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Coping mechanism?
How does it affect me whether BD win or lose? I do not receive money if BD win just like I don't lose anything if BD lose.
Talent is 100% subjective. Just like beauty is subjective.
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Started following BD Cricket from 2007 after that win against India. Don't see much improvements from then to now. BD were minnows/underdogs against bigger teams back then and BD is still minnows/underdogs against bigger team now.
Board is very corrupted. They don't invest in regional tournaments much to identify any particular talented player(s). You will see that most of the top teams have unique set of players for T20, where even likes of Steven Smith can get benched. However, BD will try to play and force its Test players to play ODI and T20.
Board is very corrupted. They don't invest in regional tournaments much to identify any particular talented player(s). You will see that most of the top teams have unique set of players for T20, where even likes of Steven Smith can get benched. However, BD will try to play and force its Test players to play ODI and T20.
How is talent subjective? What's subjective about virat kohlis talent? How about even shakib al hasans talent? Do you think any random guy can become good international cricketer? Very delusional thinking.
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Talent on its own is subjective. Forget about Bangladesh or India.
Delusion? LOL. I do not go nuts over a cricket game like many desis do.
How can you measure talent? Answer me this.
Coping mechanism in that it hurts your ego to admit bd doesn't have any world class talented players. If you think everything is about money, you have a lot to learn about the real world.
Do you think if bd wins world cup, people would just shrug it off because they are not receiving any financial benefit? No. They would revel in joy, players would be given honours, paraded and bd people would feel proud about the fact. These same emotions are the ones in play when fans try to cope using the talent excuse when they know there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
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Yes.
Any random guy can become a good cricketer with dedication, right training, and exposure.
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Whatever floats your boat, mate.
We Bangladeshis do not care what a few salty people think.
LOL @ hurt ego.
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If you check my older posts here, you can see I was highly critical of Bangladesh team and Bangladesh cricket board on many occasions.
I personally think Bangladesh shouldn't play Test cricket. They were gifted Test status because India wanted something in return (an extra vote). Bangladesh should lose Test status and only get it back if they are ready for it.
I believe most BD players are garbage due to bad attitudes, bad work ethics, and bad system; I also blame BD culture. Our culture is not suitable for sports; it is a very laidback and feminine culture.
The so-called "talent" is present in every country (including Bangladesh). But, that talent has to be nurtured properly.
I personally think Bangladesh shouldn't play Test cricket. They were gifted Test status because India wanted something in return (an extra vote). Bangladesh should lose Test status and only get it back if they are ready for it.
I believe most BD players are garbage due to bad attitudes, bad work ethics, and bad system; I also blame BD culture. Our culture is not suitable for sports; it is a very laidback and feminine culture.
The so-called "talent" is present in every country (including Bangladesh). But, that talent has to be nurtured properly.
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It's sad how delusional some BD posters are.
If every single human is 'talented, then nobody is. Do all Bangladeshi cricketers get participation trophy for playing cricket? No wonder they're so bad.
As for talent being subjective, nobody in the world outside Bangladesh would consider Bangladeshi players talented (aside from a couple like Shakib and Litton). You want to see real talent? Look at Suryakumar Yadav
If every single human is 'talented, then nobody is. Do all Bangladeshi cricketers get participation trophy for playing cricket? No wonder they're so bad.
As for talent being subjective, nobody in the world outside Bangladesh would consider Bangladeshi players talented (aside from a couple like Shakib and Litton). You want to see real talent? Look at Suryakumar Yadav
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What do you want dude? It seem likes you want us to cede that we cannot produce talent and we should quit playing cricket. Yes lets ask all nations which are below par to stop playing cricket.
Wait - that is what icc and most cricket nations have always wanted. Its 2022 and cricket isnt played in the olympics and the world cups keep getting fewer and fewer teams
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Only delusional person is you. You are not just delusional but salty too.
What do you want us to do? Cry like little girls?
We do not care if a random guy called Joseph Gomez thinks there's no talent in BD.
Now go enjoy a vegetarian burger.
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New Zealand with only a fraction of the population as India is playing much better in T20 Format off late, now do we say India has far lesser talent than NZ? I mean india literally has more than 100-500 times the player pool as NZ.
What makes NZ good? They have a great sporting culture, good facilities, no corruption, professionalism and such.
