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CricketZ said:
So Bangladesh were bashing this Zimbabwe team for fun few months ago.. but now Pakistan struggling to beat Zimbabwe.. So Bangladesh team is actually better than Pakistan ? thoughts ?
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Its different to make an equation to say who is better than who using Zimbabwe as a benchmark.....one thing i can say with certainty is that Bangladesh at home would have smashed Zimbabwe in all 3 games
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Its different to make an equation to say who is better than who using Zimbabwe as a benchmark.....one thing i can say with certainty is that Bangladesh at home would have smashed Zimbabwe in all 3 games
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Bangladesh actually lost test series to Zimbabwe and Afghanistan at home not long ago.

They're utter gash.
 
Former Bangladesh captain Habibul Bashar has tested positive for the dreaded COVID-19 and is currently in home quarantine, according to a report here.

Bashar, a current national selector, is the latest to get infected following positive test results of Test captain Mominul Haque and all-rounder Mahmudullah Riyad earlier this week.

"I was really careful, but still I got infected," Bashar told Bangla Tribune.

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"There's nothing we can do. The virus won't let go of anyone. I felt feverish from Monday, and then it got to 102 degrees. It continued into Tuesday, so I tested on Wednesday morning and received the result in the evening."

The 48-year-old, who has played 50 Tests and 111 ODIs for his country, was a regular during training and matches at the Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium in the last few months. He is hoping to recover ahead of the Bangabandhu T20 Cup later this month.

Some of the other Bangladesh stars who have recovered from COVID-19 are Mashrafe Mortaza, Abu Jayed and Saif Hassan.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...sts-positive-for-covid-19/article33092245.ece
 
No mandatory quarantine for West Indies in Bangladesh

The West Indies cricket team will be able to start practice sessions right after being tested negative for COVID-19 when they tour Bangladesh in January 2021, informed BCB CEO Nizamuddin Chowdhury.

The series in January-February against West Indies will be Bangladesh’s first international affair since March 2020. Bangladesh have missed at least five bilateral series – Pakistan (away), Ireland (away), England), Australia (home), New Zealand (home) and Sri Lanka (away) – since the pandemic.

Bangladesh Cricket Board’s main focus is to reschedule the series missed. “At the moment we don’t have any plans on arranging additional series. We are working with the boards to reschedule the postponed series,” Nizamuddin said.

Foreign coaches of BCB have been enjoying relaxed quarantine rules in Bangladesh. This will be the same for West Indies team as well.

“We have a standard practice of allowing foreign individuals to get into services after negative (COVID-19) test results. They (WI) will be free as soon as tested negative. We are working with the government on this,” Nizamuddin told the reporters on Wednesday.

The Caribbeans are scheduled to play three Tests, three ODIs and two T20Is in Bangladesh. Cricket West Indies (CWI) has requested to reduce three Test matches to two. However, it is yet to be finalised.

“West Indies are due to tour Bangladesh in January-February. The West Indies board requested us to minimise the time for the tour since the bio-bubble has become challenging. In that case, there is an option of reducing the number of Tests. It is yet to be confirmed,” the BCB CEO added.

West Indies earlier toured England for three Tests in July. It was the first international series in a bio-bubble since the pandemic. Currently, they are touring New Zealand for three T20Is and two Tests.

https://www.bdcrictime.com/no-mandatory-quarantine-for-west-indies-in-bangladesh/
 
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Waiting for an essay from my friend MMHS
They need to end their obsession with left arm spin.
What a win for the windies.
 
Even with the extraordinary low standards Bangladesh cricket has, this got to be really embarassing..
 
Why isn't bangladesh better? I'm sure cricket is still the most popular sport and they have been a test nation for a while now. What are the still mediocre?
 
Bangladesh have really regressed from that 2015-16 peak.

They've become way too reliant on spin spin spin. It's too predictable - I'm all for home advantage but some variety in pitches is needed at different grounds. You need to encourage the fast bowlers.

Mominul's captaincy was poor, his use of DRS was appalling. He didn't review two stone dead LBWs in the 1st Test (not sure what the bowlers were thinking either) while his mentality and field placings were too negative. When you cannot defend 395 in a 4th inns on a Day 5 pitch questions must be asked about the captaincy.

There didn't seem to be the desire, like there was from Bonner and Da Silva, to grind out an innings. Too many soft dismissals from a team that despite so many Test defeats don't seem to learn their lessons.

And now I read their Chairman is mouthing off, criticising the team selections and tactics, the captain and coaches, and bemoaning the biosecure bubble preventing him from being in the dressing room ! What cricket Chairman needs to be in the dressing room ?!
 
Markhor said:
Bangladesh have really regressed from that 2015-16 peak.

