is no containment here.

The wicket keeper is awful.

The batting was poor even ifti and babar were put down by lollipop bowling.

The whole match had a feel of men against boys. Australia were just playing with us in the end. I honestly thought Pat Cummins was going to go up and tickle Babar
 
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This could get really nasty for Hassan Ali. A part from the CT17 heroics he’s always been a liability in LOI’s.

If I was Babar I’d do everything I could to protect Hassan’s mental well being. Bowl his 10 overs up front, bowl him in the death overs and he’ll be watching the ball sail over his head.

Also, for the teams sake keep him away from long off, long on, 3rd man, fine leg, deep back point, deep point, deep extra cover, deep cover, deep mid wicket and deep square.
 
Major said:
Bro, you wont be able to have proper discussion anymore. There is a section of Pakistani fans that have gone crazy and want Pakistan to lose because their favourites did not get selected and they still dont understand that the players selected were the best ones available.

Which is why you fill find very less discussion on such topics and more of those childish posters coming in critisizing the thread and the topic....

Hassan Ali bowled well in the Australia warm up game. His economy was low, while Haris who was throwing pace in was smacked for 96 runs.

Hassan Ali's selection was good and made sense cause Hassan is still a good bowler, whether someone likes this fact or not. He bowls well, just needs little guidance and he can once again become the bowler he once was. Plus, when 3-4 frontline bowlers are injured, it only made sense that Hassan be bought back in.

The hyped up Arshad Iqbal couldn't pick wickets against HongKong.

Khair, OP i would like to apologies to you for all the immature fan brigade posters that will bash you for this thread.
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The players selected were not the best ones available. Stop looking from one end and singling out certain things.

Sheddy, Nawaz, Agha.

^^ These 3 are not the best available from our unit, it's not hard to surpass 2 allrounders who are worse then Nepal, nor is agha a high standard.

The selection was toothless, zero changes were made and no one was selected on actual merit.

When nepotisitm ends, when unfair selection criteria stops getting applied and when players are played in proper positions then the real fans will be back.

As I said, Pakistan have not actually played as a unit with a winning mentality since 2021. We lost to Australia in 2021 in SF, but who cares? We played like champions in that tournament, giving India a humiliation and making aus actually earn their victory over us, whereas now Australia is outright trolling us on warm ups.

Honestly I wonder where those foreign coaches in 2021 went, ik they only came for a single tournament but they were damn good, considering they came on the eve of misbah crippling us for the millionth time.

But as soon as the left after that cup, we're back to our old dark days again, mickey this time around has done nothing, either because he lacks control this time around, or because he isn't the same as 2016-2017 mickey.

Once Pakistan start playing like they did in 2017 CT and 2021 t20 world cup then ill support.

2022 Asia cup and 2022 t20 cup, that finals reach is a scam that is being celebrated. 2021 was better, much much better lol.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
This could get really nasty for Hassan Ali. A part from the CT17 heroics he’s always been a liability in LOI’s.

If I was Babar I’d do everything I could to protect Hassan’s mental well being. Bowl his 10 overs up front, bowl him in the death overs and he’ll be watching the ball sail over his head.

Also, for the teams sake keep him away from long off, long on, 3rd man, fine leg, deep back point, deep point, deep extra cover, deep cover, deep mid wicket and deep square.
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Also mid off, mid on, midwicket, cover, point, short third man, short fine leg.
 
Respectfully disagree with this take very strongly ahah but I hope I get proved wrong
 
With that being said I will say one thing.

Hasan Ali bowled well, credit should be given where credit is due.

^^ however this has nothing to do with the genuis of our management lol, this is the same management that randomly recalled Dhani as a replacement even though he wasn't in the selection camp to begin with. He wasn't a part of plans but somehow made it, idk what strings he pulled but it worked.

Hasan Ali bowled well but it's not because our selectors are genuis Level intellects, it's because their toothless, they didn't make any risky decisions, Their idea was to bring in a tied and tested horse, because another tried and tested horse in the form of faheem ashraf didn't work.

Faheem did the same, he comes back, bowls good for a few games then gets thrashed lol.


Whether hasan performs or not is irrelevant, management isn't selecting on merit or anything. What their doing is that if their selected crop doesn't work, then they'll just select from a past crop that's all. Aka still gutless selections and unwillingness to try something new.

