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With Shehzad's emergence and Hafeez doing ok it looks like a bleak future for Taufeeq.

What do you reckon?
 
He has been treated badly by the selectors, but that is history now. Pakistan have to move on now. In my opnion one opening spot is still vacant and Azhar Ali is best suited to take that. Hafeez was only there because of his bowling and should be omitted permanently now.
 
Hopefully. The guy was finished in 2012.

Time to move on to Haris Sohail.
 
Shehzad with Azhar as Opener, YK at One Down, Haris Sohail and then Onward With same combination would be an ideal team !
 
He should be respected and remembered in good light, just like other retired players.

A retired cricketer is like a dead relative/friend. You only look to remember the good in him/her.

Toffee was a quality Test opener with excellent technique against pace. His performance in 2003 SA testifies that. Unfortunately, he was mistreated big time in Tests and should have been a fixture in the team from 2003-2010. Now, he is finished and time to move on.

I don't appreciate the way these teenagers who started watching cricket in 2009 patronizing and disrespecting him by calling him rubbish and all that. It is not his fault that he is over the hill now.

Post-Saeed Anwar, arguably the finest Test opener who was always professional and never moaned about getting mistreated. An unfulfilled career and I feel very bad for him but now it is our job to show him respect he richly deserves.
 
Much better player than Hafeez, why is he getting so much hatred on this forum? He is one of the good openers Pakistan has produced in a while

Why do people not like him? he is not dynamic enough I guess
 
A very good player, hate to see people's career ending in this fashion but his time is up.

Must be respected for playing as a true professional.
 
Mamoon said:
He should be respected and remembered in good light, just like other retired players.

A retired cricketer is like a dead relative/friend. You only look to remember the good in him/her.

Toffee was a quality Test opener with excellent technique against pace. His performance in 2003 SA testifies that. Unfortunately, he was mistreated big time in Tests and should have been a fixture in the team from 2003-2010. Now, he is finished and time to move on.

I don't appreciate the way these teenagers who started watching cricket in 2009 patronizing and disrespecting him by calling him rubbish and all that. It is not his fault that he is over the hill now.

Post-Saeed Anwar, arguably the finest Test opener who was always professional and never moaned about getting mistreated. An unfulfilled career and I feel very bad for him but now it is our job to show him respect he richly deserves.
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Yea. He should be respected and treated in a good way. I don't remember any other player except IK who retired on a high Note !
 
Mamoon said:
He should be respected and remembered in good light, just like other retired players.

A retired cricketer is like a dead relative/friend. You only look to remember the good in him/her.

Toffee was a quality Test opener with excellent technique against pace. His performance in 2003 SA testifies that. Unfortunately, he was mistreated big time in Tests and should have been a fixture in the team from 2003-2010. Now, he is finished and time to move on.

I don't appreciate the way these teenagers who started watching cricket in 2009 patronizing and disrespecting him by calling him rubbish and all that. It is not his fault that he is over the hill now.

Post-Saeed Anwar, arguably the finest Test opener who was always professional and never moaned about getting mistreated. An unfulfilled career and I feel very bad for him but now it is our job to show him respect he richly deserves.
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Can't believe I'm saying this - but agree with Mamoon 100% for once. Highly talented, showed his ability against genuine pace in SA, mistreated but never complained - Mamoon captures it all.

The never complaining bit is really impressive when you consider how many of our players start whining to the media at the slightest hint of mistreatment.

Taufeeq was the polar opposite to Salman Butt in every way.
 
Let the guy breathe a little easy ! Not only one game to be judged upon ! Give him a fair chance and if he didnt delivers, he should be dropped ! The selection or dropping criteria should be based on giving a fair chance to anyone ! He's a good player and has served pakistan ! U dont do this with a senior player !


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His selection and azhar batting one down cost us big time.
The top 3 we played in this game was a joke.

I hope team mngt for once shows some sense and drop toffee for good.

Shan is lucky as we have injuries so he might play one more game.

azhat tuk tuk and tuk tuk ali should open.

I hope misbah gives haris a go. A guy that deserves to play on merit.
 
I like Taufeeq the guy but he as a batsman is awful. Can't play swing and can't play spin. Take minnows out and you will see his real average.
 
Now he is over the hill player.... he should be told by the selectors ... Thank you but no thanks for the future... you have no future... retire yourself or we will drop you for good
 
Bullet Drive said:
I like Taufeeq the guy but he as a batsman is awful. Can't play swing and can't play spin. Take minnows out and you will see his real average.
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When did you start watching int. Cricket? Your posts suggest it must have been not long ago.
 
