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Now that Pakistan are out of the World Cup, what do you feel went wrong at this World Cup?

Perhaps you think they have done ok given their ranking and recent form?

Alternatively you might think they have been below par, maybe it was the batting or the bowling or the fielding? Team selections, tactics?
 
Not taking a page out of Misbah's book and batting 50 overs.

If we tuk tuked our way to 220 odd versus West Indies, we would have been in a much better position.
 
The World Cup was a culmination of the circus cricket that we have played in the last two years.

We were blanked 5-0 in New Zealand, we were thoroughly embarrassed in the Asia Cup and we went into the World Cup with a 13 match losing streak.

What did people expect? This mediocre team was not going to perform miracles and play like a top team overnight.

Success is a process and you have to be properly prepared to achieve long-term success and consistency.

We don’t respect the game. We believe in miracles and magic.
 
Oof, a whole lot:

-Shambolic fielding

-Carrying two 35+ year old batsmen to play in your middle order/ not grooming a batsmen for the middle order in the 4 years we had.

-Not playing Haris for the whole tournament

-Expecting Sarfraz to play at 6 and still be a useful batsmen

-Not grooming a specialist spinner

-Imam playing like a snail

-Fakhar and Babar not being able to carry our batting, this was expected, nobody scores every innings

-Hasan Ali

-Lack of game awareness; Attempting to pull a ball 1 foot outside leg stump, taking a single to expose your #11 for a whole over, running down the pitch and trying to hit a six when the run rate is under control
 
It could be argued it all went wrong before the WC started and at least on the very first match. How can you expect to compete by banking on a middle order of Hafeez, Malik and Sarfraz, We saw the improvement once Malik was booted. The WI match was catastrophic which in the end cost us as we did as probably could be expected thereafter.
 
Mamoon said:
The World Cup was a culmination of the circus cricket that we have played in the last two years.

We were blanked 5-0 in New Zealand, we were thoroughly embarrassed in the Asia Cup and we went into the World Cup with a 13 match losing streak.

What did people expect? This mediocre team was not going to perform miracles and play like a top team overnight.

Success is a process and you have to be properly prepared to achieve long-term success and consistency.

We don’t respect the game. We believe in miracles and magic.
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Agree with you here. Team did a lot better than expected.
 
Pre World Cup streaks do not matter, neither do bilateral series, neither do rankings. We got hammered by NZ in ODI series, by England too, yet we beat ENG, NZ, and SA. Teams with better streaks than Pakistan came into thie world cup and ended below Pakistan.

When the SF stage begins, previous ranks and stats within thie WC will not matter.

Performance on the day matters and Pakistan did much better than expected!
 
Sarfaraz's Captaincy
Hafeez batting at wrong position
Shoaib Malik's Experience
 
Pak was the third best Team "In This Tournament"

Apart from Aus and India, I think we played better cricket than everyone in in this tournament ... take that 1 bad day , against WI, out and useless waste of skin players "malik , asif ali and Hassan Ali" out, we could have won the game against Aus too...

We were farrrrr better than Newzeland and took pressure much better than England ...

There is MASSSSIVE room for improvement , but apart from the "experienced" hands, the rest of the bunch should stay ...

Get rid of Malik , Haffez and Sarfraz, keep the rest, Wahab stays for short while, get in a few performing youngsters and the core is strong
 
The huge loss to WI which shouldn’t have happned
The wash out against Lanka

Overall good campaign
 
May be the series with England before the World cup began deflated them psychologically
 
Considering the ODI performance of the last 2 years, this team did better than expected. They will have a chance to finish with 5 wins, including wins again SA, Eng and NZ - better than any realistic expectations.

They went in to the WC without any sort of plan - Amir, Wahab and Asif were selected out of nowhere. Harris and Shaheen were initially benched despite strong performances. Hafeez, Asif and Malik have been passengers for a while. Husnain came out of literally no where, total impulse selection.

Selection in general was all over the place.

I've also been a fan of Sarfraz and Mickey, and I think they did well to get the team as far as they did. But it's time for a change- definitely for Mickey and probably for Sarfraz too.

Heads definitely need to roll
 
if ties were settled by head to head, we would not be having this conversation.
Pakistan is a better team than new zealand. and deserved to be in the semi finals

new zealand had an easier start to the tournament, playing the minnows afghanistan and sri lanka on juicy green pitches and getting a good net run rate.

new zealand scraped home barely against the middling teams south africa, west indies and bangladesh. the three matches were close and could have gone either way.

