The Unpredictable Pakistan team is back after 12 years!

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Ever since the 2009 SL team attack and the 2010 fixing saga PCT went into hiding and became very timid. No sledging, aggression or any excitement. Apart from 2009 WT20, 2011 WC and 2017 CT no fight on the field. Most bright young stars got wasted. The likes of Misbah, Azhar captaining us and Shehzad, Azhar, Akmal featuring in the side was a nightmare for any fan. Having no cricket at home mentally affected our players especially pacers who are known for aggression. It was embarassing to compare our players to Australian and Indian stars.

I hope this excitement and aggression continues.

We have good attacking young stars to look forward to like Azam, Zaman, Shaheen, Rauf, Haider etc who like to fight till the last ball. Hope they make us proud iA. All we need is a good young spinner for the 2023 WC in India

Pakistan cricket is back on track. Our neighbors were lucky that 2009 and 2010 sagas took place Lets slowly beat them in the rankings like we always have throughout history before 2007

 

[Hasan123]

We still have issues in the middle order and in our bowling. Furthermore we do need to remember that SA had 6 key players not playing today.


We need to see how we do against the big 3 and NZ in a series before saying stuff like this. Still not convinced we would beat those teams over a series.

 

[Titan24]

2009 and 2010 were definitely the two biggest setbacks any team can face and that too one after another. Cant imagine how any other team could have survived by cricket at home being taken away and not only that but, 2 of the best bowlers and a young captain with everything to be successful getting banned from the game.

Pak cricket has done extremely well to survive all this and many fans and experts often overlook these facts and only consider things on the face value.

It has come a long way since then however, Pak team still needs more match winners and characters in my opinion. Some young players are really developing well but, they need more support from others.

 

[sam_ahm]

Congratulations to Pakistan on winning the series . They are developing well and that is always good to see.

 

[mazkhan]

The advent of the psl, improved domestic fc structure , and players having a chance to play at home has definently benefited the pakistani players and team performance .

Still some deadwood hanging around domestics and using connections to get selected but hopefully in a few yrs this will be sorted , next step is too get rid of the journeymen hogging spots in domestic cricket and stopping younger players from getting crucial games which hinders their development.

 

[Abid Z]

I think this is a very immature and premature thread. SSA can break down any minute
Fakhar has made good runs but there were some streaky shots there. Rizwan and babar are quality.

But the middle order is awful and the bowling attack is insipid. Oh and the youngsters coming through don’t look too bright. Other than that yes all is good. Let’s shout and scream at the opposition to show how tough we are.

 

[gazza619]

Misbah / Waqar will try their level best to send us down the drain, thats my only concern.

On the thread, yes finally we have a half decent side after a very long time. If only we can pick the right players going forward.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Haters gonna hate but this team has potential
A world class top 3 all aged 30 and under
Many developing all rounders such as Faheem, Nawaz, Shadab (all quite young and can improve despite few good performances so far)
A world class left arm fast swing bowler in Shaheen
Couple of developing fast bowlers in Hasnain and Rauf who can both bowl over 90mph


Still lacking a proper spinner but Qadir has potential. Middle order needs the likes of Haris Sohail to come back and Haider needs to be given a go.

By no means are we anywhere near the best side in the world but potential and hope is there for the first time since the champions trophy win. The way our odi side bottled it following that win was shameful but somewhat expected considering the team was full of oldies like Azhar, Hafeez, Malik and Sarfraz.

 

[shamaan]

We still have issues in the middle order and in our bowling. Furthermore we do need to remember that SA had 6 key players not playing today.


We need to see how we do against the big 3 and NZ in a series before saying stuff like this. Still not convinced we would beat those teams over a series.

If the middle order should consistant off saud at 4,rizwan at 5,haider ali at 6.

 

[shamaan]

I think this is a very immature and premature thread. SSA can break down any minute
Fakhar has made good runs but there were some streaky shots there. Rizwan and babar are quality.

But the middle order is awful and the bowling attack is insipid. Oh and the youngsters coming through don’t look too bright. Other than that yes all is good. Let’s shout and scream at the opposition to show how tough we are.