They've become way too reliant on spin spin spin. It's too predictable - I'm all for home advantage but some variety in pitches is needed at different grounds. You need to encourage the fast bowlers.

Mominul's captaincy was poor, his use of DRS was appalling. He didn't review two stone dead LBWs in the 1st Test (not sure what the bowlers were thinking either) while his mentality and field placings were too negative. When you cannot defend 395 in a 4th inns on a Day 5 pitch questions must be asked about the captaincy.

There didn't seem to be the desire, like there was from Bonner and Da Silva, to grind out an innings. Too many soft dismissals from a team that despite so many Test defeats don't seem to learn their lessons.

And now I read their Chairman is mouthing off, criticising the team selections and tactics, the captain and coaches, and bemoaning the biosecure bubble preventing him from being in the dressing room ! What cricket Chairman needs to be in the dressing room ?!
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Very good post. This post sums up nicely what is wrong with BD cricket.

A lot of things need to change.
 
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Bangladesh Cricket Board president Nazmul Hassan has hit out at captain Mominul Haque and coach Russell Domingo over 'intolerable' selection and strategy following the Test series defeat to West Indies.
Hassan was angered by the Tigers' choice of Soumya Sarkar - describing the all-rounder as 'fourth option' to replace the injured Shakib Al Hasan - as well as the deployment of a spin-heavy bowling attack for the second Test in Dhaka.

West Indies won by 17 runs to seal a 2-0 series triumph and Hassan, who was infuriated by his lack of access to the Bangladesh squad in their bio-secure bubble, was quick to voice his dissatisfaction.

The Board president said: "Recently our pacers did well in the domestic tournament. We have a number of pacers. But we didn't play the pacers.

"We took five pacers, closed down any room for an all-rounder but we played only one pacer. Why did we then take these pacers?

"The decision-makers are the captain and the coach. We are not part of it. We will seek answers from all of them, not just the captain and the coach.

"My hands are tied due to the bio-secure bubble. I am totally handicapped.

"After a game, I am usually entering their dressing-room at this time, or sit in their team hotel. I haven't been able to interact with them."

"There's however very little time. We cannot make a lot of tumult in this short time but the message will be given."
 
Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) are in the process of finding a new spin coach for the Tigers with Daniel Vettori's contract having run out.

Daniel Vettori was appointed as the spin consultant for 100 days and began with the tour of India in 2019. His contract was to run up to the 2020 T20 World Cup but with the pandemic leading to him being unable to avail himself during some of the series played by the Tigers, Vettori remained the spin coach in the recent New Zealand series. BCB Cricket Operations Chairman Akram Khan said they are looking into options.

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"Three of the spin coach [candidates] are coming from Asia and from them, one is Sri Lankan, one from India and the other one from Pakistan. We're trying to talk and maybe they will arrive in a few days. So we're taking the opinions and suggestions from senior cricketers and discussing with coaching staff, head coach and others.," Akram reiterated.

The BCB Cricket Operations Chairman dictated that the players' opinions will be factored in when making the decision. "The decision from players about their likings or disliking remains and nothing is certain yet. To tell you the truth, many players are also asking about our Sohel [Islam]. So we will judge everything before coming to a decision," Akram said.

"It's difficult [to make appointments] with the Covid situation. But still we like to appoint spin coach before the Zimbabwe series. After Zimbabwe, there is Australia, England and New Zealand so we will try now," he added.

"We want to do majority of our thinking long-term. There are a few coached who we will appoint for two or three series and see how it goes. If they are doing well, we will continue with them."

Regarding Vettori, Akram said his unavailability due to the pandemic situation was deterring BCB. "Given how the situation is, it will be difficult to get him, which is why we are not showing an interest," he said.

Akram also reiterated that they are looking into the situation of batting coach Jon Lewis. "First we would make a decision on whether we will keep him or not. If we don't, we have two to three shortlisted. There is one name who has previously worked with Bangladesh. I think this will be sorted in three or four days and then we will make it final

https://www.thedailystar.net/sports...ooking-new-spin-bowling-coach-options-2102225
 
Once Tamim, Shakib & Mushfiq retires Bangladeshi won't even win the ODI's at home. Need to find replacements for Tamim, Shakib & Mushfiq.
 
BCB appoints Herath, Prince as spin and batting consultants respectively

The Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) has appointed Sri Lanka's Rangana Herath as Tigers' spin bowling consultant and South Africa's Ashwell Prince as their batting consultant.

"Herath will join the Bangladesh coaching team in Zimbabwe and will be in the role until the end of Bangladesh's campaign in this year's ICC Twenty20 World Cup. Prince has reached an agreement with the BCB to work with the Bangladeshi batsmen for the Tour of Zimbabwe 2021," read a BCB-issued press release.

