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I was shocked to see how weak the pakistani passport is.
It's less powerful than Passports from Yemen, Sudan and the most surprising, Palestine.
I know our country isn't in the best state but are we really that bad that we're in the range of countries engulfed in conflict?

What can the government do to improve this?
Also what do you predict our ranking will be in 2030?
 
I was shocked to see how weak the pakistani passport is.
It's less powerful than Passports from Yemen, Sudan and the most surprising, Palestine.
I know our country isn't in the best state but are we really that bad that we're in the range of countries engulfed in conflict?

What can the government do to improve this?
Also what do you predict our ranking will be in 2030?

Very high levels of fraud and deception by Pakistani nationals.
 
I expect all South Asian passports to be at the bottom of the table.

It is because of corruptions and frauds.

It is unfortunate but it is what it is.
 
I expect all South Asian passports to be at the bottom of the table.

It is because of corruptions and frauds.

It is unfortunate but it is what it is.

A ranking based on the number of countries which allow visa-free travel is not necessarily logical.

Visa requirements are mostly based on reciprocity. If you allow my citizen to travel to your country visa-free then your citizens can travel to my country visa-free.

The above ranking leads to a situation where Namibia and Ghana are ranked higher than Armenia and Vietnam. Most likely African countries allow visa-free travel to each other, leading to a higher ranking.

https://www.henleypassportindex.com/global-ranking
 
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Whatever it is, I am a proud Pakistani.

Don’t you ever be ashamed of your roots fellow PPers.

InshaAllah we will turn things around!
 
Because Pakistan's migrate to other countries in large numbers. The thing is, the reason for our passport ranking being so low is that people go to other countries on tourist, student or work visas and then disappear & end up applying for asylum. It does not have much to do with Pakistan not having good relations or not being in a good state but more so the majority of our people trying to emigrate.

That being said, I have a Pakistani passport and have traveled the world.
 
Whatever it is, I am a proud Pakistani.

Don’t you ever be ashamed of your roots fellow PPers.

InshaAllah we will turn things around!

True.
Having a weak passport doesn't mean you can go to all the countries in the world. It just makes it a little harder. I've gone to many countries with my pak and British passport
 
How is the passport measured? Like do other countries rank them or is it based on relationship with other countries?
 
How is the passport measured? Like do other countries rank them or is it based on relationship with other countries?

The more countries you can visit without a visa, the stronger your passport is.

The last two decades have had negative effects on the Pakistani passport. The primary reason being the War on Terror and the Taliban.
Back in 2016, Pakistan had the 2nd weakest passport so there is a slight improvement.

Improving the internal security and improving the Pakistan’s soft power abroad will strenghten the Pakistani passports since more countries will be willing to let Pakistanis travel to their countries visa-free.
 
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Very embarrassing for Indians that they are ranked lower than a lot of Muslim countries there including Indonesia.

It is not surprising. Indians do many frauds (just like other Asians). Many of them overstay their visas and do various financial frauds.
 
Well if its any consolation the Pakistan passport is about as useful as passport of any country due to travel restrictions!
 
Terrorism just wrecked the passport even during 90s and early 2000s it wasn't bad definitely in the middle table but than it was downhill from there and I am afraid it would take years for it to get back to it's rightful place
 
Well if its any consolation the Pakistan passport is about as useful as passport of any country due to travel restrictions!

Checkmate, world!

Thank you, China!
 
We need to look at it's rank before 9/11 if there is any such statistics.

Many international Afghan Mujahideen in the 80s, 90s entered Afghanistan through Pakistan. Some of them went rouge afterwards and became al-Qaeda. I am pretty sure CIA was aware of this and after 9/11 they wised up.
 
We need to look at it's rank before 9/11 if there is any such statistics.

Many international Afghan Mujahideen in the 80s, 90s entered Afghanistan through Pakistan. Some of them went rouge afterwards and became al-Qaeda. I am pretty sure CIA was aware of this and after 9/11 they wised up.

This index started in 2006
 
My Punjabi is toddler level but this phrase perfectly captures the situation with our passport

Kuj Shehar de Log vi zaalim san
Kuj Saanu maran da Shoq vi si..