We conceded 300 or less in 2 of the 3 odis i would take that anytime

 

[ChTab]

Wait until this team plays vs England this summer, we barely won the 3 match series vs SA because most 6 of their 1st team players were not playing either because they left for IPL or they were injured.

The Pakistani team is just an average team in all formats, they are undoubtedly inferior to Eng, Ind, Aus & NZ. They will lose 9 out of 10 times vs the top 4 nations.

 

[ChTab]

Wait until this team plays vs England this summer, we barely won the 3 match series vs SA because most 6 of their 1st team players were not playing either because they left for IPL or they were injured.

The Pakistani team is just an average team in all formats, they are undoubtedly inferior to Eng, Ind, Aus & NZ. They will lose 9 out of 10 times vs the top 4 nations.

The only good thing about this Pakistani team is it's top 3 & even the top 3 has it's limitations. You got Imam who is a good player but can't accelerate, you have Fakhar but he's too inconsistent then you have Babar who doesn't like to take risks most of the time.

Our bowling attack is as good as Bangladesh's attack, only SSA is an exception.

 

[zain7077]

Faisal Akram can be the young spinner we are looking for. He can develop a lot in 3 years and Qadir the other spinner. Both can bat as well and turn the ball in opposite directions and are mystery spinners.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Wait until this team plays vs England this summer, we barely won the 3 match series vs SA because most 6 of their 1st team players were not playing either because they left for IPL or they were injured.

The Pakistani team is just an average team in all formats, they are undoubtedly inferior to Eng, Ind, Aus & NZ. They will lose 9 out of 10 times vs the top 4 nations.

We also played a weakened team. Wait until Haris Sohail, Hafeez, Imad etc. Come back and strengthen the middle order. Your being OTT.

We are solidly 5th place. We won't win too much against top 4 but we can win 3-4/10 times for sure.

 

[mastimasti]

weirdly enough Pakistan are ranked 2nd in the super cup...but what is the super cup?

 

[ChTab]

weirdly enough Pakistan are ranked 2nd in the super cup...but what is the super cup?

ODI Super League, top 8 teams will qualify directly for 2023 WC, India already qualified for the WC because they are the hosts.

 

[ChTab]

We also played a weakened team. Wait until Haris Sohail, Hafeez, Imad etc. Come back and strengthen the middle order. Your being OTT.

We are solidly 5th place. We won't win too much against top 4 but we can win 3-4/10 times for sure.

We didn't played a weakened team this was the best possible team we could have sent, just because you think Haris, Hafeez & Imad should have played doesn't mean that we played a weakened team.

None of these players were dropped because of their injuries maybe only Haris, but in reality, Haris might never play for Pakistan because of his fitness issues since the WC19 everytime he has played he looked quite an ordinary player in every format.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

We didn't played a weakened team this was the best possible team we could have sent, just because you think Haris, Hafeez & Imad should have played doesn't mean that we played a weakened team.

None of these players were dropped because of their injuries maybe only Haris, but in reality, Haris might never play for Pakistan because of his fitness issues since the WC19 everytime he has played he looked quite an ordinary player in every format.

Imad and Haris were dropped I think due to fitness reasons. If they can work on their fitness they walk into the side. Also remember Saud got injured and Haider Ali got a tooth ache so he missed games too.

Haris is still great in one day, but he flopped in tests. Don't mix up formats.

 

[Mamoon]

Khuda ka waasta hai please overcome this rotten, deluded mentality and stop associated words like unpredictability, mercuriality, aggression, corner tigers, roller-coaster ride, passion etc. etc. with Pakistan cricket.

It has destroyed our mentality and done enough damage already. They mean absolutely nothing.

Please.

 

[enigmatic_stani]

Unpredictable? They are predictably slow starters with a poor middle order. Nothing Unpredictable about them for years Im afraid. That all went 10 years ago.

 

[ChTab]

Haris is still great in one day, but he flopped in tests. Don't mix up formats.

How is Haris Sohail still great in ODI's when he has only played 3 ODI's for Pakistan after the 19WC 2vs SL & 1 vs Zim.