I think you folks do not understand the basic concept of talent. Talent as defined by google is “natural aptitude or skill”. But to be good enough to deliver at the highest level requires a great deal of nurturing.
In fact the only true way to gauge talent is to put them in the exact same system and see the results. If BD cricketers wwere put in the same system and Nz cricketers and yet on average was less successful then you could certainly say that we have lacked talent.
Once again - facilities, culture, professionalism more important than “talent “ when it comes to delivery. It is almost like you folks are trying to act ignorant for the sake of it
What makes NZ good? They have a great sporting culture, good facilities, no corruption, professionalism and such.
I think you folks do not understand the basic concept of talent. Talent as defined by google is “natural aptitude or skill”. But to be good enough to deliver at the highest level requires a great deal of nurturing.
In fact the only true way to gauge talent is to put them in the exact same system and see the results. If BD cricketers wwere put in the same system and Nz cricketers and yet on average was less successful then you could certainly say that we have lacked talent.
Once again - facilities, culture, professionalism more important than “talent “ when it comes to delivery. It is almost like you folks are trying to act ignorant for the sake of it
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[MENTION=142823]Joseph Gomes[/MENTION] wants Bangladeshi fans to believe there is no talent in BD. He wants BD fans to cry while playing a sad Bollywood music. Maybe he wants us to dance too while the song is playing.
He clearly doesn't watch BD games and probably writes opinions based on the scores he sees on Cricinfo or Cricbuzz.
Talent on its own is subjective. Why? Because, talent can't be measured with objective numbers. I am talking about definition of "talent"; nothing do with Bangladesh, India, or Suraykumar.
He clearly doesn't watch BD games and probably writes opinions based on the scores he sees on Cricinfo or Cricbuzz.
Talent on its own is subjective. Why? Because, talent can't be measured with objective numbers. I am talking about definition of "talent"; nothing do with Bangladesh, India, or Suraykumar.
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Where were Tamim, Mahmudullah and Mushfiqur? they would have finished this chase after that fast start.
The players who got out were names I have never heard of but some of the shot selections were horrific, they were looking to belt the ball on each delivery when it’s not in their nature, collapsed under pressure with some brainless batting, should have looked for 2’s with the field spread and aimed for one boundary per over. I think the target could easily have been in the range of 10-15 of the last 6.
The players who got out were names I have never heard of but some of the shot selections were horrific, they were looking to belt the ball on each delivery when it’s not in their nature, collapsed under pressure with some brainless batting, should have looked for 2’s with the field spread and aimed for one boundary per over. I think the target could easily have been in the range of 10-15 of the last 6.
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As I said, if everybody's talented, nobody is. Talent is best displayed on the field. Not with keyboard.
All I see is complacency and excuses to cope with the fact that Bangladesh team lacks talented players. Instead of playing victim and blaming others, the fans should demand their players to grow a spine, for a change
Population argument is dumb because both NZ and India are lightyears ahead of Bangladesh. Afghanistan is a war torn country with 1/20th of Bangladesh GDP, yet they treat Bangladesh like minnows
Do Afghan players have access to better facilities? They grew up while US and Taliban were bombing their villages. Many don't even have a permanent home.
This whole thread is a comedy goldmine. I do feel sorry for the reasonable Bangladesh fans. They deserve better than what they're getting
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It is obvious you are salty about Bangladesh. That's okay. Nobody cares.
Please learn the definition of "talent". Forget about Bangladesh for a second.
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It is indeed a comedy thread and you are a part of it.
Your saltiness is clearly on display for all to see.
Answer me this. Even if BD have no talent, what do you expect BD fans to do? Do you want BD fans to cry while listening to Bollywood music? I am not understanding what you want fans to do.
You are being confusing like a Bollywood actress.
It would have been interesting to see how much more destructive Inzy would have been had he not been a lazy potato and actually worked on his fitness.
I have an honest question for you. I see many fans on cricket forums/facebook/online/etc taking a dump on several players in your team. Usually, you bring your best 15 players for a world cup. Apart from Muhmadulla, who else did Bangladesh leave behind? The fans are making it seem like there are other better players than the current bunch that's playing? Are they actually trolling or being serious?
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Litton getting out was like Imran Nazir getting run out in the 2007 final 
Both openers, both threatened to take the game away, 2-3 more overs and they would have- and a timely runout to remove both.
And Pakistan needed both to stay…
Sorry I meant BD needed Litton to stay
Both openers, both threatened to take the game away, 2-3 more overs and they would have- and a timely runout to remove both.
