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what happened to power house? power failure? :uak

we get that sometimes here in Pakistan. That is why we keep generator with us :hasanali

Power wasn't going these days so we kept the generator in storage :hasan2
 
This is an embarrassing thread. We were never a powerhouse. We were just a good side at home and probably still are.

We are generally a complete minnow when we play away.
 
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This is an embarrassing thread. We were never a powerhouse. We were just a good side at home and probably still are.

We are generally a complete minnow when we play away.

this is kind of crap that gets people mad.... bangaladesh is a good team, improving all the time but this post is preciesly they dont get the international fan base like other teams... a few game wins here n there and suddenly these kinds of posts jump up ..
 
Forever minnows... Its funny to see the Bangladeshi fans get more and more hope and then have their hopes crash and burn in an extraordinary manner. Hilarious team :)))
 
bangladesh can quickly become a powerhouse in cricket.

all that needs to be done, is create a two tier system, and put bangladesh with the rest of the minnows, where they belong.

they will then become a cricketing powerhouse of their division.
 
bangladesh can quickly become a powerhouse in cricket.

all that needs to be done, is create a two tier system, and put bangladesh with the rest of the minnows, where they belong.

they will then become a cricketing powerhouse of their division.

:))

This is Brutal!
 
Powerhouse....u mean in limited formats? surely, u donot mean in TC.....i mean BD is a decent team in TC in asian conditions.....i guess could run india/pak/sl close if played in BD/dubai/india etc....or maybe even win a few test or so...but given overseas condtions -its a different story.
limited overs cricket -yes, they've improved heaps, there is a pace bowling culture developing, my fellow indian friend who does voluntary work in BD says lot of talent coming thru in their college / univ level systems and surely that will be a good feeder to limited overs cricket and hopefully to tc...wishing bd al lthe very best from an indian fan...cheers
 
bangladesh can quickly become a powerhouse in cricket.

all that needs to be done, is create a two tier system, and put bangladesh with the rest of the minnows, where they belong.

they will then become a cricketing powerhouse of their division.

this is going to cause some serious ripples lol ....
 
No. He is right technically.

But, ICC will probably not get two-tier system. There are not enough teams yet.

They could if Zimbabwe was around. Grouping with Ireland and Afghanistan is pointless, since they barely play tests anyway.
 
They could if Zimbabwe was around. Grouping with Ireland and Afghanistan is pointless, since they barely play tests anyway.

I am actually all for 2-tier system. It can make things more interesting. Teams at the bottom (1st tier) will have incentives to avoid relegation. Teams at tier 2 will have incentives to get promoted.

2-tier system will probably not be good for teams like SL and West Indies. They may get relegated frequently.
 
I am actually all for 2-tier system. It can make things more interesting. Teams at the bottom (1st tier) will have incentives to avoid relegation. Teams at tier 2 will have incentives to get promoted.

2-tier system will probably not be good for teams like SL and West Indies. They may get relegated frequently.

SL isn't going anywhere, they're still a top tier test team. Only only place they struggle are India and Australia. They're good everywhere else.

If tier system is introduced, Bangladesh will only be playing Ire and Afg, and maybe WI.
 
SL isn't going anywhere, they're still a top tier test team. Only only place they struggle are India and Australia. They're good everywhere else.

If tier system is introduced, Bangladesh will only be playing Ire and Afg, and maybe WI.

Well, the goal of 2-tier system is to have a promotion-relegation system. That means, bottom team from tier 1 gets relegated and top team from tier 2 gets promoted. Otherwise, no point.

These are all hypothetical though. Don't think ICC will do that. There is a Test championship now.
 
Forget about being powerhouse.

First do the basics right. Beat Afghanistan first.

This type of thread is embarrassing.
 
Bangladesh has upped in the ante in its quest for a quality leg-spin bowler, with two domestic first-class coaches sacked for not fielding one in the National Cricket League.

The unusual requirement was introduced as Bangladesh desperately look for a decent leggie for their national team as it struggles in international cricket.

The lack of domestic match practice for batsmen against leg spin was also laid bare as Afghan wizard Rashid Khan tore apart Bangladesh in the recent series.

The Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) confirmed on Friday that two coaches had been withdrawn for not following instructions.

Dhaka failed to field leg-spinner Jubair Hossain while Khulna ignored Rishad Hossain in their recent first-round domestic matches.

"We had given clear instructions to play leg-spinners in the NCL, but neither [...] was picked in the starting eleven," board president Nazmul Hassan told reporters on Thursday.

"We have to give them game time. How can they improve otherwise?"

Chittagong and Dhaka Metropolis both followed the board's edict and debuted leg-spinners Minhajul Abedin and Aminul Islam in the eight-team NCL.

Hassan said the board will also make it mandatory for teams to play leg-spinners in the forthcoming Bangladesh Premier League Twenty20 tournament.

"They (teams) must have a leg-spinner in the squad and if he is a local he must be picked in the best XI," said Hassan.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1511544/bangladesh-sacks-coaches-for-not-playing-leg-spinners
 
DHAKA: In a stinging retort to the BCB’s new rule that legspinners must bowl four overs in every innings of the Bangladesh Premier League, Shakib Al Hasan has said that the T20 league cannot be expected to “make” players. He also drew attention to the poor pay structure and training facilities in the country’s domestic set-up.

Of late the BCB has been stressing on the importance of legspin, so much so that it even fired two National Cricket League (NCL) coaches last week for not selecting legspinners in their respective first-class teams.