Pakistan is often clumped together with Afghanistan and we all know how lawless and ungovernable that country is. Pakistan looks like a well developed country with proper systems when you compare to Afghanistan. Heck Afghanis come to Pakistan for medical needs, imagine that! However, to the outside world both are held at the same level.

Then Pakistanis themselves are to blame. There have thousands of cases where Pakistanis overstayed their visas or simply ran away and started living illegally earning under the table cash from Pakistani restaurants etc. We also used to be at the forefront of marriage immigration fraud before it started getting clamped down.

So combining this all has led to Pakistan being the 5th worst passport in the world.
 
This index started in 2006

In 2006 Pakistan was ranked 7th worst.

Iran and Myanmar have improved their rankings compared to Pakistan.

The ranking is mostly based on how many countries allow a certain passport holder to enter the country visa free. It has little to do with the state of country.

Sudan though perhaps not as developed as Pakistan and equally corrupt could have a better ranking because most likely Sudanese can travel in some African countries more freely due to cultural closeness. Hence while a Sudanese national might require the same amount of visas when traveling to Europe as a Pakistani national but they also have more freedom of travel in African countries and can overall outrank Pakistan.
 
In 2006 Pakistan was ranked 7th worst.

Iran and Myanmar have improved their rankings compared to Pakistan.

The ranking is mostly based on how many countries allow a certain passport holder to enter the country visa free. It has little to do with the state of country.

Sudan though perhaps not as developed as Pakistan and equally corrupt could have a better ranking because most likely Sudanese can travel in some African countries more freely due to cultural closeness. Hence while a Sudanese national might require the same amount of visas when traveling to Europe as a Pakistani national but they also have more freedom of travel in African countries and can overall outrank Pakistan.

Good point... if we had got relations in our South Asian neighbourhood we could have had a common visa bloc like the Schengen, with visa-free or visa-on-arrival between the SAARC countries.

I recently (start of 2020) travelled to Sri Lanka and they allow Pakistani passport holders to get visas online before travel and rates were half for SAARC countries.
 
In 2006 Pakistan was ranked 7th worst.

Iran and Myanmar have improved their rankings compared to Pakistan.

The ranking is mostly based on how many countries allow a certain passport holder to enter the country visa free. It has little to do with the state of country.

Sudan though perhaps not as developed as Pakistan and equally corrupt could have a better ranking because most likely Sudanese can travel in some African countries more freely due to cultural closeness. Hence while a Sudanese national might require the same amount of visas when traveling to Europe as a Pakistani national but they also have more freedom of travel in African countries and can overall outrank Pakistan.

It's because of terrorism.

Pakistan was engulfed in terrorism in 2009/10. Heavily.

Which is why we went from 7th worst to what we are now
 
where you getting all these funny stats man :)

I think these kind of rankings wont impact much
 
UAE apparently has the strongest passport.

Interesting.

That makes sense. That’s probably because only ethnic Arabs can be citizens and from what I heard they all have certain ownership in the oil or some stake out of it.

That automatically would put them over US,UK etc because just being a citizen doesn’t guarantee you food, income etc
 
You can buy a Saint Lucia passport from Henley and Partners for 130k. Makes life easier for subcontinent passport holders
 
My Punjabi is toddler level but this phrase perfectly captures the situation with our passport

Kuj Shehar de Log vi zaalim san
Kuj Saanu maran da Shoq vi si..



Pakistan is often clumped together with Afghanistan and we all know how lawless and ungovernable that country is. Pakistan looks like a well developed country with proper systems when you compare to Afghanistan. Heck Afghanis come to Pakistan for medical needs, imagine that! However, to the outside world both are held at the same level.

Then Pakistanis themselves are to blame. There have thousands of cases where Pakistanis overstayed their visas or simply ran away and started living illegally earning under the table cash from Pakistani restaurants etc. We also used to be at the forefront of marriage immigration fraud before it started getting clamped down.

So combining this all has led to Pakistan being the 5th worst passport in the world.


I think this is a root cause. Pakistanis have gotten to used to looking for short cuts, materialism always trumps their ethics, which perhaps also tells you how seriously they really take their religion.

Obviously you shouldn't judge a nation on the behaviour of citizens abroad, but when it comes to passports, these are the people the rest of the world sees.