IAJ said:
When did you start watching int. Cricket? Your posts suggest it must have been not long ago.
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Is a ton in SA all you guys care about? If so surely Azhar Mahmood should be playing?

That hundred was 12 years ago. 12 years. Since what has he done?

He can't play off-spin.
 
Far from awful. He was mistreated by Inzamam.

Also an excellent catcher in his prime.
 
Agree that he was good once upon a time but at this stage he is seriously blocking a youngster like Haris.
 
He gets dropped for a reason. He plays the odd good innings but shows severe technical issues and a string of failures which explain why he ends up getting dropped.
 
Former Pakistan batsman Taufeeq Umar tests positive for coronavirus

Former Pakistan batsman Taufeeq Umar tests positive for coronavirus

TN Sports DeskUpdated

May 24, 2020 | 01:31 IST

Former Pakistan batsman Taufeeq Umar has tested positive for coronavirus. A vital cog of the Pakistan Test and ODI sides in the early 2000s. Umar last played for his country in 2014 in a Test match against New Zealand in Dubai. Umar is currently under self-isolation at his home, as per a report in Cricket Pakistan

The coronavirus pandemic has brought the entire world to a standstill, claiming the lives of lakhs of people around the globe. The pandemic has left the sporting calendar shattered with several major events across the world getting postponed or cancelled. So far numerous top footballers have tested positive for COVID-19 but Umar's case is the first major one in cricket.

Umar made his debut for Pakistan in August 2001 in a Test match against Bangladesh where he made an instant impact with the willow. The left-hander notched up a brilliant knock of 104 runs off 163 deliveries to help Pakistan register a comprehensive victory by an innings and 264 runs.

He formed a formidable opening partnership with the likes of Imran Nazir and Salman Butt later in his career but never managed to live up to the expectations due to the lack of form and fitness issues. He played 44 Tests and 22 ODIs for Pakistan amassing 2963 runs and 504 runs in the two formats respectively.

He slammed seven centuries and 14 half-centuries in Tests but failed to cement his spot in the Pakistan side as the first-choice opener despite showing promising signs early in his career. He tried to make a comeback in the Pakistan side on a couple of occasions after being dropped due to poor form but failed to regain his spot in the side.

Umar retired from international cricket in 2016 to take part in now-defunct Masters Champions League. He played his last First-Class game for Sui Northern in October 2018 before quitting all forms of cricket. Umar played 177 First-Class matches amassing over 10,000 runs.

Link: https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...eq-umar-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/596165
 
As per reports, Taufeeq Umar has tested positive for novel coronavirus (Covid-19) and is currently in self-isolation at his home.
 
Wishing him a speedy recovery. Also him being a sportsperson there are always high chances of him recovering quick and be able to donate plasma which will help other patients.
 
Wishing him a speedy recovery.

Very underrated and underappreciated cricketer. Really liked him.
 
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Best wishes to Taufeeq.
Test double centurion.
Played a mean straight drive.
Good temperament.
Leading Test run scorer for Pak in 2011 in a year they had a 6-1 Test record in from 10 Tests.
Good slip fielder too who could chip in with some offies.
 
Anyone think he was a really underrated player? He should have played a lot more from 2003-11.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
Anyone think he was a really underrated player? He should have played a lot more from 2003-11.
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He is extremely under rated and unlucky player. Unlucky in a sense that his early days cut path with the four years of Captain Inzi, when you have to be in a close circle to be safe. Guy had a difficult time against those Aussies (Probably got a pair in the game Hayden alone beat PAK by innings), but over all he was quite a decent opener - anything better in 15 years between Saeed & Azhar. I believe, he averaged over 40 as opener when PAK dumped him after 2005 India tour - since then, between 2011, he played one Test at Leeds.

But what cost his career was a selection blunder - PAK kept picking him in ODIs when he was not a LO player - played like 25 ODIs at 25/50 range stats, many of those against ZIM (after 2003), IRL & Kenya. Worse was that, PCB selectors dropped him from Test squad, based on ODI performance.

He still averages close to 40 as Test opener and could have been a 10K+ runs Test opener with around 25 hundreds (Finished with close to 3K runs from 40+ Tests and 6-7 hundreds), was a brilliant slip fielder (back-up WK as well) - a correct opener who could play with straight bat through V. I think, TU should be an example for players like Imam, Sami - instead of trying to be an all-round player, both should focus on becoming a Test specialist.
 