I'm not mixing formats but if he had played an ODI after the WC vs a half-decent side his stats would've been the same as they are in tests & T20's.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Ever since the 2009 SL team attack and the 2010 fixing saga PCT went into hiding and became very timid. No sledging, aggression or any excitement. Apart from 2009 WT20, 2011 WC and 2017 CT no fight on the field. Most bright young stars got wasted. The likes of Misbah, Azhar captaining us and Shehzad, Azhar, Akmal featuring in the side was a nightmare for any fan. Having no cricket at home mentally affected our players especially pacers who are known for aggression. It was embarassing to compare our players to Australian and Indian stars.

I hope this excitement and aggression continues.

We have good attacking young stars to look forward to like Azam, Zaman, Shaheen, Rauf, Haider etc who like to fight till the last ball. Hope they make us proud iA. All we need is a good young spinner for the 2023 WC in India

Pakistan cricket is back on track. Our neighbors were lucky that 2009 and 2010 sagas took place Lets slowly beat them in the rankings like we always have throughout history before 2007

That's factually incorrect. Anyways our team didn't need your mediocrity to achieve whatever we could. Pakistan team has never managed to retain no.1 spot for more than 2 months, something which has become a norm for us.

 

[shamaan]

Faisal Akram can be the young spinner we are looking for. He can develop a lot in 3 years and Qadir the other spinner. Both can bat as well and turn the ball in opposite directions and are mystery spinners.

How good is akram with the bat ?

 

[shamaan]

Imad and Haris were dropped I think due to fitness reasons. If they can work on their fitness they walk into the side. Also remember Saud got injured and Haider Ali got a tooth ache so he missed games too.

Haris is still great in one day, but he flopped in tests. Don't mix up formats.

Haris got dropped due to fitness imad got dropped due to not being able to bowl in difference phases of the game thats what wasim stated

 

[shamaan]

Wait until this team plays vs England this summer, we barely won the 3 match series vs SA because most 6 of their 1st team players were not playing either because they left for IPL or they were injured.

The Pakistani team is just an average team in all formats, they are undoubtedly inferior to Eng, Ind, Aus & NZ. They will lose 9 out of 10 times vs the top 4 nations.

Pakistan beat both england and new zealand in the last world cup.

 

[ChTab]

Pakistan beat both england and new zealand in the last world cup.

I said they will lose 9 out of 10 times vs the top 4 nations, I think you're forgetting that the kind of same Pakistani team was trashed by Eng 5-0 just before the WC 19.

Pakistani have done traditionally well vs Eng & NZ in the WC's or in crunch matches.

When it comes to bilateral series these top 4 nations will beat Pakistan 9 out of 10 times, you don't have to go so far back just earlier this year we were hammered by a NZ C side in T20's.

 

[proud_pakistani]

Back where? We beat a third rate South African team with half of its players missing due to IPL.

This team is still very far from being a challenger to India or England. You take out the top 3 and we will be getting bowled out for a paltry score. If Hafeez gets picked that solves the problem a bit and if Imad Wasim plays it improves further.

Our bowling besides Shaheen is not penetrative and needs a fair bit of work as well.

So far from back. Hassan Ali needs to reach Champions Trophy levels while even PCB needs to look at recalling Aamir for LOIs. His presence ensures the rate of scoring to be lower and he builds up pressure which other bowlers just cant.

 

[zain7077]

How good is akram with the bat ?

Not sure but he mentions that he is a bowling all rounder in interviews

 

[shamaan]

Not sure but he mentions that he is a bowling all rounder in interviews

Fair enough.

 

[ammar_merry]

Back where? We beat a third rate South African team with half of its players missing due to IPL.

This team is still very far from being a challenger to India or England. You take out the top 3 and we will be getting bowled out for a paltry score. If Hafeez gets picked that solves the problem a bit and if Imad Wasim plays it improves further.

Our bowling besides Shaheen is not penetrative and needs a fair bit of work as well.

So far from back. Hassan Ali needs to reach Champions Trophy levels while even PCB needs to look at recalling Aamir for LOIs. His presence ensures the rate of scoring to be lower and he builds up pressure which other bowlers just cant.

It was 3 match series.Pls. tell in how many matches players were missing due to ipl???

 

[proud_pakistani]

It was 3 match series.Pls. tell in how many matches players were missing due to ipl???

