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"The standard of wickets here I think has not been good for Test cricket" : Mickey Arthur

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Mickey Arthur at a presser today:

On the Azhar Ali catch issue and on whether he considered taking on ref again "It was quite easy, especially after the demerit points last week, so I made sure that Grant Luden held me back but to be fair, he wasnt 100% sure that he caught that so it was a little bit different to last week"

"We had a seam all-rounder like Faheem Ashraf but anyone who watched Yasir Sha's last 2 overs would see how much it turned and if we could get the spinner in the 4th day then a spinner would certainly be in it"

"We had seamers who toiled very hard today, I thought that in the first 2 hours we bowled particularly well"

"They did battle in terms of pace in their comeback spells but we toiled hard today"

"We controlled the run rate but unfortunately we didnt take wickets ; normally when you control the run rate and build pressure, the wickets normally take care of themselves, which they didnt"

"I thought Faf played particularly well, and Temba played well as wel"

"We went with 6 batsmen in the game; after Centurion we felt that we needed 6 batsmen and we thought that there was enough work there for 3 seamers"

"and we knew if we could take the game to deep, the spinner would come into it; because the wicket is fairly dry, and the spinner doesnt come into the game until Day 3 or 4 and obviously we need to take the game that far"

"When you setup strategy, you set it up as glass half-full strategy (optimistic) so that we would score enough first innings runs to bring the spinner into the game right at the back end of it"

"We have spoken a lot about 5 bowlers a lot; You can go with 5 bowlers or 4 bowlers and we went with 4 bowlers in this game and rightly or wrongly, it will play out in the end"

"I think this is a good crop of [South Africa] lads and again and the bowlers in South Africa's attack are outstanding"

"When you have 3 guys who are bowling at 145KpH+ and then you have Vernon who doesnt give you anything and challenges you with every ball, so its a very very good side"

"Elgar gets the job done and Markram will be a very good player for some time to come"

"They are a very good unit particularly in these conditions where the wickets suit them"

"The temperament that Faf showed through the day was outstanding"

"I am a little disappointed as I havent been back in South Africa in a coaching capacity since 2010 and the standard of wickets in Centurion and what we have here I think has not been good for Test cricket"

"With South Africa whenever you play a team from the sub-continent, you will always ask for a little bit of bounce and pace"

"I think both wickets have been very weighted in favour of the bowlers and obviously its homeground advantage so its fair"

"Being an opening batsman in South Africa at the moment is a tough gig"

"I just think its has been inconsistent and there were 7 stoppages today where the ball hit the batsmen"

"And I am talking about Day 2, I can understand if it gets to Day 4 and Day 5 as that's what happens in Test cricket"

"as the wicket deteriorates significantly and it should"

"But it shouldnt make the first innings a lottery and I still think that batting in the first innings is extremely tough"

"We though long and hard about playing 4 seamers here and we have got arguably the best spinner in Test cricket so we thought it was a no-brainer"

"And it did turn significantly in the last 20 mins today, and that's only Day 2"

"If we get to Day 4, then Yasir Shah plays a massive role for us; South Africa would say that probably with the uneven bounce and cracks opening up, if you are bowling at 145KpH it makes it pretty difficult to face as well"

"At that point we were looking at Tea time and give the quicks an extra time to come in full steam after Tea"

"Its just the extra bounce and our techniques have been exposed a little bit"

"We are still staying a little leg-side of the ball instead of trying to get a little offside of it and in these conditions, you got to be offside of the ball"

"Its tough to do as it goes against the grain of what our batsmen do normally"

"We spent 7 days in Benoni to get their [batsmen's] techniques better for the short ball because we knew that South Africa would come hard at them and that they would ball as many short balls they possibly could"

"And that has been the tactics against all sub-continental teams but we did work on it but extra bounce is something we need to cope with"

"In Centurion we got ourselves on 100/1 in innings #3, and if we had got 250 ahead then it would have been a very good game of cricket and I would have backed our bowlers so it was a missed opportunity at Centurion"
 
The DRS issues and the difficulty of the pitches have been factors in Pakistan's struggles in this series but these have been outside of their control. What they will rue the most is their batting, particularly as Mickey mentioned, in the third innings at Centurion, Pakistan had the opportunity to push the match into a winning position but they capitulated yet again - I don't think it is a technique issue, it's a Pakistani issue that seems engrained into their DNA. Not sure how it can be fixed.
 