The BCB Cricket Operations Chairman Akram Khan informed that the BCB is planning to hire Herath on a long-term basis while planning to have Prince on a series-by-series basis before deciding to extend his contract till the next T20 World Cup later this year.

"We are planning to get Herath on a long-term contract and we will have Prince for a few series first and then plan to extend his contract till the next T20 World Cup," informed Akram to The Daily Star.

https://www.thedailystar.net/sports/bangladesh-cricket/news/bcb-announces-herath-prince-spin-and-batting-consultant-respectively-2118509
 
Sean Williams and Craig Ervine are OUT of the first test match vs Bangladesh. Both are self isolating after coming into contact with a confirmed covid case.

Brendan Taylor to captain.
 
It appears Bangladesh have lost interest in cricket over the past few years.
 
Is Bangladesh the new unpredictable force?

On their good days, they can beat quality sides but on their off days, they can even lose to lower-tier teams. That has been the story of BD since 2015.

They knocked Eng out of 2015 WC, whitewashed Pak, defeated Ind and SA, reached SF of CT, reached back to back finals in Asia Cup, won their first tests against England and Australia but in the same period, they suffered a whitewash in t20is against Afg, lost tests against Afg & Zim, got whitewashed Against depleted WI at home. Even today they unexpectedly lost to Zim.

So what do you guys think, is BD the new unpredictable force of World Cricket?
 
Force? LOL.

Unpredictable? I don't think so.

They generally win a few games and then lose a lot of games. Very predictable pattern.
 
Former South Africa batsman Ashwell Prince will take over as Bangladesh's batting consultant till the 2022 ICC Men's T20 World Cup in Australia.

Prince will leave his position as the head coach of South African domestic side Western Province to take over the role with Bangladesh. The South African worked with Bangladesh in a similar capacity during their successful tour of Zimbabwe in July, but wasn't on hand during Bangladesh's 4-1 T20I home series victory against Australia.

Speaking on his appointment, Prince said in a statement: "I thoroughly enjoyed my experience with the Bangladesh national team during what was obviously a very successful tour for the team in Zimbabwe. The level of cricket played by both Bangladesh and Zimbabwe was of a really high standard."

Prince added that the quality and unity in the Bangladesh camp meant their first-ever series victory against Australia wasn't a surprise to him.

"I don't think the results (against Australia) came as a surprise to anyone in the Bangladesh camp. When I was subsequently offered the chance to join the team on a full-time basis, it was a no-brainer."
 
All-rounder Shakib Al Hasan is among five players to be offered all-format central contracts by the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB).

Tamim Iqbal's contract includes Tests and ODIs only, while Mahmudullah has been given an ODI and T20I deal, according to media reports

Recently, the BCB has changed the policy from the red-ball and white-ball contracts to a more format-specific contract for the players.

Mushfiqur Rahim, Shakib Al Hasan, Liton Das, Taskin Ahmed and Shoriful Islam are the five players who have been handed multi-format contracts by the board.

Tamim Iqbal, Mehidy Hasan, Taijul Islam are the three players who have gotten Tests and ODIs contracts while Mahmudullah, Mustafizur Rahman, Mohammad Saifuddin, Afif Hossain have been handed ODI and T20I contracts.

BCB contracted players' list: Tests, ODIs, T20Is: Mushfiqur Rahim, Shakib Al Hasan, Liton Das, Taskin Ahmed, Shoriful Islam

Tests and ODIs: Tamim Iqbal, Mehidy Hasan, Taijul Islam

ODI and T20Is: Mahmudullah, Mustafizur Rahman, Mohammad Saifuddin, Afif Hossain

Only Tests: Mominul Haque, Najmul Hossain Shanto, Abu Jayed, Shadman Islam, Saif Hassan, Ebadat Hossain

Only T20Is: Soumya Sarkar, Mohammad Naim, Mahedi Hasan, Nurul Hasan, Nasum Ahmed, Shamim Hossain.
 
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Bangladesh - underperforming and just scrapping along since two decades and being content and satisfied with it! No pressure, no accountability, no asking around about what they're doing. What a sad state of affairs! Wasted, a wasted thing! I expected better from them.

As for Scotland, what an incredible performance! To have come back from so behind in the game actually reminded me of the extremely efficient and professional Australian team of years ago. Minnows rarely win matches like that, as mostly it's all just about things just going their way right from start. Impressed, seriously impressed!
 
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Bangladesh - underperforming and just scrapping along since two decades and being content and satisfied with it! No pressure, no accountability, no asking around about what they're doing. What a sad state of affairs! Wasted, a wasted thing! I expected better from them.