Still a third rate South African team. As you said it was a 3 match series. We should have beaten them 3-0.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

When will we get rid of this awful, cringeworthy “unpredictable” tag.

 

[mastimasti]

ODI Super League, top 8 teams will qualify directly for 2023 WC, India already qualified for the WC because they are the hosts.

ah...so just like the ICC rankings of old then haha

Does it matter which position you qualify in?

 

[Last Monetarist]

The 1992 World Cup remains a millstone around the neck of cricket in this country. We may have won that battle but we lost the war in the long-run.

 

[HydratedTurnip]

To the OP, you do know that this 'unpredictable' tag is precisely the reason why Pakistan is, at best, a mid tier team and will continue to stay at that level at least in the red ball cricket which requires consistency over an extended period of time rather than unpredictability.

So instead of celebrating it, you should absolutely despise it. And pray that in the next 4-5 years, they are seen as a decent top tier team, rather than a middling one who can upset a top 3 when the stars align just right

 

[Hawkeye]

The incredibly unpredictable Pakistan cricket team!

One day, they'll be at the top of their game.
They'll easily beat the best side when on song.

But

As history proves, they also have a tendency to lose to nobodies. Just like they lost to England C team.

What is it?
Nerves?
Or they don't take the easier sides seriously?

Either way, some would say it's incredible.
Others would want more consistency.

But, if England was playing their best side. in the ODIs, I believe we would have given them a real competition.

Just like in the T20 today.

Great win.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Same unpredictability garbage. Any team can beat any team on a given day. Our limited overs record over the last few years does not scream unpredictable. It screams mediocrity

 

[Last Monetarist]

Minnow mentality.

 

[Savak]

FGS this is T-20 Mickey mouse cricket, even Zimbabwe has beaten Pakistan in this format

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

Ireland defeated SA full strength few days ago.

 

[Rana]

Tbf

That was a great game. Thank you PCB for this experience

 

[Abdurmirr]

We were just whitewashed by England C last week and lost a T20 to Zimbabwe a couple of months ago, but for some reason fans want to celebrate this win and be proud of us returning as a "unpredictable side".

Just shows how content our supporters are with once in a blue moon type performances and how this mentality allows for our players to produce mediocre performances for sustained periods and then give one performance which makes our fans forget everything.

Pathetic really

 

[MenInG]

We were just whitewashed by England C last week and lost a T20 to Zimbabwe a couple of months ago, but for some reason fans want to celebrate this win and be proud of us returning as a "unpredictable side".

Just shows how content our supporters are with once in a blue moon type performances and how this mentality allows for our players to produce mediocre performances for sustained periods and then give one performance which makes our fans forget everything.

Pathetic really

Think you copied a post from someone else from another day.

I saw nothing like what you are talking about last night.

 

[Abdurmirr]

Think you copied a post from someone else from another day.

I saw nothing like what you are talking about last night.

Nah pretty sure this is my own original post lmao

Also I think this thread proves my point, one win against England in a T20 match negates all our pathetic performances over the past year and a bit. Now we are celebrating our "unpredictabilitY" where instead it should be a source of shame considering the fact that we are humiliated day in and day out but hey if a one of win does the trick for you then it is what it is.

 

[Mamoon]

Same old story. Rinse and repeat.

We get thrashed -> we say we have learned from our mistakes -> we produce a fluke performance -> fans get excited -> we get thrashed again -> we say we have learned……

Yesterday was a reality-check for all the deluded fans who think Misbah is the problem and is the one holding this team back.

They cannot explain how Pakistan managed to score 230 in a T20I under such a so-called defensive and clueless coach without doing their usual aye, baye, shayen.

The problem is not Misbah. The problem is that the players do not have the ability and the mentality to be consistent. They are a mediocre bunch of mentally weak cricketers who can only produce a fluke performance every now and then.

Furthermore, when the team becomes mediocre, the fans also become mediocre and start to thrive in it.

Our fans think the unpredictability tag and cheap cliche statements by cheerleaders like Nasser Hussain (“one minute down, one minute up” bla bla) are some sort of an achievement and we should be proud.

Our fans romanticize mediocrity and inconsistency and this culture is prevalent throughout Pakistan cricket from top to bottom.