Seems to me that Micky is contradicting himself a bit here and also bringing up a few false "points".

His strategies have been bad to non-existent in my opinion, unless he was overruled by the captain.
 
PCB must fire this guy. He is all excuses and rest of the time playing to the galleries.
 
Lots of talking from mickey, few excuses and no solutions :facepalm:
 
When you read the interview you wonder if Mickey is SA coach or Pak coach lol He is showering lot of praises for SA team.
 
It cannot be a poor (or unfair) pitch if one side is on 382/6. Challenging sure, but this is why it is called Test cricket.
 
Poor excuses used by Mickey, iirc the pitches which were dished out to India last year where a lot worse than these. I also remember the SA players not wanting to bat on the Jo'burg test match due to the bounce on the pitch?
 
Lots of excuses. We just aren't good enough.
 
Excuses....

I have been watching Micky's tactics in ODIs/Tests and one thing for sure with the test team selection and the tactics which got leaked few weeks ago, suggest that those tactics are very outdated. You may win a test or two with that but each condition/team requires players who can cope with it.

How can we win a test against SA when we select half fit Abbas and a 18yr old inexperienced pacer and expecting Yasir to be the trump card on SA pitches seriously?

Dear Mickey you got smacked by NZ/SL and barely won against Aus. I am for sure of this opinion is whatever you are trying with our test team isn't working...

His approach to the ODI game may be working for us but test we got no chance... I am not sure if its the players we have or the coach or the batting coach or Captain. Those who says captain is the problem I ask one thing today you bring Rizwan as keeper give him the same team and you tell me that we will win? NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN MILLION YEARS...

I believe its a mixture of lots of things... not selecting players from first class is the first, We can't be looking at half skilled players and expect them to win test matches... its a sorry state of affairs with our test setup very disappointing..
 
Mickey it would help you to start doing justice to proven domestic performers instead of persisting with failures like Imam, Shafiq and Sarfraz (yes he scored a fifty but threw his wicket away shamefully).

Unfortunately with a gap of eight months until the next Test series these failures will be forgotten and rehabilitated.
 
If we are to go by the domestic system, which bowlers should have been selected then? Junaid and Shinwari havent been very fit.
 
I mean I get somebody like Shastri wanting to hog the press each day and every day, but Mickey Arthur is supposed to be a professional coach. Why is he always talking to the media?
 
I mean I get somebody like Shastri wanting to hog the press each day and every day, but Mickey Arthur is supposed to be a professional coach. Why is he always talking to the media?

As Sarfraz's English is as bad as our batting.
 
Pitch is fine, we are rubbish. Stop making excuses.

No pitch is not find. Batsmen are being hit too many times. Yes, Pakistan have not batted well but then that does not make the pitch better.
 
I mean I get somebody like Shastri wanting to hog the press each day and every day, but Mickey Arthur is supposed to be a professional coach. Why is he always talking to the media?

When he does not come for press, people say he is hiding. Its good that he also comes out and speaks to the press.
 
No pitch is not find. Batsmen are being hit too many times. Yes, Pakistan have not batted well but then that does not make the pitch better.

If it’s an issue ICC will investigate. Both teams are playing on the same wicket. SA are scoring runs and look like picking up wickets. Shows that it can be done.
 
If it’s an issue ICC will investigate. Both teams are playing on the same wicket. SA are scoring runs and look like picking up wickets. Shows that it can be done.

Yes true but he is allowed an opinion.
 
When he does not come for press, people say he is hiding. Its good that he also comes out and speaks to the press.

