The situation looks bad but let's look into the positives

[Bleedgreen4ever]

The coward NZ pullout was one of the most shameful in cricket history.

It has obviously damaged the PCB big time and only time will tell how much that damage is.

However compared to 2009, there is a massive difference in 2021

1.PCB is being handled by Ramiz Raja not an idiot like Ijaz Butt
2.The Pakistan government is much more proactive than it was in 2009 under Zardari
3.The coordination between PCB and the Pakistan government is excellent as compared to 2009.
4.We have two international leagues like KPL and PSL being held which serve as witness to the improving situation.
5.The situation in Pakistan is million times better, back in 2009 there were more than 50 militant groups against the corrupt Pakistan government of Zardari and co. Pakistan have had more than 3 million tourists every year since 2016 apart from the pandemic years.
6.The whole Pakistan and even many outside cricket fraternity is united that Pakistan is safe. Such a response was obviously absent in 2002 and 2009 given what happened.
7.NZ still have no credible evidence.


Let's hope for the best!

This decision makes me so happy that I supported ENG in the WC Final.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Even Ijaz Butt called Big 3 pig 3 and it didn’t make any difference so whining and shouting won’t make any difference esp when the govt is involved

 

[Major]

We get it, you don’t like Imran Khan and PTI, but you’ve failed to tell us how exactly is it the fault of Pakistan government? There was NO attack on the touring team, and there’s still no evidence of the “threat” being legit.

We were made promises by Imran khan that he will be bringing cricket back to Pakistan. We had heard that with Wasim Khan in PCB, we will have good relations with toher boards.

That bubbled popped.

We are in this mess because of involvement in Afghanistan. Countries think we are a threat. Infact, our govt nowadays is thinking about giving amnesty to TTP and allow them to coexist.

TTP is the real reason why security threats have existed in Pakistan.

 

[Major]

This decision makes me so happy that I supported ENG in the WC Final.

What does this have anything to do with the issue in hand?

Players didnt said we dont want to play Pakistan, it was from the gov that there is a threat.

If Pakistani govt tells our players in NZ that there is threat not to play a match, how would it be our players fault?

 

[Mamoon]

8. Today marks the end of the annoying adulation of New Zealand cricket / Williamson on this forum. They are no longer the “good guys”.

9. England are now legitimate winners of the 2019 World Cup. History shall be re-written and New Zealand will no longer be considered unlucky.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

We were made promises by Imran khan that he will be bringing cricket back to Pakistan. We had heard that with Wasim Khan in PCB, we will have good relations with toher boards.

That bubbled popped.

We are in this mess because of involvement in Afghanistan. Countries think we are a threat. Infact, our govt nowadays is thinking about giving amnesty to TTP and allow them to coexist.

TTP is the real reason why security threats have existed in Pakistan.

Cricket is back in Pakistan, have we been banned from hosting international games?

What does having good relations with NZC have to do with what happened today? It was NZ government who made the decision to call back their team, how do you expect PCB to convince NZC to ignore their government’s decision?

Nope, I don’t support the Taliban but we all know our western border is unlikely to be attacked by foreign proxies with the Afghan Taliban in control, how hard is that to understand?

 

[Mamoon]

10. Root will be considered a better batsman than Williamson on this forum from now on, even though he has always been superior. Williamson’s mediocre away record - and mediocre record against most top teams - will finally get noticed.

 

[RyanRyan10]

10. Root will be considered a better batsman than Williamson on this forum from now on, even though he has always been superior. Williamson’s mediocre away record - and mediocre record against most top teams - will finally get noticed.

Unfortunately Kohli won't benefit from this ��

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Even Ijaz Butt called Big 3 pig 3 and it didn’t make any difference so whining and shouting won’t make any difference esp when the govt is involved

Noone is whining. Ramiz Raja and WK are educated diplomatic people. I am pretty sure they can handle this situation better than what Butt did.

 

[moghul]

The coward NZ pullout was one of the most shameful in cricket history.

It has obviously damaged the PCB big time and only time will tell how much that damage is.

However compared to 2009, there is a massive difference in 2021

1.PCB is being handled by Ramiz Raja not an idiot like Ijaz Butt
2.The Pakistan government is much more proactive than it was in 2009 under Zardari
3.The coordination between PCB and the Pakistan government is excellent as compared to 2009.
4.We have two international leagues like KPL and PSL being held which serve as witness to the improving situation.
5.The situation in Pakistan is million times better, back in 2009 there were more than 50 militant groups against the corrupt Pakistan government of Zardari and co. Pakistan have had more than 3 million tourists every year since 2016 apart from the pandemic years.
6.The whole Pakistan and even many outside cricket fraternity is united that Pakistan is safe. Such a response was obviously absent in 2002 and 2009 given what happened.
7.NZ still have no credible evidence.


Let's hope for the best!

This decision makes me so happy that I supported ENG in the WC Final.

Nice post,

And, unlike 2009 , current regime in Afghanistan is not anti-Pakistan to say at least , they are also trying to portrait themselves as the peace loving ( Taliban and peace , sound sunny though ) , for their own benefit . They have no incentive to create trouble in Pakistan.

 

[Ab Fan]

I think NZC must provide some evidences regarding the security concern threat that they got. It is quite evident with their reactions and straightaway cancelling the tour that the threats were not something which could be ignored.