“I think that legspinners should bowl a lot of overs in first-class cricket to gain confidence and consistency,” Shakib told the Bengali daily Samakal. “The BPL is an international-standard competitive tournament where you will face scenarios that you are likely to face in international cricket. You share the dressing room with overseas cricketers. It is not the place to make a player.

“For so many years we couldn’t select a legspinner for the senior team, but suddenly we made plans to include seven legspinners in the BPL. This decision does come as a bit of a surprise, but I would still state that the board has taken a decision that it thinks is good.”

Shakib also criticised the lack of increments in the salary of domestic cricketers, calling for better communication between players and “decision-makers”. He also expressed dissatisfaction about the fact that the BPL is no longer a franchise-run event, which means player payments are expected to be lower than before. The cash-rich Dhaka Premier League (DPL), which for four decades had operated with players transferred from club to club in an open market, also now has heavy caps and a draft in place to help clubs cut player payments.

“[First-class match fees] is very unacceptable,” Shakib said. “It is a very small amount for a cricketer to maintain the minimum standard of living in Bangladesh. Things are getting costlier. Government officers get increments every year, but we see that it is same for us every time. It even gets reduced. BPL and DPL are big examples of this.

“I always get a feeling that cricketers in our country are being suppressed. This is not right. Everyone should have equal opportunity. A player should be left to earn what he feels he deserves. If the team doesn’t want to take the player at that payment, the player will deal with it. But to stop him from [freely naming his price] is not right.

“If the decision-makers don’t think that they need to sit with us, then we don’t have much to do. I think that discussion with players or a group of players will help cricket’s development. But I am glad that they are focused on cricket development. Like, the concern shown towards fitness, although they could have announced it earlier. Papon bhai (Nazmul Hassan, the BCB president) did say that fitness tests will become tougher but they will announce it earlier.”

Shakib also drew attention to the indoor facilities in Mirpur, where batsmen struggle while training during the summer months due to the lack of air-conditioning.

“Only focusing on the national team shouldn’t be the main job of the organisers. Places like Chittagong, Rajshahi, Khulna and Sylhet should have a proper gym, running and indoor facilities. You cannot bat for more than 15 minutes in the Mirpur indoor facilities, because it gets so hot. They haven’t installed ACs even after being told for ten years.

“It is quite disappointing, especially when we see indoors in other countries that have clear lighting and ACs.”

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/10/19/shakib-al-hasan-slams-mandatory-legspinners-rule/
 
Giving a seriously tough fight to India in their own home so far, despite not being without some of their top players like world number one allrounder shakib and fiery opener tamim. Hopefully, Bangladesh goes on to win this match and therefore the series to clarify they are no more good competitors who can pull few upsets but an actual powerhouse in cricket.
 
Giving a seriously tough fight to India in their own home so far, despite not being without some of their top players like world number one allrounder shakib and fiery opener tamim. Hopefully, Bangladesh goes on to win this match and therefore the series to clarify they are no more good competitors who can pull few upsets but an actual powerhouse in cricket.

Tamim is a terrible T20 batsman, possibly the worst in Bangladesh team.
 
BD are still far from a good side. Not much has changed, still there at 7-8, a few upsets here and there and gives competition to 6th- 7th best team on occasions. But as long as they dont establish themselves as major contenders for a silverware or beat most teams at home in tests, they will remain below the top 6-7 teams.
 
BD are still far from a good side. Not much has changed, still there at 7-8, a few upsets here and there and gives competition to 6th- 7th best team on occasions. But as long as they dont establish themselves as major contenders for a silverware or beat most teams at home in tests, they will remain below the top 6-7 teams.

Correct.

In my honest opinion, BD are currently #8 in the world. They are on par with West Indies. West Indies lost home and away to BD recently; therefore, I put them slightly ahead of WI.

They also finished at #8 in the World Cup.
 
immature thread.. still cannot win games...need to win consistently at home first and then win a few matches abroad. Not a lot of test match victories against top 5-6 teams.....Even lost to Afghanistan at home.
Afghans will become powerhouse before BD does.
 
India currently 123/3 but most importantly, Virat Kohli, who had taken break from LOI to focus on test cricket has been dismissed for a second ball duck in his own backyard by a bangladeshi rookie Abu Jayed who has international experience of only 6 test matches!!!
 
India currently 123/3 but most importantly, Virat Kohli, who had taken break from LOI to focus on test cricket has been dismissed for a second ball duck in his own backyard by a bangladeshi rookie Abu Jayed who has international experience of only 6 test matches!!!

And India is 493/6 (114.0)


Kohli never specifically took a break from LOI's to "focus on tests", if he did he wouldn't average 60 and 50 respectively. He just skips games not worth his calibre.
 
bangladesh can quickly become a powerhouse in cricket.

all that needs to be done, is create a two tier system, and put bangladesh with the rest of the minnows, where they belong.

they will then become a cricketing powerhouse of their division.

:))

This is Brutal!

this is going to cause some serious ripples lol ....

No. He is right technically.

But, ICC will probably not get two-tier system. There are not enough teams yet.

They could if Zimbabwe was around. Grouping with Ireland and Afghanistan is pointless, since they barely play tests anyway.

A two-tier system in Tests is sorely needed. With more and more LOIs being played, there simply isn't enough time for the top teams to play the weaker teams.

Currently ICC has 12 Test playing teams and the most logical thing to do would be to divide the teams into two groups of 6 each.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test

Following the rankings, the top tier would be India, New Zealand, England, South Africa, Australia and Sri Lanka. The second tier would be Pakistan, WI, Bangladesh, Afg, Zimb and Ireland.