He's paid to hide....and coach the team in the background. The front-end of the team - batsmen, bowlers and the captain should front up in press conferences. Arthur's interactions should be restricted to the odd tidbit here or there, an elaborate interview in a Pakistani print medium between series if need be, and if he's good over time, he can pen his thoughts in a book at the end of his career.

No other team's coach (except Shastri) will make it a habit to come out and take on fire from the media after Day 2 of a test match.
 
He's paid to hide....and coach the team in the background. The front-end of the team - batsmen, bowlers and the captain should front up in press conferences. Arthur's interactions should be restricted to the odd tidbit here or there, an elaborate interview in a Pakistani print medium between series if need be, and if he's good over time, he can pen his thoughts in a book at the end of his career.

No other team's coach (except Shastri) will make it a habit to come out and take on fire from the media after Day 2 of a test match.

Look bro in Pakistan things work differently. We dont have many players with good English and you dont want the wrong message to get through to the media.
 
Cape Town - Temba Bavuma has described the Newlands wicket in Cape Town as challenging, but not impossible to bat on.

The 28-year-old played a measured, well-crafted innings of 75 valuable runs on Friday as the Proteas took control of the second Test against Pakistan.

Having skittled their visitors for 177 on day one, South Africa are now sitting pretty at 382/6 with a healthy first innings lead of 205 that will surely end in victory over the next day or two.

Bavuma was one of four South Africans to raise his bat in the first innings with Aiden Markram (78), Quinton de Kock (55*) and captain Faf du Plessis (103) the other contributors.

Yet, at the end of the second day's play, Pakistan coach Mickey Arthur slammed the state of the Newlands surface, saying it was not good enough to host Test cricket.

Arthur's comments came at the routine press conference that follows every day's play, and just minutes after he had left the media centre, Bavuma arrived on South African press duty.

Given Arthur's stance, it didn't take long before Bavuma was asked to give his views on the strip.

"Yeah, it was challenging and a tricky wicket," he said.

"I think if I compare it to SuperSport Park, this wicket was a bit quicker - any deviation on the wicket was just a hard to adjust to.

"It's challenging but just not impossible."

Bavuma knuckled down to share a 156-run partnership with Du Plessis that, effectively, took the game away from the Pakistanis.

"It's one wicket as a batter that you have got to try and embrace, you have got to make peace with the fact that you're going to take a couple of balls on the body," Bavuma said.

"But at the end if you're able to come through, it'll be very satisfactory.

"I wouldn't call it dangerous at all. Faf and I are still living. It wasn't impossible to bat on."

Bavuma pointed to De Kock's knock, in particular, as one that showed how there will still runs to be scored despite it being a difficult surface to bat on.

De Kock brought up his 50 in just 59 balls and is set to continue the South African charge on Saturday morning.

"You have to apply yourself. A guy like Quinny came in today and made it look like he was batting on another strip and Aiden Markram did the same thing yesterday," Bavuma said.

"Everyone is using their conditions to their advantage and I don't think we should do anything different.

"We're playing at home and we know how to play at home."

https://m.sport24.co.za/Cricket/Proteas/bavuma-on-newlands-pitch-faf-and-i-are-still-living-20190104
 
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SA really have laid out some diabolical wickets lately. Uneven bounce on first three days is never a good thing.

They would still win against Asian teams without resorting to such tactics. This kind of Cricket is just unfair to batsmen.
 
This is the poorest SA batting side of the last 2 decades, pitch can't be all that bad if they have scored 400 runs against a team like Pakistan.
 
Can’t play on uae pitches moan about SA Aus pitches 1st class domestic pitches are not good.

Is there any pitch on this planet where these pathetic excuse of cricketers can perform on!!
 
Mickey's excuses list never ends.

At this point, he lost credibility in my eyes even if it is valid concern as it is THAT long list.
 
"Being an opening batsman in South Africa at the moment is a tough gig" - Pakistani Openers not at fault.