This is why we will remain a deeply mediocre and unprofessional cricket team in all facets.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan are so unpredictably brilliant to watch … Gone from the local village team to looking like world beaters in a week … !! Love watching them … <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1416115272482762762?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Itachi]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pakistan are so unpredictably brilliant to watch … Gone from the local village team to looking like world beaters in a week … !! Love watching them … <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1416115272482762762?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

... and will be gone from the looking like world beaters to local village team in a week.

 

[Kroll]

FGS this is T-20 Mickey mouse cricket, even Zimbabwe has beaten Pakistan in this format

Agreed, we are a thoroughly mediocre side when it comes to proper cricket.

The uninitiated like to prop up this unpredictable myth whenever we win.

 

[shamaan]

It was not a fluke performance it was expected performance. From Pakistan.

 

[Duckworth Lewis]

A bowling attack of Saqib, Gregory and Parkinson, Livingston and Wiley!!

 

[mystical man]

Same old story. Rinse and repeat.

We get thrashed -> we say we have learned from our mistakes -> we produce a fluke performance -> fans get excited -> we get thrashed again -> we say we have learned……

Yesterday was a reality-check for all the deluded fans who think Misbah is the problem and is the one holding this team back.

They cannot explain how Pakistan managed to score 230 in a T20I under such a so-called defensive and clueless coach without doing their usual aye, baye, shayen.

The problem is not Misbah. The problem is that the players do not have the ability and the mentality to be consistent. They are a mediocre bunch of mentally weak cricketers who can only produce a fluke performance every now and then.

Furthermore, when the team becomes mediocre, the fans also become mediocre and start to thrive in it.

Our fans think the unpredictability tag and cheap cliche statements by cheerleaders like Nasser Hussain (“one minute down, one minute up” bla bla) are some sort of an achievement and we should be proud.

Our fans romanticize mediocrity and inconsistency and this culture is prevalent throughout Pakistan cricket from top to bottom.

This is why we will remain a deeply mediocre and unprofessional cricket team in all facets.

You still cannot deny the fact that they scored 230 runs which is a feat panauti kohli and others can never emulate in their lifetime

 

[RyanRyan10]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-west-indies-3rd-t20i-1187020/full-scorecard

^ oh your face

 

[Mamoon]

You still cannot deny the fact that they scored 230 runs which is a feat panauti kohli and others can never emulate in their lifetime

Kohli and India have accomplishments that a Pakistani players cannot achieve in their dreams because India is miles ahead of Pakistan in terms of talent, skill and mental application.

So yes, Pakistan can keep 230 runs against an England reserve attack.

Scoring 220+ might be some sort of an achievement for a small and embarrassing team like Pakistan, but the big teams don’t really care much about it.

Earlier this year, India scored 224/2 in a T20I against a full-strength England attack but you won’t see any Indian fan or player milking it.

On the other hand, Pakistan will milk this 230 score for a long time because it has no notable achievements and keeps getting humiliated 99% of the time.

Scoring 230 against an England reserve attack is now the second biggest achievement for Pakistani fans in 2021…..right below India losing the WTC final.

 

[Smudger]

Kohli and India have accomplishments that a Pakistani players cannot achieve in their dreams because India is miles ahead of Pakistan in terms of talent, skill and mental application.

So yes, Pakistan can keep 230 runs against an England reserve attack.

Scoring 220+ might be some sort of an achievement for a small and embarrassing team like Pakistan, but the big teams don’t really care much about it.

Earlier this year, India scored 224/2 in a T20I against a full-strength England attack but you won’t see any Indian fan or player milking it.

On the other hand, Pakistan will milk this 230 score for a long time because it has no notable achievements and keeps getting humiliated 99% of the time.

Scoring 230 against an England reserve attack is now the second biggest achievement for Pakistani fans in 2021…..right below India losing the WTC final.

Oh man you waste so much time online just to down Pakistan. Its just a game. You care too much about cricket

 

[globalcitizen]

The colonial mindset of some in subcontinent is unbelievable. Whatever the westerners say is taken as gold rather than see the reality
Vaughan statements seem like humiliation to me. But some don't see it that way. Unfortunate.