This is what happens when you keep playing 1st strings. NZ via 2nd string cultivated mark chapman and darly mitchell and various others for their squad by 2nd string against us. We haven't cultivated anyone because we do not know who to cultivate since we didn't try anyone new.

We tried a new bunch for just one series and even though we failed, Saim came good, Tayyab looked good when he was on for short stints. But obviously that loss made management panic. NZ 2nd string got thrashed by us but they didn't care lol, cause it wasn't about winning or losing for them.

We panicked and didn't give our 2nd string more runs to be cultivated, and now posters here are stuck using excuses like


BROOOOOOOOO, THEY DONT HABE EXPERIENCE.

^^ yes I wonder why? Is it because we played 1st string and didn't try anyone new in 4 years? We tried new people once and then insta panicked? Jeez, wonder why NZ didn't insta panic when their 2nd string lost to us 4-1 lol.
 
Major said:
Bro, you wont be able to have proper discussion anymore. There is a section of Pakistani fans that have gone crazy and want Pakistan to lose because their favourites did not get selected and they still dont understand that the players selected were the best ones available.

Which is why you fill find very less discussion on such topics and more of those childish posters coming in critisizing the thread and the topic....

Hassan Ali bowled well in the Australia warm up game. His economy was low, while Haris who was throwing pace in was smacked for 96 runs.

Hassan Ali's selection was good and made sense cause Hassan is still a good bowler, whether someone likes this fact or not. He bowls well, just needs little guidance and he can once again become the bowler he once was. Plus, when 3-4 frontline bowlers are injured, it only made sense that Hassan be bought back in.

The hyped up Arshad Iqbal couldn't pick wickets against HongKong.

Khair, OP i would like to apologies to you for all the immature fan brigade posters that will bash you for this thread.
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The best available where?

Wasim JR is the best available?
Hassan Ali is the best available?
Mohammad Nawaz??
Shadab Khan???
Mohammad Rizwan?!?!?!?!?!

Who are you trying to fool here?
 
Rana said:
Let’s see where Pakistan hide him in the death overs
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This is gonna be a faheem ashraf repeat.

Faheem came back for a bit, bowled well, Everyone including me got fooled initially until it was back to same old same old lol.
 
mominsaigol said:
This is gonna be a faheem ashraf repeat.

Faheem came back for a bit, bowled well, Everyone including me got fooled initially until it was back to same old same old lol.
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We saw a decent Hassan Ali with the new ball

But then we saw the standard Hassan Ali in his second spell.

If he is picked, he has to bowl 6+ overs in a match. Then you can all thank Babar, Bradburn and Inzimam
 
Rana said:
We saw a decent Hassan Ali with the new ball

But then we saw the standard Hassan Ali in his second spell.

If he is picked, he has to bowl 6+ overs in a match. Then you can all thank Babar, Bradburn and Inzimam
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The problem is everyone uses the lack of experience excuse.

NZ didn't worry about getting thrashed when they played their 2nd string. By playing their 2nd string they blossomed chapman, ravindra and Darly mtichell into their 1st string. We played a 2nd string against afg but panicked cause management was more focused on outcomes and no 1 ranks. Don't know why those guys didn't get extended runs especially when in the 3rd t20, saim blossomed and thrashed everyone, singlehandedly bullied Afghanistan's 1st string.

What was even the point of that series when none of those guys are in the current squad lol?

This is what happens when you keep playing the same 1st string and the only change you make during injury, is recalling an old dead horse who was booted out for a reason. But alas THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE excuse.

Once again we waste 4 years, and in 2027 history will repeat.
 
mominsaigol said:
The problem is everyone uses the lack of experience excuse.

NZ didn't worry about getting thrashed when they played their 2nd string. By playing their 2nd string they blossomed chapman, ravindra and Darly mtichell into their 1st string. We played a 2nd string against afg but panicked cause management was more focused on outcomes and no 1 ranks. Don't know why those guys didn't get extended runs especially when in the 3rd t20, saim blossomed and thrashed everyone, singlehandedly bullied Afghanistan's 1st string.

What was even the point of that series when none of those guys are in the current squad lol?

This is what happens when you keep playing the same 1st string and the only change you make during injury, is recalling an old dead horse who was booted out for a reason. But alas THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE excuse.