New zealand lost to all the big teams australia, pakistan, england except india where they were saved by a draw. that point has saved them from elimination, ( a bit like how pakistan got a point by rain in 92)

this world cup qualification was close and ruined by rain. bangladesh and west indies also suffered when their matches were rained out.
 
I still feel we did really well apart from that meltdown vs India. NZ got all the luck to reach 11 points.

Ask neutral pundits and they will tell you PAK played much better cricket than NZ.
 
Asif321 said:
The huge loss to WI which shouldn’t have happned
The wash out against Lanka

Overall good campaign
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Exactly this. We’ve beaten two of the semi finalists and had the same number of losses as them. Anybody who says we shouldn’t be in the top four has an agenda.
 
Pak were overall average on all fronts:

Cricketing infrastructure is average that doesn't produce 6-7 top quality players in national side...pak have 3-4 but rest all are average

Game awareness and tactics....I do believe coach needs to change, mickey has failed with other teams and its not a co-incidence....He may sometimes say the right things, but that's about it...and Sarfaraz needs better coaching in tactics

Individually:
Fakhar was average - he is not consistent...hasn't worked out his technical issues yet and does not play tactically

Imam - Average - is coachable, but results have to improve to be in the next league

Babar - top class - will get better..should be prepared as long term captaincy option to bring that excellence mindset

Haris - Good player but didn't get enough chances

Hafeez - average - looks excellent while batting, in fact its a joy to watch him - however results speak for themselves , is not consistent enough- probably has to do with his mindset - you cannot coach consistency

Sarfaraz - average - tactically average captain - too slow in scoring - however no other decent captaincy option at present

Amir - top class - needs to incorporate additional variation and add to wicket taking ability

Malik - average - time is up- same as hafeez is inconsistent

wahab -above average - but time is up

shadab - above average

Shinwari - top quality prospect
 
Lion said:
Pak were overall average on all fronts:

Cricketing infrastructure is average that doesn't produce 6-7 top quality players in national side...pak have 3-4 but rest all are average

Game awareness and tactics....I do believe coach needs to change, mickey has failed with other teams and its not a co-incidence....He may sometimes say the right things, but that's about it...and Sarfaraz needs better coaching in tactics

Individually:
Fakhar was average - he is not consistent...hasn't worked out his technical issues yet and does not play tactically

Imam - Average - is coachable, but results have to improve to be in the next league

Babar - top class - will get better..should be prepared as long term captaincy option to bring that excellence mindset

Haris - Good player but didn't get enough chances

Hafeez - average - looks excellent while batting, in fact its a joy to watch him - however results speak for themselves , is not consistent enough- probably has to do with his mindset - you cannot coach consistency

Sarfaraz - average - tactically average captain - too slow in scoring - however no other decent captaincy option at present

Amir - top class - needs to incorporate additional variation and add to wicket taking ability

Malik - average - time is up- same as hafeez is inconsistent

wahab -above average - but time is up

shadab - above average

Shinwari - top quality prospect
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Shinwari? He wasnt in the World Cup squad.
 
Asif Ali! Go watch the highlights against AUS and see the number of catches he dropped off Warner and Finch, also look how uglily he got out by scoring 5 runs.
 
Lion said:
Pak were overall average on all fronts:

Cricketing infrastructure is average that doesn't produce 6-7 top quality players in national side...pak have 3-4 but rest all are average

Game awareness and tactics....I do believe coach needs to change, mickey has failed with other teams and its not a co-incidence....He may sometimes say the right things, but that's about it...and Sarfaraz needs better coaching in tactics

Individually:
Fakhar was average - he is not consistent...hasn't worked out his technical issues yet and does not play tactically

Imam - Average - is coachable, but results have to improve to be in the next league

Babar - top class - will get better..should be prepared as long term captaincy option to bring that excellence mindset

Haris - Good player but didn't get enough chances

Hafeez - average - looks excellent while batting, in fact its a joy to watch him - however results speak for themselves , is not consistent enough- probably has to do with his mindset - you cannot coach consistency

Sarfaraz - average - tactically average captain - too slow in scoring - however no other decent captaincy option at present

Amir - top class - needs to incorporate additional variation and add to wicket taking ability

Malik - average - time is up- same as hafeez is inconsistent

wahab -above average - but time is up

shadab - above average

Shinwari - top quality prospect
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Top quality post and a very fair analysis. I wish PCB would read this.
 