After a 4 year cycle (one home and one away series), the bottom team of the top tier should be demoted to the second tier, and the top team of the second tier promoted to the top tier. It is rather meaningless for India to be playing WI or Bangladesh at home when they comprehensively destroyed SA at home.
 
India currently 123/3 but most importantly, Virat Kohli, who had taken break from LOI to focus on test cricket has been dismissed for a second ball duck in his own backyard by a bangladeshi rookie Abu Jayed who has international experience of only 6 test matches!!!

You should have waited a bit before posting this.
 
A two-tier system in Tests is sorely needed. With more and more LOIs being played, there simply isn't enough time for the top teams to play the weaker teams.

Currently ICC has 12 Test playing teams and the most logical thing to do would be to divide the teams into two groups of 6 each.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test

Following the rankings, the top tier would be India, New Zealand, England, South Africa, Australia and Sri Lanka. The second tier would be Pakistan, WI, Bangladesh, Afg, Zimb and Ireland.

After a 4 year cycle (one home and one away series), the bottom team of the top tier should be demoted to the second tier, and the top team of the second tier promoted to the top tier. It is rather meaningless for India to be playing WI or Bangladesh at home when they comprehensively destroyed SA at home.

Top tier should have 7 and bottom tier should have 5 so that each team plays an even amount of home and away series in each cycle.

None of the top cricket boards will risk coming last and having to play against the weaker teams for 2 years, so I propose a better scenario:

Top tier

India
New Zealand
Australia
England
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Pakistan

Bottom tier

WI
Bangladesh
Afghanistan
Ireland
Zimbabwe

Every cycle is 2 years (how it is right now) In each tier, each team plays the other every cycle. The home/away teams switch every cycle. For example, if in this cycle Pakistan was to face India, New Zealand and Sri Lanka away, in the next cycle they'd face these teams at home.

The point scoring system should continue as it is because there is no better solution, we cannot convince boards to standardize 3 test series, they'll never agree.

I believe promotion and demotion should exist, but as I said before the boards will never agree to simply have the last place from the top tier and first place from the bottom tier to switch spots, because this guarantees that one team will always be demoted.

Instead, the last place team from the top tier should face the winner of the bottom tier. For example, going by current rankings, the match would be Pakistan(top tier) vs WI (bottom tier), whoever wins this match gets to be in the top tier. If Pakistan win, they stay in the top tier but if WI win they get promoted to the top tier. The top tier team only has to draw. This is something the ICC can get the boards to agree to, as if you come last in your tier and then also lose to a team from the lower tier, you most definitely deserve to be demoted, and the other team definitely deserves to be promoted.

In my opinion this is the best system we can have taking into account the reluctance of the boards.
 
Top tier should have 7 and bottom tier should have 5 so that each team plays an even amount of home and away series in each cycle.

None of the top cricket boards will risk coming last and having to play against the weaker teams for 2 years, so I propose a better scenario:

Top tier

India
New Zealand
Australia
England
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Pakistan

Bottom tier

WI
Bangladesh
Afghanistan
Ireland
Zimbabwe

Every cycle is 2 years (how it is right now) In each tier, each team plays the other every cycle. The home/away teams switch every cycle. For example, if in this cycle Pakistan was to face India, New Zealand and Sri Lanka away, in the next cycle they'd face these teams at home.

The point scoring system should continue as it is because there is no better solution, we cannot convince boards to standardize 3 test series, they'll never agree.

I believe promotion and demotion should exist, but as I said before the boards will never agree to simply have the last place from the top tier and first place from the bottom tier to switch spots, because this guarantees that one team will always be demoted.

Instead, the last place team from the top tier should face the winner of the bottom tier. For example, going by current rankings, the match would be Pakistan(top tier) vs WI (bottom tier), whoever wins this match gets to be in the top tier. If Pakistan win, they stay in the top tier but if WI win they get promoted to the top tier. The top tier team only has to draw. This is something the ICC can get the boards to agree to, as if you come last in your tier and then also lose to a team from the lower tier, you most definitely deserve to be demoted, and the other team definitely deserves to be promoted.

In my opinion this is the best system we can have taking into account the reluctance of the boards.

There is absolutely no reason for a 7+5 split, just to keep the border line minnows PAK among the top group. The irony of your post started with your post at the start “.... top cricket boards.....” have you checked the FTP by any chance?

I am all for two tier system in a 4 year cycle with top from bottom tier promoted and bottom of top tier relegated.
 
There is absolutely no reason for a 7+5 split, just to keep the border line minnows PAK among the top group. The irony of your post started with your post at the start “.... top cricket boards.....” have you checked the FTP by any chance?

I am all for two tier system in a 4 year cycle with top from bottom tier promoted and bottom of top tier relegated.
Neither West Indies nor Pakistan deserve to be clubbed alongside poor teams like Bangladesh or Afghanistan. They have the ability to win tests abroad, which cannot be said about any of the other teams proposed in Tier 2. Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe should play associate level first-class cricket, as they simply don't belong at the Test level.
 
A two-tier system in Tests is sorely needed. With more and more LOIs being played, there simply isn't enough time for the top teams to play the weaker teams.

Currently ICC has 12 Test playing teams and the most logical thing to do would be to divide the teams into two groups of 6 each.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test

Following the rankings, the top tier would be India, New Zealand, England, South Africa, Australia and Sri Lanka. The second tier would be Pakistan, WI, Bangladesh, Afg, Zimb and Ireland.