Once again we waste 4 years, and in 2027 history will repeat.
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Matt Henry as well. Also Chad Bowes who will eventually come through for them. He was brilliant against Shaheen’s opening spell plenty of times.

So they basically found 5 decent first team cricketers whilst their entire main team was away playing IPL

Who have we found in the time available for us?
 
Rana said:
Matt Henry as well. Also Chad Bowes who will eventually come through for them. He was brilliant against Shaheen’s opening spell plenty of times.

So they basically found 5 decent first team cricketers whilst their entire main team was away playing IPL

Who have we found in the time available for us?
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We did find saim in the Afghanistan series. Tayyab during his short stints looked good although he didn't make use of his time and this team that we selected should have been the one playing the NZ 2nd string games.

It's just we discarded saim for his performance against afghanistan. We removed him selection and he's playing as our no 4 in t20 😂😂. Even at no 4 he showed babar and rizzu how to bat in t20, That 49 was class from him.
 
Abid Z said:
Many of us watched the game but I guess our perspectives or the conclusion we drew from it is different.

Hasan Ali bowled some containing balls but the attack as a whole has an awful look about it completely unable to take 10 wickets. I know you can not show Abrar too soon as he will get picked and analysed too soon but nevertheless we need to pin down the best 11. Three spinners who bowl inconsistent lines, are erratic and take the ball away from the right hander is very risky.

Death bowling is awful. It doesn’t matter that Hasan bowls a few good balls. The last 10 overs went for almost 100 runs. There is no containment here.

The wicket keeper is awful.

The batting was poor even ifti and babar were put down by lollipop bowling.

The whole match had a feel of men against boys. Australia were just playing with us in the end. I honestly thought Pat Cummins was going to go up and tickle Babar
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Respectfully disagree on some points, the rest I agree with.

If you're talking about haris as a WK I agree, but rizzu is a very very good WK, that's one of his strongest suits. In terms of keeping skills he's far superior to sarfi, Kami and Umar akmal as well as haris.
 
mominsaigol said:
The players selected were not the best ones available. Stop looking from one end and singling out certain things.

Sheddy, Nawaz, Agha.

^^ These 3 are not the best available from our unit, it's not hard to surpass 2 allrounders who are worse then Nepal, nor is agha a high standard.

The selection was toothless, zero changes were made and no one was selected on actual merit.

When nepotisitm ends, when unfair selection criteria stops getting applied and when players are played in proper positions then the real fans will be back.

As I said, Pakistan have not actually played as a unit with a winning mentality since 2021. We lost to Australia in 2021 in SF, but who cares? We played like champions in that tournament, giving India a humiliation and making aus actually earn their victory over us, whereas now Australia is outright trolling us on warm ups.

Honestly I wonder where those foreign coaches in 2021 went, ik they only came for a single tournament but they were damn good, considering they came on the eve of misbah crippling us for the millionth time.

But as soon as the left after that cup, we're back to our old dark days again, mickey this time around has done nothing, either because he lacks control this time around, or because he isn't the same as 2016-2017 mickey.

Once Pakistan start playing like they did in 2017 CT and 2021 t20 world cup then ill support.

2022 Asia cup and 2022 t20 cup, that finals reach is a scam that is being celebrated. 2021 was better, much much better lol.
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Salman agha has been with the team, he has been decent, there is no reason to drop him. Even if you drop him who would you replace him with?

Hassan ali came in because naseem, ihsanullah and hasnain are injured. Arshad iqbal and abbas afridi are still new and cant be just thrown in a world cup. Arshad failed to do anything in his t20 game against hong kong yesterday.

Shadab and nawaz, yes both havent bowled well. But lets look at this in depth.

To bring any bowler in the world cup squad that bowler needs to have some experience and not be making his debut or playing his 2nd or 3rd game in the world cup. Thus, any other spinner being bought in was risky. Even abrar ahmad is risky because abrar is slow in the air. Still he is in reserves.

You cant bring sufiyan muqeem cause the kid has no domestic experience proper. Imad wasim is just another nawaz.

Ideally, Abrar and zafar should had bowled earlier in the year. Now we had changes in pcb and selectors and this mess was made.

Bow the situation is such you cant experiment
 
Major said:
Salman agha has been with the team, he has been decent, there is no reason to drop him. Even if you drop him who would you replace him with?