What always go wrong when we fail in such tournaments.

Haris Sohail who can actually bat was left out for Malik who has'nt timed the ball in months. This is the usual we have to support the seniors nonsense.

Sarfraz is no Imran Khan who would leave out anyone. Our selector has the same old mentality too.

Never should Pakistan enter a tournament with an old captain who is out of form(with bat) and two old players out of form.

Its time for a young captain and a much younger team, get rid of the oldies if you want to compete at this level.
 
Mamoon said:
The World Cup was a culmination of the circus cricket that we have played in the last two years.

We were blanked 5-0 in New Zealand, we were thoroughly embarrassed in the Asia Cup and we went into the World Cup with a 13 match losing streak.

What did people expect? This mediocre team was not going to perform miracles and play like a top team overnight.

Success is a process and you have to be properly prepared to achieve long-term success and consistency.

We don’t respect the game. We believe in miracles and magic.
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stop crying again and again ... the crying wont make anything better... just makes u a cry baby ...

how was newzeland any better than pak? like for like, they were much worse than us.. luck and fielding was on their side... rest, a little sensible person can see we were better...

not to say we didnt have weakness but we were the 3rd best team hands down..

and really ... ur continious crying abt everything is becoming monotonus to say the least
 
Chokli said:
Not taking a page out of Misbah's book and batting 50 overs.

If we tuk tuked our way to 220 odd versus West Indies, we would have been in a much better position.
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I know we can't really blame the tail for that mess, but some of the shots Hasan and Wahab played were absolutely unforgivable. Had a feeling we would rue the ineptitude of the WI game.
 
Far too much negativity on here for a side that may well finish 5th, which is absolutely exceptional considering their poor start and having a match rained out, yet they hold wins over England, South Africa and New Zealand. There is also the resurgence of Amir, the improvement of Shaheen and good all round play from Shadab. We have also finally seen someone in the middle order who can muck in with Babar and the opening pair has done OK.

The team right now is in a far better position than at the start of the tournament and with it looking likely that both Hafeez and Malik may be dropped from now on, it seems a new and exciting middle order beckons with the likes of Asif Ali, Abid Ali, M. Rizwan and co.

I think the core of the side that is to be built here will be made up of:

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Asif
Shadab
Imad
Shaheen
Amir

And hopefully - Shinwari, Umer Khan or another full time spinner, along with Hasnain and a few others.

There is a terrific pool of talent here which can and should be built into world beaters.
 
Pak need to find some new talented players and build a side around these 4 players. Babar, Haris, Shaheen and Rizwan. Babar should be selected as new captain across all formats
 
barah_admi said:
Far too much negativity on here for a side that may well finish 5th, which is absolutely exceptional considering their poor start and having a match rained out, yet they hold wins over England, South Africa and New Zealand. There is also the resurgence of Amir, the improvement of Shaheen and good all round play from Shadab. We have also finally seen someone in the middle order who can muck in with Babar and the opening pair has done OK.

The team right now is in a far better position than at the start of the tournament and with it looking likely that both Hafeez and Malik may be dropped from now on, it seems a new and exciting middle order beckons with the likes of Asif Ali, Abid Ali, M. Rizwan and co.

I think the core of the side that is to be built here will be made up of:

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Asif
Shadab
Imad
Shaheen
Amir

And hopefully - Shinwari, Umer Khan or another full time spinner, along with Hasnain and a few others.

There is a terrific pool of talent here which can and should be built into world beaters.
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xactly the point.. there are some people who think themselves as philisophers always crying n crying crying ...

as for the list , No way we should be looking to keep asif ali in the team.. he needs to go big time ... imad may as well bcz he isnt a wicket taker... we need a proper attacking bowling option... Umar Khan needs to be in.. with Naseem Shah, Hussnain and Harris Rauf fast tracked into first class and within 1 year into national side ... on batting we need likes of khushdil shah, haider ali , zeeshan malik, umair massod, ahsan ali and umar saddiq to be playing domestic big time to join the team in a year or 2 again
 
1- We only talked, didn't prepare for the Worldcup.

2- Needed 2 proper worldclass spinner but seems like Mickey doesn't believe in spinners(proof lose of test series against lanka) . Keep relying on Shadab and no help for him... In before Imad is spinner no he is not.