And Pakistan needed both to stay…
Sorry I meant BD needed Litton to stay
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Why the under 19 winning players aren't brought into the team ? Only Shariful got chance. May be one of them will start to perform like what Liton Das is doing. I m just tired to see these Soumya, Shanto, Nayeem and so others. Infact I can't see any reliable batsman who can take the load on the shoulder and march on like Liton and Shakib the previous version ( present version is a faded one) .
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Litton getting out was like Imran Nazir getting run out in the 2007 final
Both openers, both threatened to take the game away, 2-3 more overs and they would have- and a timely runout to remove both.
And Pakistan needed both to stay…
Sorry I meant BD needed Litton to stay
You are right. Imran's out was heartbreaking to Pakistanis,same feeling we got yesterday.
State of BD cricket? In the context of current WT20, they have done quite well, despite stalwarts like Tamim, Mushfiq & Mahamuddulla not available/ retired.
(But one suggestion, ask BD players to wear blue glasses so the opponents look like team India, then they can be all pumped up and perform. Sorry for the bad innuendo, but I had to get it out of my system; comeon yaar show the same skill levels against SA or PAK for once)
(But one suggestion, ask BD players to wear blue glasses so the opponents look like team India, then they can be all pumped up and perform. Sorry for the bad innuendo, but I had to get it out of my system; comeon yaar show the same skill levels against SA or PAK for once)
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The NZ example just says that limits to talent peak after a certain level and top nations operate at +/- 5-10% of each other irrspective of the population.
Pakistan and India in previous decades played with similar facilities, culture and professionalism to Bangladesh today, maybe even worse. But they managed to keep up with top teams way more consistently. Won world events even with a beggar board and poor economy. What has kept Bangladesh a Zimbabwe level side? Why are they way behind the curve? Lack of talent is the obvious answer.
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How can a country win a U-19 world title without talent?
Issue was always inconsistency. Not talent. BD have a population of over 160-million. Are you saying there aren't any talent for cricket?
Anyway. You are entitled to your opinion.
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I do not follow domestic cricket. I am only interested in international cricket.
I don't have much comment on the squad. But, Shanto (opener) shouldn't play T20. He is a Test player. It is like playing Wriddhiman Saha for T20.
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There is one thing that needs to be considered is that these days most cricket playing countries these days have established facities and a strong sporting culture, atleast with regards to cricket. Cricket back in the 80s/90s is quite different from modern era. It transpired into a lot more professional sport in the late 90s and 00s.
To me the concept of highlighting TALENT is a lazy way to explain certain situations. Do I think Bangladesh has limited talents? Perhaps you can mention that when comparing with a country like Afghanistan. Yes, that is one case where you can say that Afghanistan is afloat in the cricketing spectrum due to their immense talent despite far inferior facilities.
I do not think that we have loads of talent. Our talent pool is inferior to other nations on average - Yes but it is actually pretty good even if you do not wish to accept it. But where does the problem begins? Well, first off, we were awarded test status 10 years earlier than we should have gotten. And on top of that we have had a plethora of poor management and corruption that hindered our progress. I would say they are mainly down to the following:
1) Lack of quality coaches and poor coaching approaches in age levels. You want me to give you an example - look at how many wrist spinners and/or mystery spinners we have as well as the range of shots our batsmen....or how many batsmen in our country are unorthodox like Surya.
2) Rampant corruption in club cricket level. This is something that has intensified in the last 10-15 years.
3) Only 4 domestic tournaments all year for professional cricketers.
4) Domestics being held in the same old pitches and with poor pitches, outfield, etc.
5) Lack of strategic planning when it comes to graduation from domestics to national team due to a lack of A team structure. Between 2015 and 2021 our A team played only one series, yes, only one - in England in 2015.
6) BCB hoarding money and investing it on their own pleasure trips while paying poor amounts to curators, coaches, umpires
Do not be fooled by the aesthetics of those 1-2 stadiums or BCB boasting that they are the 4th richest cricket board. These are all just outward factors, in reality, our cricket team is doomed to fail unless we fix these factors.
The way I see it, where do they disappear from teenage to adulthood? Why is the conversion rate so poor despite Bangladesh board doing well and Cricket being followed passionately?