Hassan ali came in because naseem, ihsanullah and hasnain are injured. Arshad iqbal and abbas afridi are still new and cant be just thrown in a world cup. Arshad failed to do anything in his t20 game against hong kong yesterday.

Shadab and nawaz, yes both havent bowled well. But lets look at this in depth.

To bring any bowler in the world cup squad that bowler needs to have some experience and not be making his debut or playing his 2nd or 3rd game in the world cup. Thus, any other spinner being bought in was risky. Even abrar ahmad is risky because abrar is slow in the air. Still he is in reserves.

You cant bring sufiyan muqeem cause the kid has no domestic experience proper. Imad wasim is just another nawaz.

Ideally, Abrar and zafar should had bowled earlier in the year. Now we had changes in pcb and selectors and this mess was made.

Bow the situation is such you cant experiment
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I would replace agha with tayyab who I consider as a proper middle order bat.

I agree about hasan Ali.

Actually I agree with you on all your points besides agha, you are 100% correct.

The issue I have with PCB is that we didn't take the NZ approach. NZ cultivated 5 players against us when they played their 2nd string, they didn't really care about getting thrashed 4-1 and nearly losing the 5th as well thanks to chacha magic.

We played a 2nd string against afg, Saim came into rhythm in the 3rd game, we needed to play this team against 2nd string NZ with just saud replacing azam.

The issue isn't that we didn't select from the best possible team, I agree you're correct on the matter, the issue is we panicked in traditional PCB fashion and didn't try anyone new in these 4 years.

NZ, India, Australia always find players not because these players are magically gifted (Minus a few like shubman gill) but because they play their 2nd string, those 2nd string eventually blossom into 1st string players. If you play a side of 11 2nd string players with maybe just 1 or 2 seniors being rotated here and their per series because its important to give seniors match practise as well, then some of those players will blossom, not all 11 will fail.

Remember babar azam in 2016 on his debut got lucky, he wasn't the player that he is now, neither was rizwan.

Babar couldn't rotate strike properly, nor could he hit sixes, besides his cover drive he was unsteady at the crease and his front foot and back foot were horrible. Rizwan was a clown at the crease when he debuted.

Now rizzu is consistent and plays the sweep very well, Babar is a natural at taking singles, he can hit sixes just fine and his front foot and back foot are great albeit backfoot needs work against spin.

Babar use to struggle to make 50 against Zimbabwe level bowlers, now he thrashes Smith like bowlers like theirs no tmr. He and rizzu improved because we played them In their positions and gave them an extended run.

The main issue lies with panicking and not continuing with our 2nd string, something NZ didn't do.

Otherwise I agree about squad selection given how poorly pcb managed us these 4 years.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
No doubt there were apprehensions about Hasan being selected but I must say kudos to Inzi, Bradburn and Bobby for backing Hasan .

Now Hasan is only bowling around 137 kph max. but what was most impressive in the warmups was the areas that Hasan bowled with the new ball. He has been the most accurate Pakistani seamer on show and has bowled only a good line/length and both NZ and OZ openers struggled to put him away.

It is very important for Hasan with his pace to not venture fuller and with his height(one of the lowest releases in the world) to not pitch short either. And he has not done either.

Could be just the spark Pakistan needed for a long campaign.
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I agree but not for the reasons you mentioned. What you’re mentioning is the output not the process.

It’s pretty clear that Bobby, Inzy didn’t or get carried away with the hype and picked a rookie like Zaman or Arshad Iqbal based on their T20 performances. @Major isn’t wrong. There is a lot of immaturity in fans.

Typically Pakistan has been known to take gambles before the WC more than any other team with mixed results.

This time they went with a bowler who regularly plays FC and test cricket. In ODI cricket, you need to know how to bowl long spells and survive for a 6 week tour physically and mentally.
Hassan Ali had also kept his head down, didn’t complain and focused on his long format bowling by playing FC, county and List A. He could have become a T20 merchant.
So the process in selecting him was ok. The only other bowler who had some credentials was Dahani. Dahani regularly plays List A and FC. He averages 24 in List A after 32 games. Not bad…He’s not a T20 merchant either. Those were the only 2 options.
Between the two, id’e have gone with Hassan Ali.
 