As for Scotland, what an incredible performance! To have come back from so behind in the game actually reminded me of the extremely efficient and professional Australian team of years ago. Minnows rarely win matches like that, as mostly it's all just about things just going their way right from start. Impressed, seriously impressed!
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Biggest problem with Bangladesh is the mindset. Both fans and players have faulty mindsets.

Many fans go crazy with small home victories. They start to behave arrogantly as if they have won a World Cup. Just visit various social media pages (Cricinfo, ICC page etc.) to see what I am referring to.

Also, players become content and overconfident very easily. This is a big issue.

I unfortunately don't see any major improvement anytime soon. The mindsets have to change first.
 
Bangladesh has a lot going for itself - an economy bigger than Pakistan, absolute cricket crazy fans - probably the 2nd crazier after India, but wonder why they are perennial underperformers in away conditions. Those dust-bowl home pitches definitely plays a part, but surely there must be something more where player development is concerned?
 
Whichever way you look at it, the defeat to Scotland is a shocker ands unexpected.

On the plus side, they have time and the opportunity to turn it around but the attitude and the standard of their play has to improve tenfold.
 
Cricket needs a strong Bangladesh. It's a huge cricketing market and a developing economy with a passionate cricket-mad fanbase.

I used to be one of those that enjoyed trolling Bangladesh but the way their fans cheer for Pakistan has made me view them differently.

At the moment they seem content with small scale home victories and players making individual records. This mindset needs to change but it will take 5-10 years minimum and the problems will be exacrbated by the loss of their golden generation of players.
 
sweep_shot said:
Biggest problem with Bangladesh is the mindset. Both fans and players have faulty mindsets.

Many fans go crazy with small home victories. They start to behave arrogantly as if they have won a World Cup. Just visit various social media pages (Cricinfo, ICC page etc.) to see what I am referring to.

Also, players become content and overconfident very easily. This is a big issue.

I unfortunately don't see any major improvement anytime soon. The mindsets have to change first.
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Even though he´s a wonderful player and I´ve myself been a huge fan of him ever since seeing him play quite early in his career, but Shakib al Hasan, the man, the player, is the face and symbol of the attitude that you´re referring to. The behaviour of their players and fans is as if they had some world-beating team in the 1980s or 90s and that they´ve bagged much glory in the past.

Saj said:
Whichever way you look at it, the defeat to Scotland is a shocker ands unexpected.

On the plus side, they have time and the opportunity to turn it around but the attitude and the standard of their play has to improve tenfold.
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There´s no plus side here, I´m afraid. If Scotland win their remaining two matches of the qualifying round, Bangladesh are done for the tournament and things will only look scarier, in my view. Things improving in the long run following a major setback doesn´t and has never applied to Bangladesh. Their sole revival would lie in an immediate turn-around if they somehow end up going through to the next round.
 
Bangladesh cricket is really in quite a pathetic state and considering they have had test status now for over two decades, they haven't really progressed as much as they should have done. We are now into the next generation of cricketers and they are still ambling around, getting beaten by Scotland etc.

I have seen people say that they have a certain arrogance about them - some of their players are not as good as they think they are. I think it is the same with their fans too.

I have been lucky enough to travel to Bangladesh many times. The last time I was there was soon before the 2019 world cup. Now they are wonderful, warm, hospitable people etc but when it came to talking about cricket they were completely deluded to such ridiculous levels. People talking to me about Bangladesh being genuine contenders for the 2019 world cup etc. Need to get with the programme as delusion is never a good thing.
 
DHONI183 said:
Even though he´s a wonderful player and I´ve myself been a huge fan of him ever since seeing him play quite early in his career, but Shakib al Hasan, the man, the player, is the face and symbol of the attitude that you´re referring to. The behaviour of their players and fans is as if they had some world-beating team in the 1980s or 90s and that they´ve bagged much glory in the past.



There´s no plus side here, I´m afraid. If Scotland win their remaining two matches of the qualifying round, Bangladesh are done for the tournament and things will only look scarier, in my view. Things improving in the long run following a major setback doesn´t and has never applied to Bangladesh. Their sole revival would lie in an immediate turn-around if they somehow end up going through to the next round.
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If Bangladesh beat Oman and PNG then they will almost certainly be through to the next stage.
 
Babeikh said:
Bangladesh cricket is really in quite a pathetic state and considering they have had test status now for over two decades, they haven't really progressed as much as they should have done. We are now into the next generation of cricketers and they are still ambling around, getting beaten by Scotland etc.

I have seen people say that they have a certain arrogance about them - some of their players are not as good as they think they are. I think it is the same with their fans too.

I have been lucky enough to travel to Bangladesh many times. The last time I was there was soon before the 2019 world cup. Now they are wonderful, warm, hospitable people etc but when it came to talking about cricket they were completely deluded to such ridiculous levels. People talking to me about Bangladesh being genuine contenders for the 2019 world cup etc. Need to get with the programme as delusion is never a good thing.
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Said it before, will say it again.