After a 4 year cycle (one home and one away series), the bottom team of the top tier should be demoted to the second tier, and the top team of the second tier promoted to the top tier. It is rather meaningless for India to be playing WI or Bangladesh at home when they comprehensively destroyed SA at home.

Test match stats will become useless and so will the statistical history unless you are suggesting that the matches between lower ranked teams shouldnt be having test status.

Imagine top player like Babar Azam destroying all records by piling piles and piles of runs against Afg, Ireland Zim.

Tier system will never work in Test cricket unless everyone is willing to forgo its history and stats associated with it.
 
Neither West Indies nor Pakistan deserve to be clubbed alongside poor teams like Bangladesh or Afghanistan. They have the ability to win tests abroad, which cannot be said about any of the other teams proposed in Tier 2. Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe should play associate level first-class cricket, as they simply don't belong at the Test level.


Keep low profile bro - you team is travelling Australia. Ranking or rating or clubbing isn’t done on “ability”, or “talunt”, in that scale .... you are running 12-0 in AUS, 6-0 in SAF and 2-0 in NZ; only that bubble of ENG tour will be over in six months. And, that ability includes a Test loss against Mughabe’s ZIM.

There are 12 teams, if it’s to happen two tier, the split will be 6+6 and one relegated/promoted in every cycle. No one is entitled here.
 
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Bangladesh can’t really be judged off this series. They are not a great test side but India are just far too strong at home.
 
Neither West Indies nor Pakistan deserve to be clubbed alongside poor teams like Bangladesh or Afghanistan. They have the ability to win tests abroad, which cannot be said about any of the other teams proposed in Tier 2. Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe should play associate level first-class cricket, as they simply don't belong at the Test level.

Other than Sri Lanka and West Indies who can we beat away from home lol? Draws with England is nothing to do banghra over.

We can’t complain if we are in a 2nd tier in 2 tier system.
 
Keep low profile bro - you team is travelling Australia. Ranking or rating or clubbing isn’t done on “ability”, or “talunt”, in that scale .... you are running 12-0 in AUS, 6-0 in SAF and 2-0 in NZ; only that bubble of ENG tour will be over in six months. And, that ability includes a Test loss against Mughabe’s ZIM.

There are 12 teams, if it’s to happen two tier, the split will be 6+6 and one relegated/promoted in every cycle. No one is entitled here.
We are rubbish comparatively, but a level above the likes of Bangladesh and Afghanistan. They barely qualify as Test teams. A two-tier system will be useless as one of Sri Lanka, Pakistan or West Indies will end up playing associate level teams all year, which will be further detrimental to their progress aswell.
 
Keep low profile bro - you team is travelling Australia. Ranking or rating or clubbing isn’t done on “ability”, or “talunt”, in that scale .... you are running 12-0 in AUS, 6-0 in SAF and 2-0 in NZ; only that bubble of ENG tour will be over in six months. And, that ability includes a Test loss against Mughabe’s ZIM.

There are 12 teams, if it’s to happen two tier, the split will be 6+6 and one relegated/promoted in every cycle. No one is entitled here.

I think this is going to be their best Aus tour since 1995-1996, I see a drawn series.
 
We are rubbish comparatively, but a level above the likes of Bangladesh and Afghanistan. They barely qualify as Test teams. A two-tier system will be useless as one of Sri Lanka, Pakistan or West Indies will end up playing associate level teams all year, which will be further detrimental to their progress aswell.

I am telling exactly same - you are rubbish, and don’t deserve any privilege. If there is a spilt it has to be on a logic. Indeed the teams dropped to bottom tier (though not sure why you are clubbing SRL with PAK, entitlement is quite ripe here - they have blanked you 2-0 in UAE and won 2-0 in SAF, don’t deserve this humiliation), their progress might be dented, but you have to think other way also - how can the bottom tier teams improve playing with minnows only?

That’s why I said it’s quite logical for a 6+6 split with relegation & promotion - if PAK has it, indeed they’ll earn the right to progress to top tier - on own credit and on playing merit; not as a favour.
 
I think this is going to be their best Aus tour since 1995-1996, I see a drawn series.

We are getting beaten black and blue. Our bowlers lack the experience for the conditions and our batters don’t have the mentality to score enough in Australia. Hopefully Babar has a good tour though.
 
I think this is going to be their best Aus tour since 1995-1996, I see a drawn series.


Could be, but before that, if I were, I would have kept collars down. Ian Chappell wasn’t that sober last time.

Look, I know exactly where Test cricket stands and relative position of the teams - but, I won’t take cheap talks from unworthy arrogance, no one is entitled here. If there has to be tier, it has to be on merit and result. Have seen enough.....
 
Test match stats will become useless and so will the statistical history unless you are suggesting that the matches between lower ranked teams shouldnt be having test status.

Imagine top player like Babar Azam destroying all records by piling piles and piles of runs against Afg, Ireland Zim.

Tier system will never work in Test cricket unless everyone is willing to forgo its history and stats associated with it.


Babar Azam can indeed pile up some record, though he has to fix few numbers in coming AUS, SRL series first - but what you are saying doesn’t sound logical. If you think to keep Babar below Bradman’s level, the split has to done accordingly, then ICC has to think about protecting Sir Gary as well ... I guess, you have got the clue.

Tier can only be acceptable if there is a balance and merit based promotion/demotion. That that’s based on cricket on field, not talunt on blogs ...
 
Keep low profile bro - you team is travelling Australia. Ranking or rating or clubbing isn’t done on “ability”, or “talunt”, in that scale .... you are running 12-0 in AUS, 6-0 in SAF and 2-0 in NZ; only that bubble of ENG tour will be over in six months. And, that ability includes a Test loss against Mughabe’s ZIM.