3- Openers, yes Imam/Fakhar decent but Fakhar needs lots of luck and Imam didn't really shined

4- How can we miss the inclusion of Malik and Hafeez. MAlik with an average of 14 in england not sure what kind of experience Inzi was looking for.... Hafeez seemed to be scared to play shots every game and getting out against part timers after 20 years of international career... mind boggling.

5- Bowling.... Hasan Ali messed up pak chances big big time. Costing us minimum 1 game.

6- Fielding, the less said about fielding is better....

All in all we didn't look like a team who is prepared to win the WC. I blame Coaches/Management big time. When Micky/Inzi combo gave interviews they keep mentioning about pool of best available 25 players and prepare for WC.

Sorry to say either you both have zero eye for the talent or relied too much on PSL and to unearth a talent out of the blue...very disappointing and I think its time Inzi/Mickey should resign..
 
Nothing. In fact our team exceeded the expectations. I predicted a number 9 finish for Pakistan so a 5/6 finish isn't so bad from where I see it.
 
barah_admi said:
Far too much negativity on here for a side that may well finish 5th, which is absolutely exceptional considering their poor start and having a match rained out, yet they hold wins over England, South Africa and New Zealand. There is also the resurgence of Amir, the improvement of Shaheen and good all round play from Shadab. We have also finally seen someone in the middle order who can muck in with Babar and the opening pair has done OK.

The team right now is in a far better position than at the start of the tournament and with it looking likely that both Hafeez and Malik may be dropped from now on, it seems a new and exciting middle order beckons with the likes of Asif Ali, Abid Ali, M. Rizwan and co.

I think the core of the side that is to be built here will be made up of:

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Haris
Asif
Shadab
Imad
Shaheen
Amir

And hopefully - Shinwari, Umer Khan or another full time spinner, along with Hasnain and a few others.

There is a terrific pool of talent here which can and should be built into world beaters.
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No way we are winning in India. This was our chance. Now wait at least 8 years. Very depressed.
 
It is because of self denial.

After 2015 , Pakistan never planned for WC. They could not even get in and groom a fast bowling allrounder. What else you can expect ?

If Pakistan want to be in contention in the next WC , they need to think deeply , and make firm strong decisions.
 
Horrid Fielding
Lack of game awareness
Hafeez/Malik/Asif
Poor captaincy
Hasan Ali poor form
No additional spinner

Main reasons were not selecting harris for malik from the start and hasan alis atrocious performances
 
A lot of what went wrong was self-inflicted. For me the main problem was definitely the selection process right from the time that the initial squad was selected. What went wrong (starting from the start):

1) Not bringing along a specialist spinner in place of the fifth fast bowler who got no games
2) The tour selection committee and think tank : I really don't know how anyone can justify playing Malik over Haris repeatedly and playing Hafeez at the pivotal 2 down position. Some of the tactics in the earlier games were questionable.
3) Collective meltdown in the game against Windies where all we had to do was play out the overs.
4) Hafeez throwing away the game against Australia. This in my opinion was the key turning point as that match was ours to lose.
5) Fielding : like always we dropped catches and were duly punished for it

But despite all this it wasn't a bad performance by a team which is certainly not as talented as some of the others in the tournament and previous Pakistani squads. We beat two of the semifinalists and could've easily beaten Australia as well. Overall, for me it wasn't too bad a performance and had we selected on merit we might have gone through to the semis.
 
Lion said:
Pak were overall average on all fronts:

Cricketing infrastructure is average that doesn't produce 6-7 top quality players in national side...pak have 3-4 but rest all are average

Game awareness and tactics....I do believe coach needs to change, mickey has failed with other teams and its not a co-incidence....He may sometimes say the right things, but that's about it...and Sarfaraz needs better coaching in tactics

Individually:
Fakhar was average - he is not consistent...hasn't worked out his technical issues yet and does not play tactically

Imam - Average - is coachable, but results have to improve to be in the next league

Babar - top class - will get better..should be prepared as long term captaincy option to bring that excellence mindset

Haris - Good player but didn't get enough chances

Hafeez - average - looks excellent while batting, in fact its a joy to watch him - however results speak for themselves , is not consistent enough- probably has to do with his mindset - you cannot coach consistency

Sarfaraz - average - tactically average captain - too slow in scoring - however no other decent captaincy option at present

Amir - top class - needs to incorporate additional variation and add to wicket taking ability

Malik - average - time is up- same as hafeez is inconsistent

wahab -above average - but time is up

shadab - above average

Shinwari - top quality prospect
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Nailed it.
 