Bangladesh aren't made for sport of any description.
 
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If Bangladesh beat Oman and PNG then they will almost certainly be through to the next stage.
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Oh! So two teams are advancing to the next round from each qualifying group or what? I didn't know this.

Anyway, it may still get tricky if it ends up going down to the net run-rate in the end. Oman bagged a huge win yesterday, mind you. It still might be a headache for Bangladesh, you know.
 
The sooner they get rid of Liton Das and Soumya Sarkar the better.

Also playing Shakib at 3, really? What genius thought that was a good idea?

Muhmudullah is too good of a player to be batting at 5 and usually with the tail.

Not only have they got the wrong players but the batting order makes no sense.

This should’ve been their XI at the WT20.

Anamul Haque
Mohammad Naim
Muhmudullah (c)
Mushfiqur Rehman
Shakib al Hasan
Nurul Hasan (wk)
Nasum Ahmed
Mehedi Hasan
Afif Hossein
Mustifuzur Rehman
Taskin Ahmed

This is a much better team, and even more better if Tamim was available.
 
State of Bangladesh cricket: associate level.

They are currently just a bit better than Zimbabwe. That's about it.
 
What a shambolic performance today

Where is the man who said ‘Aage aage dekho hota hai kya’ the day Pakistan tied with Zimbabwe? How do you justify this pathetic performance as an Asian side that too after winning the toss??
 
Mamoon said:
A full-strength Bangladesh, with Shakib and Mushfiq, is the second best Asian in side in LOIs when it comes to Asian pitches.

However, in Test cricket they have a long way to go. Overall, they have definitely made big strides in the last 10 years and are on the right track.
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I need to add this on the list of ‘Mamoon’s myths exposed’
 
MMHS said:
Keep low profile bro - you team is travelling Australia. Ranking or rating or clubbing isn’t done on “ability”, or “talunt”, in that scale .... you are running 12-0 in AUS, 6-0 in SAF and 2-0 in NZ; only that bubble of ENG tour will be over in six months. And, that ability includes a Test loss against Mughabe’s ZIM.

There are 12 teams, if it’s to happen two tier, the split will be 6+6 and one relegated/promoted in every cycle. No one is entitled here.
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Ironic

Now where to be seen now
 
 
If any team deserves to play in the qualifiers, it's Bangladesh. I bet they would not qualify for the main round seeing how competitive the qualifiers have been this year.
 
Just checked.

That Twitter page has the following bio:

Official Twitter Handle of Bangla Tigers cricket team. Bangla Tigers represent Bangladesh cricket in Abu Dhabi T10 League
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Could this be the most unlikely year of the Tiger?. More than competent bowlers who deserve more credit and competent batters.
 
Bangladesh defeated Netherlands by 7 runs. Bangladesh defeated Zimbabwe by 3 runs. Bangladesh lost to South Africa by 104 runs.

In brief, Bangladesh proved to be slightly better than two qualifiers. They were demolished and steamrolled by a proper team.
 
Quite fortunate to get over the line against Zimbabwe today imo. In the end they were only one streaky ZIM batter shot away from blowing the whole thing and losing.
 
Last 2 years have shown two things:

1) BD are still reliant on likes of Shakib, Tamim etc. (old players).

2) Most of the current youngsters are not consistently good enough.

They may defeat associates/Zimbabwe/Ireland and get occasional wins against big teams. That's about it.
 
I think fans need to be rather patient with the players and team. The reality is that despite the talent we possess, our young crop of players have an added layer of pressure that they are not adept at handling.

Compared to our first decade and a half as a test playing nation, young batsmen often contemplate failure and backlash from media. In the past, if people criticized you, you would not know it unless you opened the TV or read news which players arent compelled to do. Unfortunately, our lot spends a lot of time on social media seeing what people have to say about them and that puts pressure on them. They will need to find a way out of this.

On the other hand, it is good that our pace bowling stocks are improving and that is good for us. What we need to do is to actively groom wrist-spinners and perhaps a few hard hitters.
 
Executioner said:
I think fans need to be rather patient with the players and team. The reality is that despite the talent we possess, our young crop of players have an added layer of pressure that they are not adept at handling.

Compared to our first decade and a half as a test playing nation, young batsmen often contemplate failure and backlash from media. In the past, if people criticized you, you would not know it unless you opened the TV or read news which players arent compelled to do. Unfortunately, our lot spends a lot of time on social media seeing what people have to say about them and that puts pressure on them. They will need to find a way out of this.