"We controlled the run rate but unfortunately we didnt take wickets - Bowlers not at fault

"We had a seam all-rounder like Faheem Ashraf but anyone who watched Yasir Sha's last 2 overs would see how much it turned and if we could get the spinner in the 4th day then a spinner would certainly be in it" - Micky not at fault for selecting yasir

and the spinner doesnt come into the game until Day 3 or 4 - It's not yasir's fault

"But it shouldnt make the first innings a lottery and I still think that batting in the first innings is extremely tough" - batsmen not at fault

"Its tough to do as it goes against the grain of what our batsmen do normally" - Another excuse for batsmen


Micky Arthur is an excuse generating genius :ma
 
The players have left him with no choice but to make excuses.
 
SA pitches have been life threatening recently by faf wants them that way.
 
The pitches have been shamelessly doctored to ensure that Pakistani batsmen have no chance. Faf himself admitted that he doesn’t mind such pitches even if his and his fellow batsmen’s averages go down.

We will see the flatter pitches again when England tours them.

SA has crossed all boundaries when it comes to pitch doctoring and I can’t wait to see them being offered dust bowls when they visit UAE. Additional request to the Dubai and ADH airports to not allow any zippers.
 
That’s also the reason their batsmen folded for IIRC 78 against a weak Sri Lanka and of course getting whitewashed. These guys are used to matches getting over in 3 days and spin never coming into play.
 
Poor excuses used by Mickey, iirc the pitches which were dished out to India last year where a lot worse than these.

Yes, Pitch was harder for Indian series. I feel it was a stupid decision because with such pitches you can lose despite having a better bowling unit for SA conditions. Thanks to AB, SA won otherwise series would have gone to India.
 
He's paid to hide....and coach the team in the background. The front-end of the team - batsmen, bowlers and the captain should front up in press conferences. Arthur's interactions should be restricted to the odd tidbit here or there, an elaborate interview in a Pakistani print medium between series if need be, and if he's good over time, he can pen his thoughts in a book at the end of his career.

No other team's coach (except Shastri) will make it a habit to come out and take on fire from the media after Day 2 of a test match.

It doesn't matter dude, coach speaking more with media is hardly a priority for them right now....
It could be worse, if the captain had come out and Said something that was lost in translation....
 
Arthur is making excuses for a below par performance . That picture of pitch in #23 is i think before start of Test .
 
When the opposition is racking up a score of 450+, the pitch excuse looks comical and absurd. Lol.

"We bat better abroad"

Statement of the millennium.
 
Mickey Arthur complaining about pitches in SA. Faf complaining about pitches and toss in lanka. Tim paine complaining about pitches in his own backyard. What a bunch of minnows they all behave like. :srini
 
Actually, pitches favouring the bowlers are exactly what Pakistan needed.

They can only win low-scoring matches outside Asia.

I see two problems.

1. The batsmen (who are mediocre to start with) are underdone in bouncy conditions because they arrived 3 weeks too late to adapt.

2. Playing Yasir plus 3 quicks has exhausted the quicks. Their pace is borderline to start off with, so losing 10K due to overwork is disastrous.
 
What do you expect the coach to say? He knows he doesn't have good enough players for these conditions. You can't expect him to throw them under the bus, when he knows it's not their fault
 
From as far back as I can remember, Mickey has been a whinger about pitches. I remember how he threw a proper tantrum in 2008 after losing the Kanpur tests. Now the circle is complete for him crying over pitches in his own country.

Can Mickey say, hand on heart, that Saffers didn't dish such pitches when he coached the Proteas? Especially when subcontinental teams toured? Did he ever air his views on such pitches then?
 
Now Philander hit on the hand as well - joke pitch.
 
The pitch doesn't have consistent bounce


Just see Azhar and Babar dismissals, such variable bounce isn't good. Good thing for South Africa is that we had medium pacers at our disposal. 130 Kph is easier to adjust compared 145 Kph tunderbolts.


We are poor team and we can't even win in UAE but pitches being poor had nothing to do with Pakistan team being an embarrassment.
 
Both teams scored at 3.5 one of them posted 400+, makes no sense complaining about the wicket. Welcome back to South Africa Mickey!
 
Very low and Azhar done by it - Expect more from Mickey on this
 
Its a difficult pitch to play on, but not unplayable. Also, not dangerous unlike the SA vs India one in the 3rd test.