Time to rebuild for next wc

Ideally pakistan should be trying out


A pace bowling all rounder
A pacer
Spinner
Opener
Keeper/ Bat
Couple of new mid order batters
 
Good points. I will add 1) poor fielding, 2) team selection 3) shot selection by players(going for aerial shots when not required and loosing wickets) 4) poor bowling tactics (short bowling in the first 10 overs against Australia) and 5) lack of planning regarding NRR

Lion said:
Pak were overall average on all fronts:

Cricketing infrastructure is average that doesn't produce 6-7 top quality players in national side...pak have 3-4 but rest all are average

Game awareness and tactics....I do believe coach needs to change, mickey has failed with other teams and its not a co-incidence....He may sometimes say the right things, but that's about it...and Sarfaraz needs better coaching in tactics

Individually:
Fakhar was average - he is not consistent...hasn't worked out his technical issues yet and does not play tactically

Imam - Average - is coachable, but results have to improve to be in the next league

Babar - top class - will get better..should be prepared as long term captaincy option to bring that excellence mindset

Haris - Good player but didn't get enough chances

Hafeez - average - looks excellent while batting, in fact its a joy to watch him - however results speak for themselves , is not consistent enough- probably has to do with his mindset - you cannot coach consistency

Sarfaraz - average - tactically average captain - too slow in scoring - however no other decent captaincy option at present

Amir - top class - needs to incorporate additional variation and add to wicket taking ability

Malik - average - time is up- same as hafeez is inconsistent

wahab -above average - but time is up

shadab - above average

Shinwari - top quality prospect
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Rellu_Katta said:
stop crying again and again ... the crying wont make anything better... just makes u a cry baby ...

how was newzeland any better than pak? like for like, they were much worse than us.. luck and fielding was on their side... rest, a little sensible person can see we were better...

not to say we didnt have weakness but we were the 3rd best team hands down..

and really ... ur continious crying abt everything is becoming monotonus to say the least
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A "little sensible person" can see that this Pakistan team stinks of mediocrity. It is ranked 6th while New Zealand is 3rd, and it came into the World Cup with a 13 match losing streak. You cannot expect such a deeply incompetent team to win enough games to qualify for the semi-finals. We paid a price for our lack of discipline which is reflected in our ranking.

New Zealand played weak teams in the beginning, but they produced boring but efficient performances that gave them breathing space later in the tournament. Since they are not a circus team like Pakistan, they didn't have a complete meltdown like we did against West Indies and it butchered our NRR, and neither did they have a disastrous performance against a minnow like we did vs Afghanistan.

The difference between New Zealand and Pakistan is that they were professional and we weren't, and that is why they are 3rd and we are 6th. Depends on what happens in the dead-rubber against Bangladesh, we can either finish the 5th or 6th best team of the tournament, which is exactly on par with our current ranking.
 
aloo paratha said:
Oof, a whole lot:

-Shambolic fielding

-Carrying two 35+ year old batsmen to play in your middle order/ not grooming a batsmen for the middle order in the 4 years we had.

-Not playing Haris for the whole tournament

-Expecting Sarfraz to play at 6 and still be a useful batsmen

-Not grooming a specialist spinner

-Imam playing like a snail

-Fakhar and Babar not being able to carry our batting, this was expected, nobody scores every innings

-Hasan Ali

-Lack of game awareness; Attempting to pull a ball 1 foot outside leg stump, taking a single to expose your #11 for a whole over, running down the pitch and trying to hit a six when the run rate is under control
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Agreed with everything. :19:

The performances of Fakhar, Hasan & Shadab highlight that we cannot fast track players directly from PSL. Even thou I genuinely believe they are of international quality, specially Shadab but without doing the hard yards at our FC cricket they are found out. Need to send atleast Hasan & Shadab back to domestic cricket for few months, let them do the hard yards.
 
After our horrendous form coming into the world cup, I think we did much better than expected. The win against NZ and Wahab's defiance against AUS and AFG is the highlight of the WC for me. Love his passion and never say die attitude.
 
Rellu_Katta said:
Apart from Aus and India, I think we played better cricket than everyone in in this tournament ... take that 1 bad day , against WI, out and useless waste of skin players "malik , asif ali and Hassan Ali" out, we could have won the game against Aus too...

We were farrrrr better than Newzeland and took pressure much better than England ...

There is MASSSSIVE room for improvement , but apart from the "experienced" hands, the rest of the bunch should stay ...