This is why despite his shortcomings, I am still a fan of Imran Khan. More Pakistanis need his ethics and standards. He's a (comparatively) good role model.
 
No, it is not. It is our own fault! Let’s not blame others for our shortcomings!

Pakistani passport has been abused big time by Afghanis. They get it illegally by bribing or other means, then use it for all types of bad work and when caught then Pakistan got the blame.
 
If you have a dual nationality, so a pakistani passport and a british passport for example.

Will the visa-free xountries be capped at 30 due to the extremely weak Pakistani passport or will we be to travel to 180 countries due to the strong UK passport?
 
Pakistani passport has been abused big time by Afghanis. They get it illegally by bribing or other means, then use it for all types of bad work and when caught then Pakistan got the blame.

That does not have any impact or significant impact on passport prowess. And, how many Afghanis have been caught overseas with Pakistani passport?
 
If you have a dual nationality, so a pakistani passport and a british passport for example.

Will the visa-free countries be capped at 30 due to the extremely weak Pakistani passport or will we be to travel to 180 countries due to the strong UK passport?

countries*
 
If you have a dual nationality, so a pakistani passport and a british passport for example.

Will the visa-free xountries be capped at 30 due to the extremely weak Pakistani passport or will we be to travel to 180 countries due to the strong UK passport?

You can just use your UK passport to travel everywhere, there is no cap. If you want to travel to Pakistan, use your pakistan passport, one of my friend does that.
 
Pakistani passport fourth worst in the world after Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq

Based on analysis of global travel documents, the 'Henley Passport Index' gives Pakistan the dubious honour

Pakistan has garnered the dubious honour of having the fourth weakest passport in the world behind only war-torn Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, according to the Henley Passport Index.

The index assesses the travel documents based on how many countries citizens can access without a visa, as well as, using information from the International Air Transport Association.

However, it does not factor in any temporary pandemic-related travel restrictions.

The Japanese passport comes out on top with access to 193 countries with Singapore in second with access to 192 countries. Both Germany and South Korea share the third place with each giving access to 191 destinations.

Interestingly, despite a military coup, Myanmar has secured the 94th spot in the index with access to 47 destinations whereas India and Bangladesh stand at the 84th and 100th ranks, respectively.

China and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) climb from the 90th position to 68th, and 65th position to 15th, respectively.

European Union (EU) countries make the majority of countries ranked on the top 10 list of the Henley Passport Index. The report reveals that the United Kingdom (UK) and the United States (US) have dropped down to seventh place, together with Switzerland, Belgium, and New Zealand.

pak passport.jpg

Among other countries, the passports of which are ranked among the most powerful are Italy, Finland, Luxembourg, France, Spain, Netherlands, Ireland, Sweden, Malta, Greece, and Norway.

The gap between Japan that holds first place and Afghanistan’s access to other countries is 167.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2294952/pakistani-passport-fourth-worst-in-the-world-after-syria-afghanistan-and-iraq
 
Sad that Somalia and Yemen have stronger passports than Pakistan, but i guess it could be worse.
 
Weird list, what constitutes the strength of a passport? Half those countries are borderline failed states and yet a bunch of them are supposedly stronger?
 
Sad that Somalia and Yemen have stronger passports than Pakistan, but i guess it could be worse.

The basis as I understand is a factor of how many countries allow you visa free travel, how many allow you visa on arrival and how many countries you allow visa free travel.

African countries will outscore Asian countries as they allow visa free or on arrival travel across their borders. Asian countries are foolish and always stuck in age old wars and have closed their borders to each other. We should all worry about this.
 
The basis as I understand is a factor of how many countries allow you visa free travel, how many allow you visa on arrival and how many countries you allow visa free travel.

African countries will outscore Asian countries as they allow visa free or on arrival travel across their borders. Asian countries are foolish and always stuck in age old wars and have closed their borders to each other. We should all worry about this.

Japan, Singapore, and South Korea are Top 3 in the World. If by Asian you mean South Asian, then yes they are fools. Singapore and South Korea were dirt poor after World War 2 and look at them today.
 
