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So what went wrong?

Many match-winners. Some of the best players in the tournament with bat and ball.

However there were also some flops like Maxwell.

What went wrong?
 
Nothing went wrong, England over last few years have been the best side and they brought their A game. Simple as that.
 
Nothing. People were overrating them because of the lazy cliches that are associated with Australian cricket because of their historic exploits.
 
It is not like we could pick one moment where they lost the match lol England dominated them for 100 overs. What went wrong? England was too good.
 
England were destined to win this World Cup. They have put on hard work for 4 years and worked really hard for it. Australia sticker to their own moto whereas England started a trend. We may see 500 in the finals now
 
Mamoon said:
Nothing. People were overrating them because of the lazy cliches that are associated with Australian cricket because of their historic exploits.
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Hazelwood should have been in WC sqauad? he did well in CT2017.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
England were destined to win this World Cup. They have put on hard work for 4 years and worked really hard for it. Australia sticker to their own moto whereas England started a trend. We may see 500 in the finals now
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Statistically NZ is the best bowling unit in this world cup.
 
My sources tell me there was grouping in team
rest of team did not want warner and smith to play
players took oath on bottle of foster's that they will not involve smith and warner in ball tampering plans
juniors players and explayers not associated with team felt that presence of langer and ponting was intimidating the dressing room
the favoritism for glenn maxwell undermined team unity
captain was watching family movie with his wife and daughter the day before the game.
Brad Hodge claimed if he is allowed to coach he need just two weeks to fix everything.
 
Their bowling lacked a potent third seamer.

Starc is too wayward, Cummins too one-dimensional.

Also, playing Lyon instead of Zampa was criminal.
 
As per an esteemed poster who doesn't care about the world cup and believes it's a gully mohalla tournament and ashes is the real cricket, Australia didn't even play their best team as they did not play the Atul Sharma of Australian faster bowlers Mr. James Pattintson and the best opener since SRT Mr. Bancroft.

So basically Australia didn't even try and let England win :)
 
They were not overrated. They finished 2nd in group stage and beat England as well. Also crushed NZ in group stage.

Things went wrong because they did not take their last game seriously against RSA. Had they won, they would’ve faced NZ in semi instead of England.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
England were destined to win this World Cup. They have put on hard work for 4 years and worked really hard for it. Australia sticker to their own moto whereas England started a trend. We may see 500 in the finals now
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They should thank Bangladesh. I think Naser Hussein did one time.
 
It went wrong for them the moment they lost to South Africa. They ended up playing the wrong semi-final. Even India would have done better here. Just a lazy performance on a flat pitch
 
They didn't score enough runs, simple. 100 more then we've got a match.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
India has the best bowling attack. The amount of swing Bumrah and Bhuvi got is nothing compared to the Kiwis. Guptill’s 14 ball 1 is gold now :yk
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No NZ followed by England had the best bowling this WC. Kuldeep and Chahal were not effective this WC which negated the Indian attack.
 
Jhye Richardson getting injured before tournament

Also picking useless Handscomb and Kane Richardson instead of Wade or Stanlake
 
Too reliant on Finch and Warner to fire. Players like Stoinis and Maxwell didn't contribute enough for them to challenge a team like England
 
From the outside, it looks like Warner and Smith's return upset the team balance, though the team overall obviously improved. But they had vulnerabilities that could be exploited (such as a weakish middle-order for the SF).

If Smith and Warner had been available sooner, they may have been able to settle with a proper batting lineup.

Stoinis and Maxwell don't look like top quality players.
 
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This team wasn't deserving of a world cup, it was apparent from the start. They still did better than I expected only because of Mitchell Starc. Middle order was nonexistent, bowling was mediocre apart from Starc. They could have very easily lost their first 3 of 4.
 
Stoninis and Maxwell let them down.

This was the team they needed

Finch
Warner
Smith
Khawaja
Maxwell
Turner
Carey
Starc
Hazlewood
Lyon
Cummins
 
Stoinis and Maxwell needed to support the main batsmen, but a bit like the Indian middle-order they didn't do enough.

Smith should have batted at number 3 all tournament too.
 
Stonis isn’t good enough. Hazelwood and Handscomb should have been in the squad.

Today they just lost to the better team though.
 
Stoinis and Maxwell had a horrible world cup. Still can't understand why did they drop Faulkner and Mitch Marsh.

Cummins was a disappointment. They clearly missed Hazlewood.

Handscomb was brought in too late.
 
Nothing went wrong - they played to their ability and got beaten by a better side on the day. It's not as though they have Gilchrist, Ponting, the Waughs, McGrath and Warne now.
 
Weakest link was Maxwell. They should've picked Handscomb or Travis Head instead of him.

Khawaja's injury was catastrophic. He has been a very important batsman for them and his injury was a blow.

Apart from Starc, no other bowler had any real venom.

In the end, better team went to final. Aussies lost to a superior team.
 
England bowlers bowled to the conditions. They used a lot of cutters, slower deliveries to dry up the runs and make it difficult for the aussies who love the ball to come on to the bat to score freely. On the other hand Starc and Cummins kept racing in bowling at 88-92 mph and allowed the English opening pair to score runs briskly.

A very one dimensional bowling attack and this time the batting failed to bail them out.
 
Aussies batting line up is similar to indias that they rely too heavily on top 3 and rest are mediocre!
If any of the top 3 fail, then aussies are in trouble, just like india!
But india has a strong bowling line up, the aussies were relying mostly on starc!
Not picking hazlewood was on the same dumb level as pak picking malik!!!
 