Get rid of Malik , Haffez and Sarfraz, keep the rest, Wahab stays for short while, get in a few performing youngsters and the core is strong
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Couldn't agree more, Pak totally bossed this WC.
 
barah_admi said:
The team right now is in a far better position than at the start of the tournament and with it looking likely that both Hafeez and Malik may be dropped from now on, it seems a new and exciting middle order beckons with the likes of Asif Ali, Abid Ali, M. Rizwan and co.
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You serious bro? I only get jitters with his batting, where is the excitement? He is a class A hack and should be dropped for good. Not even a T20 player, only good for PSL
 
Chokli said:
Not taking a page out of Misbah's book and batting 50 overs like Mohali 2011.

If we tuk tuked our way to 220 odd versus West Indies, we would have been in a much better position.
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As above.
 
There were some issues, but not glaring ones. Fielding of course is the biggest culprit but in my opinion what really doomed our campaign was the reluctance to bat first after toss..
We used this failed strategy against Aus and Ind and I think those were the biggest nails in the coffin.
While it was obvious the winning trick is bat first and put 300+ on the board, and all teams were utilizing is, we seemed to be playing the World Cup in an alternate dimension.

To me that was the biggest failure point. Our strategy and failure to develop awareness of a successful formula when other teams caught on fairly quickly.
 
Needed more similarities with the 1992 world cup,now its time to start looking at similarities for the 2023 world cup.
 
1. Fielding let the team down.

2. Hasan Ali was expected to be a trump card and win matches for Pak. But his form didn't help.

3. Shoaib Malik flopped.

4. Pakistan tried using Asif Ali as a finisher in 2 matches. Didn't work. Add his fielding also.

Also a lot of things like my previous posters mentioned.
 
Mamoon said:
The World Cup was a culmination of the circus cricket that we have played in the last two years.

We were blanked 5-0 in New Zealand, we were thoroughly embarrassed in the Asia Cup and we went into the World Cup with a 13 match losing streak.

What did people expect? This mediocre team was not going to perform miracles and play like a top team overnight.

Success is a process and you have to be properly prepared to achieve long-term success and consistency.

We don’t respect the game. We believe in miracles and magic.
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Mamoon's posts are annoying as hell, but this guy says the right thing!
 
The manner in which we won against NZ & AFG was really special, I'll have good memories of this WC. Even thou we topped the group and reached semis for 2011, that team lacked spine. I'd rate this performance better than WC 2011.
 
A few positives -

Take Hafeez and Malik out and our average age is 23, include them and we’re still the third youngest side. A good core of players to build from?

Babar's already done more than Kholi did in his first WC, match winning knock under immense pressure can only do him good going forward

Shaheen, first WC under his belt and looks a different bowler to a year ago

Batsmen look much better against pace bowling then they did last World Cup

Beat England, NZ and South Africa which no on here predicted pre tournament

Got India that scared that they lost so we get eliminated

And we still have a small chance of getting through...
 
Just look at our FTP to know how well the current PCB administration is planning for the next World Cup.
 
QuickCrick said:
A few positives -

Take Hafeez and Malik out and our average age is 23, include them and we’re still the third youngest side. A good core of players to build from?

Babar's already done more than Kholi did in his first WC, match winning knock under immense pressure can only do him good going forward

Shaheen, first WC under his belt and looks a different bowler to a year ago

Batsmen look much better against pace bowling then they did last World Cup

Beat England, NZ and South Africa which no on here predicted pre tournament

Got India that scared that they lost so we get eliminated

And we still have a small chance of getting through...
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Also, we have the best fans. I’ve been lucky enough to go to every game(apart from India) and our fans never stopped. The loudest, proudest support the time with sooo much energy. All this without alcohol!
 
1) A leader that doesn't lead from the front with the bat and is tactically weak.
2) Carrying Hafeez and Malik due to Pakistan's age old inability to retire seniors.
3) Hasan Ali.
4) Atrocious new ball bowling bar Amir.
5) Investing in two average spinners.

I'd add fielding but that's been the case since 1975 WC.
 
Played better than last world cup and team looked more settled than the previous time too. We have a few batsman and bowlers we can build upon so things look better than the pre-world cup.

With all that I have written above the current team is mediocre and unsettled. We don't have a fixed strong XI we can field every game most of the players are an inconsistent, and only consistent thing in the whole team is poor fitness and horrible fielding.

Nothing else went wrong result is much better than I expected well-played boys.
 