 

[ravisurya]

One day, they'll be at the top of their game.
They'll easily beat the best side when on song.

But

As history proves, they also have a tendency to lose to nobodies. Just like they lost to England C team.

What is it?
Nerves?
Or they don't take the easier sides seriously?

Either way, some would say it's incredible.
Others would want more consistency.

But, if England was playing their best side. in the ODIs, I believe we would have given them a real competition.

Just like in the T20 today.

Great win.

Was England "C" playing today?

 

[Firebat]

Only Pakistan score 230 odd one game then collapse pathetically like this the next game.

Ladies and gentlemen, the unpredictable side we all know and love! Isn't it fun!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Unpredictable is being generous really. Very ordinary would be more accurate....and even that's being generous.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

The colonial mindset of some in subcontinent is unbelievable. Whatever the westerners say is taken as gold rather than see the reality
Vaughan statements seem like humiliation to me. But some don't see it that way. Unfortunate.

This is a good point. A lot of our fans harp on about this unpredictability nonsense because a few English ex cricketers say it

 

[Itachi]

and after the fluke performance, Pakistan back to its usual level.

 

[Manik Rao]

Beginning of a new era under King Misbah... A defeat merely by 45 runs against this strong English side which is only missing 5-6 first choice players shows the future belongs to King Misbah & his self appointed cheerleaders.

 

[King_Kohli]

The colonial mindset of some in subcontinent is unbelievable. Whatever the westerners say is taken as gold rather than see the reality
Vaughan statements seem like humiliation to me. But some don't see it that way. Unfortunate.

He is absolute crap and dumbest cricketer ever on Social Media.

 

[Abdurmirr]

There is nothing unpredictable about the current Pakistan side. We are an ordinary team filled with poor and pathetic players. On our day we might be able to fluke a good performances on the back of our players with a higher calibre however most of the time we will play a rubbish brand of cricket and be embarrassed as we always are

 

[mystical man]

Kohli and India have accomplishments that a Pakistani players cannot achieve in their dreams because India is miles ahead of Pakistan in terms of talent, skill and mental application.

So yes, Pakistan can keep 230 runs against an England reserve attack.

Scoring 220+ might be some sort of an achievement for a small and embarrassing team like Pakistan, but the big teams don’t really care much about it.

Earlier this year, India scored 224/2 in a T20I against a full-strength England attack but you won’t see any Indian fan or player milking it.

On the other hand, Pakistan will milk this 230 score for a long time because it has no notable achievements and keeps getting humiliated 99% of the time.

Scoring 230 against an England reserve attack is now the second biggest achievement for Pakistani fans in 2021…..right below India losing the WTC final.

Was that in india or England? Scoring 250 on the pattas of india is still not the same as scoring in England. Anyhow we will see what india does against England in the test matches to determine if there is any improvement in all facets of indian cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

So are we back to our “auqaat”?

 

[Mamoon]

Was that in india or England? Scoring 250 on the pattas of india is still not the same as scoring in England. Anyhow we will see what india does against England in the test matches to determine if there is any improvement in all facets of indian cricket.

It was in India, and it was against England’s full-strength attack not a Lions attack that Pakistan feasted on.

You don’t need to worry about India in England. Even if they get whitewashed, they will remain levels above Pakistan in all formats and all facets of the game.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

and after the fluke performance, Pakistan back to its usual level.

You can't really score 230 by fluke. Maybe not a typical Pakistan innings, but they deserve credit for that batting on the day.

 

[SangasCoverDrive]

You can't really score 230 by fluke. Maybe not a typical Pakistan innings, but they deserve credit for that batting on the day.

It was a fluke. Poor bowling attack and small boundaries where even edges would go for six. Pakistan will never score 230 again in a T20. Not even against Papua New Guinea.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It was a fluke. Poor bowling attack and small boundaries where even edges would go for six. Pakistan will never score 230 again in a T20. Not even against Papua New Guinea.

Using that criteria we could probably question quite a lot of big scores from other teams as well. Pakistan are playing away against England, one of the best T20 sides in the world on their own pitches. England decide the size of the boundaries and Pakistan didn't hit a lot of top edges for 6 in that game, certainly no more than is usual in any game of this sort. Only people using the word fluke for this win are those who are anti-Pakistan in all threads in general forums as well, I think that tells the real story.