Better than all openers that have played for Pakistan(Tests)in last decade or more, barring only Azhar maybe but Azhar didn't always play as an opener. Easily 10x better than guys like Hapheez, Khurram, Farhat etc
 
MMHS said:
He is extremely under rated and unlucky player. Unlucky in a sense that his early days cut path with the four years of Captain Inzi, when you have to be in a close circle to be safe. Guy had a difficult time against those Aussies (Probably got a pair in the game Hayden alone beat PAK by innings), but over all he was quite a decent opener - anything better in 15 years between Saeed & Azhar. I believe, he averaged over 40 as opener when PAK dumped him after 2005 India tour - since then, between 2011, he played one Test at Leeds.

But what cost his career was a selection blunder - PAK kept picking him in ODIs when he was not a LO player - played like 25 ODIs at 25/50 range stats, many of those against ZIM (after 2003), IRL & Kenya. Worse was that, PCB selectors dropped him from Test squad, based on ODI performance.

He still averages close to 40 as Test opener and could have been a 10K+ runs Test opener with around 25 hundreds (Finished with close to 3K runs from 40+ Tests and 6-7 hundreds), was a brilliant slip fielder (back-up WK as well) - a correct opener who could play with straight bat through V. I think, TU should be an example for players like Imam, Sami - instead of trying to be an all-round player, both should focus on becoming a Test specialist.
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Excellent post and totally agree! He was definitely unfairly treated
 
MMHS said:
He is extremely under rated and unlucky player. Unlucky in a sense that his early days cut path with the four years of Captain Inzi, when you have to be in a close circle to be safe. Guy had a difficult time against those Aussies (Probably got a pair in the game Hayden alone beat PAK by innings), but over all he was quite a decent opener - anything better in 15 years between Saeed & Azhar. I believe, he averaged over 40 as opener when PAK dumped him after 2005 India tour - since then, between 2011, he played one Test at Leeds.

But what cost his career was a selection blunder - PAK kept picking him in ODIs when he was not a LO player - played like 25 ODIs at 25/50 range stats, many of those against ZIM (after 2003), IRL & Kenya. Worse was that, PCB selectors dropped him from Test squad, based on ODI performance.

He still averages close to 40 as Test opener and could have been a 10K+ runs Test opener with around 25 hundreds (Finished with close to 3K runs from 40+ Tests and 6-7 hundreds), was a brilliant slip fielder (back-up WK as well) - a correct opener who could play with straight bat through V. I think, TU should be an example for players like Imam, Sami - instead of trying to be an all-round player, both should focus on becoming a Test specialist.
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I liked Toffee but 5-6 K test runs @ 38-42 was his max potential
 
Taufiq was definitely unappreciated. Scored a hundred in SA early on his career against Donald and Pollock showing his ability.

He should've played 60-70 Tests but instead the likes of Salman Butt and Imran Farhat were wasting spaces at the top of the order. Hope he recovers swiftly.
 
Xoib said:
I liked Toffee but 5-6 K test runs @ 38-42 was his max potential
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No, he had much higher celling, because of his age - he debuted at 19. Officially, he is still one year younger than Mo Hafeez, just 38 now. As a Test specialist, he could have played Test cricket even now days. Starting career in 2001, at an average PAK played 7-8 Tests in 18-19 years, that’s around 150 Tests (YK played 118 Tests starting in 2000 and retiring in 2017, almost to this date, on top of that he missed few Tests for indifferent reasons - PAK did play around 130 Tests in those 17 years)

Take 85-90% of 150 Tests that Taufique could have played, it comes around 130 Tests. During these time PAK played openers like Butt, Farhat, Hameed, MoHa, Shan, Sami, Shehzad, Azhar, Imam, Fakhar, Abid.... could be few more - apart from Azhar, no one comes close to Taufique as Test opener, not even Hameed. Those 15-20 Tests that I had taken out are for injuries, otherwise guy could have definitely played close to 150 Tests.

He has almost 3K runs in 43 Tests, that’s around 68 runs/Test. Being opener, he would have played more innings, hence his average would have been lower, but not runs/Test (higher actually). His career stats hardly includes any Test at the prime age (for most) of a batsman - 29 +/- 3 years either side. Even if I take that 68 runs/Test (that was despite PAK playing more share of games against AUS, SAF, IND), to reach 10000 runs, he would have required 147 Tests and prorate a century in every 6-7 Tests, it does come around 23-25. And, his career peak were spread over a decade - guy made a come back sometimes in 2010-11 and scored a double in UAE, another hundred in WIN, which suggests he was kept out of team not for form only.

Lots of ifs and buts there, but it was a possibility that TU could have closed YK, definitely would have crossed Inzi, Javed & MoYo - simple reason is, guy was much better than what else were available for a specialist job - Test opener. And, he is probably the second PAK fielder (after YK), who has a better than 1 Catch/Test ratio for a significant number of games; could bowl decent offie as well. 150 Tests indeed was a stress, but guy was robbed at least 60-70 more Tests than his 43.
 