These rankings are based on reciprocity of the number of countries that you can travel with the passport.
Visa free travel is a possibility in south Asia, if peace prevails. But, I don't think it is gonna happen.
 
Japan, Singapore, and South Korea are Top 3 in the World. If by Asian you mean South Asian, then yes they are fools. Singapore and South Korea were dirt poor after World War 2 and look at them today.

Japan and Korea went to war with the US and lost. I think they probably ceded some autonomy to the US as a result and might have benefited from a change in outlook which was imposed following defeat.
 
It is the attitude that matters not the passport itself. Pakistan Zindabad! I mean, that's the only thing I hear from Pakistani army leaders and politicians on every independence day. And, well, in Pakistan the only thing they care about is Akhiraat/judgment day so I guess having a strong passport means nothing. Look at your bruder countries like Turkey and China. You can not even travel there visa-free so much for the songs of friendship. But yeah Jannah and Allama Iqbal will be so much proud of their creation though.
 
A rise in the rankings, but this time an unwanted one I guess.
 
Japan, Singapore have most powerful passports; Pakistan ranks below North Korea

Japan and Singapore are at the top of the Henley Passport Index with both countries having a visa-free score of 192, which means holders of passports of these two countries can travel to 192 countries without a prior visa. Passports of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Pakistan and Yemen are among the least powerful. Indian passports are ranked 90, along with Burkina Faso and Tajikistan, as the passport holders of these three countries can access 58 countries without a prior visa.

For the third year in a row, Pakistan passport has been ranked as the 4th worst for international travel as it was placed at the 108th position by the Henley Passport Index. Infact, Pakistan was ranked lower than North Korea which was placed at 104th place. Pakistani politicians were upset by the ranking with some calling it an 'international embarrassment'.

Here’s the top 10 ranking of world’s most powerful passports:

1. Japan, Singapore (visa-free score - 192)

2. Germany, South Korea (visa-free score - 190)

3. Finland, Italy, Luxembourg, Spain (visa-free score - 189)

4. Austria, Denmark (visa-free score - 188)

5. France, Ireland, Netherlands, Portugal, Sweden (visa-free score - 187)

6. Belgium, New Zealand, Switzerland (visa-free score - 186)

7. Czech Republic, Greece, Malta, Norway, United Kingdom, United States (visa-free score - 185)

8. Australia, Canada (visa-free score - 184)

9. Hungary (visa-free score - 183)

10. Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia (visa-free score - 182)

Here’s the top 10 countries of least powerful passports:

1. Afghanistan (visa-free score - 26)

2. Iraq (visa-free score - 28)

3. Syria (visa-free score - 29)

4. Pakistan (visa-free score - 31)

5. Yemen (visa-free score - 33)

6. Somalia (visa-free score - 34)

7. Nepal, Palestianian territory (visa-free score - 37)

8. North Korea (visa-free score - 39)

9. Bangladesh (visa-free score - 40)

10. Iran, Lebanon, Sri Lanka, Sudan (visa-free score - 41)

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/japan-singapore-have-most-powerful-passports-pakistan-ranks-below-north-korea-101633528656403.html
 
Indian passport gets stronger, 59 countries offer visa-free access. List here

Meanwhile, India significantly improved its position in the 2022 rankings as it climbed seven places from the 90th rank last year to the 83rd.

India has improved its passport power ranking for the year 2022, climbing seven places to rank in 83rd place compared to the 90th position last year, according to the latest report from the Henley Passport Index.

Indian passport holders can now visit 59 destinations worldwide including Oman (latest addition) without obtaining a visa. India has added 35 more destinations since 2006.

According to the report, Pakistani passport holders have visa-free or visa-on-arrival access to 31 destinations around the world.

Afghani passport sits at the bottom of the index of 199 passports.