Farabi said:
I agree but not for the reasons you mentioned. What you’re mentioning is the output not the process.

It’s pretty clear that Bobby, Inzy didn’t or get carried away with the hype and picked a rookie like Zaman or Arshad Iqbal based on their T20 performances. @Major isn’t wrong. There is a lot of immaturity in fans.

Typically Pakistan has been known to take gambles before the WC more than any other team with mixed results.

This time they went with a bowler who regularly plays FC and test cricket. In ODI cricket, you need to know how to bowl long spells and survive for a 6 week tour physically and mentally.
Hassan Ali had also kept his head down, didn’t complain and focused on his long format bowling by playing FC, county and List A. He could have become a T20 merchant.
So the process in selecting him was ok. The only other bowler who had some credentials was Dahani. Dahani regularly plays List A and FC. He averages 24 in List A after 32 games. Not bad…He’s not a T20 merchant either. Those were the only 2 options.
Between the two, id’e have gone with Hassan Ali.
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I've changed my opinion and agree with major about squad selection.

But the issue lies in the fact that because MZ kept playing 2nd string against us, they cultivated 5 players into their first string.

We kept playing 1st string and ended up cultivating no one, so when an injury does happen, we usually are left with limited options.

We should have continued with our 2nd string side irrespective of results that we did against afghanistan. Saud shpuld have been in for azam,

But our 2nd string was badly needed in some series (not all you need to play 1st string for match practise obviously).

People forget babar and rizzu use to be weak players. Babar got lucky his outings were against Zimbabwe and west indies, he was weak against quality, the guy couldn't take singles properly, nor hit sixes and besides his cover drive, he was weak on back foot and front foot.

Now he's class with only a slight backfoot weakness against spin, same with rizzu, rizzu couldn't play spin, now his sweep shot is a treat to watch.

^^ These 2 got cultivated because babar got an extended run at 3, and rizzu got promoted and got am extended run up the order.

If we play a 2nd string of 11 players, not everyone will fail, and some will Blossom, the failures can be discarded and the ones that blossomed can be incorporated into the frontlines, rinse and repeat.

We have limited options because we gave ourselves limited options.
 
Hasan ali is a better odi bowler than Rauf.
I think Hasan will do well with the new ball, another reason why I rate Hasan higher is because he can actually bowl in test cricket too
 
mominsaigol said:
I've changed my opinion and agree with major about squad selection.

But the issue lies in the fact that because MZ kept playing 2nd string against us, they cultivated 5 players into their first string.

We kept playing 1st string and ended up cultivating no one, so when an injury does happen, we usually are left with limited options.

We should have continued with our 2nd string side irrespective of results that we did against afghanistan. Saud shpuld have been in for azam,

But our 2nd string was badly needed in some series (not all you need to play 1st string for match practise obviously).

People forget babar and rizzu use to be weak players. Babar got lucky his outings were against Zimbabwe and west indies, he was weak against quality, the guy couldn't take singles properly, nor hit sixes and besides his cover drive, he was weak on back foot and front foot.

Now he's class with only a slight backfoot weakness against spin, same with rizzu, rizzu couldn't play spin, now his sweep shot is a treat to watch.

^^ These 2 got cultivated because babar got an extended run at 3, and rizzu got promoted and got am extended run up the order.

If we play a 2nd string of 11 players, not everyone will fail, and some will Blossom, the failures can be discarded and the ones that blossomed can be incorporated into the frontlines, rinse and repeat.

We have limited options because we gave ourselves limited options.
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100% agree with this. We can just about put forward a credible 11 because of poor selections over the last 12 months. Sorry scratch that…we can just about make a solid 6/7 the rest have serious questions. So babar, riz, ifti, SSA, Rauf, imam are a solid core..the rest Fakhar, Shadab, Nawaz have a lot of questions about. Then of course you are into the bench. The reserve keeper is rubbish, the support bowlers are awful. No team can expect to win a competition like the World Cup with just the 11 players. They need to pick from a match ready squad of 15 players and we should have been preparing these 15 players. Teams like Australia, England, nz and India could have 6/7 players injured but still put out a world beating team. We should learn quick.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Hasan ali is a better odi bowler than Rauf.
I think Hasan will do well with the new ball, another reason why I rate Hasan higher is because he can actually bowl in test cricket too
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Hassan ali is all crap while bowling in death overs, he can be only utilized with a new balll else he will get thrashed badly.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Hasan ali is a better odi bowler than Rauf.
I think Hasan will do well with the new ball, another reason why I rate Hasan higher is because he can actually bowl in test cricket too
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Ah no. Hyperbole based on 2 warm up games
 
Whilst not as good as Naseem - Hassan Ali is still not a bad backup option
 
First thing first, there is no professionalism in Pak cricket at all.