There are 12 teams, if it’s to happen two tier, the split will be 6+6 and one relegated/promoted in every cycle. No one is entitled here.

Agreed. If there is a tier system , top 6 teams - IND, OZ, NZ, ENG , SA, SL should form tier 1. No need to make it 7 teams just to include the 7th ranked team. :facepalm: Makes no sense.
 
I literally just said they are not a great test side in the same sentence.

You're acting like they're a decent team but India is just too strong at home, this explanation could be used for all sides rated 2-5 as well, but clearly they are not even close to that, they are not a decent side at all.
 
Agreed. If there is a tier system , top 6 teams - IND, OZ, NZ, ENG , SA, SL should form tier 1. No need to make it 7 teams just to include the 7th ranked team. :facepalm: Makes no sense.

And add to that - 10 home and away series, after that, best team gets promoted. I would have taken the love affair with WIN, had they avoided 0-2 in their last tour to BD, but sometimes you need to remind delusional people that time changes ...
 
I am telling exactly same - you are rubbish, and don’t deserve any privilege. If there is a spilt it has to be on a logic. Indeed the teams dropped to bottom tier (though not sure why you are clubbing SRL with PAK, entitlement is quite ripe here - they have blanked you 2-0 in UAE and won 2-0 in SAF, don’t deserve this humiliation), their progress might be dented, but you have to think other way also - how can the bottom tier teams improve playing with minnows only?

That’s why I said it’s quite logical for a 6+6 split with relegation & promotion - if PAK has it, indeed they’ll earn the right to progress to top tier - on own credit and on playing merit; not as a favour.
Sri Lanka did indeed have a wonderful year in test cricket, but they are marginally better than us or the Wesr Indies. The way New Zealand bashed them by an innings at home shows they still have some way to go before they are in the elite tier. We'll know soon enough anyway. There is a series round the corner, so it would have been better had you not just written that humiliation part. Might end up backfiring like that confident WC prediction of yours :))

Nah, I personally don't see Bangladesh improving much in the near future, if they haven't done so after so long and so many opportunities. Afghanistan is new and have the potential, but we'll have to wait and see. Ireland and Zimbabwe have no chance sorry.

The fact is, Pakistan or West Indies have no business playing associate level teams. I don't believe the two tier system would work in Test cricket.
 
Top tier should have 7 and bottom tier should have 5 so that each team plays an even amount of home and away series in each cycle.

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In my opinion this is the best system we can have taking into account the reluctance of the boards.

Seems to be more logical to divide the countries equally into two groups of 6 rather than 7 + 5. If your goal is to include Pakistan in the top tier, then why should WI which an even more illustrious history in Tests than Pakistan miss out?


There is absolutely no reason for a 7+5 split, just to keep the border line minnows PAK among the top group. The irony of your post started with your post at the start “.... top cricket boards.....” have you checked the FTP by any chance?

I am all for two tier system in a 4 year cycle with top from bottom tier promoted and bottom of top tier relegated.

Well said!
 
There is absolutely no reason for a 7+5 split, just to keep the border line minnows PAK among the top group. The irony of your post started with your post at the start “.... top cricket boards.....” have you checked the FTP by any chance?

I am all for two tier system in a 4 year cycle with top from bottom tier promoted and bottom of top tier relegated.

"Top tier should have 7 and bottom tier should have 5 so that each team plays an even amount of home and away series in each cycle."

Maybe if you decided to read the post properly or even just use your brain for a second you'd realize why I proposed. If it is a 6-6 split, some teams will play 3 series at home and 2 away while others will play 3 away and 2 at home. The sides playing 3 at home will obviously have a huge advantage, which is clearly not fair. If there is an odd amount of teams in the tiers, each team will play an even amount of home and away series in a cycle. You could do a 5-7 split instead but then the second tier becomes very lopsided in terms of the quality of the sides which completely defeats the purpose of having 2 tiers.

It's okay though I understand why you were squirming in your chair to call Pakistan a borderline minnow, poor Bangladesh fans don't get much to cheer about, your only highlight all year was being 'competitive' in this years World Cup, yet still finishing 8th. I understand you need to try and bring the other countries down to your level to feel good, so I am not particularly offended. However you are usually a pretty good poster so I'll assume you were just having a bad day today and that this isn't your normal self.
 
Seems to be more logical to divide the countries equally into two groups of 6 rather than 7 + 5. If your goal is to include Pakistan in the top tier, then why should WI which an even more illustrious history in Tests than Pakistan miss out?




Well said!

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Test match stats will become useless and so will the statistical history unless you are suggesting that the matches between lower ranked teams shouldnt be having test status.

Imagine top player like Babar Azam destroying all records by piling piles and piles of runs against Afg, Ireland Zim.

Tier system will never work in Test cricket unless everyone is willing to forgo its history and stats associated with it.

It won't be difficult to keep track of runs scored in the top tier and in the second tier. Nobody compares the number of goals scored in the Premier League to the number scored in the EFL.

Your argument of records becoming meaningless, while valid, is weaker than the argument that the second tier nations should not be playing the top tier nations in Tests as the calendar becomes increasingly packed. Test cricket is a different sport compared to most other sports. A full 5 Test series goes on for over a month, whereas, say a football home and away series is only 2 games of 3 hours each.

Too bad for players in the second tier if their records have an asterisk. I am sure there are many high quality players from non-Test playing nations also who never had a chance.
 