If a team scores 400, then claims like these look ridiculous.
 
This is an easier pitch to bat on than the one at Centurion. All in all, it's made for interesting cricket. Arthur is making excuses like a man who is aware that fate is waiting around the corner with a sledgehammer in hand.
 
If pak scored 250, then definitely a 500 wkt. Likes of sarfraz should be sacked, Blaming pitch for pathetic performance. Ideal pitch... first morning is tricky before pitch settles, then slowly deteriorates over next 3 days. 5th day would of been turner... all pitches should b like this world over...
 
Barring Joel Wilson i am ok with this test match. Yes bounce a bit variable, but nothing too dangerous
 
SA 431
Pak 294

All talk about pitch for this match? Micky should have seen 3rd test between SA and India earlier.
 
So pakistan finally did well in last innings, another fact supporting the inclusion of more practice matches in tours to SeNa.
In another note:
Full credit to shastri for not allowing our players to cry about the pitches and conditions. Haaro par ro mat.
 
Pakistan has not been good enough and worst of all their selection of players has been shocking.
 
With pitches again taking centre stage in the South African summer‚ Gauteng Cricket Board chief executive Greg Fredericks gave assurances that the Wanderers surface would be without demons for Friday's third Test against Pakistan.

SA's premier cricket ground came under intense scrutiny because of its pitch during the third Test against India early last year.

The pitch had offered lavish seam movement through all four days and more importantly‚ inflicted serious physical damage on the batsmen because of inconsistent and excessively steep bounce.

The Test between the Proteas and India ended in four days but on the third evening‚ play was curtailed 19 minutes early because of the dangers posed by the strip.

The pitch was given a poor rating and earned three demerit points from the International Cricket Council.

The ground avoided an immediate ban but the three demerit points will linger over the stadium for the next four years.

Should the ground accrue another two demerit points in the 48 months‚ it'll be banned from hosting international cricket for a year.

However‚ the surfaces prepared for subsequent T20's and ODI's against India and the fourth Test against Australia at the end of March/early April behaved in a normal manner.

“It'll be a normal pitch but people tend to forget that after the India Test where we gave the guys the pitch they asked for‚ the pitch that was prepared for the Australia Test had no issues.

"But people can expect a normal pitch for Friday's Test‚” Fredericks said.

“We've taken note of what Pakistan coach Mickey Arthur has said but we've got no worries and no sleepless nights.

"We'll be having a pitch that'll be lasting for five days. It's going to be a wicket that's going to be fair to batsmen and bowlers.”

The pitches used at SuperSport Park and Newlands for the first two matches have been criticised by Arthur.

They offered a fair amount of movement‚ challenging both sets of batsmen. But it's been the bounce that has been disconcerting.

While the SuperSport Park pitch was graded average by the ICC‚ the highest team score was SA's first innings total of 223 while Shan Masood's 65 was the highest individual score.

The Newlands surface gave the Pakistan batsmen grief on day one where they were rolled for 177 just before tea‚ but the Proteas also had their struggles where the ball often misbehaved on a good length.

However‚ SA's first innings total of 431 contained a Faf du Plessis ton and 50's from Aiden Markram‚ Temba Bavuma and Quinton de Kock.

Fredericks‚ though‚ has the comfort of knowing the Wanderers pitch square has been on the good side this season.

The Highveld Lions' three home Four-day Franchise Series game at the ground have all produced results while bat and ball were equally rewarded.

In the Mzansi Super League‚ 170 was crossed in four of the six possible games there‚ including the tournament's highest team total.

“After last year‚ we decided that our guys will prepare the kind of pitches they want to prepare.

"We've had no instruction from anybody.

"However‚ we often say that if you produce 100 good pitches and one bad pitch‚ people are going to remember the bad pitch‚” Fredericks said.

“Our guys though are experienced and nobody knows the grounds better than them.”

https://www.timeslive.co.za/sport/c...a-and-pakistan-after-last-years-pitch-fiasco/
 
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