There are examples of equally or worse mismanaged systems, where talent came through despite all the odds. U19 for me is just early signs, doesn't tell you a lot about how much they will peak after a certain level. You can only spot prodigies there, and that's about it.
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That is what we have been trying to convey. The conversion rate is woeful.
Cricket being followed passionately means we have talents coming through the ranks BUT BCB doing well financially does not mean they are investing money on our cricket properly. It is almost like you earn a million dollar a year but you do not buy a good home, do not provide your children with proper education services, medication, materials and then when they grow up incompetent you blame your child for being hopeless.
Sooner or later this attitude will come and bite BCB's behind. Fans start losing interest once the big players retire or the team does so poorly, they don't want to spend time getting behind them. And right there and then, money starts to dry up. Terrible decision by BCB if this is true.
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They have never been able to slog so it was so bizarre to see, it was like playing a new video game for the first time where you go for a big chukka on each ball and end up all out for 50 runs, surely they are better then that even with those players. Do you know why some of the big names were not playing?
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Retirements (Tamim and Mushfiq). Mahmudullah was dropped.
Those players are close to retirements anyway. Time to focus on new players.
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BD does not even have a talent like Rashid Khan the batsman, nevermind his bowling abilities. All I see is talk and no results.
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Shows your poor understanding of cricket. I have played cricket at various levels and you can clearly see who has talent and can progress and who is there just to have some fun. Talent in batting is about the ability to quickly pick up length of the ball and be Ina position to get into right positions. You need great eye sight, fast twitching muscles and agility. Not not everyone has it and random players cannot become good players professionally irrespective of how much you practice
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Salty about what achievements? Repeatedly failing is it?
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Bangladesh has never won a mult-nation series/tournament that had multiple top 8 test playing nations. In any series that involved (Bangladesh, top8, top8), they lost.
Let that sink in. They have never, ever won any non-bilateral series that didn't involve minnows. Literally don't know how to handle pressure at international level
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Nope.
Any person can become a good cricketer with the right ingredients. Talent plays only a small part.
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You are just salty about Bangladesh and Bangladeshi people in general (evident from your past posts). That's okay. Nobody cares.
Also, answer me this. If there is no talent in Bangladesh, what do you want Bangladeshis to do? Do you want Bangladeshis to cry in a sad Hindi song? I am not getting what you want us to do.
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Yeah. Let that sink in. Sure. No problem.
You want to call us minnows. That's okay. I agree BD are minnows.
You want to say there is no talent in BD. I disagree but that's also okay.
Either way, you are just a random guy on the internet. Your comment doesn't have as much weight as comments from recognized coaches, ex-players etc.
Anyway. Carry on.
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You said talent is subjective and now you saying bangla has talent.
How do you measure the talent ?
No single trophy indicates no talent.
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lol ok. Who's the recgonized coach you speak of? Khaled Mahmud? No coach who's paid to make the team better would explicitly say the country has zero talent.
I don't have interest humoring delusional fans. About time Bangladesh fans started worshipping the talentless players and vote with their wallet. Nobody wants Bangladesh to remain minnow, a stronger Bangladesh means better competition for every team.
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We don't only have Khaled Mahmud.
Over the past few years, BD have had coaches like Courtney Walsh, Hathurusinghe, Allan Donald, Rangana Herath, Daniel Vettori, Steve Rhodes etc. Their opinions matter far more than a random fan's opinion.
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South Africa also have no world title. Does that mean they have no talent?
Talent is indeed subjective. It is like beauty.
Every country has talent including Bangladesh. But, that talent has to be nurtured in order to see results.
India haven't won any trophy since 2013 despite IPL and preferential treatments. Does that mean India have no talent?
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Do you mean ICC trophy? We have won trophies, issue with BD is they haven't won even an Asia cup or Nidhas trophy.
They always come short against Ind, Pak or Lanka in KO tournaments.
ICC trophy is premier and we have won it in 2013(2013 isn’t that far though) , plus we also win test cricket series..
If the BD fans itself don’t demand trophies from their team then obviously they won’t win.
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Which ICC trophy did India win since 2013? Their last win was in 2013 CT.
With IPL and everything, India really should be winning more trophies.
BD are not in a position win trophy yet. They have regressed. I think they need to start over like they did in 2006-2007.
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We have won non ICC trophies boss, Asia cup atleast twice plus test cricket.
Also just so you know lol, 1983 and 1985 we won the top ICC tournaments without all the support and not even a coach at times same with SL and Pakistan.