They overachieved in the WC

Finch is a sitting duck when the ball is moving around(england in the group matched bowled too short to him).
Stonis and Maxwell are not ODIs standard
Don't expect Handscomb do anything in the first WC game, he looked so nervous.

Only three batsmen in the team(Khawaja injured)and one world class bowler, don't expect miracles.
 
Aus had a good wc. Maxwell and Stoinis need to be booted out. Not selecting Hazlewood was criminal. Instead they went with spray gun Coulter-Nile (Sami of Aussies).

Surprised Zampa was not given matches.
 
BDfanforever said:
No NZ followed by England had the best bowling this WC. Kuldeep and Chahal were not effective this WC which negated the Indian attack.
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Agreed. Bhuvi is out of form. Only Bumrah and Shami were good. kulCha barely did anything significant in this WC.

I would say NZ has the best bowling attack in this WC.
 
Too dependent on top 3 :vk2

Not much quality in the rest of the team. Starc is the only standout bowler.
 
Australia had a very, very bad game.

Probably completely misread the pitch too.

However, Australia made the semis on merit. It was just one of those days when England were perfect and Australia were imperfect.

A perfect England will beat all current teams 10 out of 10 times. However, Australia weren't at the races anyway.

The gap between the two teams today does not reflect the actual gap between them. It was just too one sided - which is not how the group games went.
 
Aussies could've beaten South Africa and faced NZ (easier team). They can't blame anyone but themselves.
 
Stoinis and Maxwell were just liabilities, while their spinners (Zampa and Lyon), were quite underwhelming. I think if they didn't have this issue of having so many top order batsmen (Warner, Finchy, Smith, Khawaja, Wade etc) their lineup wouldn't be as weak. This led to them relying on Carey far too much if Finch and Warner didn't fire on the day.
 
Savak said:
England bowlers bowled to the conditions. They used a lot of cutters, slower deliveries to dry up the runs and make it difficult for the aussies who love the ball to come on to the bat to score freely. On the other hand Starc and Cummins kept racing in bowling at 88-92 mph and allowed the English opening pair to score runs briskly.

A very one dimensional bowling attack and this time the batting failed to bail them out.
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Due to the Aussie batting failure, no one is talking about this. England treated Starc and co like nobodies. Absolutely murdered 150kph+ deliveries. Damn. Some batting.
 
Australia's misery is same as India. Over-reliant on top 3 with shaky middle order. Alex Carey was in fine form the whole tourney which was added bonus.

Also no outright wicket-taker except Starc who just had the best ever run for a pacer in WC.

Ultimately, the English team is just too damn strong in home conditions. They have a bevy of swing bowlers and stacked hard-hitting lineup. Australia will be disappointed at the result but considering all their weaknesses, they have over-achieved this WC.
 
Khawaja should have opened all the way and one of Warner/Finch should have dropped to no.3 I think.
 
Definitely overachieved, but we should be crediting Australia for going so well with an average team.

It shows how important mental strength, fielding and fitness are and always will be in cricket.

Despite currently being poor man for man, the Aussies are always up there in tournaments.

Pakistan need to somehow learn from this.
 
Pete Rose said:
My sources tell me there was grouping in team
rest of team did not want warner and smith to play
players took oath on bottle of foster's that they will not involve smith and warner in ball tampering plans
juniors players and explayers not associated with team felt that presence of langer and ponting was intimidating the dressing room
the favoritism for glenn maxwell undermined team unity
captain was watching family movie with his wife and daughter the day before the game.
Brad Hodge claimed if he is allowed to coach he need just two weeks to fix everything.
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Hahaha
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Statistically NZ is the best bowling unit in this world cup.
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Well certain Warne like bowlers could not take the pitch out of equation and now that England are playing on wickets which suit their strengths (Home advantage) they won the games and are in the final.
 
Nothing went wrong! both teams had similar strengths and England were better man to man in ODI cricket.
 
Saj said:
So what went wrong?

Many match-winners. Some of the best players in the tournament with bat and ball.

However there were also some flops like Maxwell.

What went wrong?
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Same as India, they had a bad day and key batsmen (Finch/warner) failed and weak middle order was exposed.
 
Seemed like a four man batting lineup - Warner, Finch, Smith and Carey. Not much support elsewhere.
 
What went wrong? Things were just going unexpectedly right for them for too long.

Dropping Khwaja for Handscombe was a terrible decision IMO
 
Maxwell and stoinis added nothing with the bat. Otherwise they did very well in this tournament. England are just too strong a side for the likes of India and Australia to beat . Without moeen, there are simply no weaknesses in this side.
 
They got lucky with a few matches to even qualify for the semis.. Even v Pakistan only if there were was some sensible batting and no brain **** by Sarfi we would've won.
 
Australian cricket doesn't have much depth. I see a strong core of Warner and Smith in the batting, and Hazlewood and Cummins in bowling. Lyon is decent in tests only, while Starc is erratic in every format.

There are numerous weak links in the side. Stoinis can't bat or bowl, Finch needs to have a line put through his name regardless of what his overall stats say, and we have too many bog stock middle order plodders in the Handscomb and Khawaja mold.

It was a mistake playing Handscomb over Wade in a team that lacks firepower. You can blame politics for that.

I'm amazed Australia came this close to winning the world cup with such an average team tbh. As others have said, this Aussie team overachieved.
 
Not the strongest Australian squad yet people still go on about how brilliant their domestic structure is.
 
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