These are the visa-free access destinations for Indian passport holders

OCEANIA

Cook Islands

Fiji

Marshall Islands

Micronesia

Niue

Palau Islands

Samoa

Tuvalu

Vanuatu

MIDDLE EAST

Iran

Jordan

Oman

Qatar

EUROPE

Albania

Serbia

CARIBBEAN

Barbados

British Virgin Islands

Dominica

Grenada

Haiti

Jamaica

Montserrat

St. Kitts and Nevis

St. Lucia

St. Vincent and the Grenadines

Trinidad and Tobago

ASIA

Bhutan

Cambodia

Indonesia

Laos

Macao (SAR China)

Maldives

Myanmar

Nepal

Sri Lanka

Thailand

Timor-Leste

AMERICAS

Bolivia

El Salvador

AFRICA

Botswana

Cape Verde Islands

Comores Islands

Ethiopia

Gabon

Guinea-Bissau

Madagascar

Mauritania

Mauritius

Mozambique

Rwanda

Senegal

Seychelles

Sierra Leone

Somalia

Tanzania

Togo

Tunisia

Uganda

Zimbabwe

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/indian-passport-gets-stronger-59-countries-offer-visa-free-access-list-here-11642129651398.html
 
Sad that Somalia and Yemen have stronger passports than Pakistan, but i guess it could be worse.

When you say it could be worse, do you mean that Pakistan could be even worse than the 3 war-torn on the list above it?

Though Pakistan does not have a civil war like Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, I assume the antics of its Army/ISI in cultivating non-state actors (aka jihadis) has earned a a terrorist reputation which is reflected in its passport strength.

I think this is a root cause. Pakistanis have gotten to used to looking for short cuts, materialism always trumps their ethics, which perhaps also tells you how seriously they really take their religion.

Obviously you shouldn't judge a nation on the behaviour of citizens abroad, but when it comes to passports, these are the people the rest of the world sees.

This is why despite his shortcomings, I am still a fan of Imran Khan. More Pakistanis need his ethics and standards. He's a (comparatively) good role model.

The root cause is the perception that Pakistan nurtures jihadis, and IK hasn't curbed the Army/ISI which does the nurturing. So no, there is no improvement of Pakistan's image in the world under IK's leadership. His praise of the Taliban ("broken the chains of slavery") certainly doesn't help. The passport ranking has gotten worse, not better since he became PM.
 
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When you say it could be worse, do you mean that Pakistan could be even worse than the 3 war-torn on the list above it?

Though Pakistan does not have a civil war like Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, I assume the antics of its Army/ISI in cultivating non-state actors (aka jihadis) has earned a a terrorist reputation which is reflected in its passport strength.



The root cause is the perception that Pakistan nurtures jihadis, and IK hasn't curbed the Army/ISI which does the nurturing. So no, there is no improvement of Pakistan's image in the world under IK's leadership. His praise of the Taliban ("broken the chains of slavery") certainly doesn't help. The passport ranking has gotten worse, not better since he became PM.

Nope, that last paragraph is just your Indian bias and perception, not the world perception. It’s not 2012, even if your Indian media wish it was.
 
Nope, that last paragraph is just your Indian bias and perception, not the world perception. It’s not 2012, even if your Indian media wish it was.

Nope, Biden won’t call IK and the Pakistani passport has gotten worse. Nothing significant has happened since 2012 to improve Pakistan’s reputation other than IK celebrating the Taliban’s victory over the US.
 
Nope, Biden won’t call IK and the Pakistani passport has gotten worse. Nothing significant has happened since 2012 to improve Pakistan’s reputation other than IK celebrating the Taliban’s victory over the US.

Biden won’t call IK, it’s this is what you’re running with now? Lol

Again with Taliban, if you weren’t blinded with running with Indian media narrative and spent more time looking at how negotiations with Taliban started then you won’t be making fool out of yourself on in evert thread, and yea! Usain bolt.
 
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Nope, that last paragraph is just your Indian bias and perception, not the world perception. It’s not 2012, even if your Indian media wish it was.

Watch out we might get a random bias survey from 30 years ago to support Indian media narrative.

Neither the US nor population of the US care much about who is running Afghanistan.

Other than world war, the US government can’t run with the narrative of other war domestically unless and until that country need to be attacked for simple reason because it opens the door for the false pretense of war narrative that was generated to occupy other land.

But count on RSS/BJP NRI to speak for the US just because they heard it on RSS/BJP influenced media (almost 90% Indian media).😂😂😂😂😂😂
 
Biden won’t call IK, it’s this is what you’re running with now? Lol

Again with Taliban, if you weren’t blinded with running with Indian media narrative and spent more time looking at how negotiations with Taliban started then you won’t be making fool out of yourself on in evert thread, and yea! Usain bolt.