On the other hand, it is good that our pace bowling stocks are improving and that is good for us. What we need to do is to actively groom wrist-spinners and perhaps a few hard hitters.
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What talent are you talking about. Sorry to say, but BD is one of the most talent less team out there. I don't know one upcoming player who is exciting and would walk into any top six team. Absolutely none. Even oldies are just mediocre. With this kind of talent team behaves as if they are world beaters. Even most of the TTF of Pakistan team would walk into your team. Honestly I don't know how can this be with a cricket crazy nation which plays no other sport well at international level. Someone with knowledge of your setup can tell. I used to be a huge fan of Bangladesh cricket hoping they will do something but they have gone nowhere and has been the biggest disappointment in international cricket. We need to ask posters like [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] who used to write novels about your setup and great things expected to be achieved by them. All big tal
 
Bangladesh are eternal minnows and aren't cut out for any sport.

They only exist in the cricketing consciousness because of a copious quantity of their fans turning up to the stadiums and watching on TV for reasons best known to them.
 
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What talent are you talking about. Sorry to say, but BD is one of the most talent less team out there. I don't know one upcoming player who is exciting and would walk into any top six team. Absolutely none. Even oldies are just mediocre. With this kind of talent team behaves as if they are world beaters. Even most of the TTF of Pakistan team would walk into your team. Honestly I don't know how can this be with a cricket crazy nation which plays no other sport well at international level. Someone with knowledge of your setup can tell. I used to be a huge fan of Bangladesh cricket hoping they will do something but they have gone nowhere and has been the biggest disappointment in international cricket. We need to ask posters like [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] who used to write novels about your setup and great things expected to be achieved by them. All big tal
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We have the talent but we do not have the kind of facilities most nations have.

We don't have any regional 50 over tournament, no 20 over tournament outside a franchise based league BPL, lack of A team games and such.

Yes we have been a disappointment but doesn't mean that there is no future
 
Executioner said:
We have the talent but we do not have the kind of facilities most nations have.

We don't have any regional 50 over tournament, no 20 over tournament outside a franchise based league BPL, lack of A team games and such.

Yes we have been a disappointment but doesn't mean that there is no future
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Who are those talented players? why no facilities when you have been in the scene for 20+ years. BD economy is supposed to be booming for a decade now. So is that just an eyewash? Only excuses.. I really want them to succeed, but i don't see anyone who can take them forward. Few good players like Linton Das, will not make a difference unless solid 5 or 6 world class performers emerge from BD. I don't see that happening. Quality is very poor and the new set of players are as bad as the ones they are expected to replace.
 
SportsWarrior said:
Who are those talented players? why no facilities when you have been in the scene for 20+ years. BD economy is supposed to be booming for a decade now. So is that just an eyewash? Only excuses.. I really want them to succeed, but i don't see anyone who can take them forward. Few good players like Linton Das, will not make a difference unless solid 5 or 6 world class performers emerge from BD. I don't see that happening. Quality is very poor and the new set of players are as bad as the ones they are expected to replace.
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There are things such as corruption and unprofessionalism that has hindered the process. I am not putting these things forward as excuses. It is the the harsh reality.
 
One big problem that hampers Ban's players development is the superstar culture. A player performs for a bit, the journalists and media starts hyping them up which most of the times get to the player's head. Recently read an article on Ban's pace bowlers. The writer should have waited for the tournament to end to write it.

During BPL, there were reports of Miraz walking out of the team meeting because they were not letting him open the batting. Stuff like this needs to be dealt professionally and not emotionally.
 
Don't be surprised if they beat Pakistan at the T20 World Cup.

It wouldn't be a big surprise if they achieved that.
 
Varun said:
Bangladesh are eternal minnows and aren't cut out for any sport.

They only exist in the cricketing consciousness because of a copious quantity of their fans turning up to the stadiums and watching on TV for reasons best known to them.
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This. I don't think Bangladesh can ever win any tournament in any sport. They just don't have the DNA for sports.
 
Executioner said:
We have the talent but we do not have the kind of facilities most nations have.

We don't have any regional 50 over tournament, no 20 over tournament outside a franchise based league BPL, lack of A team games and such.

Yes we have been a disappointment but doesn't mean that there is no future
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How do you determine that your players are talented, exactly? Half of Bangladesh team would struggle to be selected for Zimbabwe. Who are the talented players you speak of? Name one
 
BunnyRabbit said:
One big problem that hampers Ban's players development is the superstar culture. A player performs for a bit, the journalists and media starts hyping them up which most of the times get to the player's head. Recently read an article on Ban's pace bowlers. The writer should have waited for the tournament to end to write it.

During BPL, there were reports of Miraz walking out of the team meeting because they were not letting him open the batting. Stuff like this needs to be dealt professionally and not emotionally.
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Big time.