Babar Azam can indeed pile up some record, though he has to fix few numbers in coming AUS, SRL series first - but what you are saying doesn’t sound logical. If you think to keep Babar below Bradman’s level, the split has to done accordingly, then ICC has to think about protecting Sir Gary as well ... I guess, you have got the clue.

Tier can only be acceptable if there is a balance and merit based promotion/demotion. That that’s based on cricket on field, not talunt on blogs ...

I am not exactly sure what do you mean. We were talking about Babar playing vs teams in assumed 2nd tier, where did the performances VS Aus, Srl came in?

Its pretty obvious that top player like Babar would have not much of difficulty taking his tests stats to a much higher level against Afg, Zim etc. How will the test stats will be able to differentiate from the historical ones as when tier 1 and 2 both will be given test status.

I didnt say Pak should be in 2nd tier or not, I am not sure you need to be as defensive in a genuine post as you are trying to be.
 
<b>Neither West Indies nor Pakistan deserve to be clubbed alongside poor teams like Bangladesh or Afghanistan.</b> They have the ability to win tests abroad, which cannot be said about any of the other teams proposed in Tier 2. Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe should play associate level first-class cricket, as they simply don't belong at the Test level.

There is a reason why they are ranked #7 and #8, with 84 and 80 points respectively. In comparison, #6 SL has 94 points. If you believe the reason is anything other than the quality of the team, please do enlighten us what that reason for being ranked #7 and #8 may be.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/test

If you have both Pakistan and WI in an 8-team top tier, then it defeats the goal of the tier system, which is to reduce the number of Test matches top teams have to play.
 
"Top tier should have 7 and bottom tier should have 5 so that each team plays an even amount of home and away series in each cycle."

Maybe if you decided to read the post properly or even just use your brain for a second you'd realize why I proposed. If it is a 6-6 split, some teams will play 3 series at home and 2 away while others will play 3 away and 2 at home. The sides playing 3 at home will obviously have a huge advantage, which is clearly not fair. If there is an odd amount of teams in the tiers, each team will play an even amount of home and away series in a cycle. You could do a 5-7 split instead but then the second tier becomes very lopsided in terms of the quality of the sides which completely defeats the purpose of having 2 tiers.

It's okay though I understand why you were squirming in your chair to call Pakistan a borderline minnow, poor Bangladesh fans don't get much to cheer about, your only highlight all year was being 'competitive' in this years World Cup, yet still finishing 8th. I understand you need to try and bring the other countries down to your level to feel good, so I am not particularly offended. However you are usually a pretty good poster so I'll assume you were just having a bad day today and that this isn't your normal self.

No, we are minnows and ranked 9th, therefore doesn’t matter who splits it how. Just didn’t understand why 7+5... even, 8+4 could have been a logic with 8 teams having long history of Test cricket. But, 7+5.... you know, it wasn’t quite smart.

I don’t need to bring any country/nation down - history will tell that, it has taught few quite a harsh lesson, not only in sports field. I am usually as what I am, and in quite good mood also - will watch some part of cricket tonight. But, I am not in the mood of trolls opening another troll thread and take a cheap dig. Irony is quite ripe here, I must say...

You want to propose a thread on two tier system - fair enough, open a new thread and put logics on why it should be 7+5, not 6+6 or 8+4. I’ll definitely participate.
 
It won't be difficult to keep track of runs scored in the top tier and in the second tier. Nobody compares the number of goals scored in the Premier League to the number scored in the EFL.

Your argument of records becoming meaningless, while valid, is weaker than the argument that the second tier nations should not be playing the top tier nations in Tests as the calendar becomes increasingly packed. Test cricket is a different sport compared to most other sports. A full 5 Test series goes on for over a month, whereas, say a football home and away series is only 2 games of 3 hours each.

Too bad for players in the second tier if their records have an asterisk. I am sure there are many high quality players from non-Test playing nations also who never had a chance.

How will the stats of lower tier become meaningless if both the tiers will be given test status. When the historical stats (For a game based upon stats) will be considered there will be a lot of confusion.

I dont see even ODI cricket separating Rashid Khan’s exaggerated record against associates and people hype him like no tmw based upon that.

Even statistically performances against historically poor teams arent separated from the records of greats when comparing them so its highly unlikely that a separate stats will be followed for 2nd tier while maintaining the test status of those matches.
 
I am not exactly sure what do you mean. We were talking about Babar playing vs teams in assumed 2nd tier, where did the performances VS Aus, Srl came in?

Its pretty obvious that top player like Babar would have not much of difficulty taking his tests stats to a much higher level against Afg, Zim etc. How will the test stats will be able to differentiate from the historical ones as when tier 1 and 2 both will be given test status.

I didnt say Pak should be in 2nd tier or not, I am not sure you need to be as defensive in a genuine post as you are trying to be.


Ok, let me clear you here - by that logic of Babar Azam destroying lower tier teams..... so ICC should twice before implementing any tier; Shakib Al Hasan will break almost every All-round record, if he plays 50 Tests in that “proposed”, second tier in next 5 years.

It’s not done that way, and if I were in your positions, I would have been the last person to talk about the “quality of stats”, for a reason you should know. I know my cricket bro, just keep things balanced, it’ll be enjoyable. Within a year time, PP is returning back to pre Asia Cup 2018 stage, which is unfortunate.
 
Lol at armchair critics and their shining ideas, barely a dozen test playing nation and you people wanna split it!! There will always be one sided matches, don't like it, don't watch simple.
 