Our captain is a nothing player and has never won us a game, so tell me how can he inspire other players around him?

Yes, Fakhar can't play spin, but tell me how many times a good ball took his wicket?

Even till date, seniors have connections and find a way back in playing 11. Ridiculous!

We can't find a decent bat, but still keep Haris sohail on bench?

Just in 12 months, Hasan Ali went from number 1 to number 27 just because he did not respect the game and success went to his head.

Amir is too good a talent, but never likes to work hard. His physique is still the same. He should learn something from Mitchell Johnson, who at the age of 32, went back to gym/nets and worked extremely hard to become a very special bowler.

Our system is a joke!!
 
Not that much actually, we got some good wins, one bad loss v windies. Otherwise its down to luck, of all games the sri lanka one was rained off, and the qualification rule not being decided on victory against team on same points but NRR went against too. Overall a good world cup, minor things could have taken us into the semis.
 
Lets see

Pak vs WI - based on form, this was always 50 50. WI won. EXPECTED 1 points
pak vs Eng - Pak shouldnt have won based on form, but did. BONUS 2 points
pak vs SL - was a 50 50 match. was abandoned. EXPECTED 1 point
pak vs Aus - Pak expected to lose this match. they lost. EXPECTED 1 point
Pak vs Ind - Pak expected to lose this match. they lost. EXPECTED 1 point
Pak vs SA - based on form. Supposed to be 50 50. Pak Won. BONUS 2 points
Pak vs NZ - based on form, Pak should have lost. Pak Won. Bonus 2 Points
Pak vs AFG - Pak expected to win, Pak 1. EXPECTED 1 point


EXPECTATION on start of tournament: 8
ACTUAL by near end of tournament: 11

we did better than expected. we overperformed based on the 12-0 Losing ODI form
 
I think the ‘automatic selection’ openers were the biggest reason for Pak’s failure.

If we compare their performance to the openers of SF qualifiers we may see the difference

Aus:
Finch 2 100s 3 50s
Warner 2 100s 3 50s

Ind:
Rohit 4 100s 1 50

Eng:
Roy 1 100 3 50s
Bairstow 2 100s 2 50s

Pak
Imam: 0 100s 1 50
Fakhar: 0 100s 1 50
 
If there is one lesson the team management and administrators should learn from this WC campaign is that the main batsmen can't be batting with strike rates of less than 85-90 especially if they have survived 20/25 balls.

On the one hand we talk about scores of 300+ being needed but on the other hand we have players like Imam, Fakhar etc who just waste too many balls.

The openers role is to see off the new ball, agreed, but now there is less time afforded to settle down.
 
That match against Australia. We shouldn't have been chasing that much in the first place but for awful fielding, thanks Asif Ali and Shoaib Malik. And even with that target, we had that game in control when Imam and Hafeez were batting, but then we collapsed.
 
I was hurt in the Australian game. Was so disappointed at the way Hafeez threw his wicket away to Finch's full toss when we looked in control. Had Hafeez batted on we really could have won that match and would have helped us squeeze into the final 4. Overall we weren't terrible in the world cup apart from the West Indies game. Had our fielding been better and we didn't have as many soft dismissals, we really could have progressed further.
 
Pakistan aren't good enough, it's simple.

To be good enough to make semis, it shouldn't be about how well you can play when you get it right, it should be about being able to win consistently.

Pakistan need to learn to be consistent if they expect to do well in the future.
 
Panic selections, Junaid Khan booted out before given the chance to rekindle his new ball partnership with Amir which served us so well in the Champions Trophy.

Players like Shinwari and Rizwan should have been selected in the squad on merit but instead we select Malik and 18 year Husnain who is far too raw for a World cup tournament.
 
The team played at the level most of us expected. And Bar the terrible performances against the Windies and Ind they played quite well, and with the bit luck they might have even made the SF.

In bigger scheme of things, this obsession with experienced​ players never brings any rewards as the guys given the chance to be the experienced​ are generally useless. The spinners were also useless under pressure and couldn't spin the ball, in particular Imad was awful with the ball and Shadab wasn't much better.
 
Thing is the majority, if not all of the fans on here predicted the end result of this tournament and how far we'd go. It's not at all surprising.
 
We were in fact very unlucky not to qualify for the semi finals considerign we were on theback of a 13 match losing streak.

Fielding is definetly an issue and those dropped catches agaisnt Australia cost us, Asif Ali though has lost his daughter so clearly a lot on his mind so we shouldnt be too harsh on him but I feel he was rushed into the tournament straight after when he should have been given time to clear his head, so that is selectors fault.