 

[shamaan]

It was a fluke. Poor bowling attack and small boundaries where even edges would go for six. Pakistan will never score 230 again in a T20. Not even against Papua New Guinea.

Same can be said about England Pakistan that they won't conced more than 220 ever again.

 

[mystical man]

It was in India, and it was against England’s full-strength attack not a Lions attack that Pakistan feasted on.

You don’t need to worry about India in England. Even if they get whitewashed, they will remain levels above Pakistan in all formats and all facets of the game.

They still need to perform better than pakistan and actually attempt to win the series in England to be recognized as a legendary side and not catapulting like meek sheep's as they did in WTC Final.

 

[Mamoon]

They still need to perform better than pakistan and actually attempt to win the series in England to be recognized as a legendary side and not catapulting like meek sheep's as they did in WTC Final.

They are already a legendary side and far, far ahead of Pakistan. Winning the WTC would have been an icing on the cake but their legacy is already established.

- Two Test series wins in Australia

- Only two Test losses at home since 2015 and zero series lost

- Longest reign as the number 1 ranked Test team in the 2010-2020 decade

- Longest number 1 reign for any Asian Test team in history

- Kohli has more Test wins as captain than any other Asian captain in history

 

[msb314]

They are already a legendary side and far, far ahead of Pakistan. Winning the WTC would have been an icing on the cake but their legacy is already established.

- Two Test series wins in Australia

- Only two Test losses at home since 2015 and zero series lost

- Longest reign as the number 1 ranked Test team in the 2010-2020 decade

- Longest number 1 reign for any Asian Test team in history

- Kohli has more Test wins as captain than any other Asian captain in history

Talk about T20’s…

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

They are already a legendary side and far, far ahead of Pakistan. Winning the WTC would have been an icing on the cake but their legacy is already established.

- Two Test series wins in Australia

- Only two Test losses at home since 2015 and zero series lost

- Longest reign as the number 1 ranked Test team in the 2010-2020 decade

- Longest number 1 reign for any Asian Test team in history

- Kohli has more Test wins as captain than any other Asian captain in history

Let's open up their achievements

This is unarguably the strongest test side in Indian history
They beat the weakest AUS side in 2016 that had no Smith and Warner AUS C basically. The one in 2020 was special but that too came against an AUS side that is not even in the top 3 in the ICC rankings.

The ranking system is flawed, I cannot accept a side as the number one test team that got hammered in NZ, SA and ENG consistently. Pakistan became number one too but that was a complete fluke as these rankings are completely out of order. They don't award anything extra for beating opposition overseas.

Honestly this Indian team would get hammered by Pakistan team of the 1980s or even 1990s

Pakistan team of 1980s defeated
Eng in Eng many times
India in India
NZ in NZ
SA weren't a test side back then but we did draw against them and AUS as well in 1995

This Indian team cannot be taken seriously unless they win anything in SEN or win a WTC.

 

[Mesozoic]

This Indian team cannot be taken seriously unless they win anything in SEN or win a WTC.

Dunno why but the absence of 'A' brought me a good chuckle.

What if we win in England? SN?

 

[ravisurya]

5-1 very unpredictable?

 

[ravisurya]

One day, they'll be at the top of their game.
They'll easily beat the best side when on song.

But

As history proves, they also have a tendency to lose to nobodies. Just like they lost to England C team.

What is it?
Nerves?
Or they don't take the easier sides seriously?

Either way, some would say it's incredible.
Others would want more consistency.

But, if England was playing their best side. in the ODIs, I believe we would have given them a real competition.

Just like in the T20 today.

Great win.

This aged well.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

The predictable Pakistani team predictably loses another series to a top team. How predictable

 

[RyanRyan10]

Talk about T20’s…

In T20i

India have been unbeaten in their last 8 series (7 wins and a draw). Have the highest w/l ratio among all elite teams.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It was a good game and a highly competitive series. Besides some kinks in the batting, I can't blame the boys much.

It wasn't like the ODI series where Pakistan were completely listless and given a hiding by England's C team.