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Do not count why?
Coz you said so? 1985 World Championship of cricket.. it was a top tournament back then.
Even if you only count ICC world tournaments we have 2007,2011 and 1983…
You are the only poster claiming India doesn’t have cricketing talent coz we haven’t won an ICC tournament since 2013..(which isn’t that far mind you).
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1985 World Championship of cricket? What's that? Nobody mentions it. It is not counted as an ICC trophy.
Are you referring to JAMODIs? Even Bangladesh won an ODI series in South Africa. JAMODIS don't count.
Yeah. Stick to 1983 and 2011. No wonder why India haven't won any trophy since 2013. Stuck in the past.
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Lol what? What Jamodis I’m talking about Asia cup.. No Indian poster would ever bring in Bilateral coz we have plenty of those.
2013 is past?
Let me guess you think Brazil, Argentina and Italy dont have football talent because they last won wc more than 10 years ago?
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No. I didn't say India didn't have talent. I said by his logic, India didn't have talent since 2013 due to no trophy.
BTW, just looked up 1985 "World Championship of Cricket". It was not an ICC event. It was an ODI series hosted by Australia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Championship_of_Cricket.
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that’s why I said this to make a point:
“Even if you only count ICC world tournaments we have 2007,2011 and 1983…”
Lets just speak to 2007 then no IPL etc but we won the trophy right? Or 1983 without a coach , keeping it simple for you.. why do you think India won those and BD can’t win now? (or reach finals)?
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I didn't say no trophy means no talent. Cover Drive Six said it. Please scroll up and read again.
Asia Cup is an irrelevant JAMODI series.
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Plz tell us which tournaments matter so I’ll only argue on those , Also SA have a 1998 ICC trophy in BD.
Also Bd in its entirety hasnt won a major trophy even- Asia cup.
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CT is not the same as an world title. South Africa have no world title.
We have derailed from what we are discussing. We are discussing whether or not talent is subjective and whether or not it can be measured objectively.
BD indeed haven't won anything. Did I say they did?
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The reason why no one doubts Saffers cricketing talent is because of their GUN test cricketing exploits having won everywhere.
If BD had that no one would doubt BD talent either.
IPL will help India to make a bigger pool of skilled players. It did. What you have is replacements for the main lot. Great examples are the test series win in AUS and the recent series vs SA where ODIs were played and won by 'A' team while main team was prepping for the World cup.
Winning tournaments needs a bit of luck. Especially in a game like cricket where a single catch or toss or weather matters.
Yes, BD have regressed a lot. I think Mushfiqur stayed too long, Mohamadullah left early. Shakib needs to be more interested, Litton should be keeping. You also regressed in the spin department. Most of all, I think you need confidence that you can win.
It was similar to what is Champions trophy today witgh all the top teams of the world participating in it including WI, IND. PAK, AUS, NZ, SL & ENG. Also it is remembered for being the first ever multi-country tournament to be played incoloured clothing and white ball. What makes it most memeorable is because the final was played between IND & PAK.
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I see.
I just looked up. It was not an ICC event. It was an event hosted by Cricket Australia. It was a multinational ODI series.
Never knew about this tournament. I watch cricket since 1997.
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Not sure if IPL is helping India. I think it is creating sloggers in the team. But, let's see how it goes.
Not just IPL. But, I think all T20 leagues are harmful.
Regarding Bangladesh, I think they have to start from scratch again (like they did in 2006). Shakib era needs to be over.
I remember it very vaguely as I was a 6 year old then.
@bold: Yes, its not an official ICC event but include all the 7 test playing nations of that time.
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Talents probably dont mean much in the grand scheme of things. Look at Belgium football, they have one of the most talented group of players, yet can hardly win any games come major tournament times. Look at WI, loads of talents, but no application, and board seems pretty corrupt as well.
BD players are slow learners, takes a long time to come good. One day, Nazmul Hossain Shanto will come good as well, but not sure when though.
BD players are slow learners, takes a long time to come good. One day, Nazmul Hossain Shanto will come good as well, but not sure when though.
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Apart from Liton and Taskin, no one is developing like they should.
Fizz was very good when he started but has regressed. Same thing with Soumya, Miraz, Nurul Hasan and Mosaddek.
They need to hire Mashrafe in a management role. Ban was at its most competitive under him.