And also the rain played a part, we are very unlucky to lose a point to Sri Lanka, that could have changed the whole dynamics of the semi-final. And of course NZ benefitting fron the rain against India, India would have trumped them.
 
Malik mainly, Windies game and SL washout. They lost that Windies game because the tubby captain was talking about India 10 games before the match-up. Had the idiot actually kept the team focused on the next game up, they wouldn't be in this position.
 
Absolutely brainless and clueless most of the time was team Pakistan, and hence New Zealand who has been playing like a minnow in this WC still makes it to top 4.
 
Batting Wise:

-->> Good starts which were missing in most of the games

-->> Sarfaraz Batting position he should come at no. 4

-->> Hafeez was out of form and his batting number should've been 6

-->> Haris stayed out of them team

Bowling wise -->>

-->> Hasan Ali's lack of form

-->> Clearly we lacked a proper spinner to partner Shadab Khan

Fielding Wise:

-->> Nothing to discuss as it was pathetic most of the times in this whole World Cup

Conclusion:

-->> We definitely need a lot of changes in our domestic structure at times I feel we do not have proper Cricketing Sense.

For example:

-->> In India's game we won the toss and we bowled in my opinion in such pressure games we need to back our batting and tell the openers to negotiate the new ball and then score runs it wasn't a green mamba there.

-->> Another example is we never cared about our NRR after losing games and everything. It's a World Cup these things should be in your head all the time.

-->> Fitness should be inherited from the start in our domestic structure otherwise we'll never be able to compete with best teams in the world.
 
I'm not going to lose perspective here and will say that I feel that this team did put up a decent show in the WC but were woefully out of luck.

Yes, we started off slow with that game against Windies but outside of that, beating SA and 2 semi finalists is no small feat. We did not have any rub of the green at all with the SL washout and then Eng, in very unusual circumstances including winning the toss, winning both their must win games. If we had half the luck NZ had, we'd be in the semis and this debate wouldn't even happen. We need to understand that we barely missed out on qualification.

I'm gutted that we missed out on a semi final spot and in no way feel that we should settle for such a campaign. However, we need to understand that you need a little bit of luck in such tournaments which unfortunately completely alluded us this time around.
 
Only 3 losses out of 9 ( assuming we beat bang)
Nobody can argue with that, given what half of pp was expecting.
A decent tournament if we finish 5th. NZ just got lucky with their India point. We have beaten 2 of the semi finalists too
Shame that fakhar didn't win one big game on his own and imam also could have scored a few more.
Everything else was as expected . I e nothing from malik
Hasan was poor too.
 
Most posters are saying we didn’t deserve a spot and yes to a certain degree I accept it but I think based on the level of skill and cricket we played once we got some sense knocked into us (abandoning the idea of chasing, etc) we certainly deserved a spot.

Our team didn’t play well initially, we had some freeloaders for sure and some bad selection choices, yes.

But as a team now, with these issues worked out, we did start looking like world beaters. I am not a fan of Sarfaraz’s bulging gut, but I hope he gets in shape and stays as captain. I hope we finally say adieu to malik and Hafeez and Introduce young blood for the future. Wahab played like a champion but he is highly unlikely to play in 2023. We need to blood an additional quick bowler as well.

Mostly, this team looked the part to me. I am sorry it didn’t pan out. I hope they take these lessons learned forward.
 
Stewie said:
Most posters are saying we didn’t deserve a spot and yes to a certain degree I accept it but I think based on the level of skill and cricket we played once we got some sense knocked into us (abandoning the idea of chasing, etc) we certainly deserved a spot.

Our team didn’t play well initially, we had some freeloaders for sure and some bad selection choices, yes.

But as a team now, with these issues worked out, we did start looking like world beaters. I am not a fan of Sarfaraz’s bulging gut, but I hope he gets in shape and stays as captain. I hope we finally say adieu to malik and Hafeez and Introduce young blood for the future. Wahab played like a champion but he is highly unlikely to play in 2023. We need to blood an additional quick bowler as well.

Mostly, this team looked the part to me. I am sorry it didn’t pan out. I hope they take these lessons learned forward.
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100% agreed.
 
This unpredictability/incosistency tag is hurting our cricket. We need to build a team that doesn't rely on raw talent and what mood the players are in but on strategy, discipline and merit.
 
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