Secondly, I just hope Hasan Ali can bowl as he bowled in CT 17. On his days he can be very good, but he has more bad days than good days. But overall he is a decent fielder and can hold the bat as well. When Naseem, Ihsanullah and Hasnain all are injured, I think he had to be selected.
 
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IAJ said:
First thing first, there is no professionalism in Pak cricket at all.

Secondly, I just hope Hasan Ali can bowl as he bowled in CT 17. On his days he can be very good, but he has more bad days than good days. But overall he is a decent fielder and can hold the bat as well. When Naseem, Ihsanullah and Hasnain all are injured, I think he had to be selected.
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This is a fair assessment. There was no better option available to replace Naseem and it was a wise decision by the management to go with Hasan Ali and he looked decent in the warmup games.
 
I thought this was a sarcastic thread title at first. I wouldn't call PCB professional still but Hassan Ali was a fair call regardless of how he performs. Not many other options out there due to heavy inexperience and a number of t20 merchants in the circuit.
 
Pakistan set a target of 287.

Hassan Ali should be the key today. has to take few wickets, To cancel out his batting failure
 
Kept up the line and length. Fear against better teams but tremendous in County this year
 
The problem is NZ cultivated 5 players by playing their 2nd string against us, all those 5 chads are now 1st string match winners for NZ in this world cup.

We keep playing 1st string and not innovating. We lack options because we gave ourselves no options lol.

We have not given saim ayub an extended run,

Fakhar, Imam and Babar being the top 3 since 2018 isn't a sign of world class goated selection standards. We persisted with these lads and now look what's happened? Our opening is a mess in this world cup lol. This is what happens when you don't try other people and keep your options open, if a player goes out of form, then your out of luck.

We should have given upcoming bowlers a long rope incase our trio got injured, not have them play since 2018 lol.
 
Hasan has bowled well. Still some loose leg side deliveries and his wickets are a good result for his hard work. Two points though come from this.

Firstly the selectors did well to bring him in. They didn’t have much choice but it shows that experience does count for a lot.

Secondly the other fast bowlers particularly shaheen has been awful. Not only has he gone for runs but he’s released any pressure that’s created so the captain had to bring in spinners earlier than he would have liked.

So it’s about control and pressure created by the whole bowling unit and the bowlers are really second rate. The odd good over by hasan counts for nothing.
 
Excellent selection from Babar. Always knew Hassan is the man for the job and he is proving it today.
 
mominsaigol said:
I mean, this lineup has old horses as well.

Thing is 2017 we introduced fresh faces.

Shadab was fresh, amir was new to his return and fresh, Fakhar was fresh, haris sohail had been sitting out for a long time and was fresh, imad waseem had only been playing for 6 months prior in mid 2016 and was fresh, malik was making his return and hadn't been playing more then a year, hasan Ali was new, Sarfi was just made captain so new leadership etc.

All our current players are dead tired horses besides saud.

All this lack of experience nonsense when it's these fresh faces that won you cups, these people think a fresh fast paced horse who lacks a bit of discipline but is rearing to go, is somehow worse then a tired horse who needs frequent water and sleep breaks on the eve of a tournament.

Wasim akram was brand new and gave us a winning spell in 1992 world cup lol, he was literally fully fresh and new.

Yes ik you can argue some players like abdulllah haven't come strong, and some players like usama should be performing better, usama takes wickets but his economy is a problem,

But the fact that you're playing old horses who are wither rigid to change their approach of play (Imam, Rizzu) or completly tried and tested end of rope players like sheddy, Nawaz, hasan Ali, Fakhar and we are magically going to win.

For new fresh blood you need experience to guide them, in 2017 that came in the form of hafeez and malik in the middle.