This is the main issue. Players aren't allowed to grow. They get hyped up and it gets to the head of the players.
 
Varun said:
Bangladesh are eternal minnows and aren't cut out for any sport.

They only exist in the cricketing consciousness because of a copious quantity of their fans turning up to the stadiums and watching on TV for reasons best known to them.
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No matter how bad the team is, fans still turn up.

It is like Jacksonville Jaguars team.

Anyway. I watch all games. BD or no BD. I even watched Nepal vs Zimbabwe live.
 
Executioner said:
There are things such as corruption and unprofessionalism that has hindered the process. I am not putting these things forward as excuses. It is the the harsh reality.
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Corruption and unprofessionalism is a problem everywhere sir. Have you seen PCB, BCCI and SL board? how about SA board? they are all corrupt and very unprofessional. But the talent seems to find a way, especially SL. What is ailing BD? I have visited Dhaka and cricket is absolutely adored by BD fans.. Cricket is played everywhere followed by everyone.. But somehow professional cricketers look very amateur
 
SportsWarrior said:
Corruption and unprofessionalism is a problem everywhere sir. Have you seen PCB, BCCI and SL board? how about SA board? they are all corrupt and very unprofessional. But the talent seems to find a way, especially SL. What is ailing BD? I have visited Dhaka and cricket is absolutely adored by BD fans.. Cricket is played everywhere followed by everyone.. But somehow professional cricketers look very amateur
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There is a terrible misconception that having a great deal of following equates to success in the top level

In fact despite greater fan following pakistan and India has same number of World Cup wins as Lanka

We do not have a system that transforms talented cricketers into international quality players Even Zimbabwe has a more organised domestic structure than us

We definitely did underachieve but we can’t get away with a poor system and a culture that gets aroused by mediocrity
 
Joseph Gomes said:
How do you determine that your players are talented, exactly? Half of Bangladesh team would struggle to be selected for Zimbabwe. Who are the talented players you speak of? Name one
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They’re all very talented but you need to nurture talent as the disparity vbetween age group and internships cricket is huge
 
Executioner said:
There is a terrible misconception that having a great deal of following equates to success in the top level

In fact despite greater fan following pakistan and India has same number of World Cup wins as Lanka

We do not have a system that transforms talented cricketers into international quality players Even Zimbabwe has a more organised domestic structure than us

We definitely did underachieve but we can’t get away with a poor system and a culture that gets aroused by mediocrity
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No having ng big fan following means more people play the game. That gives bigger pool of players. That poop allows teams to select better teams.

Win and loss part of the game. But BD is same as it was twenty years back relatively. They are still the worst Tam among the test playing nation despite huge investments, big fan following and supposedly "booming economy". My contention is that BD has no actual talent.
 
sweep_shot said:
Last 2 years have shown two things:

1) BD are still reliant on likes of Shakib, Tamim etc. (old players).

2) Most of the current youngsters are not consistently good enough.

They may defeat associates/Zimbabwe/Ireland and get occasional wins against big teams. That's about it.
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Sounds like Pakistan in last 15 years. Bangladesh have very good bowlers with the right coaching and definitely better batters than Pakistan
 
SportsWarrior said:
No having ng big fan following means more people play the game. That gives bigger pool of players. That poop allows teams to select better teams.

Win and loss part of the game. But BD is same as it was twenty years back relatively. They are still the worst Tam among the test playing nation despite huge investments, big fan following and supposedly "booming economy". My contention is that BD has no actual talent.
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Didnt we win the U19 WC a couple of years back? Our U19 team over the year has been dominant. That states that we have talent. But we dont have a strong system to nurture these cricketers. I mean think about how good NZ has been compared to Asian teams despite a small fraction of the population. In modern-day cricket population and large pool is not so relevant among the primary cricket-playing nations.

You have little idea about how poor our cricket system is.

And your point about Bangladesh being relatively the worst team is not true. In ODIs we have been slowly transitioning into a middle-tier team. In T20 cricket we have always struggled due to lack of power. As for tests, we have stumbled a lot but I think we are slowly developing - heck we won a test match in NZ this year. Sure we have not done as good as we should have but we are not the worst. You can check our win percentages in 2000-2006 across all formats and between 2015 - 2022.
 
SportsWarrior said:
No having ng big fan following means more people play the game. That gives bigger pool of players. That poop allows teams to select better teams.

Win and loss part of the game. But BD is same as it was twenty years back relatively. They are still the worst Tam among the test playing nation despite huge investments, big fan following and supposedly "booming economy". My contention is that BD has no actual talent.
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There are 12 Test nations.

Bangladesh are currently ranked #7 in ODI, #9 in T20, and #9 in Test.