Sri Lanka did indeed have a wonderful year in test cricket, but they are marginally better than us or the Wesr Indies. The way New Zealand bashed them by an innings at home shows they still have some way to go before they are in the elite tier. We'll know soon enough anyway. There is a series round the corner, so it would have been better had you not just written that humiliation part. Might end up backfiring like that confident WC prediction of yours :))

Nah, I personally don't see Bangladesh improving much in the near future, if they haven't done so after so long and so many opportunities. Afghanistan is new and have the potential, but we'll have to wait and see. Ireland and Zimbabwe have no chance sorry.

The fact is, Pakistan or West Indies have no business playing associate level teams. I don't believe the two tier system would work in Test cricket.


That’s good, your last line - I believe, I have put enough logic to extract that.

Who has potential or not only time will tell - as far now I can say from Omer Qarishi XI, Hyderabad Blues, MCC amateurs ... in twenty years, we are playing Test matches in India ..... and after 70 years, former Aussie Captain is asking you guys to learn cricket before touring there. If it doesn’t bring some sense, I doubt if you’ll ever learn.

One thing for sure - you’ll not get away with taunting any other team (not only BD), after the terrible display by your team. Someone will show you the mirror - that 0-3 against SRL reserves wasn’t enough on field though.
 
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No, we are minnows and ranked 9th, therefore doesn’t matter who splits it how. Just didn’t understand why 7+5... even, 8+4 could have been a logic with 8 teams having long history of Test cricket. But, 7+5.... you know, it wasn’t quite smart.

I don’t need to bring any country/nation down - history will tell that, it has taught few quite a harsh lesson, not only in sports field. I am usually as what I am, and in quite good mood also - will watch some part of cricket tonight. But, I am not in the mood of trolls opening another troll thread and take a cheap dig. Irony is quite ripe here, I must say...

You want to propose a thread on two tier system - fair enough, open a new thread and put logics on why it should be 7+5, not 6+6 or 8+4. I’ll definitely participate.

I wasn;t the one taking cheap dig here, it was you who failed, and are continuing to fail to understand the logic between a split with odd teams, and instead are assuming I was doing it just to include Pakistan. Trust me, it hurts me to see Pakistan so low in the rankings, but that is not the reason I proposed a 7-5 split. It also has nothing to do with the history of the teams, WI has a strong history of amazing test cricketers but I didn't include them in the top tier. If I was really trying to disrespect Bangladesh I would've included WI in the top tier as well, so don't accuse me of being a troll and taking cheap shots when you're the one who made this about Pakistan and them being a borderline minnow.

I will explain my reasoning for a 7-5 one last time. In a 2 year cycle, there is not enough time for all teams to play each other home AND away, therefore some teams will play against certain opposition away, and certain opposition at home in that cycle, which while not being perfect, is about as fair as you can get it. If there is an odd amount of teams in each tier, each team has an even amount of opponents, hence you can have the same amount of home series as away and no team is advantaged or disadvantaged.
 
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Ok, let me clear you here - by that logic of Babar Azam destroying lower tier teams..... so ICC should twice before implementing any tier; Shakib Al Hasan will break almost every All-round record, if he plays 50 Tests in that “proposed”, second tier in next 5 years.

It’s not done that way, and if I were in your positions, I would have been the last person to talk about the “quality of stats”, for a reason you should know. I know my cricket bro, just keep things balanced, it’ll be enjoyable. Within a year time, PP is returning back to pre Asia Cup 2018 stage, which is unfortunate.

I agree Shakib will also up his stats. So whats your point here? Again as always you are sword fighting with one person and you suddenly try to pick up a fight with everyone.

It was a genuine point that as cricket is the game of stats, having two tiers would make them meaningless and with too much filtration required for every comparison and analysis.

Dont know why are you trying to make my point regarding only Babar and Pakistan.
 
Sri Lanka did indeed have a wonderful year in test cricket, but they are marginally better than us or the Wesr Indies. The way New Zealand bashed them by an innings at home shows they still have some way to go before they are in the elite tier. We'll know soon enough anyway. There is a series round the corner, so it would have been better had you not just written that humiliation part. Might end up backfiring like that confident WC prediction of yours :))

Nah, I personally don't see Bangladesh improving much in the near future, if they haven't done so after so long and so many opportunities. Afghanistan is new and have the potential, but we'll have to wait and see. Ireland and Zimbabwe have no chance sorry.

The fact is, Pakistan or West Indies have no business playing associate level teams. I don't believe the two tier system would work in Test cricket.

By the way, shame is something I can’t impose here - after mods deleting your thread and my response, regarding my World Cup predictions, still you have brought it here with a smile, may be now I know whom you are laughing at.

As I said that time - I hit most of my “predictions”, can’t say that for many regarding the WC or Asia Cup though.
 
Lol at armchair critics and their shining ideas, barely a dozen test playing nation and you people wanna split it!! There will always be one sided matches, don't like it, don't watch simple.

I agree. On top of that taking everything into consideration regarding Test cricket, it wont even be implementable.
 
I agree Shakib will also up his stats. So whats your point here? Again as always you are sword fighting with one person and you suddenly try to pick up a fight with everyone.

It was a genuine point that as cricket is the game of stats, having two tiers would make them meaningless and with too much filtration required for every comparison and analysis.

Dont know why are you trying to make my point regarding only Babar and Pakistan.


No, I don’t pick any fight, but expect that posts will be balanced here. If there is any tier system, it has to be on a logic and not on individuals. And, we have discussed many times why two tier system won’t work in a small family of Test cricket. But, if such ideas are bumped on selective days, it needs proper discussion.