We don't need everyone experienced and at the end of their rope 😂😂😂😂. Look at india's strategy and Nz strategy and look at ours. NZ by playing 2nd string against us bloomed mark Chapman and ravidra and darly Mitchell. Ironically Williamson is looking like the weak link in batting. Not saying Williamson is bad, it just shows how far NZ came and how good their preparation is, if all their batsmen are class and Williamson is now looking ordinary in the lineup.

We have babar the superstar, in reality our focus shpuld have been to cultivate 11 superstars or atleast 11 decent players.
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Wasim was new ? He was almost 25-26. 7 years of experience.
 
Hasan Ali is doing okay, but he doesn’t pose a threat to the opposition. That’s the big difference between him and Naseem. Naseem gets you out and bowls in the channel at high pace, while Hasan seams the ball yet the batsman has to make a mistake to get out to him.
 
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At the moment hassan ali stands as the only bowler who is performing impressively and generating early swing.

I believe his inclusion in the squad has proven to be beneficial.
 
Yes I think Shaheen hasn't fired properly. Hasan is doing his job well.
 
SamNJ said:
Yes I think Shaheen hasn't fired properly. Hasan is doing his job well.
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He’s been bowling well but it’s going to be a disaster at some point

The Aussies or Saffers will take him down sooner rather than later
 
I've seen more devastating bowlers in club cricket. 80nph from 5"6 ain't winning you a WC.
 
A nothing bowler

Ganguly like pace is not going to trouble top teams.
 
Pakistanis are underrating him. Yes he is only 5'7" and peaking at 133 kph but that is an advantage! Shaheen and Rauf are quicker and taller and they were getting pulled for sixes from short of length by Hitman.

Hasan does not get pulled off that length by Rohit or batters like Mitchell Marsh because there's not enough pace and his trajectory is lower and batters can't get under the ball. Rohit couldn't pull him and Virat got out trying to pull him as well.

Rauf and Shaheen will get smashed if they don't bowl anything other than 6-8 m on good wickets with no swing. Hasan can bowl 6-10 m in length even as long as his line is alright because of this lack of pace/bounce. As long as he doesn't overpitch and doesn't try proper bouncers, he can't be hit all the time.
 
Hassan gets another chance against New Zealand. He needs to show the fire he had in CT17
 
Hassan has his 100th ODI wicket today. His comeback was not that elegant one but still he has been able to provide breakthroughs.
 
None of Hasan, Haris and Wasim can open the bowling in LOIs. Better to open the bowling with Ifti and bring them on later.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
He doesn't even bowl at 130 after first two overs.

Not just Hasan Ali, all Pakistani pacers will get thrashed all over the park in this World Cup.
Shaheen is only good with the new ball in the first 3 overs.
Rauf is gun barrel straight; he can't swing. The only variation he knows is the slow ball, and batsmen are already dispatching him out of the ground.
Wasim Jr. is not of international standard.
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My prediction was right about Pakistani pacers; they got thrashed all over the park in this World Cup.
 
Hassan Ali has been picked for the Pakistan test squad for the tour of Australia. This is what Wahab Riaz said when he was asked about his selection during the press conference after the squad announcement.

“Hasan Ali is an experienced bowler and we need a character of his like to stay with the team because it is otherwise an inexperienced side. He has performed well in county too so I am sure he will do justice to his selection. Mohammad Abbas is a good bowler and has done well in county cricket but we have kept in mind Australian conditions. There is more bounce and reverse there and hence, Hasan would do better there."
 
He's having a stinker in Australia:

Bowling average of 83.50 with just 2 wickets

Batting average of just 1 so far.
 
@Nikhil_cric is still stuck in 2017 whilst everyone else apart from the Pakistan management can see that he’s a 35 year old trundler who doesn’t look threatening as a bowler and can no longer contribute with the bat.
 
Hasan ali has been finished for a long time

But he did have one recent good series and that was against South africa in 2021

But imo he's not same bowler he's lost pace and can't bowl 90mph reverse or that 90mph indipper he had .

Needs to retire from intl cricket I think with arrival of jamal it will be probably be the end of him.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
@Nikhil_cric is still stuck in 2017 whilst everyone else apart from the Pakistan management can see that he’s a 35 year old trundler who doesn’t look threatening as a bowler and can no longer contribute with the bat.
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He was alright in the World Cup. Besides , Pakistan did not have too many choices. Hasan was actually bowling decent lengths .
 
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