They are very bad but not the worst among Test nations.
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
Sounds like Pakistan in last 15 years. Bangladesh have very good bowlers with the right coaching and definitely better batters than Pakistan
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Pakistan did much better. They won 2009 World T20, 2017 CT, and were #1 in Test ranking briefly.
 
Executioner said:
They’re all very talented but you need to nurture talent as the disparity vbetween age group and internships cricket is huge
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You didn't answer how you measure their talent. By their performance in domestic cricket? Or U-19 world cup? Those are not competitive so it's pretty irrelevant gauging player potential just by that. Clearly it doesn't translate to international level.

In the current Bangladesh team, no more than 2-3 players have been consistent against top-tier teams (aka the top 8 in test rankings). Almost all of them have been pure dud ever since their debut. Also, you didn't name any specific player you consider talented. Guys like Mustafizur are hardly new
 
Just saw this in the news. Minnows gonna minnow:

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Joseph Gomes said:
You didn't answer how you measure their talent. By their performance in domestic cricket? Or U-19 world cup? Those are not competitive so it's pretty irrelevant gauging player potential just by that. Clearly it doesn't translate to international level.

In the current Bangladesh team, no more than 2-3 players have been consistent against top-tier teams (aka the top 8 in test rankings). Almost all of them have been pure dud ever since their debut. Also, you didn't name any specific player you consider talented. Guys like Mustafizur are hardly new
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Talent that i am referring to is based on U19 performance. Talent is something recognised at young level but whether they become quality cricketers has a positive correlation with talent but not as strong as you folks make it out to be. The gulf between U19 level and international cricket is huge. Problem is that the gap between our domestics and International cricket is huge.

At the senior level, we dont have players with the skills developed to become good players. They have talent but ultimate a poor system will lead you nowhere. I still believe we have talented players who should be performing by now but they put themselves under too much pressure.
 
As regards to who I think are talented and can succeed in white ball cricket in the national team-

Shanto
Sohan (only ODIs but good glovesman everywhere)
Yasir
Shoriful
Mahmudul hasan
Shoriful
Afif (most talented in my opinion)
Hasan mahmud

These are guys with limited experience. Now i don’t think these guys will ceerain Be world class but can be international quality. Maybe afif could become a world class batsman in white ball cricket but others world class? I wouldn’t bet on it. By world class i am referring to players of Shakib’s caliber or close. There are other folks like mrittinjoy, Ripon, Yeasin Arafat, towhid, Aich, akbar but i wont judge them until they play a game for BD
 
Why are there no power hitters in BD? Any format.. it's difficult to succeed in T20 format without them

Their fast bowling has been improving but batting stocks are quite low
 
Joseph Gomes said:
You didn't answer how you measure their talent. By their performance in domestic cricket? Or U-19 world cup? Those are not competitive so it's pretty irrelevant gauging player potential just by that. Clearly it doesn't translate to international level.

In the current Bangladesh team, no more than 2-3 players have been consistent against top-tier teams (aka the top 8 in test rankings). Almost all of them have been pure dud ever since their debut. Also, you didn't name any specific player you consider talented. Guys like Mustafizur are hardly new
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Talent is subjective.

I do not think you can measure talent. Someone who is talented to one person may not be talented to another person.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Why are there no power hitters in BD? Any format.. it's difficult to succeed in T20 format without them

Their fast bowling has been improving but batting stocks are quite low
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A lot of them seem very skinny/malnourished. They need to bulk up for hitting sixes.
 
sweep_shot said:
A lot of them seem very skinny/malnourished. They need to bulk up for hitting sixes.
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I think on these big Aussie grounds the batters can hit a 4 and take a few 2s and 3s to get 8/9 an over. Its all about willingness and mental toughness.
 
sweep_shot said:
A lot of them seem very skinny/malnourished. They need to bulk up for hitting sixes.
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If memory serves me well, taskin was a skinny kid too when he first started. Wtv he is doing, rest needs to follow suite. Out of all your players, he is the only one that has a proper athletic body.

That Yasir guy, lol. Bringing in the Inzamam style in 2022.
 
light said:
If memory serves me well, taskin was a skinny kid too when he first started. Wtv he is doing, rest needs to follow suite. Out of all your players, he is the only one that has a proper athletic body.

That Yasir guy, lol. Bringing in the Inzamam style in 2022.
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Please don't compare every over weight mediocre player to inzamam
 
sweep_shot said:
Talent is subjective.

I do not think you can measure talent. Someone who is talented to one person may not be talented to another person.
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I don't think it's subjective. Any player who has gotten ample chance to prove their merit can be evaluated objectively. A lot of people throw around the term talent without any proof. Sounds like a coping mechanism to me. No offense to Bangladesh poster here
 
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