Shakib's had attitude problems and thinks of himself bigger than Ban Cricket. Same thing with Mushfiq.
Tamim and Mahmudullah are sensible minds who have made the most of their talent. Maybe Tamim could have been better in LOIs as he goes into his shell unnecessarily.
That guy Papon would be a big nuisance for not just cricketers but their fans as well because of him interfering everywhere.
Fizz was very good when he started but has regressed. Same thing with Soumya, Miraz, Nurul Hasan and Mosaddek.
They need to hire Mashrafe in a management role. Ban was at its most competitive under him.
Shakib's had attitude problems and thinks of himself bigger than Ban Cricket. Same thing with Mushfiq.
Tamim and Mahmudullah are sensible minds who have made the most of their talent. Maybe Tamim could have been better in LOIs as he goes into his shell unnecessarily.
That guy Papon would be a big nuisance for not just cricketers but their fans as well because of him interfering everywhere.
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Do Bangladesh fans never want their teams to win? Every other team would stop watching cricket if their favourite remainder a minnow forever. Do Bangladesh fans really have that low expectation from their team?
It's basically - win or lose (more like lose or lose) we support our team no matter what, because they work so hard to lose every match.
I actually want Bangladesh team to win more against top teams, it seems the fans are the ones who don't care how bad the team performs.
It's basically - win or lose (more like lose or lose) we support our team no matter what, because they work so hard to lose every match.
I actually want Bangladesh team to win more against top teams, it seems the fans are the ones who don't care how bad the team performs.
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BD is around for so long and still suck
get them out
give NED and ireland the time they deserve to get better
get them out
give NED and ireland the time they deserve to get better
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Bangladesh are stuck in early 2000s they have not progressed
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No it is not a case of people supporting them no matter what. The fan following has actually lowered quite a bit
Fans genuinely expect BD to do well.
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Why do you think BD players fade away after showing promise? And how are the U19 WC winning squad members doing in domestics?
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So I am finally getting to write from my PC. I hated typing on mobile phone.
So to put it in a narrative-
India, Nepal and Bangladesh - the genetics and cultural upbringing of players from these countries when it comes to athleticism are very similar. Compared to Lankans and Pakistanis, these three nations do not have readymade talents that are going to succeed to aspects that are more reliant on big hitting or fast bowling. But what puts India ahead of everyone else? Despite being a relatively mediocre team in the 70s-90s, in the late 00s India focused a great deal on 1) Professionalism of the players 2) Increasing number of games 3) Having pitches in domestics that will prepare players for international arena 4) Having intolerance towards lack of discipline. Now India had some tall fast bowlers here and there, and strong men like yuvi and MSD who were outliers, with Yuvi especially being a big phenomenon in 2007 T20WC. To me, India's win in that tournament was a fluke - most teams had little idea about the format and India even in their subsequent 2 tournaments won 0 game in the main round and also crashed out in 2012 before semis. But by then India had already had a successful IPL that was into its 5th seasons and from then onwards they were pretty dominant in every subsequent WT20 and none of the performance were flukes. 2014, 2016 they were pretty good although they did face the likes of Lanka and WI at tough moments. 2021 - Yes they didnt qualify but i believe the toss factor was important in the games vs Pakistan and NZ. It shows that incredibly strong system can more than make up for a set of players that would not come across as genetically gifted. I mean if it were down to genetics SA would have been bossing WT20s but alas, they have not got into the semi finals in the last 8 years. Now i am not so shallow to think that it all boils down to genetics - It is just one of the several factors when it comes to developing a T20 team but you would be unwise to brush it off as insignificant
Wait, so this poster is mentioning Nepal again, yes and for good reason. Nepal played their first WT20 in 2014 and went on to beat HK and Afghanistan, both teams with much more experience and quality players. Soon, they had the likes of lamichanne who became a global phenomenon. And when it comes to popularity, cricket is huge in nepal and perhaps people there are a lot more crazy about the sport than in rest of Asia. I am mentioning popularity because a few folks here was arguing that due to our large following we should be producing more quality cricketers - which IMO is partially true. In fact, they even qualified for the quarter finals of U19 WC in 2016 - incredible right? But since then, they have not been able to make any tangible progress and even their star player Sandeep will have to serve up to 12 years in prison due to raping a minor.