Got messed around by the selection committee but should have been persisted with..Abid Ali reminds me a lot of Taufeeq
 
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Looked an excellent player at the start of his career but like all those of that generation( Farhat and Nazir), he fell away quickly. Once the performances declined, he didn't have the mental toughness to come out of the rut.
 
‘Isolated myself in a room’: Former Pakistan player talks about his COVID-19 experience

Taufeeq Umar had recently announced that he had contracted the novel coronavirus and was self isolating himself. The Pakistan opener of the mid-2000s becoming the second cricketer from the country to have contracted the virus. After deciding to get himself checked after complaining of symptoms associated with the Coronavirus, the results came out positive and Umar has since kept himself isolated. Now Taufeeq has recovered from the virus and has advised people to build up their immune systems.

Umar has said that people should take the virus seriously and follow all social distancing and safety measures recommended by medical professionals.

On Friday, Umar said he had made a full recovery from the virus and his test has come negative.

“I would urge everyone to take care of themselves and take this Covid-19 seriously. Social distancing and safety measures are a must for everyone,” he said.

Umar, 38, who appeared in 44 Tests and 22 ODIs, said people should panic if they contract the virus.

“I isolated myself in a room for two weeks away from the children and elderly people in my family. I would say people should not be alarmed if they test positive. I would advise them to work on building up their immune system,” he said.

At least two Pakistani first-class players have died from the coronavirus with leg-spinner Riaz Sheikh passing away in Karachi earlier this week.

Riaz Sheikh, a leg-spinner who took 116 wickets in 43 matches, died at his home and was buried in haste by his family.

Another Pakistani first-class player, Zafar Sarfaraz, 50, had died due to the virus in April in Peshawar.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...s-seriously/story-MHEaQBvwU4MJTHzpvZoSAP.html
 
Just found out that Shan broke Toffe Kumar’s score of 135 in SA.

how did the high scores in SA land into the pockets of two average openers?
 
gazza619 said:
Just found out that Shan broke Toffe Kumar’s score of 135 in SA.

how did the high scores in SA land into the pockets of two average openers?
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Don't think he was average if players like rizwan are world class

Rizwan
37 matches - 3 x 100 and 10 x 50

Taufiq
44 matches - 7 x 100 and 14 x 50

Shan
40 matches - 6 x 100 and 10 x 50

Was just good as rizwan if not better
 
emranabbas said:
Don't think he was average if players like rizwan are world class

Rizwan
37 matches - 3 x 100 and 10 x 50

Taufiq
44 matches - 7 x 100 and 14 x 50

Shan
40 matches - 6 x 100 and 10 x 50

Was just good as rizwan if not better
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Please can we stop polluting every thread with Riz bashing.

On topic Toffee was decent against pace but didn’t have much clue against spin.
 
He probably had one of the weirdest batting techniques of all time.

Good Test batter. Played some good innings.
 
Toffee was solid, good straight driver, should've had a proper run in the side instead of being replaced to accomodate likes of Farhat and Butt.

Good slip fielder too.
 
gazza619 said:
Please can we stop polluting every thread with Riz bashing.

On topic Toffee was decent against pace but didn’t have much clue against spin.
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It's not about criticizing Rizwan if he’s considered the benchmark and is regarded as world-class. Others with similar or better stats and comparable contributions to Pakistan cricket should be held to the same standard.

In my view, either all three are world-class, or none of them are.
 
gazza619 said:
Just found out that Shan broke Toffe Kumar’s score of 135 in SA.

how did the high scores in SA land into the pockets of two average openers?
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Taufiq was a very decent Pakistan Test cricketer

He’s Pakistan’s Niel McKenzie
 
Both him and Yasir hameed were much better players than Salman but, Imran farhat, hafeez. A shame both of them never fulfilled their potential. Both were treated pretty unfairly too.
 
khyberlion said:
Both him and Yasir hameed were much better players than Salman but, Imran farhat, hafeez. A shame both of them never fulfilled their potential. Both were treated pretty unfairly too.
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Hafeez was probably the Worst batsman of them all in test cricket but his all round status after his 2010 comeback made him a decent player.
 
Mobashir said:
Hafeez was probably the Worst batsman of them all in test cricket but his all round status after his 2010 comeback made him a decent player.
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Hafeez was decent after 2010, but still was a liability away from SC conditions. He had no right to play more games than Yasir Hameed and Taufeeq Umar.
 
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