Let's be honest, NZ team came to Pakistan after a long time and the match looked all set to start on schedule as there were really no such security concerns over the last one month from the time the tour was decided but everything pulled out at the last moment. So, it clearly has got to do with some ridiculously powerful threats that NZ govt got in the early morning which forced them to straightaway pull out of the series.

I look forward to see NZ share some evidences or hints to justify their decision of fortfieting the series. The players security is utmost priority but they need to take the PCB under confidence for this decision.

 

[shujaatraza]

New Zealand are part of 5 eyes so unless other 4 members agree they cannot disclose intel details to Pakistan.

 

[ahsan17]

New Zealand are part of 5 eyes so unless other 4 members agree they cannot disclose intel details to Pakistan.

Well, UK high commission is already denying any involvement. So unless UK is completely not involved, this 5 eyes theory is looking shaky.

 

[Bewal Express]

We were made promises by Imran khan that he will be bringing cricket back to Pakistan. We had heard that with Wasim Khan in PCB, we will have good relations with toher boards.

That bubbled popped.

We are in this mess because of involvement in Afghanistan. Countries think we are a threat. Infact, our govt nowadays is thinking about giving amnesty to TTP and allow them to coexist.

TTP is the real reason why security threats have existed in Pakistan.

So did NZ tour when the Afg govt was in the hands of Americans and the Inds?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It pains me to say this, but there are no positives to be found in this incident.

It's truly heartbreaking.

 

[reversehook]

no positives.

this event has re-casted the seed of doubt in touring Pakistan, end of story...

watch england will wait a wee bit longer and a few days before their series will pull out aswell due to security and players not willing to risk lives... they are smart enough to not come to a hasty decision, to prevent any bad rep towards them...

 

[Itachi]

So.... NZ are the bad guys now lol....

Previously it was BCCI, CA....

When you see everyone as evil, may be..... Just may be..... The issue is within you perhaps?

 

[ahsan17]

So.... NZ are the bad guys now lol....

Previously it was BCCI, CA....

When you see everyone as evil, may be..... Just may be..... The issue is within you perhaps?

Who said everyone? BCCI is obvious. There's some logic behind NZC and CA being "bad guys", which you chose to completely overlook. It makes complete sense for your likes, because you completely overlooked the context and what happened, and just decided to make some non sensical argument. That's the only way to arrive at ridiculous arguments such as this.

 

[Itachi]

Who said everyone? BCCI is obvious. There's some logic behind NZC and CA being "bad guys", which you chose to completely overlook. It makes complete sense for your likes, because you completely overlooked the context and what happened, and just decided to make some non sensical argument. That's the only way to arrive at ridiculous arguments such as this.

Self victimization is also driven by logics/reasons based upon the frame of reference chosen by the entity/person but that doesn't mean that frame of reference is an universal one.

Its (my frame of reference) of no use to you because it doesn't portray what you trying to believe in.

Some ppers seems like living inside their own bubble and then complain later about how the world has ignored them.

Wake up. There was no way any top match would have happened in Pakistan. Those who believe otherwise are in denial. So instead of trying to reach the impossible only to get disappointed with self inflicted damage; Pakistan should try to take baby steps.

No way the normal cricket is returning to Pakistan any soon.

Facts don't care about feelings. It's better some ppers accept the way it is.

 

[ahsan17]

Self victimization is also driven by logics/reasons based upon the frame of reference chosen by the entity/person but that doesn't mean that frame of reference is an universal one.

Its (my frame of reference) of no use to you because it doesn't portray what you trying to believe in.

Some ppers seems like living inside their own bubble and then complain later about how the world has ignored them.

Wake up. There was no way any top match would have happened in Pakistan. Those who believe otherwise are in denial. So instead of trying to reach the impossible only to get disappointed with self inflicted damage; Pakistan should try to take baby steps.

No way the normal cricket is returning to Pakistan any soon.

Facts don't care about feelings. It's better some ppers accept the way it is.

Yes, any time someone is a victim they should see things from the perspective of the people that wronged them. Go on.

I can understand why you being an Indian are trying to be incredibly negative about Pakistan. People in Pakistan hear this kind of non sense from your kind every day. But that "no top match is happening in Pakistan" and the rest is your own drivel, your own feelings, not facts. Don't try to pass opinion as facts. It may take slightly longer now, but this isn't the 2009 type event that you are pretending to make it.

 

[PakLFC]

The only positive i can see is if the threat was real then no one got hurt.

 

[Itachi]

Yes, any time someone is a victim they should see things from the perspective of the people that wronged them. Go on.

I can understand why you being an Indian are trying to be incredibly negative about Pakistan. People in Pakistan hear this kind of non sense from your kind every day. But that "no top match is happening in Pakistan" and the rest is your own drivel, your own feelings, not facts. Don't try to pass opinion as facts. It may take slightly longer now, but this isn't the 2009 type event that you are pretending to make it.

What opinion?

Which match against any top team has been held in Pakistan for a decade?

Some match against Lahore qlanadars vs quetta gladiators may be a "top match" for you but for the rest of the world, it's not even a Tom, dick Harry match.

Pakistan should stop trying to organize matches against top teams since it won't happen anyway so that the financial damage could be minimized. This is going no where for PCB because same as you, PCB is under delusion that cricket can get back to Pakistan THIS QUICK.

 

[Snatch]

7.NZ still have no credible evidence.

How exactly do you know this? Do you work within top security intel circles?