The reason why i bring these two contrasting examples is because Bangladesh in the last 10 years have followed Nepal more than India. We have not had any new annual domestic T20 competition outside BPL. We only have one annual List A competition with talks of a second one only very recently. We have a cricket culture that does not advocate for unorthodox cricketers unlike Sri Lanka, hence we do not have many wrist spinners, pinch hitters, 360 batsmen like Surya, etc. We have played only 1 A-team series between 2015-2021. The pitches are god awful. BPL went from being a strong league in 2018/19 to becoming one of the least sought after franchise league off late. Poor pitches. Players and match official do not earn much. The amount of corruption in our cricket has risen exponentially over the last 10 years to the point that 1st and 2nd division tournaments are 90% fixed. The only thing strong is that we have a good U19 structure which allows us to be competitive in U19 level. In the meantime, rest of the cricket world has improved their facilities a lot more. Leggies are promoted even in associate countries - every associate nation even has leggies - Netherlands, UAE, Namibia and Scotland. Our structure, our mindset, is still stuck in the early 2000s. So even though we are supposed to do so much better, we are actually falling behind everyone.
And as for players fading, it is also a case of the things i mentioned previously - poor domestics, lack of A team games are a factor. If someone has off form they go back to the domestics which are so poor it makes the guy worse. One reason why shakib mushy riad tamim didnt fade was because they didnt get relegated to playing domestics. Another reason that i can identify is that, our players are too worried about opinions of people in social media. While other teams became established long ago, when we started to get a grip of the challenges of international cricket, social media bloomed and every one of our young cricketers would be active on social media and would constantly read what others had to say and that was never a healthy activity. The expectations of these players were skyhigh but their potentials - not that great. These lopsided expectations actually result in these players performing a lot worse than what their stats say.
One more thing i will add is that, there is a lack of high standards in our mindsets. I know our team are reasonably happy with our performance this WT20. I can understand why. We have been so rubbish in the past that even 2 wins regardless of the opposition would be an achievement. The bonus? Even compete with big teams in two games with narrowly lose one while strongly challenge the other. However, if you are going to have such low standards it will be hard to ever be successful. Now what we fans think do not matter, but the ones that matter in the middle, they need to be hungry. This campaign should not be seen as a successful one, rather seen it this way - this was our best ever chance to go to a semis of the WT20 but we squandered our opportunity.
The U19 Squad members are doing pretty decent in domestic. Half of them are looking good to represent BD in the future, rest half will wither away soon.
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I personally did not have much expectations from our team this time. They actually exceeded expectations but that does not mean they did really well this time.
The bigger issue is that a die-hard fan like myself should not be going into a tournament expecting that my team that has been around for so long are struggling to compete against ASSOCIATE nations.
A stat for you boys
Number of wins by Netherlands against test playing countries in WT20 - 4
Number of wins by Bangladesh against test playing countries in WT20 - 2
The bigger issue is that a die-hard fan like myself should not be going into a tournament expecting that my team that has been around for so long are struggling to compete against ASSOCIATE nations.
A stat for you boys
Number of wins by Netherlands against test playing countries in WT20 - 4
Number of wins by Bangladesh against test playing countries in WT20 - 2
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Good to know. I hope BD fans stop watching more and more matches until it sends a warning to BCB. I don't see any other way for the board to take things seriously and try to improve. The BCB takes Bangladesh fans for granted
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Irrelevant in the grander scheme of things. If BCB sees fans disappearing they wont spur into action or anything. It is just that BCB is like a picnic organization where the ones in important posts do not understand cricket and don't take actions. Half the BCB directors are in Australia - why? They should be at home overseeing our structure and not going on a vacation to watch games from the stands.
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You are wrong here.
India is a large country, the regions near Bangladesh might have the same genetics or culture but that isn't true for the whole country.
India has dominated Pakistan in most things which require force or Strength, from Olympics to Wrestling to actual wars.
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As I said it was a shallow assumption
The group of people who play the sport in India aren't exactly the most genetically gifted was what I was discussing and obviously I was over exaggerating for the sake of the narrative. I am aware there are folks like Yousuf pathan.
As for Olympics and other sports, I do not follow that much so hard to comment
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Malnourished T20 team.
Surely they can bring in a strength and conditioning coach. They need to eat more lamb, beef and chicken.
Surely they can bring in a strength and conditioning coach. They need to eat more lamb, beef and chicken.
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Do you think Ban Cricket would be better off once Papon leaves?