Nothing personal, take my stand, it won’t be any issue - I post on logic and on merit, not to humiliate anyone, neither Palmer anyone.... and I expect that as well. Doesn’t matter if it’s targeted with someone else, but not against the team I own.

I can play dirty as well with 2/3 separate IDs, but that’s distasteful - by now after so many years, people should know which are click bait threads.
 
I agree. On top of that taking everything into consideration regarding Test cricket, it wont even be implementable.

Absolutely, makes no sense. Test cricket is not for everyone, anyone wants thrilling finishes all the time can always switch back to t20s, there is no shortage of circus leagues around the world.
 
I wasn;t the one taking cheap dig here, it was you who failed, and are continuing to fail to understand the logic between a split with odd teams, and instead are assuming I was doing it just to include Pakistan. Trust me, it hurts me to see Pakistan so low in the rankings, but that is not the reason I proposed a 7-5 split. It also has nothing to do with the history of the teams, WI has a strong history of amazing test cricketers but I didn't include them in the top tier. If I was really trying to disrespect Bangladesh I would've included WI in the top tier *** well, so don't accuse me of being a troll and taking cheap shots when you're the one who made this about Pakistan and them being a borderline minnow.

I will explain my reasoning for a 7-5 one last time. In a 2 year cycle, there is not enough time for all teams to play each other home AND away, therefore some teams will play against certain opposition away, and certain opposition at home in that cycle, which while not being perfect, is about as fair as you can get it. If there is an odd amount of teams in each tier, each team has an even amount of opponents, hence you can have the same amount of home series as away and no team is advantaged or disadvantaged.

To justify your post, now you have brought 2 years cap- why’s? Why it should be 2 years, not 4 or 6?

PAK doesn’t deserve to be in top tier - no matter how you split it, unless you go to talunt route. Or if you want to do a favour, WI must be in that tier as well.

Cycle or status has nothing to do with it - your board is least interested in Test cricket and first major team to play two Test series, almost 2 decades back.

All that home and away logic you are inventing now are just back tracking - if 7 teams can ply selectively home & away series in 2 years cycle, 6 can do that better ... and I can prove that, trust me.

I understand, you didn’t try to insult BD, that Afghan loss is a fact, so BD should be in bottom tier and rightly so, .... my only problem is, you are imbalancing the split 7+5, to accommodate no. 7 team in elite tier, who happens to lose a Test against Robert Mugabe’s ZIM, that too at their early days when whatever few good players we see now, even they were not there.

I guess, you have seen my problem in your well thought out model.
 
To justify your post, now you have brought 2 years cap- why’s? Why it should be 2 years, not 4 or 6?

PAK doesn’t deserve to be in top tier - no matter how you split it, unless you go to talunt route. Or if you want to do a favour, WI must be in that tier as well.

Cycle or status has nothing to do with it - your board is least interested in Test cricket and first major team to play two Test series, almost 2 decades back.

All that home and away logic you are inventing now are just back tracking - if 7 teams can ply selectively home & away series in 2 years cycle, 6 can do that better ... and I can prove that, trust me.

I understand, you didn’t try to insult BD, that Afghan loss is a fact, so BD should be in bottom tier and rightly so, .... my only problem is, you are imbalancing the split 7+5, to accommodate no. 7 team in elite tier, who happens to lose a Test against Robert Mugabe’s ZIM, that too at their early days when whatever few good players we see now, even they were not there.

I guess, you have seen my problem in your well thought out model.

No I'm not inventing anything or backtracking, you just failed to read my posts properly.

"Top tier should have 7 and bottom tier should have 5 so that each team plays an even amount of home and away series in each cycle."

"Every cycle is 2 years (how it is right now)"

I said the above two sentences in my FIRST post, and then copy and pasted the first one again to show you my reasoning, it's beyond me how you keep ignoring that every time. So no, I haven't brought in the 2 year cycle to justify my split now, it was there the entire time, you either can't read or you're only reading what you want to read.
 
Although Bangladesh just received a complete thrashing but just to put things in perspective - Last ten 2nd innings totals by visiting teams vs India in India:
133, 189, 191, 127, 196, 103, 299/5, 166, 75/7, 137.
Bangladesh have made 213 in 2nd innings with the Indian bowlers in the form of their life. This surpasses 9/10 of previous scores. Not to forget Bangladesh played this first match without any practice matches scheduled so this was the first taste of indian test conditions for bangladeshi players.
 
Although Bangladesh just received a complete thrashing but just to put things in perspective - Last ten 2nd innings totals by visiting teams vs India in India:
133, 189, 191, 127, 196, 103, 299/5, 166, 75/7, 137.
Bangladesh have made 213 in 2nd innings with the Indian bowlers in the form of their life. This surpasses 9/10 of previous scores. Not to forget Bangladesh played this first match without any practice matches scheduled so this was the first taste of indian test conditions for bangladeshi players.

Think you are forgetting BD just lost a test match at home against Afg too.
 
The current Bangladesh team doesn't compete well in tests as they do in shorter formats. We know, absence of Tamim and Sakib hurt them bad. But, they can only improve from here. To be a competitive test team, they need a set of very good players. The team needs (i) at least one pace bowler like Bumrah, Vaas, or Cummins, (ii) two solid middle order bats like Sangakkara, Pujara, Babar, etc, and (iii) one good leg spinner.

Hope the junior level coaches find and develop a pool of such players in the coming years. Test cricket is dying and Bangladesh with their fan base, can play a pivotal role in keeping it alive.
 
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