Yes, it is only in the "Indian media narrative" that Pakistan has the 4th worst passport in the world.

There is no point in running around in circles replying to posts which keep repeating the same wrong thing, hence no replies unless I see something intelligent.
 
Yes, it is only in the "Indian media narrative" that Pakistan has the 4th worst passport in the world.

There is no point in running around in circles replying to posts which keep repeating the same wrong thing, hence no replies unless I see something intelligent.

Lol, as I said, I’ve no intention in engaging someone who only repeating Indian media narrative and supporting facts in a vacuum without context.

Lol at 4th passport.

Intelligent, what make you believe your comments are intelligent when the fist comment was, Biden didn’t call IK? Lol


You won’t consider anything intelligent from me because it won’t neither affirm nor conform to Indian media derived narrative that parrot on in every thread. Had I agree with you “complex”, you’d be praising me “as only few Pakistani”. Lol

Literally don’t care about NRI praising me lol
 
Lol, as I said, I’ve no intention in engaging someone who only repeating Indian media narrative and supporting facts in a vacuum without context.

Lol at 4th passport.

Intelligent, what make you believe your comments are intelligent when the fist comment was, Biden didn’t call IK? Lol


You won’t consider anything intelligent from me because it won’t neither affirm nor conform to Indian media derived narrative that parrot on in every thread. Had I agree with you “complex”, you’d be praising me “as only few Pakistani”. Lol

Literally don’t care about NRI praising me lol

It took me 2 seconds without trying hard enough to find a Pakistani source and a western source. I guess googling and validating is not as easy as I thought


https://www.geo.tv/amp/393083-pakistani-passport-ranks-fourth-worst-for-consecutive-third-time

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cecili...-and-least-powerful-for-2021/?sh=38155b581f61
 
Unless the passports help natives of a particular country access major economic centres or 1st world countries then it doesn't matter what number you are on the list.

From Indias list the only two countries that I reckon could benefit the average Indian (outside of regional neighbours) are Oman and Qatar. Apart from those the rest of the list is useless.

Can someone please post the list for Pakistan?
 
It took me 2 seconds without trying hard enough to find a Pakistani source and a western source. I guess googling and validating is not as easy as I thought


https://www.geo.tv/amp/393083-pakistani-passport-ranks-fourth-worst-for-consecutive-third-time

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cecili...-and-least-powerful-for-2021/?sh=38155b581f61

Try to understand and read a post before tagging .
No one has denying a useless ranking, I can understand why the followers of the emperor Modi are flocking to this thread.
 
These rankings are meaningless. I mean if Indian passport was worth the paper its printed on then you wouldn't have millions prepared to dump it for a foreign passport.
 
Unless the passports help natives of a particular country access major economic centres or 1st world countries then it doesn't matter what number you are on the list.

From Indias list the only two countries that I reckon could benefit the average Indian (outside of regional neighbours) are Oman and Qatar. Apart from those the rest of the list is useless.

Can someone please post the list for Pakistan?

https://www.guideconsultants.com/pakistani-passport-visa-free-countries-2022/
 
These rankings are meaningless. I mean if Indian passport was worth the paper its printed on then you wouldn't have millions prepared to dump it for a foreign passport.

Lol nobody is suggesting that India is superior to a first world country on the list. People have to renounce their passport because India does not allow dual citizenship.

These rankings are useful for a quick assessment of how countries around the world perceive a country. In that respect India has improved over the last few years while Pakistan has fallen. Says it all doesn't it?
 
Lol nobody is suggesting that India is superior to a first world country on the list. People have to renounce their passport because India does not allow dual citizenship.

These rankings are useful for a quick assessment of how countries around the world perceive a country. In that respect India has improved over the last few years while Pakistan has fallen. Says it all doesn't it?

Indian passport ranking has improved entirely due to small and/or island nations that are largely irrelevant. If thay is meaningful improvement in perception then good for you, lmao.
 
These rankings are meaningless. I mean if Indian passport was worth the paper its printed on then you wouldn't have millions prepared to dump it for a foreign passport.

Passport rankings are meaningless? :))) :)))
 
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